Fermanagh by election part 3

I have blogged this in the update to my other blog on Fermanagh but I thought it worth a blog in its own right. I have heard that the DUP are not going to run Thomas Hogg as their candidate in the Fermanagh council by election, though this is not yet confirmed. This despite his overwhelming endorsement Mr. Hogg received at the selection meeting (54 out of 74 votes).

If true this raises a number of questions: Why is Mr. Hogg not the candidate, has he decided to wait for another time to enter electoral politics or was the Fermanagh DUP branch overruled by the DUP leadership? Also since Bertie Kerr of the UUP objected to Mr. Hogg but indicated that he would have accepted a different DUP candidate for co-option: is it now too late to “de-object” and have the seat filled by a different DUP co-option?

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Turgon

    Unless they have already stated their position I will wager with the first replier £5 that the TUV will not stand. The loser makes a donation to Slugger.

    When is the date announced?

    P.S. Is there any connection between air trafic control system in Dublin and Slugger both not working at the same time – do they both run off the same PC?

  • fair_deal

    Turgon

    As with all by-elections the rumour mill kicks into over-drive, usually best to wait for people to actually meet and take decisions.

    The fact it is a by-election makes it a new dynamic that anyone with sense will take time to consider the best approach in a very tight race.

    There can be no de-objection. There will be a by-election.

    “indicated that he would have accepted a different DUP candidate for co-option”

    Belated justification rather than cause. This was not stated in advance.

  • jim

    god, what a story! i hear CNN are leading their bulletins with it and the New York Times is sending three reporters to follow up. But Slugger O’Toole scooped the world. How fantastic!

  • Half Pint

    The UUP party group on the council don’t appear to have supported the decision to challange co-option.

    Now we hear that Mr Hogg is not to run in the byelection.

    We also know that the DUP in Fermanagh do not appear to have a great deal of confidnece in the ablity of the other candidates – under 30% support combined.

    So – as the other Unionist parties appear to be at sixs and sevens the only sensible and fair thing to do is for both of them to stand aside and give the TUV a free run.

  • Emmanuel Goldstein

    Seems to me like Bertie Kerr might soon be proved right r.e. Hogg being an acceptable candidate.

  • wild turkey

    ‘P.S. Is there any connection between air trafic control system in Dublin and Slugger both not working at the same time – do they both run off the same PC? ‘

    Sammy, my thoughts also. I assumed the rubber bands, sorry elastics, broke or the squirels needed a rest.

    Turgon,

    not getting at you. but i am perplexed.

    Peoples decisions, for better or worse, are oft influenced by rumour and/or spin. Although you raise three questions in one sentence, in posts such as this would it not be possible to give a sense of from you ‘heard’ the rumour? Otherwise, as you say,

    ‘ As with all by-elections the rumour mill kicks into over-drive, usually best to wait for people to actually meet and take decisions. ‘

    PS Turgon, any views on Gemma running in Fermanagh? It would sure give a boost to Lakeland tourism. There is a joke here based on Das Boat but propriety prevents me diving to those depths.

  • Early Days

    Would we not be best to wait and see what the DUP actually say?

    Where are these rumours coming from?

  • Sam Flanagan

    There are some very humourous people on this thread and I do mean from BOTH sides of the community.

    If you want a real laugh check out Edwin Lundy`s latest statement on the Lundy (DUP) website.

    I called in to see Chin in the Union Jack shop which received so much FREE publicity in the news today. He says he will be selling Union Jacks on the same conditions at the 15th August.

    The only things he will not sell to be burnt are Glentoran shirts!

  • observer

    So – as the other Unionist parties appear to be at sixs and sevens the only sensible and fair thing to do is for both of them to stand aside and give the TUV a free run.

    LOL LOL LOL – Tell you what, if Your da, i mean Jim Allister will reaffirm his previous position that the only bar to SF in government is the removal of the army council then yes

  • Half Pint

    Observer,
    As I have told you before my father is not Jim Allister. Dispite what the DUP would like to believe suppot for TUV goes far beyond Jim’s immediate family.

    I also stand over my inital comment.

  • ronnie

    surely the key question in all of this is what will the UUP do? Those UUP members in Fermanagh who talked up a by-election before Monday, on this site, seem to have disappeared ie. fermanagh young unionist.

    where are all those big mouths now with their insight into UUP ‘thinking’?

  • Basil Brush

    Good point Ronnie Monday night in my view was a dark night for the UUP and if everyone inside the UUP group in council supported the co-option except cllr Kerr then surely the sensible thing for the UUP to do would be to stand aside.However a cynic might claim that the UUP might have told cllr Kerr to vote against the co-option to force a by-election and yet claim that the group supported the co-option it was only cllr Kerr who didnt support it thus testing the electorate and seeing what the public make of the current political climate.In my own view I feel that the UUP feels its support is on the up after Dromore.In my view this by-election will bring the UUP back to earth with a bang.

  • What’s a democracy?

    Thomas got to where he is (getting handed a council seat) by licking his way up the DUP. Not a particularly bad tactic. He has problems however outside the world of his political party, when it comes to getting people in real life to like him. It’s hardly suprising he run away from a by-election. It’s not a great sign of confidence of the prospects of the DUP.

  • Sam Flanagan

    This mornings Irish News is hinting Arlene Foster may stand.

  • fair_deal

    Please respect the names people choose and do not get into guessing games about identity.

  • Sam Flanagan

    What would really make it interesting is Ivan Foster standing as a candidate. He is retiring from the ministry quite soon.

    There would be much, much, much, weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth in Dundela Ave if that were to happen, wouldn`t there? lol

  • mags

    ooooohhh…ivan foster standing?? The good people of fermanagh will be rushing out to vote for that bastion of good sense and logic…

  • USA

    I also suspected that the UUP were happy to test the political pulse within Unionism and felt Fermanagh was an opportunity to take a look. They won’t be risking a seat of their own and may be able to embarass and / or weaken the DUP (however slightly), but the exercise may also point to other potential opportunities for the UUP should a large enough block of the Unionist electorate turn on the DUP.

  • Sam Flanagan

    Do you really think the UUP are that bright?

  • interested

    F_D
    “There can be no de-objection. There will be a by-election.”

    Technically speaking there doesn’t have to be a by-election. It happened before when one was forced at a Council, the party who had lost the Cllr knew they didn’t have a hope of winning the seat didn’t put forward a candidate and neither did any of the other parties so the only candidate who nominated was from the party who forced the election and was effectively co-opted at that point without an election being held.

    Therefore should the UUP back down/come to agreement with the DUP and the other parties were to maintain their acceptance of a co-option which they outlined at the Council meeting then its possible that there could be a single candidate nominated to the Electoral Office, and a costly election prevented.

    Technically possible – of course it ignores reality!

    Sam Flanagan
    “Do you really think the UUP are that bright?”

    Nope – doesn’t explain why your TUV mates are effectively getting into bed with them on an anti-DUP ticket at the moment though. An unholy alliance if i ever saw one….

  • interested

    Sam Flangan
    “There would be much, much, much, weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth in Dundela Ave if that were to happen, wouldn`t there? lol”

    Sorry I missed this comment in my first post.

    Ivan Foster would be an absolute gift for the DUP. Someone who’s even considered ‘a bit extreme’ within DUP circles is hardly going to provide the kind of image the TUV wanted to portray in Dromore.

    Frankly Morrison or Foster – bring em on!

  • Sam Flanagan

    Who is Frankly Morrison?