What difference does a year make?

Brian Feeney didn’t pull any punches yesterday (or today on Stormont Live) when he tagged Paisley’s legacy as the ‘nasty party’. In fact the party has been on a slow turn. Maurice Morrow’s mildly sentimental eulogy nevertheless contained some important grains of truth, not least in his assertion that “prior to Dr Paisley, unionism was led by the big-house unionists and landowners. Ian changed all that and provided a voice for the working class.” Will Robinson mark a change from Paisley’s leadership. The tone of his speech was certainly measured and full of liberal aspiration. Here’s how it translates into a TagCrowd:

created at TagCrowd.com

You can compare it with the tagcloud from Paisley’s speech from last year.

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  • PeaceandJustice

    Being nasty is something Brian Feeney knows a lot about. I’ve stopped reading his hate column.

  • Pancho’s Horse

    Paisley’s followers were fascists and most probably still are. Feeney only writes the truth and anybody over 40 will nod their old grey heads wisely in agreement.

  • Comrade Stalin

    PeaceAndJustice,

    You really are a slow learner. I stopped reading Feeney’s column about ten years ago. There’s only so much bile a person can take.

    Pancho:

    Feeney only writes the truth and anybody over 40 will nod their old grey heads wisely in agreement.

    Feeney said that the IRA robbed the Northern Bank. I imagine there are a hell of a lot of Sinn Fein supporters not nodding their heads wisely in agreement.

  • PeaceandJustice

    To Pancho’s Horse – I’m not on here to defend Paisley. A man who settled for many of the things he hounded other people for. Yet, his major partner in Government consists of leading members of Sinn Fein PIRA death squads. Fascist Feeney has a lot to say about Unionism and not much about Sinn Fein PIRA murder, torture and ethnic cleansing. The Pan-Nationalist Front seems to be still in existence.

  • flycatcher

    Interesting all the same that half of Paisley’s assembly team belong to the miniscule Free P sect.

  • Mick Fealty

    Anyone notice that the word ‘Unionist’ was missing from the list above? It’s replaced by ‘People’ as top word. Then comes Northern Ireland which sits on ten beside Work. Then Parties on 7.Support on 6. Executive and Forward on 5.

  • joeCanuck

    Paisley’s followers were fascists and most probably still are

    Takes man playing to a whole new level, Pancho.
    And funny, some of the unionist commenters here say the same thing about SF supporters.

  • WindsorRocker

    Mick,
    Maybe Peter didn’t mention “Unionist” because now that the DUP have sown up this process and got themselves some vetos, he doesn’t have to worry about that bit….. it’s safe….

  • WindsorRocker

    There is no doubt that the DUP has evolved…..

    And we can all look at the DUP and see the proportion of Free P’s in the senior ranks…..
    It is probably a product of the politico religious charisma that Paisley engendered that led to a lot of people following him into Church and Party….. Bit like all the trade union types being well up in the Labour party when it was founded as the trade unions were the founding fathers of Labour but nobody can say that the Trade Unions now govern Labour thinking even if a high proportion of it’s public representatives have trade union links.

  • Zzzzzz

    “Takes man playing to a whole new level, Pancho. ”

    Tis strange you should miss the posts on either side on that one Joe or does ‘man playing’ only happen again the home team?

  • Mick Fealty

    I would think so WR…

  • austin

    Joe’s opinion on ‘playing the man’ evidently depends on who’s being tackled.
    By way of an aside, are there any Free P’s on the newly-formed Ard Chomhairle of the TUV?

  • joeCanuck

    Zzzzzz

    You misunderstand me. The other posts were individual man playing which is bad enough but Pancho condemned a whole group. That’s what I meant by “a new level”.

  • Anyone notice that the word ‘Unionist’ was missing from the list above?

    11 “ireland”s and only 10 “northern”s in that tagcloud- there’s a rogue Ireland all on its ownio there somewhere!!

    Also “British”, “UK” conspicuous by their absence.

  • Greenflag

    windsorocker,

    ‘There is no doubt that the DUP has evolved…..’

    Not before time . Were Charles Darwin around he might even raise a smile .

  • percy

    Robinson knows “British” is a bad sell; far better to go for Ulstermen. Its great progress.
    Now the hard sell for a united ireland can begin in Autumn… assuming the next few weeks will sort out “outstanding matters”…
    futuring a bit, but peteb’s gone all quiet.

    You have to conclude, without malice, but with some schadenfreude that the old bakonian philosophy of
    ” You can’t have your pudding, unless you eat your meat”
    is well and truly sunk, and thank goodness fer that.
    Politics will always be above silly, tiresome definitons and endless repetitions.
    Some here are going to have to learn to put the cane away!

  • Walrus

    We now live in a time where history has made no logical argument for the present day, yet people from the generation before me have zealous faith that past events (ambiguously quoted from literature extracts, sooth-saying old shamens, and both in auto-bios) prevail in today’s assembly. Well, I have lived through the bad old days, and watched my school go up in pieces, hidden behind doors away from curtains during defusing operations, been a prisoner in my own house at the peril of tribal idiots who take a coach from 20miles away to pee on my turf, and much more. I would even defy any school to promote a political bias during voting seasons, with pictures of one tribal suit smiling with the numbers 1, 2 & 3 (brought to you today on Sesame Street) under their name. Do we rope them in young and hope that we see a little bit of “pride” at any expense growing within our offspring? An orange toilet seat, a symbol of drunk and disorderly behaviour, a balaclava, a symbol of the ‘brave’ freedom fighter, hiding behind his own identity? I know only one difference between a speculative reporter and the party he wishes to describe. My televsion licence fees. Why should I pay anyone to listen to the past, and why should I pay anyone policing taxes to hide from a riot? “Nasty party?” How about out-and-out indiscriminate “Nasty”? If I could sue my forefathers, I would put the proceeds to Thesaurauses in every school.

  • Dewi

    Tangential but:

    Hot off the press

  • joeCanuck

    Joe’s opinion on ‘playing the man’ evidently depends on who’s being tackled.

    Simply not true. Feel free to check my record.

    I don’t have a “home team”.

  • Ahem

    Other than a certain, understandable life peer’s chippiness about these things, what on earth is Morrow doing driveling, ‘prior to Dr Paisley, unionism was led by the big-house unionists and landowners. Ian changed all that and provided a voice for the working class’? Long, long decades after “Dr” [sic] Paisley started his bawling, faking, lying, sectarianism, bluster and all round b*llshit, Unionism wasn’t led by him. Delivering Unionism into his unworthy hands took the sinister ginger genius only one man could provide. If Maurice wants to praise anyone for handing the senile fool his momentary ascendancy, as it were, then turn to the Turtle.

  • LURIG

    Brian Feeney and Susan McKay are probably the two best political commentators in the North. They get to the real core and guts of Paisleyism and what drives his ‘form’ of politics. Feeney spent years opposite the DUP on Belfast City Council and witnessed that sectarian beast at first hand. He knows what he’s talking about and is astonished at Paisley’s sudden U-turn and conversion to the politics of compromise. He is quite correct, two years of positivity from ‘Big Ian’ certainly do not wipe out the 40 previous ones of division, bigotry and hatred. Many of us still remember vividly Divis Street in 1964, the mocking of Roman Catholic Church & The Eucharist at The Oxford Student Union; 1974; 1977; the City Hall speeches of 1985; The Third Force & firearm certificates on Ballymena hillsides; Ulster Resistance & Red Berets in the Ulster Hall; Drumcree etc. God will be his true judge.

  • circles

    The strange thing about all this is that I have a feeling both the Shinners and the DUPes are looking quite seriously to the future and left a lot of our fellow posters here behind clutching at straws at a little bit lost.
    The game has changed people – maybe its time the level of discussion here did too.

  • LURIG

    Circles,

    I agree totally but it is still very difficult for many people. We can’t dismiss them or tell them to ‘think about the bigger picture’ just like that. It’s the old cliche but there are raw open wounds that won’t disappear overnight. There are 100’s maybe 1000’s still tending graves on a very very lonely journey. They are living the conflict every day and bear the grief on their own. Furthermore this place STILL has a big sectarian problem so let’s not fool anyone that’s it all rosy in the garden. Of course look to the future but NEVER forget what’s gone before. That is a total disservice and insult to the victims and their families OR the hatred & bigotry that still exists.

  • Pancho’s Horse

    Indeed, Brian Feeney does now and again stab at Sinn Féin and this may not go down well. It does add a ring of truth to his remarks about the nasty party, however. We were always given the impression that ‘decent’ unionists were ashamed and embarassed by Paisley’s antics but as time unfolds one begins to wonder.The better class of Englishman is scandalised by the behaviour of ‘squaddies’ in places like Cyprus but will support and use them as he sees fit. So it has been with the garden centre brigade.

  • kensei

    Mick

    Anyone notice that the word ‘Unionist’ was missing from the list above? It’s replaced by ‘People’ as top word. Then comes Northern Ireland which sits on ten beside Work. Then Parties on 7.Support on 6. Executive and Forward on 5.

    He appeared to be wanted to pretend that we are all Unionists making reference to widespread support for the institutions and “divided community” (singular). It’s all about “working for all the people”, apparently, which as I pointed out on the other thread was a flat lie. There were several other nonsenses in there, my favourite being how he doesn’t anything good being on the sidelines (but wants London to set our tax).

    It wasn’t a bad speech on paper, but deary me, the man has not got the tone for oratory. It’s vaguely threatening and angry, even when the words are nice.

  • Sir Basil Rosemary

    Pancho,

    Isn’t your point also true of previously “constitutional” nationalists who now vote SF on account of their greater, apparent, effectiveness?

    Robinson seems to acknowledge that his support from garden centre protestant/unionist opinion is a loan, not a gift. He made much today of humility and acknowledged the rise and fall of parties.

    I also noticed his invitation to parties not in the executive to help with future planning. Was this the beginnings of an attempt to split remaining UUP support between himself and Alliance? Might that be of a theme with his (perhaps mischievous) unionist unity suggestions?

    If so Reg seems keen to help out with all his sulking about poor sportsmanship and his ugly obsession with the Irish Language Act.

  • Billy

    “PeaceandJustice”

    ‘Being nasty is something Brian Feeney knows a lot about. I’ve stopped reading his hate column’

    The words, pot, kettle and black come to mind.

    At least Feeney has been completely consistent in his condemnation of any and all terrorism – I believe that he has been threatened by the IRA, UVF and UDA at various points in time.

    The same certainly can’t be said of your “condemnation” of ‘loyalist’ terrorism.

    Brian Feeney may or may not be ‘nasty’, however, you are most certainly a hypocrite!

  • At least Feeney has been completely consistent in his condemnation of any and all terrorism

    Can someone point me in the direction of a Feeney article condemning the provos?

  • I’ll take that as a “no” then.