A game of two tribes…

A bit of tit for tat tribalism in Scottish football: Celtic’s ‘holy goalie’ exposed a “God Bless the Pope” T-shirt complete with a picture of the late Pope John Paul II at a recent Old Firm game, while the Sunday Herald has issued a full page apology after a columnist wrote that some Celtic ‘fans would probably rather have a bead-rattling Hoopy the Huddle Hound in the dug-out.’ Arguably, the T-shirt wasn’t as offensive as the written jibe was, in that the player was celebrating his own religious identity rather than denigrating another – but I really doubt that Boruc is some innocent who thinks he isn’t being provocative. And context is everything, and I can remember how offended Celtic fans were when Paul Gascoigne played his invisible flute!

  • RepublicanStones

    Genghis, just wait, you’ll have some arse on here trying to pass that nazi salute off as the world famous ‘Red Hand Salute’.

    And we can all give a collective ‘Sure….’

  • earnan

    Who gives a flying F

  • Star of the County Down

    DO’C,

    I know exactly what he died of, and I wouldn’t wish that on anyone. The fact remains, though, he was an alcoholic, and you’re the one (pg 4 no 21) who seems to think that that affliction (or even allegations thereof) disqualifies a dead person from having a respectful silent memorial.

    ‘George Best at least could rise about his background.’

    I see you haven’t.

  • Star of the Co Down (written by Percy Ffrench?) They named an airport after Best the alcoholic, who went through not one but two livers. Having a minute’s silence or clap for him might have been ok but canonising the guy (lol) is too much. Huns always yap on about sport and politics but stopping a match to remember a high class bike like Di is a bit much. Ditto the Queen Mother.
    The GAA do it too, holding up matches so dignatories can stick their mugs in a la Haughey and the Tour de France.
    Of course the hatred for Celtic and the GAA has to do with their Irish roots. Ditto Boruc and his Polish Catholicism.
    Guess you don’t like beead rattlers then?
    Nothing sectarian about that.

  • majordolittle

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/r/rangers/7375231.stm

    I think we can all agree that a team from the British Isles, albeit the mainland, has achieved so much. Celtic’s smalltown Catholic parochialism and associated bigotry has probably stopped them from ever reaching anything of note. But we can all agree that non-sectarian British teams are going to win both major European trophies. Even the most small minded bigot,- exception Arthur Boruc with his obscene terrorist t-shirt-will be happy that the UK is amply represented in Europe .
    Good luck to all our British teams.

  • sammaguire

    Arthur Boruc with his obscene terrorist t-shirt

    Posted by majordolittle on May 02, 2008 @ 12:16 AM

    If this is what you really think then you are seriously sad. However I suspect you might just be a sozzled Rangers fan having a bit of “fun”. Although I’m not sure.

  • sammaguire

    Major, you might just be on for the treble this year…Co Londonderry (albeit in the minorland) looking good for Sam!

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘Arthur Boruc with his obscene terrorist t-shirt’

    so a picture of the pope is a terrorist t-shirt….so your line of thinking must follow that every catholic is a terrorist……does that include your ancestors who were catholics?

  • majordolittle

    You guys don’t get out much.
    Sam…yes
    RS, what is the purpose of that shirt at a football match? Other than to antagonise others.
    Think about it, an alien concept I know but think it through.

    God bless the pope, at an old firm game. Who do you think you are kidding RS?
    If Andy Goram had shown a t-shirt saying God bless Michael Stone, would you be outraged?
    The difference is JP2 is responsible for a lot (millions) more deaths with the ban on contraception.
    like I say, you guys need to get out more.

  • RepublicanStones

    what about a t-shirt with god bless the queen?

    why do you choose to equate the pope with micheal stone??????

  • majordolittle

    why do you choose to equate the pope with micheal stone??????

    They’re both assholes.

  • sammaguire

    It beats me how anyone can be antagonised by a t-shirt with the Pope on it especially JP2. Do you honestly think the Celtic fans would get worked up if a Rangers player put on a shirt with some Protestant cleric on it?

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘They’re both assholes.’

    And the mask slips….

  • Paul

    Majordoolittle, tell me when Rangers won the European Cup? You never have and you never will. I know it hurts, and hurts real bad but life is life.

    Rangers FC = The ONLY club EVER to have won a european trophy that had to be presented in the changing room due to their fans rioting on the pitch.

    Rangers FC = Scotlands Shame.

    I predict shameful scenes in Manchester, watch this space.

  • darth rumsfeld

    I am indebted to Dave O’Conell for the interesting link which he put up about Hearts. I absolutely accept that Hearts didn’t start out as a sectarian club, and many of their supporters arestrongly anti-sectarian. I’ve only been to Tynecastle a few times for big games, and they have had the sectarian implications I described. I guess there’s none of that when they play Cowdenbeath or Falkirk.

    What was interesting about the link is the SFA response to Hibs at their inception- barring clubs from playing against a sectarian club. Now we can either see that as the anti-Irish/Catholic SFA, or a sectarian stance of Hibs’ founders. But that’s looking at it with modern eyes. We would be uncomfortable with a Muslim only team, yet we have no problem with a gay rugby team. Hibs and Celtic’s founders were of course rooted in the Irish immigrant community.

    What is undeniable is that sectarianism- real or perceived- on either side provoked(provokes) a reaction. Some Hearts fans have obviously become more sectarian in recent times-perhaps because of the ripple effect of what happened in NI, perhaps because there was a strong anti-Catholic political movement there in the 30s which died out after the war, but the prejudices remained and were channelled elsewhere. Sectarianism changes style, as society changes. It may have been less overt fifty years ago, but it was probably more pervasive, and more violent.

    BTW the best derby in Scotland is in Dundee, which has faint sectarian undertones- the mighty Dark Blues having had a loyalist following called the Derry in the 70s, and the hateful Arabs of United having been formed out of Dundee Hibernian and another local club. Hopefully this local hatred can be revived in 2009-10. Forza Dundee!!!

  • Paul

    Darth Rumsfield, yet again proving the notion that loyalism is just a sectarian and rascist reaction to all things Irish. Anti-culture par excellence.

  • Paul

    Further to my prediction of disturbances in Manchester on May 14th, i predict that many dunces, including contributors to this site will be stating that’s why the ‘Old Firm’ can’t be allowed into the Premiership or ‘Old Firm’ fans riot, as opposed to actually laying the blame where it belongs, Rangers and only Rangers. The lazy and BT9 alliance-esque ‘they’re both as bad as each other’ line will be trotted out . Watch this space.

  • good grief

    Worst thread ever. Pure spite. So much entrenched low level sectarianism combined with disrespect for the dead. One eyed sniping straight from the gutter, on all sides.

    Someone will now come along and tell us all how it was themmuns that started it.

  • themmuns

    Richard fitz Gilbert de Clare started it.

  • Star of the County Down

    ‘I predict shameful scenes in Manchester, watch this space.’

    Don’t think so, Bitter Paul, Rangers and their fans have been to 9 countries so far on their European adventures without a hint of trouble. Manchester will be no different.

    Oh, and they won’t offend the locals by singing about the organisation that blew up their city centre 12 years ago and injured hundreds of their kinsfolk. Shame Celtic can’t say the same…

  • Democratic

    And meanwhile everyone else sadly shakes their collective heads at the eejits who basically claim that although their sh1t may stink it ain’t half as bad as themmuns from the other side of the city…..pathetic! – entertainment for those you like to play out the Irish problem on the football field. The denial of the sectarianism that pervades the whole Rangers product is totally ridiculous from their lot- the moral sermonising and extreme oppression complexes from Celtic fans is quite frankly laughable….

  • Democratic: it is not as simple as that. All Catholics had in Glasgow wree Celtic. Sectarianism was a one way street as one side had all the jobs and were solidified through sectarianism and sectarian outfits like the Orange Order.
    Of course, various teams took on a more overt denominational character. One could hardly expect Catholics to support the Huns, for example. The Old Firm crap was basically a money spinner for the Huns and Celtic. It probably still is in a muted form as attendances when they don’t play are dismal.
    Celtic have been to Manchester loads of times with no trouble and if Major/Star were knowledgeable trolls, they would know Celtic was the first “UK” team to win anything in Europe – and all done with local Scots and not the Moscow mercenaries either.
    The Old Firmers would like to come south but the SPL won’t let them. The SPL and EPL could not be amalgamated as there are too many crap teams (I exclude Arabs and Huns) in Scotland.
    The future is Europe and both Old Firmers would love to climb on the bus along with 6 or so EPL teams and leave the rest behind.
    If the Old Firmers came south, violence would be sorted out, just asd it was with the Leeds and Chelsea Headhunters animals.
    Meanwhile, all eyes are o nthe Championship next Sunday. No one really gives a fuck about the Old Firm and the 12 dwarves.

  • Paul

    Star of the County Down –

    Did you know that Mr Murray bought all the away support allocation for the Rangers’ away games in Europe so that they could ‘hand-pick’ the travelling support, so scared were they that the ‘average’ hun would go on the rampage. Thing is he can’t do it this time and we will see the Rangers support, muzzles off.

    Scotland’s shame, soon to be Europe’s shame.

  • majordolittle

    so scared were they that the ‘average’ hun would go on the rampage. Thing is he can’t do it this time and we will see the Rangers support, muzzles off.

    Paul, that remark is both racist and derogatory
    Please withdraw it.

  • Star of the County Down

    Paul,

    No, Scotland’s shame is having to host a club who choose to fly a foreign flag over that of their native land.

    ‘Celtic are an Irish club who happen to be based in Scotland’

    Billy McNeill, ex-Celtic captain and manager

    ‘”Celtic-minded”? You mean Catholic Bigot.’

    Fergus McCann, ex-Celtic chairman

    Indeed.

  • majordolittle

    Did anyone ever find out exactly when Glasgow Celtic decided to fly the flag of Southern Ireland at their ground? Does any other club do this?

    BTW Mick, Does the much vaunted commenting policy allow people to use terms like “Hun” in reference to other people’s perceived affiliation. If so, then what other derisory terms are allowed?

  • Paul

    Majordoolittle

    Hun (hn)
    n.
    1. A member of a nomadic pastoralist people who invaded Europe in the fourth and fifth centuries a.d. and were defeated in 455.
    2. often hun A barbarous or destructive person.

    Considering how many people have been killed for supporting Celtic i do indeed think most of yous are barbarous and destructive people. “Up to our necks in fenian blood” etc, the ‘bouncey bouncey’ (taken from the murder of an innocent Catholic in Portadown. Numerous riots (hence very few invitations for testimonials)

    shall i go on?

  • majordolittle

    Yes Paul
    Please go on digging

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    Star

    I have gave you a personal account and the view from a quality newspaper. You prefer to cite the ‘sunday mirror’ I need not comment on your standards. Needless to say I’m sure that some Celtic fans objected to silence for a member of a family partly responsible for the ill wind that led to the Irish diaspora that created Celtic and themselves. Other Celtic fans would have objected to those making a noise, tarnishing our reputation, giving eedjits like yourself cause, the audacity to compare Rangers fans with Celtic fans.

    THERE IS NO COMPARISON!

    It is ludicrous to even invite a comparison.

    The Rangers fans in Florence were screened for a good reason. No-one could believe that Rangers had played so many away games without major incident(fair play to them). Originally the carabinieri had imposed draconian measures, ie all alchohol sales stopped, and a very cold welcome beckoned. The Rangers reputation is known because the police forces now exchange info on potential trouble. Lo and behold after a meeting with the Rangers security people and concrete assurances everything was relaxed.

    BTW. Loved the Catalan link, just shows how friendly and non-offensive that we are viewed by our great friends in Barca. I’m not sure that we have a supporters club there apart from the odd Irish bar. Perhaps they could join the Villareal Submari Celtic Supporters Club.

    http://www.kerrydalestreet.com/page/Villarreal+-+Villarreal+fans+visit+Celtic+supporters+(The+Herald,+2006)?t=anon

  • RepublicanStones

    Cheers for the vid Star, as another poster said….slapstick. It goes to show how fun the spanish think Hoops fans are. Also, i noticed the interviewer say ‘Very Good’ and ‘I love your customs’. Do you hablar any espanol yourself, or did you just think it was all negative as you no doubt wished it to be,

  • Star of the County Down

    RS & PE,

    Nice try on the spin doctoring, but not even Gordon Brown would be impressed by your ‘talents’. The ‘love’ of the Catalans for Celtic-minded ‘customs’ such as exposing oneself to locals, alcohol-induced incoherence & public urination really shines through in that video. Must come as a bit of a blow to find that your erstwhile Catalan separatist friends really view you as little more than shaved apes. Still, you win some, you lose some: maybe your pals in ETA or Hamas will feel sorry enough for you to requite the Bhoys’ ardour.

    Meanwhile, for Rangers, the longest ever European run by a British team continues to Manchester; try not to be too bitter, bhoys…

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    Star

    Don’t be too bitter my ‘talents’ are many and varied, a pity for you is one attuned to smelling bullshit. Talking of which your poor attempts at smearing the best behaved, largest supporters grouping in the world was an abject failure.

    >>Meanwhile, for Rangers, the longest ever European run by a British team continues to Manchester; try not to be too bitter, bhoys…< < Do I sound bitter about Rangers success in football or in their fans good behaviour this campaign? If so please point it out. I have congratulated all of my Rangers supporting friends in their ability to stay awake watching this dross, as I have fallen asleep a total of three times watching Rangers now. Perhaps the good behaviour is down to the total, and I mean total lack of excitement on the pitch. However I wish all Rangers managers and players, especially former ones, all the luck in the world in the final. >>such as exposing oneself to locals, alcohol-induced incoherence & public urination really shines through<< Not the first porky pie this, but consistency is to your credit. I think you will find that all of this and more was directed at Rangers fans on their recent trip to Barca, the Catalan newspaper article cited previously states as much. Celtic's several trips of late have met with nothing but the friendliness proffered by them in the first instance. I'm glad to see that Rangers fans have finally cottoned on to this winning formulae. Much better than the Billy British Union flag waving, Heil Hitlering, belligerent, xenophobic, spittle flecked, snarling, throat slitting bunch that we knew and loved so well.

  • RepublicanStones

    Obviously not then Star…lmao !

  • Star of the County Down

    Well, ignoring your blatant lies, glad to see you recognise that Rangers fans have largely put their own house in order, PE – shame Celtic’s are still the same pitch-invading, missile-throwing, referee-intimidating, terrorist-glorifying disgrace they’ve always been. Your sectarian rabble-rouser of a keeper is clearly the ideal figurehead. Enjoy what’s left of your season.

  • majordolittle

    Can we come back with a new thread after 22 May when ‘Gers have triumphed in Europe and won a domestic treble. Something basically unachievable for any club in the modern era.
    BTW RS/PE etc, have you ever looked up the word “winning” on an online dictionary? As in winning a trophy. I know this is beyond your ken, but try an online dictionary and type in WINNING.
    As fot the Tour de force that was Rangers on Thursday night, surely the Premiership beckons? Celtic should be able to apply to the Irish League, and have a genuine chance of success along with Linfield and Glentoran.

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    Star

    >>ignoring your blatant lies< < No please don't, point them out. One thing I am not is a liar...................best of luck with that. >>glad to see you recognise that Rangers fans have largely put their own house in order< < Well it remains to be seen if they have, Manchester will be a big, big test. Already the "Not welcome here" mat has been put out by Manchester city council. Unusually a final city will not be having a big screen, there are going to be tight restrictions including areas anywhere near the ground including pubs. Also there is a chance that fascist groups and football hoologan groups may join in. Perhaps a few years of good behaviour would have prevented this. I have actually enjoyed speaking with people who have grins as wide as the Clyde tunnel, now they know how we felt the night Henrick scored in Porto. I hope Manchester relaxes the restrictions, and I know Manchester is not Seville..........................but I hope Rangers fans get a chance to enjoy themselves. >>Celtic’s are still the same pitch-invading, missile-throwing, referee-intimidating, terrorist-glorifying disgrace they’ve always been.< < UEFA seem to think so, http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/3189853.stm

  • Phil

    Guys,

    So it has taken over 100 posts to come to the conclusion that most clubs have a section of their support who are arseholes? For what it’s worth on the four occasions that I have attended matches against Celtic (Highbury 1983, 1991 and 2002, Parkhead 1996) and the two against Rangers (Ibrox 1996 and Highbury 2000) the only incidents that I can recall that would call the reputation of the clubs into question were a Celtic fan urinating into a drain on Seven Sisters Road, a lone(drunk) Rangers fan singing sectarian songs on the Glasgow underground and a group of Rangers fans spitting at a pub window with a tri-colour in it near Holloway Road station and hurling anti-Irish abuse at the (mostly English) drinkers inside. That aside I found the fans of both clubs to be a friendly bunch and especially hospitable on their own patch.

    As for any ideas about either club competing in the English league, we already have enough trouble with the foreign teams who play in our competitions working to a different set of rules to the English clubs:

    http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/footballnation/cardiff-city-fc/2008/05/02/redknapp-s-fury-after-purse-wins-appeal-91466-20854869/

    We also have a situation where a foreign team has a 50:50 chance of not only winning the English cup final but also depriving an English team of a UEFA cup place. Whilst this is very much a one off situation, if Celtic and Rangers were allowed in too it would no doubt become a regular occurance. Whilst the spineless “English” FA have shown how little regard they have for defending the interests of English football, a league which for all intents would be a British league would call into question again the existance of seperate national associations, something which the SFA and FAW would almost certainly reject. I cannot ever see it happening for those reasons and I would go further and suggest that the time has come for all Welsh clubs to compete in their own competitions only.

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    Phil

    I wish you hadn’t grassed in that Celtic fan for pissing into a drain. Star of the county will add it to his list of heinous crimes associated with Celtic fans. The worst of which includes deliberately impaling themselves on the end of Rangers fans knives. 6 of those nasty cowards had cause to upset law abiding Rangers fans last week by thrusting their necks and torso’s at these poor fans knives.

    Celtic’s money men would like to play in the English league for one reason only. However Turkey’s don’t vote for Christmas, your Wigan’s, Bolton’s and Fulham’s are not going to give up their places. I would be disgusted at the prospect of playing in a foreign competition, our club is already losing it’s soul. The latest outrage is having Reid, an alleged war criminal at the helm. The Atlantic competition between Scottish, Irish, Dutch, Portuguese, Danish and Belgian clubs amongst others would be a goer.

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  • Phil

    “I wish you hadn’t grassed in that Celtic fan for pissing into a drain”.

    The funniest thing was Prionsa, it was pouring with rain and he had obviously dressed himself when the sun was shining that morning so he may just as well have pissed his pants anyway! To be honest I don’t think that you should worry too much about the rantings of someone whos spectacles are so obviously tinted royal blue. I think the best people to judge whether one side are worse than the other are your fellow Scots who support the other teams. My Hearts supporting brother-in-law came to the Arsenal game on sunday and when I asked him he was of the opinion that both clubs play to the sectarianism of sections of their support and that if both clubs spent more time promoting their Scottishness and worried less about their respective Irishness and Britishness then maybe the headcases wouldn’t bother to follow them so much, something which I tend to agree with.

    I also mentioned what was said much earlier in this post regarding Loyalist tendancies amongst Hearts fans. He has lived in England since 1980 and has only been to a handfull of games since but it would put him off as a (lapsed) catholic if that was true. In his day certainly, whether you supported Hearts or Hibs was more a matter of geography than religion and as a Broomhouse boy there was really only one choice.

  • Observed

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/05/05/yankees.redsox.death.ap/index.html

    The first world now has developed the problem of the third (and aspiring) third world.

  • Phil

    A real horror story there Observed. It just proves that we are all tribal by nature no matter where we come from. Fortunately most of us can keep a lid on it and respect other peoples “tribes” whether that be a football team, nationality, colour, religion or whatever but there will always be the odd headcase who will go too far, even in what we percieve to be the “civillised” world.

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    Phil

    Sure, I have met some Catholics that support Hearts, and I’d tend to agree that the religious thing has waned, however whenever the fascist or sectarian thing rears it’s ugly head you will almost always find Rangers fans and usually Jambo’s, it is verifiably true, does he not remember the booing on the death of JP2, or all the Orange songs, banners? Aye right. And the lazy “One side is as bad as the other” is lazy thinking prevalent amongst most Scots pushed by a biased media. The Scottish media never realised how sectarian Rangers were until UEFA almost closed their ground down after repeated warnings and fines for anti-Catholic singing and chants. Let’s just say it always paid(if you were wise) when reporting on the latest horrific or otherwise sectarian incident from Rangers to throw in at the end the lying caveat, that……………………..”One side is as bad as the other”

    Funny that.

    Incidentally, I feel sorry for my decent Rangers supporting mates, Manchester has thrown down the NOT WELCOME mat to Rangers fans for the UEFA cup final. The cops have ordered hotels to organise security or shut down, hotels are reneging on longstanding bookings, and pubs will only admit those with match tickets. Dare I mention that Celtic had 50 odd thousand fans at Old Trafford in the summer. Now this is the telling part, your peers and the police tell the true story and belie the lie that “One side is as bad as the other”. Celtic are welcome everywhere, indeed sought after by clubs for friendlies, testimonials and the like, with little or no policing.

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    Phil

    Sorry, have to ask. Re-your brother-in-law never having noticed the Loyalist element at Hearts.

    Is he the much maligned, and latterly ignored Majordolittle, AKA majorknownothing?

  • Phil

    Prionsa,

    I think you’re being a little harsh there. My brother-in-law can speak for himself but as he barely knows how to switch on a computer I feel compelled to defend him. I don’t think that he was trying to imply that you were as bad as each other, I don’t think that is his view and it certainly isn’t mine. As a catholic growing up in 1960’s Edinburgh he would have suffered his fair share of sectarian abuse so although not a Celtic fan he would understand the reasons for the club celebrating its Irishness. The point that he was making was that in doing so, rightly or wrongly they are left open to anti-Irish sentiment that has been historically rampant in Scotland. All he is saying is that it would perhaps be better for both clubs to celebrate their Scottishness more, that’s all.

    As for the booing of the Pope etc. I don’t doubt that you are right and although not a practicing catholic his mother, who used to work at the club on matchdays and was a devout catholic herself would be turning in her grave at the behaviour of Hearts fans that day in particular. As I said when I first joined in this post, every club has its arseholes and I could certainly give you a long list of times when my fellow Gooners have left me ashamed to be associated with them from calling Manchester United fans “Munich bastards” to telling Spurs fans to “fuck off back to Israel” but what is important is that those of us who are decent, as I believe the majority of fans at most clubs are, to make sure that we drown out the dickheads. If Rangers have more of a problem than most other clubs, what are your Rangers supporting mates doing about it?

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    >>what are your Rangers supporting mates doing about it?<< Not a lot, they are the minority. One is into the whole Loyalist/OO thing boots and all. Another one hates the Pro-Englishness of the so called Scottish fans. Seems that being pro-English is part of the pro-British thing. It is merely to wind us up, well it works with me ;¬) Rangers are changing, though how much is coming from within, and how much was the wake up call from UEFA fines and threats to close parts of the ground are debatable. Sorry Phil about your brother-in-law. How he can claim he knows nothing about sectarianism at Tyncastle is beyond me. There is plenty on here stating as much, providing personal analogies, to many of us Hearts are worse than Rangers. So it seems incredible that a fan claims not to know anything. One visit would suffice. Not a biggie though. As a side note, now that Scottish journalists are allowed *ahem* to report about sectarianism. One told the story of being in Athens, in an Irish pub of all things. Rangers and Chelsea were playing there, and Celtic and Spurs were on different TV screens. Apparently they were up to their knees in fenian blood and screaming their hatred of the Yids to their hearts content. Vile!

  • Phil

    Prionsa,

    I didn’t say he knew nothing of sectarianism at Tynecastle. What I said was that when he left Scotland in 1980 and it wasn’t an issue as catholics from Broomhouse, Gorgie, Dalry etc. supported Hearts whilst prods in Leith (including one of his friends who came with him to live in England) followed Hibs. Since that time the few games that he has attended have been against the Aberdeen’s and Kilmarnock’s where he could turn up without a ticket when visiting his family etc. so he wouldn’t have experienced the bile of a Celtic, Rangers or Hibs match for a long time. If he had encountered a Hearts fan dishing out sectarian abuse then knowing him he would have either confronted the perportrator(s) or not bothered going back.

    It’s interesting what you say about those Chelsea fans as I found the atmosphere surrounding Nigel Winterburn’s testimonial against Rangers to be tense (in a way which it wasn’t when we played at Ibrox for Richard Gough’s match) as opposed to the almost carnival-like atmosphere each time Celtic have been to Highbury. I had put it down to the fact that we play in quite an “Irish” area and much of our fanbase is drawn from that section of the community, but perhaps it was because quite a number of those wearing blue that night were actually Chelsea fans? Odd bunch though, they try so hard to hate Spurs or Arsenal or Leeds or Liverpool, but it’s just not the same as hating your LOCAL rivals. Trouble for them is, just what is there to hate about Fulham?

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    >>almost carnival-like atmosphere each time Celtic have been to Highbury.<< I was there for David O'leary's testimonial in 1985, I was about 12, went there with my brother and our local supporters bus and had a great time. The Arsenal fans were very friendly, and sure we were friendly to everyone, whether they liked it or not. Dancing in the fountains in Trafalgar square, catching the train to Kilburn and getting lost, ended up getting directions from local black fella's that our mob shared their carry out with in exchange for a few joints. I think we ended up beating Arsenal, even though you had Champagne Charlie Nic in your team. Funniest bit was our whole bus(waiting for it to arrive) joining in the free Nelson Mandela demo outside South Africa house at Trafalgar square after midnight. The local lefties were fascinated that we knew so many Republican songs, they had all the SF badges but knew no songs. One was a smasher, if only I had been 5 years older, I'm sure she took a shine to me. Chelsea, Chelsea.........What can I say. I've tried to talk my oldest boy into liking Arsenal, not much joy, but the boy has a natural dislike for that mob.

  • Phil

    “One was a smasher, if only I had been 5 years older, I’m sure she took a shine to me.”

    I wish you’d told me, I WAS 5 years older! BTW David O’s (first) testimonial was 2-0 to you boys if my memeory serves me well. Are you sure it was ’85 though? I thought he joined us in ’73 and had his testimonials in ’83 and ’93.

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    We are both wrong it was 86;

    http://www.kerrydalestreet.com/page/1986-08-05+Arsenal+0-2+Celtic

    I’m surprised that I didn’t get that right as I got carted off to Oz for near 10 years 2 months later.

  • Dewi

    Phil I agree with you about Cardiff…..although 50% Chance in FA Cup is pushing it a bit……

  • Phil

    “Phil I agree with you about Cardiff…..although 50% Chance in FA Cup is pushing it a bit…… ”

    Have you seen Pompey lately? I’m not knocking Cardiff for what they have achieved but the whole thing from Purse’s ban being overturned to the playing of the Welsh national anthem before the game (no English one for Pompey though) has highlighted the anomoly of clubs playing in another country’s competitions. You would think that after 16 years or so the FAW would have found a way of incorporating Cardiff, Wrexham, Swansea, Newport and anyone else that I haven’t mentioned into their own league without affecting the club’s incomes. Surely a Scottish style league with four matches per season against each other and the carrot of almost guaranteed Champions League and UEFA cup places for the top 2-3 should be enough to persuade them that their future lies in their own national competition rather than trawling around the lower leagues of English football?

  • Dewi

    I agree Phil – chuck us out. Plase!

  • Phil

    Dewi,

    If it was up to me it would have happened when the League of Wales was established. The decision though lies ultimately with the Welsh and English FA’s. I can’t see the clubs concerned going willingly without financial incentives so perhaps the only way it might happen otherwise is if pressure is applied by UEFA or FIFA.

    Prionsa,

    Sorry, I missed your post yesterday. It’s amazing how you can get a match report on a meaningless game which happened so long ago. I had forgotten that David O’s brother played for you and playing that night. You took a bit of a risk there posting a report mentioning that flag burning incident though, your new friend the major will be after you for if he sees that….

  • Prionsa Eoghan

    Something that we can be proud of Phil ;¬) Burning the butchers apron……………..

    It was the star of the county, or rather the Kenny Rodgers variety. He likes to throw muck and not back it up. Claimed to ignore my lies, since I asked him not to ignore them and show me them we have not heard a thing…………………funny that!