Niall O’Dowd also talks of Adams’ departure

Mentioning this in passing, as it is interesting that in the same week, two notorious Adams cheerleaders/Sinn Fein mouthpieces have both publicly questioned Adams’ future as leader of the party and Republican Movement. This blog report of a Belfast tour (“Professor”) O’Dowd led notes that, before the group were to sit down for a one-on-one session with Adams, O’Dowd suggested Adams could not take things “to the next level”, and would need to be replaced by someone with less baggage. Coincidence for O’Dowd and Squinter to still be singing from the same hymn sheet, albeit a different tune than usual? Would O’Dowd be saying such things if it were not party approved – if not by Gerry Adams, by who?

O’Dowd prepared us for our ensuing visit with the politician, acquainting us with Adams’ background and contributions to the peace processes. Describing him as a defining figure in Irish nationalism, O’Dowd discussed how despite all odds, Adams was able to hold the movement together with Mark McGinnis, current deputy minister. After years of imprisonment, Adams didn’t even see his son till the boy turned four years old.

“Can he take it to the next stage?” O’Dowd questioned. “I don’t think he can.” He explained that Northern Ireland will probably need a younger successor to follow Adams and McGinnis in bridging the gap towards peace, someone who has less baggage and is unassociated with violence of years past.

Please note I am aware that the blogger made a mistake by referring to “Mark McGinnis”. I do not think that takes away from the substance of what they reported Niall O’Dowd said.

  • joeCanuck

    someone who has less baggage and is unassociated with violence of years past

    This is very true, I believe, in order to be able to build an enduring trust that all are committed to purely constitutional means to bring about any change.
    Doesn’t just apply to SF, of course, but at least one of the major figures on the other side who flirted with paramilitarism is going.

  • susan

    Would O’Dowd be saying such things if it were not party approved – if not by Gerry Adams, by who? — Rusty Nail

    It is absolutely necessary from the outset to preclude the possibility that this may be O’Dowd’s own assessment, independently reached?

    I remember when the Irish Voice launched in New York City, in the late eighties. O’Dowd carried a weekly column from Gerry Adams — possibly not at the launch, but soon after — and a weekly column from hardcore anti-republican John Spain. I remember being fascinated that O’Dowd was canny enough to secure financial backing for his paper — complete with a harpist and an ice sculpture at the launch party — and yet, I thought, naive enough to back two columnists that together would guarantee he would be boycotted by everyone except New York City’s then burgeoning population of teenage and young twenty-something illegals (who would buy anything with music notices, rooms for rent, and help wanteds.)

    I have no idea how the paper survived, but it did. O’Dowd had the brilliant idea of starting a venture called the “Top 100 Irish Americans,” honouring prominent people in business, electoral politics, media, academia and the arts. Some of us, most of us, thought it was pure shameless sycophancy at the time, but so many of those individuals (many of whom had never before thought of themselves as Irish American until O’Dowd handed them a handsome plaque for being so) — were forever after happy to take his calls in efforts to build liasons for publicity legislation favourable on immigraion, financial investments North and South, etc.

    I would be lying if I claimed there weren’t times I disagreed or felt keen disappointment in some of Niall O’Dowd’s assessments, but I wouldn’t rule out the possibility he said those things to the graduate students because he believes them to be true.

  • Rusty Nail

    Susan, you are 100% on and I am sorry I did not word my blog to include the possibilty that it is an honestly held assesment that just happened to be expressed while prepping a group of students minutes before they were to meet Mr Adams himself. (And suggesting the man is not up for the future is just the sort of thing you want to be saying to people before they are introduced to him, yes?) It is just mere coincidence that another editor of a Sinn Fein supporting newspaper also expressed similar, if not more passionately worded, sentiments this week.

    [tongue slightly in cheek, cynicism turned down just a notch]

    In all fairness, Susan, yes, there is that possibilty that what O’Dowd is reported to have said is his own independently reached assessment (and I should have allowed for that in the blog); and, following on that, what we are seeing is the snowballing of timing?

  • CS Parnell

    The truth is “the strategy” is bust, not the politicians.

    SF say they are for a united Ireland but have no policies for it other than a combination of telling the unionists “it’s inevitable, get over it” and “you are Irish whether you like it or not”: neither will persuade a single unionists to back reunification. (How do I know? Because they are the same things that republicans have been saying for the last 90 years and they didn’t work then).

    On the South they are stuck with the idea that they are operating in some sort of post-colonial basket case economy. I’ll give them the credit (unlike Labour) of actually trying to offer an alternative view of society and social policy other than keep the rich in their low tax haven, but the offer they made was so idiotic the voters told them to feck off.

    In the south the republicans are now like the Communists of western europe post-1991. They can stick to the old verities and they will fade away like the French PCF – they’ll still have money and members but zero influence. Or they can admit that the game is a bogey and, like the Italian party, seek new allies on the basis of auto-dissolution into something else. Or, like both examples above, they can split.

    In the North the visceral nature of politics gives them a longer life. So long as the game remains one of putting communalist strongmen up against one another they’ll be ok: think of it this way – the SDLP at least has a serious policy and approach to Irish unity beyond SF’s slogns but nobody would ever think of it in that way – to be a true Irish man in this little place means to take up guns.

    So, dump Adams if you like, but it will solve nothing in the long term.

  • susan

    Dunno, Rusty. I only know things are almost always more chaotic and less choreographed than they appear.

    As I’ve said, there were many times I’ve disagreed with O’Dowd’s take on things. The profit margin on Irish American newspapers must be miniscule, and I remember wondering when it came out that Martin O Muilleoir was buying the Irish Echo, the Voice’s lifelong rival, would O’Dowd at last take a more jaundiced view of certain assurances.

    I’ve no real idea, and would never wish to imply that I do. But I do think it possible that on some level he was trying to be straight with young people he would view as fellow journalists.

    Could I be completely wrong? Yeah, absolutely.

  • Comrade Stalin

    I remember some time ago O’Dowd making some sort of statement which, when put to Gerry Adams, caused him to remark “Niall O’Dowd does not speak for Sinn Fein”. Can anyone remember what it was ? I can’t find it on Google.

  • T.Ruth

    ALL THE SIGNS ARE THAT MR. ADAMS HAS MADE THE DECISION TO GO.I AM SURE HE WOULD LIKE TO GO IN ADVANCE OF ANY DECISION TO DISBAND OR MORPH THE IRA ARMY COUNCIL. HE WILL PROBABLY RESPOND TO SPECULATION BY GOING SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. HIS DEPARTURE WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE PEACE PROCESS WHICH REMAINS VULNERABLE WHILE SF CONTINUES TO DEMAND CONCESSIONS FOR DOING THINGS THAT COULD REASONABLY BE EXPECTED OF CITIZENS IN A DEMOCRACY’
    I DETECT IN MANY OTHER SF PEOPLE THE DESIRE TO MAKE THINGS WORK AND THAT WILL FIND RESONANCE IN THE UNIONIST COMMUNITY.BUILDING A COMMUNITY AT PEACE IS A SLOW PROCESS AND REQUIRES A LOT OF GIVE AND TAKE. IT IS NEVER HELPED BY DISSEMBLING AND DENIAL AND THE DEPARTURE OF THOSE WHO HAVE CAUSED A LOT OF HURT WILL ALWAYS BE A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
    T.RUTH

  • CS Parnell

    “think of it this way – the SDLP at least has a serious policy and approach to Irish unity beyond SF’s slogns but nobody would ever think of it in that way – to be a true Irish man in this little place means to take up guns.”

    Well said.

    Gerry Adams has a very dangerous philosophy – which he happens to think of as a pseudo-religion (“I’m sort of an a la carte Catholic-Buddhist,” Adams said.)

    In religious terms, he simply believes in an eye for an eye and rejects the central tenet of Christianity (Do onto others what you would have them do unto you.) He is a bit confused himself because of the politics of the situation, but basically that’s where he’s at.

    His philosophy is antichristian. My website suggests that it is a little more serious for Adams, the founder of the Old Testament (Adam) in the North for Catholics.

    But, it’s good to hear that there are voices wanting him to go.

    My website – http://www.johnoconnell.org/
    or click on my name.

  • perci

    CS Parnell
    Good diagnosis.
    A McIntyre helps us to understand the how and why SF cannot see themselves, as others clearly do.

    “Today, Sinn Fein and truth do not form a brace of words that rest easily in each other’s company. Sinn Fein despite pretending otherwise is a truth repellent outfit. This is not because party members as individuals are pathological liars. It is down to Sinn Fein’s own perceived need as a strategic collective to pursue a practice of organised lying for the purpose of outmanoeuvring its opponents while simultaneously deceiving itself.”

    Perhaps others may now feel more confident to speak out.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    This seems strange indeed Adams is still SFs biggest electoral asset and there is no one coming through with anything like his republican credibility.

    Realistically, there may be no next level for SF ( I think Governement in the North is as good as it gets) as the election in the south showed it’s house prices and not border polls that concerns the south and the republican electorate there is confined to a few hot spots particulalry along the border.

    Whether SF are responsible for the current advances in Irish Nationlaism ( I personally think they are )will never be agreed but there can be no doubt they wouldn’t have got anywhere near where they are today without the boy Grizzly. If he can be kept away from economics debates then he’s got a good 5 years left in the tank.

  • perci

    john O’connell
    I’m interested if you can reference that comment:
    (“I’m sort of an a la carte Catholic-Buddhist,” Adams said.)
    In what context? When? In which book/interview.

  • Billy

    JoeCanuck

    “someone who has less baggage and is unassociated with violence of years past”

    ‘This is very true, I believe, in order to be able to build an enduring trust that all are committed to purely constitutional means to bring about any change.
    Doesn’t just apply to SF, of course, but at least one of the major figures on the other side who flirted with paramilitarism is going.’

    I couldn’t agree more. Although I’m not a Sinn Fein supporter myself, I realise that it was necessary for some like GA and/or MMG to lead them away from violence towards politics.

    However, we are now at a stage where the past paramilitary connections of politicians ON BOTH SIDES is used to discredit them and as an excuse by others not to talk to them.

    Surely, there is now a generation coming through of younger people who have no associated baggage. I truly think that the gradual changing of the “old guard” will assist in the normalisation of politics in the North.

  • Perci

    It’s in the blog report of a Belfast tour about Naill O’Dowd – in the context of GA attempting to joke, I assume, about what he believes in. See top of page.

  • perci

    thanks john, don’t always have time to read every hyperlink. I often describe myself in those terms, and I share his views about women priests.

  • Perci

    My argument would be that the male Church, and more specifically the male priesthood, is most likely how it was intended by Christ while he was on earth. But that factor should not give rise to any sense of superiority in the male of the species. Clearly the priesthood is a feminising force in the world, and those involved with it are mainly men who have chosen to live without many of the elements, including marriage, associated with manhood. Priesthood is therefore a form of self-feminisation for those involved.

    This would fall into the general pattern of the influence of Christianity in the world: that it is a female voice and a feminising influence. In opposition to Christianity is capitalism, which is a male voice, dominated by the work ethic, and allegedly a civilising influence. The choice for humanity is therefore between capitalism’s civilisation and Christianity’s feminisation.

    My fear for the Church is that the Pope actually believes deep down that the revolution in social values of the past few decades can be reversed, and that women will find their “proper” role again. That’s not going to happen, even if some things will return to more normal ways.

    Much of the liberation of the past forty years can be defined as the feminisation of society, and will therefore be in accordance with the needs and desires of the Christian model.

    There is no point in the Church believing that she ought to change the very mechanisms by which the Christian message has advanced itself in recent years, even if the Church has herself lost influence. It is better to lose influence than to take on the powers that have been unleashed after almost two thousand years of the teaching of the Christian message.

    Women have a higher purpose in my mind. I dislike the bland “equality” message emanating from certain quarters about men and women. Men and women are patently not equal. In capitalism men have a competitive advantage, and are therefore superior. In Christianity women have the competitive advantage and are therefore superior. If someone says, “I am a Christian”, they are really saying, “I believe that women are superior”.

    What have women ever done to warrant their superiority and their higher purpose? The answer to that is that they have been perfected over thousands of generations of oppression. Since the beginning of time they have struggled to cope with male domination, and they have come though it stronger and with more of the higher values that men struggle to cope with.

    Perfected women, who accept their gifts, have experienced an inculcation of values promoting an ethos of love. When government of her life was taken from her, the woman learned to accept her plight and make the most of it. She became more beautiful than the man as a consequence. She is the prime mover in the family where her love governs relations between other members of the family and community.

    An absence of violence or the threat of violence is one of the ideals of Christianity and yet, mainly through men, these things still permeate and corrupt the system of love that ought to govern relations.

    So to me women have a greater vocation, a greater calling, a greater influence on society in terms of deepening values and greater role in creating stability and love. But these things must translate into more feeling for those in need in our society. The more feeling people have for those in need, the more readily those problems will be resolved.

    Women must have faith in the essential goodness of all human beings. They must have faith, simply – for their task is to perfect society.

    Contrary to what the Pope says, women must not all prepare for home life again. Some must take responsibility for society at a higher level. Some must become involved in politics and seek to make the world better again. The involvement of women in politics must never be reversed and, on the contrary, it must be encouraged. Women must choose to lead society, answering the call, leading and serving, so that the world may know true peace.

  • Tienan

    I heard this from a senior Republican about 3 years ago and it has been in the mix for a while now…

  • D.A.

    Am I imagining it, or are these journalism students?

    As if “Mark McGinnis” wasn’t bad enough, the PUP appears to have a new leader – one “Shawn Purvis”…

    http://irishfaiths.blogspot.com/2008/03/day-six-on-road-to-reconciliation_20.html

  • Northsider

    Surely, there is now a generation coming through of younger people who have no associated baggage. I truly think that the gradual changing of the “old guard” will assist in the normalisation of politics in the North.

    Spot on. I think that Sinn Fein are now actually copying the DUP in that there is swell of new politicians on the ground who, while republican in outlook, have no baggage, and furthermore, are just waiting for the signal that they can critique the failings of the past.

    Reg was right, it was the ‘wrong war’, and it needs to be said, accepted and dealt with by the new class of republican politicians.

    Accept it, deal with it, and move on. Doors will open, baggage will be cast aside, a new confidence will result.

  • perci

    John O’Connell
    That’s very interesting. I only wish the blogger Turgon was around, as he does many threads on these theological subjects, which are thought-provoking.

    This thread is about Adams’s departure, and in deference to Slugger, I’m going to have to keep to the subject; otherwise the thread goes all over the place.

    I’ve been around here long enough to know better.
    And as you’re new here there’s latitude, but we all really have to make an effort not to get side-tracked.

    Take this as well intentioned, and I only wish Turgon was around;
    I remember he did the thread on Mary the mother of God a week or so ago.
    Perhaps that’s a better place for this type of conversation.

  • susan

    #

    I remember some time ago O’Dowd making some sort of statement which, when put to Gerry Adams, caused him to remark “Niall O’Dowd does not speak for Sinn Fein”. Can anyone remember what it was ? I can’t find it on Google.–Comrade Stalin

    Rings a bell, CS, but I can’t remember either. I remember just a couple of years ago O’Dowd published a piece about canvassing door to door recently for his brother Fergus, a Fine Gael TD for Louth. There’s no doubt, however, of O’Dowd’s long friendship with and admiration for Gerry Adams.

    It is inconceivable to me that O’Dowd would deliver a message to or for Adams by addressing a travelling seminar of Columbia journalism students. It is hard to judge tone from an informal blog, but
    the blogger, Sharon, does say that O’Dowd spoke to them of Adams as a “defining figure,” etc. and mentioned his long years in prison.

    My guess based on O’Dowd’s long history with Adams is that rather than being part of any formal “Dump Adams” movement, more likely O’Dowd meant to compare Adams less to an El Cid, tied dead to his horse to go out in one more battle, more to Moses, delivering his people to the Promised Land but not able to enter it himself.

    No doubt all those able to speak for themselves soon will.

  • Susan

    My guess based on O’Dowd’s long history with Adams is that rather than being part of any formal “Dump Adams” movement, more likely O’Dowd meant to compare Adams less to an El Cid, tied dead to his horse to go out in one more battle, more to Moses, delivering his people to the Promised Land but not able to enter it himself.

    It is more likely that O’Dowd actually feels ownership of Adams in some way and is treating him almost like the rent boy he undoubtedly was to O’Dowd for going to jail and disturbing his life, not to mention the thousands of other lives he destroyed. In other words it is an unconscious put-down that defines Adams as effectively a lackey, not a Moses, (though Moses has a lot to answer for too).

  • Unimpressed

    that defines Adams as effectively a lackey

    How can the Anti-Christ be a mere lackey?

  • susan

    What with my rambling on about El Cid and Moses I sound more like I am discussing Charlton Heston than Gerry Adams myself. Apologies. Just trying to conjecture a likely context for the encounter the student reported.

  • Steve

    How many times has the obituary been written for Gerry Adams and Sinn Fein? Some how they both go on.

    John Oconell you can’t ride two horses is he the anti-christ or is he a lackey for international newspaper men. I think your train has jumped the rails son

  • Dewi

    Susan – I was rude about your cwtshing otters – try these

    Charlie

    Little Becky

  • Steve/ Unimpressed

    John Oconell you can’t ride two horses is he the anti-christ or is he a lackey for international newspaper men. I think your train has jumped the rails son

    “There I saw a woman [the whore of Babylon] sitting on a scarlet beast… that has seven heads heads and ten horns.” (Rev 17:3)

    Capitalism’s invention is violence and the woman is predicted to sit on i.e. oppress the beast. The beast is not the main source of leadership or power. People like O’Dowd are with their support for the oppressive violence in society. He likes his lackey, that’s why he cheers him on.

    Note that there are “seven heads” – army council has seven heads. “Ten horns” – the ten hungerstrikers conceived of as sexually arosed organs as if to equate them with male features.

    The beast is violent, conspiratorial, and extremely masculine.

    For further information why not visit my website -click on my name below.

  • Unimpressed

    You’re making it up as you go now, John.

  • Wilde Rover

    Steve,

    “John Oconell you can’t ride two horses is he the anti-christ or is he a lackey for international newspaper men.”

    Ah Steve, did you not click on John’s name? He is “the returned Christ,” so I’m guessing that riding two horses would be a pretty small trick for Him.

    “I think your train has jumped the rails son”

    That’s Son of God to you Steve.

    I’m guessing that, with the messiah appearing in the comments section, Slugger is a shoe-in for loads of blogging awards this year.

    Let the good times roll.

  • Unimpressed

    You’re making it up as you go now, John.

    Do you not believe me about Gerry Adams. Perhaps this will help.

    Why I believe Gerry Adams is the Antichrist (and Ian Paisley the false prophet)!

    First of all, I believe that Gerry Adams is the Antichrist because of the coincidence that his name comes out at 666 on my numeric alphabet (see website http://johnoconnell.org/number_of_the_beast_calculat.htm), a numeric alphabet that I discovered during my years at St Columb’s College in Derry and further investigated during my years at University College Galway. If his name didn’t come at 666, using some reasonable means, then I would not believe that he is the Antichrist. He would simply be to me just another delinquent who leads a very large conspiracy to undermine Ireland.

    Second of all, due to another pertinent coincidence his name contains “Adam”, the name of the first man, and from a theological point of view, this adds much to the basis of him being the Antichrist. Adam coincidentally means ‘man’ in Hebrew, and the number of the beast is specifically described as “man’s number” (Rev 13:18).

    These are extraordinary coincidences and not to dismissed by any means by any intelligent observer of matters theological.

    The apostle Paul wrote: “For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive” (1 Cor 15:22). Adam therefore symbolises death, and thus the question must be asked, is there significance to the ‘Adam’ in Gerry Adams’ name? Does Gerry Adams, the effective leader of the IRA’s republican movement, symbolise death?

    The descriptions of the beasts in the Book of Revelation are interesting.

    ‘The inhabitants worshipped the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed,’ (Rev 13:12). Coincidentally, Gerry Adams was shot and wounded in 1984, but recovered. Afterwards, he became Sinn Fein president and one of the foremost politicians in Northern Ireland. The use of violence for him is a matter of tactics. That is a matter of fact and record. Gerry Adams has not stepped away from violence. He believes in his own words that “there is a time for peace and a time for war”, mocking the Prince of Peace and equating Christ with the Antichrist, good with evil.

    The first beast, who is said to be the Antichrist, is prophesied to have “seven heads” (Rev 13:1), which is coincidentally the number of heads on the IRA army council, including Gerry Adams’ allegedly.

    “Who can make war against him?” (Rev 13:7). The IRA has been described as ‘the most sophisticated terrorist organisation in the history of mankind’. Their structure makes it impossible for a conventional army to defeat them.

    Gerry Adams fulfilled another prophecy during the run-up to the 2007 Assembly election campaign in the North of Ireland. This involved him requesting the use of Clonard Monastery (Roman Catholic) church in West Belfast for a political meeting discussing his party’s policy. He still believed that armed struggle was a legitimate means of resolving differences.

    When Gerry Adams took to the altar of Clonard monastery while his beliefs were in conflict with Christ’s teaching, he was proclaiming himself to be wiser than God and better than Jesus Christ. He was in logic proclaiming himself to be God.

    “[The man of lawlessness or the Antichrist] will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshipped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.” (2 Thes 2:3-4)

    When you think of all the violent activity, brutality and attacks on old people in West Belfast, you must think “man of lawlessness” as the beast or Antichrist is decribed.

    Fror further information, see http://www.johnoconnell.org/ or click on my name below.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Wikipedia suggests that during a manic episode, sufferers of manic depression “[..] may feel they have been “chosen”, or are “on a special mission”, which are considered grandiose or delusional ideas.”

  • Comrade Stalin

    Wikipedia suggests that during a manic episode, sufferers of manic depression “[..] may feel they have been “chosen”, or are “on a special mission”, which are considered grandiose or delusional ideas.”

    Et tu, Brute.

    The above applies only if they are ill. If I am ill then I’ve been ill writing nine books, articles and letters. People with MD suffer episodes of illness which, for me, stopped eleven years ago by and large.

    Can you not just accept that you lived through the Apocalypse and that it is nearing an end now because God has been in control all along and is now intervening to take command of the situation? God is about to punish Paisley and Adams, and the face of the Lamb will be seen soon.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    JO’C

    As it is Easter it is only approprite that this site should have a decidedly religious slant on these issues. My own grasp of biblical mattters is very wanting considering I was brought up in a devoutly Catholic part of Ireland. I also feel that certain aspects of the bible were deliberately avoided in school disucssions particualrly by Catholic clergy – but subsequent revelation about their activities at the time do help to make this more understandable.

    I had long understood that the evangelical wing of Unionism and the conservative wing of the Catholic Church had very strong views on same sex sexual actitivity and am now shocked at the ‘alleged’ use of the DUP ‘back channel’ by SF.

    As a Christian scholar yourself with obvious a deep understanding of politics and religion in Non Iron are you not suprised that this ‘allegeged’ sexual activity has not lead to more resignations than that of Ian Paisley and the current calls for the removal of Gerry Adams? Surely this behavious is completley outlawed in the old testament or has there been a more modern version of that part of great book released? Please advise.

  • It was Sammy McNally what done it

    I think I’ll pass on that one.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    The biblical phrase “turning the other cheek” rather (inappropriately ) springs to mind here

  • baslamak

    If you lay down with dogs you are likely to get covered in fleas, time Gerry got back amongst his own people, before it becomes to late.

  • susan

    Cheers, Dewi, no harm done — they were not my personal otters.

    Thanks for the clips. The brothers I’d never seen; I love the big puddin’ heads on them. “Little Becky” I remember was circulating a few years back as an mp3, along with 9 minutes of the poor sleep-deprived man on the night shift bellowing into the answerphone at Clonard. I just found that Hugh Green has posted an edited version of that on YouTube, but it still would be a bit harsh to post on Slugger.

    Thanks, Dewi. :o)

  • Baslamak

    time Gerry got back amongst his own people, before it becomes to late.

    It is too late.

    Gerry Adams’ secret fear

    I was a student at university in Galway this time twenty-two years ago when I had the most amazing spiritual experience that any human being could have. While writing an essay as an entry to the UCG Philosophical Society’s competition, I felt the most amazing sense of peace descend on me. I felt an absolute sense of love for all people and an overwhelming sense that I was loved too. I was filled with love.

    My essay concerned two babies, whose nametags were switched at birth, and who grew up in families that opposed each other, one a republican and the other a loyalist. These two children ended up murdering their natural fathers in violent incidents during the Troubles. The moral of the story was straightforward, I felt, and in a philosophical sense it meant that all violence was futile and that sectarian violence was simply patricide – or a desire to simply end the human race.

    But the feeling of love would not go away after I wrote the essay. I felt that I was in the midst of something really profound and my mind began to search for what that overwhelming significant matter could be. Then it struck me.

    It was like lightning struck me. It was to do with the other part of a calculation a friend had shown me in my days at St Columb’s College as a fifteen year old. That calculation worked out the name of Ian Paisley at 666. I had checked the references in the Book of Revelation at that time and I knew that there were to be two beasts.

    “Gerry Adams! It has to be!” I roared to myself in the kitchen of the small flat where I had my experience of great love and peace.

    I set down the same numeric alphabet, and calculated Gerry Adams’ name at 666. It was the icing on the cake. I now had an equation to back my essay up. My thesis, which in large part was the SDLP thesis, was being validated by God.

    I never had any doubt that the SDLP thesis was Christian in orientation, or that the republican campaign of violence was evil in orientation. But now I had the proof. I tried it out on a few people, mainly Sinn Fein members at UCG and they were very interested (and worried). It seemed that I had something on them.

    But it only impacted on them. It never impacted on others because others didn’t consider themselves to be doing anything wrong, as opposed to the Sinn Fein members who were assisting the IRA in their campaign of violence. I was left in no doubt that my discovery had gone straight to Gerry Adams.

    It wasn’t long before I heard from Sinn Fein. Others may make up excuses but I know that the attack on our home, smashing several windows, in August 1986 was a warning from Sinn Fein. But it was too late. Their war was over. I had taken out their king and all good chess players will know that that is the game over.

    Within months of that time, Gerry Adams was sending signals through Fr Alec Reid that he was prepared to end the IRA campaign. My experience had sown the seeds of doubt in Adams’ mind and unnerved him completely. He didn’t want to the Antichrist. More accurately, he didn’t want to go down in history as the man who was regarded as the Antichrist.

    In Spring 1987, a year after my experience, the peace process began in earnest with talks between John Hume and Gerry Adams arranged through Fr Alec Reid, and so the history books record a rational explanation of the ending of the IRA campaign.

    No-one – especially not republicans – really wants to contemplate the possibility that something got to Gerry Adams to make him decide finally, after months of dithering, to give up the violence.

    That something was God. Gerry Adams was confronted with what he had become by God – through me, his instrument – in 1986 and he very quickly developed a yellow streak. They say that Gerry Adams was never all that hot about the war and that has led to all kinds of speculation that he was a top level agent of the British and so on.

    But I can end that speculation. Gerry Adams finally came to the conclusion that the war had to end when he realised that history will record him alongside Ian Paisley as the one of the two beasts of Revelation.

    God had hit the Republican Movement at its weak point. It was thought that Sinn Fein was impenetrable because of its egalitarian structure which meant that Adams could have been replaced if got to. But the republicans had made a big mistake. They had relied heavily on Adams to fight their case in the public domain so he came to matter more than all the others. God got to Adams and it was checkmate.

    It’s all over for Adams now that his secret is out.

  • Wilde Rover

    Clearly, there would be a conflict of interest if the President of a republican party were found to be the Antichrist.

    How could the faithful be expected to have any respect for him if he were going around with a blatantly monarchist title like Prince of Darkness?

    Also, as Antichrist, would his policy of instigating global Armageddon not necessitate that he work against the best interests of his constituents in WB?

    Finally, would he not feel under pressure about any negative publicity his party would attract were he to bring about the End of Days?

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    JO’C

    that’s really weird because around the time you speak of I has holidaying in Haiti and became quite friendly with a dusky maiden who was the housekeeper for the Doc family – remember Papa Doc and Baby Doc. She was the leader of a cult that believed in free love and I have to say I was won over to this religion not least because at the time there was a severe shortage of male participants. Part of the cult’s beliefs concerned a type of voodoo that involved trying to get people who disliked each other intensely to become lovers. At first I was sceptical but after some persuasion decided to try it out with 2 figurines that I always carried with me in case I was asked questions about the Non Iron conflict – yes you have guessed it – the Rev Ian and Grizzly. I soon realised that I could manipulate the peace process via these 2 ‘pawns’.

    Amazingly I spent less time in the cult – even though I had gained control over the admissions policy and refused to allow any more male members to join – and instead increasingly found myself under a palm tree trying to bring peace to my tortured home land.

    With a bit of ceramic manipulation I managed to ‘lock’ the 2 figurines together in a way not popular amongst many Christians and the rest as they say is history.

  • archangel farlighter

    John,

    I remmber hearing Adams years ago articulating his philosophy …

    “It is better to be a dog than to be a Buckna man’s jersey cow.”

    I think it meant that Sinn Fèin are setting themselves up as pets in the new order whereas others will be food and objects of satanic sodomy.

    He was wearing a red cape at the time and Martin McGuinness was chanting mullarum shugarum doogarum.

    What does it mean? Why did they make me give blood ‘for wounded volunteers’?

  • MM

    Using a numerical calculation revealed to as a result of a Buckfast related head injury, I discovered Gerry Adams name is related to the number 02890254517 after experiencing a further warm glow, possibly related to cider, I realised this was the number of the Traffic Control Centre and the entire Provo campaign was an attempt to interfere with road management. Once the IRA became aware of my revelation they knew the game was up and prompted stood down their campaign investing heavily in hybid car technology with strong emphasis on the Toyota Prius.

  • Wild Rover

    Also, as Antichrist, would his policy of instigating global Armageddon not necessitate that he work against the best interests of his constituents in WB?

    Armageddon is misunderstood

    Many people have often bizarre misconceptions about the prophecies surrounding Armageddon as they do about all the prophecies of the Book of Revelation. But Armageddon is in reality the prophecy which gives rise to the most terrifying images when misinterpreted, as it often is. It is often said to be the final conflict which will result in the end of the world. A nuclear holocaust is the typical definition of Armageddon. But that holocaust can never be because that can only be defined as final victory for Satan. Revelation is about victory for God.

    Some historians believe that more battles were fought at the place known as Armageddon than at any other place in the world, presumably because it was a hillside pass where conflict often arose. It is therefore said to be the most appropriate place for the final struggle between good and evil. Yet good can only win when there are no casualties of war and no violence. Therefore, a battle, if it takes place at all and human beings are hurt, signifies victory for evil.

    The Book of Revelation is all about the victory of good so the final conflict does not result in a great many tragic deaths. It can only result in a battle that never takes places.

    The major battle in our sphere here in Northern Ireland that ended in a damp squib was the Battle of Drumcree, in county Armagh, where Orange and Catholic forces were in conflict over the right of an Orange march to go through a Catholic area in early July each year from 1995 onwards. Each July this battle threatened to escalate and involve the 12th July Orange parades, causing civil war on our streets. But common sense prevailed and the matter is all but settled now.

    Was it the battle of Armageddon? Is the “Armag(h)” significant in Armageddon? Certainly “three evil spirits” (Rev 16:13), emanating from the Antichrist, the false prophet, and the dragon, were present at Drumcree in that Adams, Paisley and Britain/Babylon were all represented in the triangular conflict. Of course, none of them represented good, or were doing the good thing. All were only interested in their own selfish strategic interests. But nothing happened and the dispute fizzled out because good was brought to bear on all the protagonists in the form of compromise and dialogue elsewhere.

    But Armagh was important. “The kings of the whole world” (Rev 16:14), as they are almost mockingly referred to, gathered there in the midst of this divisive and potentially dangerous crisis. Those undisputed kings of the whole world, Britain’s Prime Minister Tony Blair and US President Bill Clinton, held a public meeting in Armagh in the late 1990’s.

    After the Cold War these two leaders had become the undisputed “kings of the whole world”, and shortly after leaving Armagh they restated their supremacy over Russia and China. This was done over Kosovo when US and UK forces were used to attack the friend of Russia, Slobodan Milosevic, PM of Serbia. In the process of dislodging Milosevic, US fighter pilots managed to “accidentally” destroy the Chinese embassy in the Serbian capital. This was a clear act of provocation and Russia and China decided that discretion is the better part of valour. Armageddon turned out to be just another damp squib despite the best efforts of the Babylonian British and American armies.

    Good won the day in terms of the international catastrophe that might have been had certain people got their way. So the final conflict between the Superpowers resulted in a battle that never took place and was therefore undoubtedly Armageddon. So good prevailed and the Book of Revelation continued to guide us to a Christian paradise and away from war.

    AF, I dunno.

  • Wilde Rover

    Ah, but surely as Antichrist it would be part of policy to say he was going to bring about a Global Armageddon, some time in the future, rather than something he would have to follow through on, sort of like an election promise on a UI.

  • joeCanuck

    Is John O’Connell out on a weekend pass?

  • Comrade Stalin

    Joe, no, but I think he’s in the midst of a manic episode.

  • austin

    Joe and Comrade,
    On behalf of Mick, play the ball and not the mans, lads.

  • Steve

    Joe and Comrade

    Its not fair to play mind games with the unarmed

  • susan

    It might be past time to put this thread to bed?

    Here’s a link, however, to the Columbia Spectator, that provides some helpful context on the students’ trip and comments. The course (in NYC) is co-taught by both Goldman and O’Dowd for students considering covering the religion beat in their professional careers.

    http://www.columbiaspectator.com/node/28366

  • susan

    Sorry. Meant to say the course was taught in Ireland by Goldman and O’Dowd, not in NYC.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Dewi,

    Ospreys v Munster looks like it could be a runner – saw Ospreys demolish Saracens and Munster demolish Ulster – this will be revenge of the sweetest type and in Wales’s backyard.

    Irish players for Munster look as if they have really big point to prove having taken so much criticism after Ireland’s abject displays – and when you add in the hype sorrounding the little red feckers – the stage will hopefully be set.

  • Wilde Rover

    Ah, but surely as Antichrist it would be part of policy to say he was going to bring about a Global Armageddon, some time in the future, rather than something he would have to follow through on, sort of like an election promise on a UI.

    Everytime you advocate the use of violence, you make an unconscious choice to end the world.

    But it’s over for Gerry Adams and his philosophy of attempting to end the world, you’ll be glad to know.

    Rejoice.

  • Dewi

    Sammy -“this will be revenge ot the sweetest type”

    I’m filing them all for future reference…..

  • good grief

    …breaking news, the results for the “Best Troll Ever” award are in. He even made a website.

    Priceless.