“…I don’t believe that issuing threats against anyone is a good idea…”

Antrim Sinn Fein councillor, Annemarie Logue, has been warned by the PSNI that loyalists intend on shooting her. She was also warned that loyalists had intended on “carrying out an action” against her on a specified night last week.
DUP MLA and Antrim councillor, Trevor Clarke, thinks he knows why. Apparently, the Sinn Fein councillor’s “provocative language” was responsible, “no doubt motivating such actions.”
The ‘offending’ language allegation refers to criticism of a ratepayer-funded loyalist 11th Night bonfire which had a ‘KAT’ banner on it, as well as a ratepayer-funded kiddies bonfire in Antrim which culminated in a good ol’ flag burning.
And this on the day that First Minister Robinson claimed that “the Unionist community needs to be convinced by the republican leadership that the IRA is out of business for good.”
What chance that the DUP would end its equivocal relationship with loyalist paramilitarism any time soon?

  • mac

    “What chance that the DUP would end its equivocal relationship with loyalist paramilitarism any time soon?”

    Good question. Don’t hold your breath.

  • KAT? What’s that? Keep Antrim Tidy?

  • What chance that the DUP would end its equivocal relationship with loyalist paramilitarism any time soon?

    0%.

  • USA

    Thanks for posting on this issue Chris. I don’t know why Sinn Fein have been so tolerant of the Loyalist weapons issue. The DUP etc have done nothing to remove Loyalist weaponry from the mix.

    I think this Assembly idea may be heading for the rocks.

  • TAFKABO

    I don’t often agree with you Chris but this time you’re spot on the mark.

  • cynic

    I agree that more needs to be done on the Loyalist weapons issue, I also dont support, vote for or like the DUP, but what would that “equivocal relationship with loyalist paramilitarism” be?

    Did its senior members sit on a Loyalist Army Council? Did they direct and organise or authorise murder, bombings and disappearances? Under their own party rules, was the entire party ever subordinate to that Army Council?

    In your desperate efforts to show equivalence Chris, perhaps you will enlighten us. And some evidence would be useful.

  • Dec

    In your desperate efforts to show equivalence Chris, perhaps you will enlighten us. And some evidence would be useful.

    Just one example…

  • Dec
  • ??

    unionists, unlike nationalists never supported and certainly never voted for terrorists. if loyalist or republican terror groups exist then it is the job of the police to sort them out. if sf want to be partners in power they have to getrid of their murderous past

  • Dec

    unionists, unlike nationalists never supported and certainly never voted for terrorists.

    That would explain why the UDA used to be able to mobilise 30,000 members in Belfast alone and why 60,000 people, including a former First Minister and the current leader of the UUP amongst other ‘constitutional’ politicians, turned up at a Vanguard rally to hear Bill Craig proclaim “it may be our job to liquidate the enemy”.

  • fair_deal

    Ill-thought and inappropriate comments. Condemn it call for it to be withdrawn. Any other issues left to another day and another debate.

  • cynic

    Dec

    What a reliable source and what a photo.

    1 very 1970’s – nice to see you are up to date

    2 AK47???? the Loyalists were never that well equipped

    3 forgive me but it has a very photoshopped look.

    Is that really the best you can do?

  • pacemaker

    Cynic

    It is from 1984. Here is the pacemaker description

    “Peter Robinson of the DUP pictured in the Israeli Border Area with AK47 rifles while on a fact finding mission to the Middle East”
    http://pacemaker.web-spaced.net/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=86

    In this particular instance nothing to do with loyalist paramilitarism.

  • Mayoman

    Looks to me he may have been trying them out for later importation. Isn’t that what he’s accused of doing? With about the same level of evidence as GA being in the IRA? (and I have no doubt that GA was in the IRA!).

  • billie-Joe Remarkable

    DUP MLA and Antrim councillor, Trevor Clarke, thinks he knows why. Apparently, the Sinn Fein councillor’s “provocative language” was responsible, “no doubt motivating such actions.”

    Straight out of the ‘woman asked to be raped by wearing a short skirt’ school of reasoning.

  • Bikers

    Chris will you not fuck off and stop posting this drivel. Aren’t there a few post boxes you can go and vandalise?

  • steve48

    This is the same Cllr Clarke who only a few weeks previously accused Council staff of running a “Nazi-style local Government” and of “holding a gun to head of workers”. When given a chance to retract he stood by his comments and stated he would apologise to no-one.

  • Dec

    Cynic

    Is that really the best you can do?

    Nah, I could have gone for Clontibret, Ulster Resistance, the Billy Wright/William McCrea concert, the “why give up now just when you’ve got them on the run”-remark on the eve of the Loyalist ‘ceasefire’ etc etc

  • Neil

    Billie Joe, bang on there.

    Bikers, thanks for that insightful comment. Allow me to retort. Why don’t you “fuck off”? Due to the fact that you can’t make an argument against the point, preferring to object to the fact that Chris is Nationalist and expressing (shock horror) a nationalist perspective on a perfectly newsworthy item.

  • Lenny

    So Clarke is not only failing to condemn the threat, he’s actually making an excuse for it. Unionists are blind when it comes to DUP support for loyalist terrorists. Double standards apply. Just how much blood are the DUP allowed on their hands, eh?

  • wasting time

    “Firstly, I would like to say that I thought we had moved away from this sort of thing, and I don’t believe that issuing threats against anyone is a good idea,” he said.
    “But some of the things she has come out with over the summer months have been quite provocative, and has no doubt motivated such actions against her.

    Firstly, I would like to say that I thought we had moved away from this sort of thing, and I don’t believe that issuing threats against anyone is a good idea,BUT I believe that every murdered unionist politician had it coming to them, because they spoke out in a free and democratic society.

    Now just rephrasing that slightly, but in keeping with the same logic, how do our unionist posters feel? You can’t condemn violence and then excuse it with a ‘but’. You are either for or against. It pretty much sums up the crazy unionist mindset for me. “We totally condemn violence BUT sometimes it’s necessary”. The only people you are fooling are yourselves. Certainly not anyone else on this planet.

    Do unionists not find it ironic, that here we have a member of a British institution being threatened by those who claim to be ‘loyal’?

  • cynic

    I am going to be sensible here and not feed the trolls anymore.They are happy in the integrity of their own quarrel, though who with, they are never sure – just so long as it is one of themuns. And when they lose the argument they can always resort to abuse.

    What a sad introverted sectarian rabble.

    Never mind boys. Your day will come. Yeah.

  • Dec

    Run along cynic

    You asked the question, you got the answer, too bad you didn’t like it.

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    Cynic

    Your failure to condemn this shocking turn of events, your launch into whataboutery and finally your uncalled for attacks are an utter disgrace.

    Splitting hairs about equivalence when no-one has made such a claim. The vast majority of Unionists can’t bring themselves to understand/accept that their politicians were at the very least tacitly supporting paramilitary groups. Some we know played more active roles, and don’t get me started about rabble-rousing and exhortation to murder. As Loyalist paramilitaries will tell you they were too often led up the hill, oh and the colour of wallpaper might have been mentioned.

    Wise up and accept the evidence of your eyes.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘unionists, unlike nationalists never supported and certainly never voted for terrorists.’

    Ahh, you don’t get off that easy old chum. The crown forces since partition of Ireland (and well before) have been the terrorists of the nationalist/irish/green side of our community. Just because they wore uniform and were in reciept of pay does not put them on any kind of moral pedestal. The crown forces were unionisms armed wing, with loyalists being able to be manipulated and discarded with a “nothing to do with us” smirk from the establishment. No amount of flourescent paint will get rid of this from unionisms supposed little halo !

  • cynic

    “BLAH BLAH…… don’t get me started ……..whataboutery ……BLAH BLAH”

    Well, if I had supported 40 years of murder and mayhem as some here still want to do, I might have trouble sleeping at night too. I would also want to pass as much blame as possible to others and to label any cogent arguments from ‘the other side’ as simple whataboutery. After all, those blood stains are so hard to get out….

    But I digress. I wont feed the trolls any more. This is nasty sectarian little thread and I am not playing your game.

    Bye bye. Sweet dreams.

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    >>Well, if I had supported 40 years of murder and mayhem as some here still want to do< < What are you on about you nutter, more silly whataboutery. >>I would also want to pass as much blame as possible to others and to label any cogent arguments from ‘the other side’ as simple whataboutery.<< You have altogether too high opinion of yourself. What cogent arguments? And you did and still are engaging in idiotic whataboutery. I could care less if you want to play hear no evil see no evil speak no evil for the rest of your natural. Just don't expect the rest of us to allow the whitewash to pass without throwing the muck it deserves. Who knows maybe you are one of those who at the very least supported the paramilitaries like many of your politicians. Oh and you have now consistently failed to condemn the Unionists involved in threatening the lady concerned, and those absolving them of blame. Well done!

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “[i]KAT? What’s that? Keep Antrim Tidy?2[/i]

    thanks for that. didn’t know what it meant.

  • Driftwood

    Asshole DUP councillor/MLA makes stupid/ignorant remark. Embarrassing, but no real shock here.
    I’ve voted for people of similar ignorance in the past. So i’ll apologise for myself and countless others who just cringe at the depths to which some unionist (usually, but not always, DUP) representatives go down to. Gutter politics.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘..didn’t know what it meant.’

    No doubt a common occurence with you UMH.

  • USA

    Many people in uniform also engaged in murder, intimidation, sectarianism etc. Indeed these same forces were often used to enforce legislation that was sectarian in its nature, consequently these forces often acted in a sectarian manner.
    You cannot hide behind a uniform and claim you did not engage in terrorism. This would ligitimize Saddam Hussains gassing of the Kurds. Just because he was able to pass laws, intimidate and murder people does not mean he did not mean his terrorism was lawful to the international community.
    I know unionists have great difficulty understanding why many in the wider world viewed their regieme with disdain, but that is how it was viewed and this legacy is one unionism should be working to dispose of. Perhaps after the passage of time Unionists will be able to become more honest about its role in the conflict. Honest with the wider world but more importantly honest with itself.