“The community is totally opposed to this event..”

Echoes of St James’? The BBC report an “attack on the home of of a community worker” in the Dunclug estate in Ballymena after the “removal of bonfire material” intended to mark the anniversary of internment. Sinn Féin MLA Daithí McKay, and SF Cllr Pádraig Mc Shane, claim to have been assaulted in the area this morning and blame “criminal and anti social elements who are using this bonfire as a cover for other activities”, adding “The community is totally opposed to this event”. And the Ballymena Times have interviewed the “community worker”, Barry Gordon – who as Chairman of the Dunclug Partnership Group welcomed the 2006 announcement of a £4.75 million funding package for the estate – and describe last night’s events as “believed to be dissident-republican led”. The report also notes

A large number of police officers and a helicopter were deployed to help defuse the tense standoff at the home of Barry Gordon which lasted from 11.00pm until almost 2.00am.

Adds Interestingly, although the Sinn Féin press statement identifies him as a councillor, in the BBC Newsline video report Pádraig McShane – who actually bears the brunt of the assault after Daithí McKay is initially punched – is only identified as a “community worker” and, as in the Ballymena Times report, as Chairman of the Dunclug Residents Association. But wasn’t he elected to Moyle District Council, to represent the Glens area, in a by-election in December last year after SF’s Marie McKeegan resigned her seat? Anyway, with the assailant clearly visible in the footage, I trust that Mr McKay and Mr McShane will be pressing charges? Update A 21-year-old Ballymena man has been charged with assault, disorderly behaviour and affray.And as Newton Emerson argued previously

Because community implies grassroots legitimacy it is an ideal disguise for such top-down exercises in social control. Being so deliberately ill-defined it is also a tricky disguise to unmask. But unmask it we must if we are not to be told who we are, what we are, how to think and where to think it by everyone anxious to group us under their own agendas. A fair society, as St Augustine observed, must comprise one community of law.

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  • ggn

    I would be of the opinion that Mr Symlie is anything but an Irish revolutionary, Marx’s views come to mind…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpenproletariat

    O’ I have just seen waffler’s post – agree with some of that obviously.

    I see an old firm obsessed, anglicised, wkd drinking illmannered thug who is of one culture and one political outlook with the likes of Johnny Adair.

    I agree with Waffler, these people will ultimately find themselves in common cause with the dregs of loyalism, if they have not already.

  • Northsider

    Looking at Smiley and McIlwaine’s Bebo pages, one must ask: is there a gay vibe going on there?

  • jone

    According to today’s Newsletter Barry Gordon says he’s resigning from the Dunclug partnership and leaving the estate.

    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/Ballymena-couple-flee-home.4351529.jp

  • ggn

    jone,

    Thanks for the link, shocking. Truely shocking.

    Sinn Fein (&SDLP;) should mobise in support of Mr Gordon and demonstrate to these Neds that their behaviour is simply beyond the pale.

  • R.A.L.

    Bring back the I.R.A. and put a bit of manners into these hooding drugs,since the ra stopped the hoods have taken over and sullied the names of irish republicans,

  • Garibaldy

    Yes bring back the people who did Bloody Firday. Clearly a morally superior force.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “Bring back the I.R.A. and put a bit of manners into these hooding drugs”

    LOL. Same Republicans, different era!

  • Fact not Fiction

    I think you will find that the grant for 4.5 million was for to be spent on the upgrading of the local comunity in general.

    The idea is to stop dissent festering in the area, obviously the Government had decided that the area is a potential trouble spot.

    So clearly it is the likes of Mr.Smiley who got the grant for the area and not the community group on it’s own merit otherwise the money would have been secured many years ago!

    I also believe that this is only the beginning of direct action against British Government sponsered Sinn Fein gangsters and their hangers on (former druggies, death-riders, and local alco’s)

    Without question there will now be many more physical attacks on prominent SF members who try to impose their will on a simmering community, I don’t agree with violence but I have to laugh at the S.F muppets on this site patting each other on the back for “brilliant posts” “exellent point” “on the mark” while looking for sympathy from the communities that they have beaten or threatened into submission.

    People should remember that this New Pacifist S.F once planned to assassinate John Hume because they believed he stood in their way.

  • jone

    That’s some eccentric reasoning going on there Fact not Fiction.

    I’m sure that like me you’ve read the Dunclug Action Plan in detail alongside the implementation update.

    Where you interpret the policy aim as preventing the festering of dissent the more orthodox view is that it was attempting to prevent the social fabric of the area coming any more pressure. And you’ll of course know that the factors stressing the social fabric are more varied than dickheads like Smiley hooding/ playing soldiers, as the Action Plan states:

    “The community in Dunclug is divided in a number of ways. The estate has seen a rapid change in its population make up in the past five years, with a significant outward movement of Protestants. This has contributed to clashes between Protestants and Catholics in the estate and generally poor community relations. In addition, the estate is home to comparatively large proportions of Travellers, single-parent households and migrant workers, mostly from Eastern Europe. The impact of this complex mix of issues can be bluntly described as a breakdown in the social fabric of the community. ”

    What is this simmering community ready to lash out at Sinn Fein? Chris Smiley, Ciaran McIlwaine, Magill, Anthony Lee, Darren Donnelly, Paul O’Neill and various other hangers-on and their semi retarded girlfriends? Is that it? Is that the community of which you speak?

  • Harry Flashman

    So some councillors who live in an area courageously try to maintain community relations by standing up to bar room “Republicans” fired up on cheap booze and sectarianism. The councillors face physical assault, intimidation and attacks on their homes and families.

    Therefore I feel obliged to ask Sinn Fein supporters, is it not time to say in all humility to the SDLP one simple word;

    “Sorry”

    If not, why not?

  • steve

    Why should nationalists apologize to bend over suposed republicans

    code word: england, how droll

  • jone

    Steve, you’re not making any sense.

  • So some councillors who live in an area courageously try to maintain community relations by standing up to bar room “Republicans” fired up on cheap booze and sectarianism. The councillors face physical assault, intimidation and attacks on their homes and families.

    Therefore I feel obliged to ask Sinn Fein supporters, is it not time to say in all humility to the SDLP one simple word;

    “Sorry”

    If not, why not?

    Posted by Harry Flashman

    Ouch!

  • waffler

    The area in general appears to have no republican command structure in place which will leave the vacum for various people to declare their alegiance to whatever or whoever suits the occasion of the day.
    This is no doubt as result of the long term tactic of the ra leadership combined with whitehall in stripping the republican movement of all accetts required by any takers prepared to carry on the origional struggle.
    This whole affair will be turned into another case full of so called peace loving spin fein victims.
    As a result many moderate people with no particular political alignment will no doubt fall in behind the so called victims.With the outcome of spin fein securing more support in the area.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    Sinn Féin MLA Daithí McKay, and SF Cllr Pádraig Mc Shane, claim to have been assaulted in the area this morning and blame “criminal and anti social elements who are using this bonfire as a cover for other activities………………………………….

    Rats will turn on each other if they don’t get their own way…

  • Waffler

    Maybe they should try to get marti (double talker) to organise a wee petition on behalf of whitehall as thats his new tactic.
    Suit him better as the great church goer he makes himself out to be to show just a little bit of cristian compassion and give back the bodies.
    While he`s at it he might even come clean to all the families of the inocent murdered by his and whitehalls death squad sent to their graves with the added tag of being informers.
    SHAME ON U MARTI

  • bona fide

    Would everyone please stop stereotyping residents of this estate – it’s very offensive. The vast majority of people here are good people, have a good relationship with their neighbours and get on well. Sure, there are difficulties, there are intolerant bastards who refuse to integrate with ‘outsiders’, but that happens everywhere. The fact is that there are a small bunch of wankers causing terror on the estate and anyone who is brave enough (cause it’s not easy – expect to have all your windows smashed in, your car destroyed, and possibly a petrol bomb through your letter box) to stand up to these mindless thugs, deserves support. So just to stick to the issue, which isn’t, what Sinn Fein have done in the past, it’s what they’re doing now (which actually to my mind is a bloody side issue).

    This is to all of you who regard yourselves as “Real Republicans”, (and I don’t think, [as so many other posters have pointed out] you have a fecking clue what that badge really means [you didn’t do too well in the old history or politics exams, did you?? – yeah, thought not]) that what Sinn Fein did or didn’t do in the past is totally irrelvant to me at the minute. What I care about is that this bonfire and all that comes with it, doesn’t take place here, on my dorstep.
    Jaysus, I’d be the first to condem and commemorate internment, but seriously, is this the most respectful way to go about it? Wise up.

    As others have alluded to, I think it would work out well if all you so called ‘republicans’ who are in favour of this ‘celebration’ (smiley’s ‘i’m a pure dick sham’ words’) then, here, go and meet up with yout loyalist 11th July counterparts and have a BLAST). Leave everyone else out of it (and hopefully do the same to each other while you’re at it – do us all a favour).

  • Pete Baker

    Rapunsel

    “You’ve gone down in my estimation big time with this. the fact that a volunteer member of a residents association in Dunclug is an elected representative for another councillor [sic] is not relevant and I’m not surprised that BBC didn’t raise it. I’d expect residents association would not be too happy if their chair blurred both roles.”

    I guess I’ll just have to live with your diminished estimation of me.

    But since some commenters seem to have missed the point..

    The fact that the Chairman of the Dunclug Residents Association is actually an elected representative for a different area on a different Council – having given his home address in that other area – is an issue.

    Not least since, in 2005, he failed to get elected in the area in which he is the Chairman of a Residents Association.

    Why the BBC failed to note that fact in their report is another issue.

  • bona fide

    Apologies, i said, “Would everyone stop….”, when clearly the over whelming majority of posters on this thread agree that this bonfire is nothing but hate filled, bozzed up harrasment by a few really thick people. Obviously I wasn’t directing my anger at any of you. Actually, I’d like to take this opportunity to thank you all for your suppport to the long suffering residents of this estate.

  • bona fide

    On another point, as someone who spends a lot of time reading the blogs and comments on slugger (but who rarely posts) I think it’s worth noting (of course, i may be way off the mark) that very few P/L/U visitors have contributed to this ‘discussion’ – wonder why??!! the ususal contributors must be dying to get involved but possibly feel they wouldn’t have a leg to stand on, per chance?

    Another blog in itself, me thinks…

    Interesting. Umm…

  • Bemused

    No problemo bona fide. If you ever get a chance to inflict severe bodily pain on any of these ‘real’ dunclug republican/spide/turd merchants then please give them an extra long, hard and painful boot up the arse for me.

  • Peter Brown

    I presume that P/L/Us from outside Ballymena haven’t a clue whats going on (although that has never been a barrier before to posting on this or many other threads!!!) while those of us who are local to this have sympathy with the residents but not with Mckay and McShane for the reasons I outlined in my previous posts….which frankly haven’t been responded to effectively by anyone..

  • crf

    peter are you a hood by any chance?what about paddy murry?

  • Pete,
    Fairly straight forward. Joined Residents Assoc. three years ago at the request of locals.
    While everyone has some form of political viewpoint the assoc members leave theirs at the door and engage in meetings for the betterment of everyone in this mixed housing estate.
    Was only elected to Moyle in December 2007. Do you suggest that I should have walked away from the challenges we face in Dunclug just because of an election result somewhere else.

    The BBC introduced myself as Chairperson of the assoc. at my request as I am not an elected rep for the area. I believe that I have to respect the mandate of elected reps in the area. I also believe you should respect the mandate given to myself, by the people of Dunclug, when I was elected Chairperson.

  • nectar

    No Padraig you have broken the rules you have to be a resident of dunclug to be a Chairman of said organisation how do you expect others to obey rules when you have such a flagrant disregard for them.

    Before you argue otherwise everybody in the Dunclug partnership knows your exact circumstances but dont have the balls to challenge you.

  • paddy

    Padraig was democratically elected to the chairperson role, nectar. Why don’t you stand for election and we’ll see how you get on.

  • nectar

    Paddy under the rules of the asc. he shouldnt have been able to stand because he wasnt a resident of Dunclug!

  • paddy

    ‘Paddy under the rules of the asc. he shouldnt have been able to stand because he wasnt a resident of Dunclug!’

    Fair enough-so in your world that justifies beating the crap out of him and intimidating him from the area. Will you stand as his replacement, Nectar?

  • nectar

    Paddy dont be a clown did i say for a minute he deserved to be hit!

    No I wont stand to the Chairman because i dont come from Dunclug and i respect the rules of the asc.

  • paddy

    nectar, try to refrain from playing the man-I know it’s alien territory for you but a bit of decorum wouldn’t go amiss. Do you unreservedly condemn the attack on McShane?

  • nectar

    Of course i do paddy and dont play games with me either we all know he shouldnt be the chairman in fact why dont you come out and admit he shouldnt either afterall rules are rules ever for sf…

  • Nectar,
    Constitution clearly states that any one from outside the area can be a member of the Residents Assoc. I did’nt write the Constitution. It was in place before my time. I also lived in Dunclug at the time of my appointment in 2005. I only got home at weekends.

  • pfhl

    What is this simmering community ready to lash out at Sinn Fein? Chris Smiley, Ciaran McIlwaine, Magill, Anthony Lee, Darren Donnelly, Paul O’Neill and various other hangers-on and their semi retarded girlfriends? Is that it? Is that the community of which you speak?
    Posted by jone on Aug 02, 2008 @ 03:10 PM

    Was Paul O’ Neill involved in this? I know I have spoke to him several times regarding politics and he never came across as a supporter of dissidents. I don’t think anybody that assosiates with those responsible should also be tarred. Many people in the area know each other from the fact they have grown up in close proximity to eack other or they may play for some of the same saturday morning league teams. If paul was involved I stand corrected but i must say i will be suprised.

  • R.A.L.

    Nectar,smiley is from Cloughmills yt i dont see you saying anything about him speaking for wanting a bonfire in Dunclug,Padraig was voted in by the people smiley wasnt yet he got to speak.

  • Rapunsel

    Pete

    The fact that the Chairman of the Dunclug Residents Association is actually an elected representative for a different area on a different Council – having given his home address in that other area – is an issue.

    Fair point and might be an issue ( albeit a different issue)

    One thing I note here is that Mr McShane has been willing to come on and post as himself and his answers seem fair enough to me.

    I know some people involved with community groups in Dunclug , it’s been clear to me that what Padraig McShane is saying about the groups involving a diversity of opinion for the betterment of the area is true.

    Now what’s going to be done to prevent Barry Gordon and his wife having to leave their home of 36 years

  • pfhl

    The flats beside where the bonfire was supposed to be have been set alight, I don’t know if it has appeared on the news yet. I can see from my window though so it’s true. I suspect a possible link.

  • DES-RES

    [play the ball – edited moderator]
    As for the vermin that attacked you McShane they are unwanted dirt but they don’t deals behind resisents backs.

  • R.A.L.

    I have to addmit that mr mc shane has the balls to come on here and speak for himself and i respect that,why dosnt the hoods come on and give us there point.I know the resisdents wanted the bonfire last year and things looked good for the ruc/psni agreed to stay out of the area while the bonfire took place so that the youths wouldnt start a riot,when the ruc/psni didnt show up last year smiley and his gang of misfits then attacked residents and sinn fein so this year the resisdents said they dont want the bonfire anymore so its simple.Smiley and his friends should head over to Ballykeel on the eleventh night to see a bonfire for im sure like himself they would be CELEBRATING internment.

  • Pete Baker

    Pádraig

    That was very obliging of the BBC. Although I’d suggest that the BBC’s subsequent reports indicate a recognition on their part of an initial error in judgement.

    But surely you mean the mandate given to yourself by the members of the Residents Association, rather than “the people of Dunclug”?

    And I don’t doubt that it’s not against the rules of the association’s constitution for non-residents to be members of those organisations – it would be restrictive otherwise..

    I can see a case for non-residents to be allowed associated membership with no, or limited, voting rights at meetings.

    The point though is that, in my view, such situations damage the credibility of self-declared Residents Associations. Even to the point of defeating the objective.

    Or perhaps a change of name of such organisations would be in order?

  • DES-RES,

    I do not agree that the person who attacked me is vermin. There are to many complex issues that would have to be taken into consideration to describe him as such. What I will say is that those who attacked Mr. Gordons house could be aptly described in that manner.

    Barry Gordons house was attacked because it was easy to do so, (cowardly) and because of his position within the community. It was also attacked because Barry was a Protestant, (sectarian). Another reason for the attack was that it was dark.

    Des Res,
    A community group who votes with one voice is fairly powerful. That was the case following last years bonfire when those involved attacked a womans car and attacked the homeless flats.
    The res assoc decided to do away with the bonfire and replace it with a community festival.
    Painstaking work went in to organising a community cohesion week that had something in it for all ages. Now even that looks like being pulled because we cannot guarantee the saftey of those taking part.

  • R.A.L.

    Pete you seem very concerned about the spokesperson for Dunclug being from there,are youfrom there? maybe you should consider taking on the job and save mr.mc shane from doing it,also you still havent said anything about smiley speaking on behalf of so called republicans from that area,after all is he not from Cloughmills?

  • Pete,
    The Residents of Dunclug determine who sits on the assoc at the agm. They appoint the officer board and the assoc at every agm, hence the mandate from the people of Dunclug.

    I take all your points on board in relation to sitting on the assoc. All very valid.

    I think its down to what any individual brings to any organisation.

  • Sharky

    I think we’re getting away from the main problem, the 4-5 scumbags who are holding this estate to ransom, all this nonsense about whether someone comes from the estate or not pales in comparison.
    These scumbags will be rioting all week and I hope that the council continues to take away th bonfire material, they’re using republicanism as an excuse to get high/full and attack houses, shame on every one of them and I would like to see Smylie and McIlwaine come on this forum, use their name and defend their stance, do they have the guts to do so??? Of course not.

  • R.A.L.

    Well said sharky,i am from the place and am disgusted with these wanto bes and i wish to fuck R.S.F or the 32 would send down a spokesperson to deny these hoods.Tonight they have buent down the flats and are running around the place thinking they own it.I overheard them saying next friday they want all there members to wear the same jackets so they can know each other!!!!!!!!my god what are they up to,the people dont want it yet these half a dozen hoods want it so they are imposing it on the people.Any right minded republican P.S.F. or R.S.F. would disown them and i hope to god the Provos do come down and clean up this site.Theres no point talking anymore for we are past it,its time for action for thats all they belive in so i say fuck it send in the shooters and take these wankers out.

  • Dave

    “I would like to see Smylie and McIlwaine come on this forum, use their name and defend their stance”

    iz u 4 reel? doz u wanz teh 4m dumbed down wit textspeek lik it waz a bebo page?

  • Sharky

    Its about high time that everyone in Dunclug stood up against these thugs, too many people have kept their head down here for far too long leaving Barry Gordon and others on their own.

  • Shem

    Some more faces of Ballymena republicanism, according to some of the comments McIlwaine got the sack after the news report:

    Ciaran McIlwaine
    lol got the sack there

    A squad of snouts arrived on2 a job lookin me an saddam…

    STILL,,,, WORTH EVERY LAST NINUITE SON lol R.I.R.A 32CSM
    3 days ago

    http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=6673486437

    http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=1939453848

    http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=798358630

  • Garibaldy

    Glad to see that naked sectarianism is alive and well. Unbelieveable.

  • marie

    Id like to know why Councillor McShane is on a residents committee for an estate which is an hour away from where he is actually resident. Doesn’t make much sense to me.

  • paddy

    ‘Id like to know why Councillor McShane is on a residents committee for an estate which is an hour away from where he is actually resident. Doesn’t make much sense to me’

    Marie,
    Maybe it’s because he was elected by the committee which was elected by the people of the area-it’s called democracy so right enough, it probably doesn’t make much sense to you.

  • Marie

    Paddy

    to be on a residents committe you need to be a resident. Domocracy? More like Undemocratic means of election. And do you normally insult people you do not know?

  • paddy

    ‘Domocracy?’ What’s that? Told you it was alien territory for you, Marie….

  • Marie

    Paddy….typo have you never had that problem or are you perfect?

  • paddy

    ‘Paddy….typo have you never had that problem or are you perfect? ‘

    Err…,enjoyed your witty repartee and incisive social commentary, Mawee, but that’s enough excitement for one night.

    Now run off and throw a few more tyres on the boney before you get wired into the WKD-Night, night or nite nite as you might say.

  • Marie

    Paddy awat and catch yerself on

  • pfhl

    Marie,

    I am disturbed that the thing you found wrong with this story was cllr mcShane was not from Dunclug.

  • Marie

    I’ve found lots wrong with this story not only the fact that McShane is not from Dunclug. Read back over the pages and see the comments Paddy

  • Gareth

    Another thing that we have learned from this thread (and especially from the bebo profiles) is that various Ballymena schools need to redouble their efforts in teaching their pupils the very basics of literacy.

  • austin

    Really, Gareth, Marie has now learnt the alphabet at school,, A,B,C,.. W,K,D,-easy, innit?

  • R.A.L.

    Marie,where is smiley from!!!!!!!!!!!!Cloughmills if i can remember,also are you with him to “CELEBRATE” internment?catch yourselfs on you were all in nappies when the war was on and the ceasefire called,call yourself Republicans your an embarassment to the men and women who fought and died for Ireland and belive you me i done my time as well.I dont suppose there for realeasing a ballad about the brave men o Ballymena lol.

  • slug

    Dunclug is actually a fairly small estate and its possible that this is a generational thing, as time goes on the people causing the problem will grow old and the estate return to normal. Very sad at the moment and as someone who lives locally I feel very sorry for the people who live there who have to suffer from anti-social elements bringing down their community. Some of the good people have moved out.

  • Garibaldy
  • nectar

    R.A.L i bet you were a real hero oh you send shivers down my spine.

  • Marie

    R.A.I.

    catch yourselfs on you were all in nappies when the war was on and the ceasefire called,call yourself Republicans your an embarassment to the men and women who fought and died for Ireland and belive you me i done my time as well.

    In nappies? I was when the Officials went on ceasfire lol lol lol Is there no “code of silence” R.A.I.? I mind when you couldn’t talk to family about what your role was and now you can post it all over the internet? lol lol lol the ones that slabber about what they did are usually the ones that ran and hid when something was asked of them away and catch yersefl on

  • R.A.L.

    At least we kept it quite til the war was over marie not post it on our bebo pages,tell me do you look up to these clowns?do you really call them Republicans?Do you know real Republicans that “CELEBRATE” internment?
    Nectar i was only explaining my point i didnt class myself a hero but i belived in what i was doing,ask smiley and co if they belive,thanks.

  • John

    Nectar after reading all the posts it seems to me that you justify the attacks on sf are you oneof the boys involved by any chance and if so why not use your name.

  • Marie

    RAI

    At least we kept it quite til the war was over marie not post it on our bebo pages,tell me do you look up to these clowns?do you really call them Republicans?Do you know real Republicans that “CELEBRATE” internment?

    Jaysis is Ireland free??? Did I miss that one? A very wise man once said, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace. Just because some people surrendered to the British in exchange for the queen’s shilling doesn’t mean the war is over. I look up to no one, and look down on no one either. I have better things to do than partake in your slander of people who dont’ agree with psf policy. You see, I worry about myself and not about what other people are doing or saying. I speak for myself and don’t follow anyone like a sheep. Thats all I’m seeing on here. There are many people I would refuse to call Republican for what they have done to the POWs, and to lads like Paul Quinn, Robert McCartney, Andy Kearney, Michael Magee, etc etc etc. I don’t think I need to go on with the long list do I?

  • pfhl

    Marie,

    I’ve found lots wrong with this story not only the fact that McShane is not from Dunclug. Read back over the pages and see the comments Paddy
    Posted by Marie on Aug 04, 2008 @ 08:56 PM

    I looked back over previous pages and did not notice a single constructive comment from yourself. Any time you have spoke it is to attack sinn fein. If you have had a read over this thread, I would ask you to answer the questions I put to other people who support this bonfire. What republican ideals does it promote? How does it promote irish unification? Lastly, How does it promote the idea of fraternity? Before you answer this question, I have never voted sinn fein and do not like the party. I am just warning you before you try to answer me by criticising sf, if thats your plan don’t bother replying. I have read it from previous posters.

    You state in your last post the war is not over. What war is exactly going on? What military targets have been hit? what significant economic targets have been hit? Under what pressure have the british crown forces been put?

  • John

    Marie have to agree with the above post,what threat are you to the British?what have you done?do you not think that the likes of them boys in Ballymena could ever hold a candle to the likes of tone or sands,for christ sake open your eyes these people are low life hoods,did you check there bebo pages?smiley whom i know lived in Cloughmills and run around all his life there with a Rangers shirt on and went to god knows how many twelth parades,they openly sell and boost about selling drugs and they are well known to be seen around Portrush on a saturday night and freely mingle with there so called loyalist enemys from across town in Ballykeel.If they want the people on there side why did they not agree to what the resisdents wanted and that was a candle lit vigil and an open air mass,the reason they didnt want the bonfire this year was as you know that last year it was a drunken drug related night and they turned on there own as the ruc/psni stayed out of the area.Tell me if they were great Republicans then why did not want to remember victims of internment by having a vigil and a mass???????cant misbehave as easey,Marie you are no Republican and i know you are a hanger on to these lads,fuck sake them boys freeing Ireland what a joke,maybe smiley can ask his brother in the british army for some guns,T.A.L.

  • Marie

    aye youse know exactly who I am and who I’m a ‘hanger on to’

    Lads, wise up and away and learn some manners before claiming sole rights to being a Republican. Saying I’m no Republican lol lol lol lol lol lol sure youse don’t even know who I am. You lot are some joke

  • pfhl

    Marie how about you answer my questions? Do not avoid the subject. How are their actions promoting republican ideals? You silence shows you up for what you are. A very uneducated bigot. Please prove me wrong.

  • circles

    Methinks Marie has the whiff of the troll.

  • Marie

    pfhl

    I am not on the PC 24/7. Did I say their actions were promoting Republicanism? A bigot??? lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

    circles

    aye you’d know all about trolls

  • pfhl

    pfhl

    I am not on the PC 24/7. Did I say their actions were promoting Republicanism? A bigot??? lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

    Posted by Marie on Aug 05, 2008 @ 07:23 PM

    If you don’t think this bonfire is republican why are you defending it? Or did you not see what the thread was about? When you keep writing lol lol lol, you mock yourself. Will you tell me how the war is still going? You did say that. Or will you avoid the question by writing ‘lol’? Please put a bit of substance in your answer.

    Go on, prove my assumptions of you wrong. Or give up posting please

  • waffler

    At least we know now that the spinners got it wrong year after year
    Were we really celebrating internment ?
    Me the fool thinking we were commemorating it.

  • Comrade Stalin

    I’m glad to see that one of the little shits was arrested and, hopefully, will now do time.

    It’s frightening that this small minority can effectively hold the community to ransom and actually put people out of their houses. It’s time that the police moved in and got medieval on the fuckers. If it were me, I’d have the cops swoop in, identify those involved, and have the Housing Executive or whoever else scatter them to the four corners of the State. If we can’t do that, we need legislation that allows us to do it.

  • Observer

    Here did anyone notice Smiley’s top when he was being interviewed, it says “Forward thinking” LOL!!!

  • John

    waffler your name says it all,it was your heroes from dunclug that wanted to “CELEBRATE” internment,i take it you are one of them or maybe even your mi5 agent that recruited them Paddy Murray.

  • JB

    [see commenting policy – edited moderator]

  • waffler

    Dear John
    Please keep ur hair on.
    My hero`s are in the ground. Most likely some of them set up by the likes of paddy murray.
    As for the name, do you not like it.
    Suggestions welcome.