Lest they forget…

EDWIN Poots has launched a furious attack on the protesters against power-sharing at a gospel rally the other night, accusing them of hypocrisy by associating with a convicted terrorist, (Pastor) Cliffford Peeples. Could this possibly be the same Cliffford Peeples that many DUP politicians opposed to power-sharing (including at least one current minister) quite happily cosied up to on anti-Agreement platforms exactly 10 years ago? Umm, yes. How soon they forget.

  • Traditional_Unionist

    Listening to the DUP accusing others of hypocracy is hilarious

  • Blackmouth

    Gonzo

    Ten years ago Peoples wasn’t convicted of anything – in fact he was involved in a victims group and running a flower shop – the premise of your thread introduction – that DUP people shared platforms with him is in some way analogous to what happened at The Diamond – is therefore false.

    The key point is the flagrant hypocrisy of those who claim they want nothing to do with “terrorist-related politicians” happily interrupting a religous service by standing alongside a convicted terrorist shouting and heckling.

  • Mike C

    I read the Poots statement on the DUP website and frankly I thought it was pathetic. Setting aside the obvious and basic spelling error…. it’s “practising” not “practicing”….I really don’t see the point in such statements. The DUP are only making a rod for their own backs as its hands (if a Party has hands) are hardly clean in thi respect.

  • Traditional_Unionist

    The thing that is funny about all this is that the DUP used to do exactly what these protesters did. Indeed they did it in a far more vicious manner. But yet they see the need to attack the protesters who simply were taught to do what they are doing by guess who?……

  • BG / TU,
    I think the point is that the DUP have changed. They have finally realised that to make peace you actually have to deal with and talk to your enemies (fancy that, what a shocker!). The fact that they themselves were hypocritical in this respect in the past does not make some of these TUV-types any less hypocritical now.

    The point about when the DUP saw the light and how they manipulated the unionist electorate to destroy the UUP in the meantime is of course an interesting aside.

  • darth rumsfeld

    we await Plug’s condemnation of the Ould Croc for attempting to disrupt sundry Presbyterian general assemblies with bated breath…

    pathetic hypocrite, desperately fishing for a profile before the selection of their Euro candidate

  • 6countyprod

    Mike C

    I put your post through a spelling check, and I found it very interesting that one of your words was the only one that showed up as being misspelled, or should that be misspelt?

    Pots and kettles come to mind, although Poots obviously has more of a case for his spelling than you have for yours.

    (PS In case you can’t figures out your mistake, ‘thi’ is spelt with an ‘s’)

  • Blackmouth

    darth

    So Edwin Poots is being hypocritical for pointing out the fact that one TUV Councillor and several leading TUV acticists, including Walter Millar, Albert Steele and others were quite content to stand as part of a protest alongside a man with terrorist convictions. This, from the party that seeks the removal from government of “terroist-related politicians” – I can spot the hypocrites, even if you choose not to.

  • Mike C

    6countyprod

    dropping an “s” at the end of a post on a website is a completely different kettle of fish to poor spelling on an official press release from an MLA and former Minister…it would surely have gone through several hands before making its way onto the official party website. Misspelling is a greater crime than a typographical error (that cannot be altered once posted)…especially given the publishing circumstances.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Pastor Cliffford Peeples has apologised for his past, McGuinness still hasn’t appoligised. Recently he said he could have killed every British soldier in L’Derry while deputy first minister.

  • “McGuinness still hasn’t appoligised”

    Yeah, like that would mean anything to victims. Not defending him but at least he’s honest about it.

  • “Recently he said he could have killed every British soldier in L’Derry while deputy first minister”
    Wow, was MMcG dep first minister round the time of Bloody Sunday in Derry? Must have missed that one. You need to check the context of that quote.

  • interested

    The TUV clearly want to dish out abuse aplenty, but don’t like it when their double standards are highlighted. I hear that a certain TUV Cllr hasn’t liked his refusal to condemn terrorism and intimidation against an innocent person highlighted….

    They’re the self proclaimed moral guardians but have some seriously dubious double standards when it somes to “some terrorists bad, other terrorists good”.

    Ulsters my homeland
    When exactly did Peoples apologise? And btw, does that mean you accept mere words now? Would words be acceptable from SF members if they uttered them? My my, yet more hypocrisy and double standards from people trying to justify cozying up to loyalist terrorists in a campaign against terrorists in government.

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    This little story serves to illustrate a wider point though. Unionists of all hue’s are quite happy to shout “Terrorists” at their opponents in Nationalism despite associating with, voting for or going to church with people with similarly dirty hands. Working class Loyalists are the big losers in the propaganda war, they may have done much of the dirty work but who incited them in the first place?, provided them with information?, gave them someplace to store their weapons? etc…………

    The days of Unionists pretending that they didn’t know are gone, the only ones claiming not to know are eedjits, liars and quite often both.

  • darth rumsfeld

    “So Edwin Poots is being hypocritical for pointing out the fact that one TUV Councillor and several leading TUV acticists, including Walter Millar, Albert Steele and others were quite content to stand as part of a protest alongside a man with terrorist convictions.”

    You got it. The DUP has a councillor in Larne who was a convicted member of the UVF-Bobby McKee,who paid his debt to society and is now an upright member of the community, and if I recall correctly it also had a office holder in North Antrim who had done time for terrorist offences. I take the point, and Peoples isn’t someone I’d choose to have a G & T with in the Reform Club, but the brass neck of Plug in raising this is breathtaking.

    And let’s not get sanctimonious about protesting at religious services either. I’m sure the Free Ps have a soft spot for Jenny Geddes!

  • Blackmouth

    darth

    Surely you can see the contradiction? A group of people that has spent the best part of a year now denigrating others for being in a four-party executive with “terrorist-related politicians” should have leading members standing happily alongside someone with terroist convictions to actively interrupt an act of religious worship.

    BTW, as you may have guessed from my pen-name, I am a Presbyterian. The worst the Free Ps did outside Church House was protest (something which I don’t personally agree with – though it was quite funny once as I was making my way in to the opening night of the GA, saying helloe to a raft of people I knew protesting outside!) – they never, EVER sought to prevent church services from actually happening, nor to my recollection did they ever shout down someone who was calling upon people to repent and embrace Christ as their Saviour.

  • This, from the party that seeks the removal from government of “terroist-related politicians” – I can spot the hypocrites, even if you choose not to.

    Now, blackmouth, don’t be silly. Everybody knows that on planet TUV, the words ‘terrorist’ and ‘fenian’ are essentially interchangeable.

  • Traditional_Unionist

    I think its quite amusing how people on here have exagrated what happened maybe they should read the report in the newsletter… http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/Parties-clash-over-gospel-rally.4273611.jp

    1 TUV counciller was present in a personal capacity and as the newsletter states there was no evidence that Peebles associated with ANY members of TUV

    but sure you lot continue to sensationalise it all. dont let the facts get in the way…

  • Blackmouth

    TU

    wriggle, wriggle!

    Are you seriously suggesting that Albert Steele, Walter Millar, Mel Lucas and others are not key movers and shakers inside the TUV?

  • interested

    Traditional_Unionist
    “1 TUV counciller(sic) was present in a personal capacity”

    You can’t be in a “personal capacity” when you pick and choose it. I’m sure that same distinction would be made by the TUV if it was them having a go at a DUP Councillor. You’d be better saying nothing than trotting out that weaselish sh*te.

    Yet again, the TUV are well ready to dish out the criticisms, but are utter hypocrites when they’re in line for some healthy and well-placed criticism.

    It all comes back to the fact that these people wuold prefer to shout, heckle and attack Ian Paisley much quicker than they’d do it to ‘Pastor’ Peoples – maybe they’re a bit scared of what someone with a conviction for transporting pipebombs would do to them were they to actually tackle him about his actions!!!

    They don’t mind a bit of terrorism, so long as its against people they dont like. In fairness Sammy Morse, they don’t mind terrorism which is either directed at fenians or DUP Councillors now given the silence from the TUV regarding the death threat on a DUP Cllr in Craigavon. No swift statement on Allister’s website about that one…..

    If even dissident republicans had been involved in sending smoeone a death threat, then I wonder how long before the teaboy in Allister’s office would have been dispatched to cobble together some ‘oul tripe attempting to link it to the Assembly and pouring forth holier than thou condemnation and pointing out that of course its all Paisley and Robinson’s fault….

  • Blackmouth

    interested

    Bang. On. The. Money.

  • Sam Flanagan

    Speaking of convicted terrorists. I notice none of the Unionist parties including the TUV are making much of a fuss about the Mark Haddock situation.

    Why do all the Unionist parties not unite in calling for a public inquiry into the Haddock scandal?

    Who knows where it might lead?

    The same applies to the Scappaticci case, why do none of the Unionist parties want to get to the bottom of what has been going on for the past 30 years?

    We all know why “Republicans” only pay lip service in wanting to “find the truth.”

  • Comrade Stalin

    This is hilarious. Of course there’s nothing surprising about unionists hanging about with paramilitaries, they’ve been doing it all through the ages, but it’s funnier now that the vast part of unionism has decided to wise up, and this rump continues to persist.

    You simply cannot turn up at a protest, with convicted terrorists present, and claim that they’re nothing to do with you.

  • Blackmouth

    Subject change for Flanagan!

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Blackmouth

    Ten years ago, the world and his mother knew who Peeples was. And I’m sure the DUP politicians present did. And if they didn’t, then I’m sure they noted that half the LVF and Orange Volunteers were at the front of the platform they were was perched on (although I do remember a certain Mr McKee from Larne was also onboard Darth).

    As for Free Ps never preventing church services, you obviously have never been to Harryville.

  • Sam Flanagan

    I just noticed on the BBC website, “The Irish parliament has passed an all-party motion calling on the British government to release security files on the Dublin and Monaghan bombings.”

    How can all these party`s unite on this issue?

    Yet the Unionist party`s cannot unite to look into the matter of state sponsored terrorism.

    Who really bombed Dublin? Was Kincora ever investigated fully? Did the British government authorise certain soldiers and civlians to murder both Protestants and Roman Catholics?

    What do you say blackmouth?

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    What a handle – ‘Clifford Peeples’…..What is it with folk up north with all these surnames for first names, etc….

    And I thought my handle was an exception. Meet the wee men from the wee country with bombastic and OTT handles that showbiz couldn’t even concoct!

    Quirky kinda stuff …….it’s great!

  • BenDover

    Comrade Stalin

    “You simply cannot turn up at a protest, with convicted terrorists present, and claim that they’re nothing to do with you.”

    As a general moral statement that can hardly work, otherwise everyone who went to the first Stop The War protest march in London would have to be judged to be fellow travelers of the BNP. That makes no presupposition about the specifics here but you can’t tar people who go on a protest just because xyz decides to turn up too, in general. There has to be more to it.

  • Comrade Stalin

    BenDover,

    There is a matter of scale here. Stop the War was a coalition of all kinds of organizations, the majority of them not nazis. This squalid little protest was something much simpler than that.

  • outsidegawkingin

    Interested

    ‘I hear that a certain TUV Cllr hasn’t liked his refusal to condemn terrorism and intimidation against an innocent person highlighted…. ‘

    Perhaps you need to read the facts, The TUV cllr in question stated quite clearly
    ‘ The people who did this have no place in society, I hope the PSNI pull out all the stops and catch them’

    It is completely pathetic that the DUP team in Craigavon could twist this. They then accused him of not been clear enough in his condemenation.

    They are using these attacks on an innocent man to try and tarnish innocent people. They are stooping to a similar level as those who carried out the attacks.

  • outsidegawkingin

    BLACKMOUTH
    ‘The worst the Free Ps did outside Church House was protest …… – they never, EVER sought to prevent church services from actually happening’

    WRONG WRONG WRONG.

    You display a lack of knowledge, or perhaps a selective amnesia regarding the facts, I have often heard the Rev P and Fosters tell the story of how they infiltrated a Presbyterian meeting in the 60’s and interupted proceedings because of the presence of a Scottish Ecumenical on the stage, in fact Rev John Wylie stood up on top of the chair and shouted ‘pope head’ at the speaker.

    Selective condemnation BLACKMOUTH