Raymond McCord to set up victims group

Raymond McCord senior has announced that he is setting up a victims group along with other relatives including the aunt of Gerard Devlin (murdered in 2006) and Paul McIlwaine whose son David was murdered in 2000.

From the BBC report:
Mr McCord said the Victims Commission set up by the assembly was a “sham” and a new cross-community group would be established this week.
“We are going to set up our own victims’ group.”
“We will help people the way they should be helped and not (through) a political agenda.”
“There is no group here in this country dealing properly with people being intimidated, particularly at interface areas.”

  • truth and justice

    I am begining to wonder about McCords motive he seems to like the limelight another victims group what does it achieve?

  • USA

    Good luck to Raymond McCord.

  • Steve

    t&j;maybe he just wants to prove just because there is an us doesnt make it a prerequisate for there being a them

    He seems one of the few people with out a political agenda other than justice for his son

    He doesn’t care how but he wants a result, atleast he wears his agenda on his sleeve and of all the agendas in nIreland his seems the most honourable

  • Comrade Stalin

    All the unionists who spend all day bleating about appeasement, victims and the need for truth fall mysteriously silent when it comes to the case of Raymond McCord. I won’t hold my breath waiting for an explanation.

  • Damian O’Loan

    “he seems to like the limelight”

    No. He will, though, use it as a means to gain justice for his son.

    ‘Justice for Raymond’ is also the title of his book to be released in May:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Justice-Raymond-McCord/dp/0717144143/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1209388038&sr=8-1

    Best wishes to this project. The comments are an indictment of the Assembly. It is clear that the NIO suppression of the past will be MI5/NIA in future, and with regret I think Mr McCord will be campaigning for some time to come.

  • Quizdaemon

    I saw Mr McCord on UTV last night. I felt he made a point that the SDLP, Alliance and Ulster Unionists have been trying to make for a few weeks now in regards to the Victims Commissioners, each one of these Commissioners will be earning £65k a year. Thats over a quarter of a million just to pay four people, obviously they’ll want assistants, researchers, administrators and the like. Who pays for this? What kind of budget does the Commission have to spend?

  • Turgon

    Cromrade Stalin,
    With respect this unionist (okay I am not some sort of important politician) has just raised it.

  • Justice

    Justice is not about a political deal, it is about the people who are left behind to suffer without any answers, explinations or truth. Most families of victims only want to know what happened to their loved one and why? as it will always torture them. “we often say the dogs on the street knew, but are the dogs on the street right” or is it the dogs on the street who murdered your loved one. What N.I. now has in terms of victims support is pittyful, perhaps Raymond will be able to do what no one else could as he doesnt care about political gain, or policital deals. Maybe just for once we will have a vicitms voice. Good Luck Raymond!!

  • Debbie

    Good luck to him with the forth coming book.

  • Y-MAN

    nothing like making a few quid out of a loved ones death,the book and talk of a film now hes looking funding for this new “qroup”

    “There is no group here in this country dealing properly with people being intimidated, particularly at interface areas.”

    and where is the nearest interface close to daddys house???

    good luck papa!!

  • Democratic

    Interesting that the bile posted above is from an address labelled as “Mount Vernon” – vile place – and not-so-funnily enough the area widely believed to have housed the killers of both Raymond junior and Gerard Devlin….maybe not so surprising either!

  • gareth mccord

    y-man/u.v.f. scum you clearly know were my father lives why dont you go rap his door and speak your mind. But i guess your sort only hide behind a mask or in this case a monitor and only confront the weak and vulnerable. So crawl back into your hole and act like the coward you are.
    As for money being made just ask any newspaper or t.v. station how much they have paid him in the last ten years.£o

  • Y-MAN

    Interesting that the bile posted above is from an address labelled as “Mount Vernon” – vile place – and not-so-funnily enough the area widely believed to have housed the killers of both Raymond junior and Gerard Devlin….maybe not so surprising either!

    gerard devlin was killed in west belfast,ballymurphy and was killed by “one of his own” during a family fight,nothing to do with the good people of mount vernon!!

    like wise “gareth” your father knows where i live why does he not call to my door?

    so your telling me the book deal and talk of a film he wont get a penny out of it? like i said before good luck!nothing like making a quick buck from a dead volunteer!!!!

  • USA

    The comments by “Truth and Justice” and “Yellow – man” say more about their own pitiful existence than it does anything else.
    Trailer trash.

  • brill

    ”Yellow – man” Excellent USA lolololololol best laugh all day you nailed the btard for exactly what he is.Good luck to you Mr mc Cord.All that money wasted on them four richard heads shame.Ah well roll on the assembly gravy train.

  • gareth mccord

    as i said mount vermin how could anyone call to your door when you hide your i.d. and show all who read this that you are a coward?? For the first time in your pitiful life stand up and be a man. I wont hold my breath!!
    I guess the Mount Vermin U.V.F. dont have enough men to tackle my father or maybe like you none have the swingers. Sooner or later everything will come to ahead and i know who the bookies would put odds on favourite!!

  • Comrade Stalin

    I wasn’t referring to you, Turgon. Let’s see “PeaceandJustice” weighing in, for example.

    McCord seems to scare the crap out of the great and good, that’s enough for me – all power to him. The victim’s commission being set up by the assembly is a pathetic sham.

  • TAFKABO

    Why is everyone wishing him luck when they know he will never get justice?
    Didn’t we all vote to let killers out of jail?
    Where’s the justice for the families of the bereaved when we freed the people who killed their loved ones?

    Can I take it from the comments here that there is indeed a hierarchy of victims?

    This post is in no way intended as a slur on this man, I understand exactly why he’s doing what he’s doing, and I’d like to wish him luck, but part of me feels there’s a lot of cognitive dissonance going on here.

  • Steve

    Because TAFFY He never even recieved the justice of a conviction for the murder of his son

  • TAFKABO

    A bit like Frank Hegarty’s Mother, to name but one, and yet some of the same people here shedding crocodile tears were bent over backwards trying to distract the subject away from his murder.
    Like I said, a hierarchy of victims.
    The point being, if you want to turn a blind eye to Hegarty’s murder, or rationalise it as part of the bigger picture, don’t come here waxing humanist about the death of Raymond McCord’s son.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    TAFKABO: “Why is everyone wishing him luck when they know he will never get justice?
    Didn’t we all vote to let killers out of jail? ”

    No, they were given an opportunity to prove that, with the normalization of society and the end of the conflict, they could behave in a socially acceptable fashion. Some succeed, some fail. Those who fail find themselves back in the clink… Not necessarily an experiment I would have suggested, but there you go.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/7372572.stm

  • TAFKABO

    The problem is Dread, that even after that cut off point, the governments were willing to accept a certain level of murder under the guise of “internal housekeeping”
    Raymond McCord’s son was killed by agents of the state, criminals directed and protected by the state.
    The genie is out of the bottle, there can be no real justice if we accept that some crimes be forgotten.
    And by voting for the GFA that’s what we all did, by arguing that we turn a blind eye to the deeds of those in elected office, because it will make things difficult for us all, that’s what we’re doing.
    Selective justice is no justice.

  • gareth mccord

    taffy i agree with most you say but to suggest that one victim is being highlighted more than one i.e. hegarty then i would suggest to the likes of heggartys family to get of their backside and show how much they loved him and get justice. The more victim families on board the greater the voice.

  • TAFKABO

    The problem is Gareth, the powers that be have already decided that there will be no justice for Hegarty’s killers, and I really feel uncomfortable saying this to you, but no justice for you either.
    The best you can hope for is that one of the low level criminal pawns of the British state will be made to take the rap for their part in the murder of your brother, which will be a justice of sorts, but the establishment figures that run the loyalist gangs will never face trial for their part in the killing.

  • Democratic

    “gerard devlin was killed in west belfast,ballymurphy and was killed by “one of his own” during a family fight,nothing to do with the good people of mount vernon”

    Sorry Y-man – you are right – perhaps I should have said THOMAS Devlin eh?

  • Debbie

    I’m surprised at the way this thread has turned out, theres nothing like saying how you feel but under the circumstances there has been no discretion simply due to the annoymous nature of the posts.

    Facts are facts, justice has been denied to too many families but that should not stop them from fighting for it. Nor is it any slur on any family who want to be left alone and allow their loved ones to rest in peace. Families deal with their grief in their own way. If this family feel, and justifiably so, that they have been denied justice for their son, good luck to them in their fight to get it. Good luck with the book, many families have written books on their tragedy and have helped others by putting it in a book for others to access, and used the money to fight their case or for charitable purposes, or to help with the loss. Theres nothing new in that. Criminals can write books why not the bereaved families. The attack on them here for writing it is obnoxious.

    The posts above by Y man are a breach of commenting policy surely?

  • Comrade Stalin,

    “All the unionists who spend all day bleating about appeasement, victims and the need for truth fall mysteriously silent when it comes to the case of Raymond McCord.”

    I didn’t, even when Gareth McCord told me that I could stick my sympathy up my backside.

  • gareth mccord

    the watchman the d.u.p. and fellow unionists have always said they hope we get justice and condemn the u.v.f. murders. But the point of unionist politicians failing us is actions of support and in the words of donaldson over the Quinn murder is “i will leave no stone unturned in fight for justice”. But i would say to jeffery do those stones which say corrupt officers become untouchable??

  • Artie

    How can anyone – even the political contortionists who use Slugger- fail to support Raymond McCord in helping to set up an Independent Victims’ Committee?

    Unlike the present incumbents, McCord has no political or religious ake to grind. His committee doesn’t have to look over its shoulder for Sinn Fein or DUP approval.

    The man’s son was murdered by Special Branch touts.

    What did McCord do? He set about trying to unearth everyone who was involved in his son’s murder. Not unreasonable. That the trail ended up at the door of RUC Special Branch, some of who’s touts participated in Raymond’s murder, is hardly surprising either. But without McCord’s persistence, the expose wouldn’t have been opened up. Credit where it’s due.

    Now Raymond is being criticised because he has set up a victim’s body? Is this really happening? Can anyone tell me who’s in a better position to help grieving and distraught victims?

    McCord and his victims’ committee, unlike the incumbemts, will not be looking over their shoulders at the political masters who appointed them to thier well-paid jobs.

    Raymond McCord’s like a breath of fresh air. By God, we need that.

  • Quiz master

    Fair play to the mccords and everyone else involved in setting up this body.

  • The Turning Away

    And to think Peter Taylor uses special branch men as credible sources while inquiring about IRA atrocity’s, unbelievable indeed!

    Good luck R Mc Cord.