And so it begins

I hope I am allowed to post a TUV thread. It seems that the leadership have decided to have a go. Do they have any chance? Of course the people who can actually comment on that are the voters of Dromore. That would not stop us all having opinions on it now would it?

  • Roughly the same chance as Bob McCartney, Q.C., methinks.

  • DC

    What Jim says is correct about his views on Paisley because how can you build up hopes of the DUP-minded over a long generation on ‘no’ political substance, to turn round at break-neck speed and say yes to everthing you always said no to?

    In a wider political sense the only way McGuinness and Paisley etc can help is to make sufficient amends in that Northern Ireland reconciles appropriately.

    Failing that as things stand I find Paisley a complete hypocrite with a political strategy dispensed back in the 90s to divide unionists for the purpose of cutting down another party making the difficult choices on its own for its people.

    For the DUP to invoke such a strategy in that way without immediate benefits or long term reconciliation means they did so just for power and that is utterly repugnant if not electorally off-putting.

    But, the DUP-style of politics has never been something followed by me, yet it is very clear to see why people are pissed off.

  • Dewi

    No website Turgon ? I also must have missed them registering as a Political Party – have they or is that not necessary for local elections?

  • Dewi

    Sorry – found it Must have been sleeping.

  • getthefacts

    The Alliance Party are entering the fray in Dromore with former Banbridge Academy vice-principal David Griffin. Alliance did not stand in Dromore in the last two elections.

    http://www.dromoreleader.co.uk/dromore-news/ELECTION-HOPES-PINNED-ON-GRIFFIN.3649773.jp

    The last two elections in Dromore –

    2005 Results

    DUP gain from UUP
    First Count:
    Tyrone Howe, (UUP) 1304
    Norah Beare, (DUP) 1292
    Paul Rankin, (DUP) 870
    David Herron, (DUP) 838
    Cassie McDermott, (SDLP) 712
    William Martin, (UUP) 580
    Francis Branniff, (SF) 429

    Votes by Party:
    DUP: 3,000 (49.8%), 3 seats
    UUP: 1,184 (31.3%), 1 seat
    SDLP: 712 (11.8%), 1 seat
    SF: 429 (7.1%)

    Electorate: 9,542; seats: 5; votes cast: 6,119; spoilt votes: 94 (1.5%);
    valid votes: 6,025 (98.5%); quota: 1,005

    2001 Results

    DUP gain from UUP
    First Count:
    Paul Rankin, (DUP) 1,375
    Cassie McDermott, (SDLP) 1,202
    David Herron, (DUP) 1,032
    Norah Beare, (UUP) 896
    William Martin, (UUP) 894
    Thompson Howe, (UUP) 685
    Joseph Boyd McIlwaine, (NIUP) 45

    Votes by Party:
    UUP: 2,475 (40.4%), 2 seats
    DUP: 2,407 (39.3%), 2 seats
    SDLP: 1,202 (19.6%), 1 seat
    NIUP: 45 (0.7%)

    Electorate: 9,149; seats: 5; votes cast: 6,232; spoilt votes: 103 (1.6%);
    valid votes: 6,129 (98.4%); quota: 1,022

    2001 Census: 2,737 “Catholic” (21.86%); 9,420 “Protestant” (75.24%); 25 Other (0.20%); 338 None (2.70%)

  • Dewi

    Fianna Fáil ?

  • Dewi

    FiannaFáil are registered Would be an interesting exercise. Thanks for the facts getthefacts

  • Twinbrook

    sometimes I envy Unionists with all the variety of parties vying for their *loyal vote*…..

    Nationalists now have a choice between two parties SF/SDLP which when all the hype is blown away are basically both the same….even the advent of Southern Parties will gave us nothing but more of the same….

    Where are all the radical parties!

  • democrat

    Well this will demonstate if Paisley/DUP have actualy lost support.

    A good candidate choice by TUV

    They need to be on guard from DUP dirty tricks

  • getthefacts

    The SDLP are considering their position this Sunday night.

    Nominations close 5pm Tuesday 15 Jan 07.
    http://www.banbridge.com/template1.asp?pid=645&area=1

    Full Banbridge District 1993 to 2005 election results
    http://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/lgbanbridge.htm

  • lib2016

    …and Turgon’s ‘Oh dear me, I’m such an innocent cratur but aren’t all republicans hateful creatures’ appearance here is explained. 😉

    That didn’t take long and it will be interesting to see what other exercises we will soon see in trying to stir up community hatred.

    OO Halls in staunchly loyalist areas are attacked, the grand Vizier warns of repercussions and surprise surprise – GAA halls are attacked. What a shock, except that its just another variation on a theme we’ve been hearing since the 1960’s and before. Remember the Silent Valley, anyone?

    Dangerous stuff these guys are playing with – the loyalists are the most cynical of us all and they aren’t about to be led by the nose by a crowd of middle class tossers. That game is over.

    The pity is that skulls may be cracked and lives ruined before this farce is exposed.

  • URQUHART

    Can anyone confirm or rule out whether this inaugural TUV candidate is related to well known defender of the Union and leading Stoneyford community activist Mark Harbinson?

  • Only Asking

    I agree with twinbrook re the lack of choice. The TUV choice of candidate is very good, he stands as good a chance of any.

    Would be extremely interesting if he did get in.

  • Comrade Stalin

    lib2016, are you saying that the attacks on Orange halls are the work of loyalists ? It’s funny that you have to go back 40 years to find a precedent.

    This is the first major electoral test for the DUP since devolution, and indeed the first test for the TUV. I would not dismiss TUV’s chances right away, although they are somewhat slim.

  • methinks

    TUV can’t really lose in this election because they start from nothing. With this being a DUP heartland and part of Jeffrey’s empire they really need to trounce TUV out of sight.

  • Chuckle Vision

    Anyone know if the DUP candidate is the same Stewart who owns licensed premises (possibly with his brother) in Dromara? If so, would this be a first for the DUP to have a licensee as a candidate?

  • methinks

    Surely not, Chuckle Vision. You’re having a laugh! Republicans in government and publicans as candidates. I can’t take any more!

  • Garibaldy

    Urquhart,

    Read the press release linked in the post. It’s not who you are saying it might be

  • lib2016

    Comrade Stalin,

    Neat twist you put on my post. What I said was that this is part of a pattern which stretches back 40 years and more.

    Every time extreme unionism feels that their supporters are weakening we get the same reaction. An outrage in a staunchly unionist heartland and then loud calls for retaliation.

    Even in the last few years we’ve had the Castlereagh incursion by people who had no fear of appearing on TV and who knew the codewords.

    Then the Stormont ‘spy scandal’ where the only actual spy turned out to be a British agent.

    The Northern Bank raid, complete with disappearing white vans, in the Donegal Pass area. The only money recovered just happening to be in a Police social club.

    Now we have these nasty little sectarian attacks, complicated by the involvement of Catholic bigots in at least one outrage it’s true, but to suggest widespread republican plotting. That’s a big stretch – too big for me.

    People aren’t stupid you know. They do realise when someone is trying it on and this is a more blatant try-on than most.

    Northern Ireland is a small society and the truth will out.

  • uupobserver

    Contrary to the impression given by Basil McCrea, as quoted in the News Letter today, Carol Black is not a UUP candidate in this by-election. The selection meeting at which she was ‘chosen’ was ‘illegal’, because it was not conducted in accordance with Party rules, therefore Carol Black cannot run as a legitimate UUP candidate. If she is as good as Basil says, then she can run as an independent – at least that would be legit.

    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/DUP-and-Allister-set-for.3666389.jp

  • Interested Observer

    I am pleasantly surprised at the quality of the TUV candidate. I was of the opinion that TUV might have difficulty finding candidates other than some of the older faces that have left other parties. I must say it bodes well for the future of the party if it can attract young men of the calibre of Harbinson.
    More and more as I talk to people I get the feeling that there is a considerable number of DUP voters unhappy with the party. These same people have not said too much in public as they don’t want to be seen as disloyal – it will be interesting to see where they put their mark in the polling station!!
    With regard to what constitutes success -I would guess anything over 500 votes. This would represent over 10% of the unionists who vote and would be a remarkable first step for the party.
    I also predict a few hard line statements from the DUP over the weeks running up to the election. I expect the DUP to rollout Simpson and McCrea to rally the troops.

  • methinks

    Interested Observer,
    You are probably right that Simpson & McCrea will be required to “do their duty” but secretly many in the DUP who are uncomfortable, will be hoping TUV succeed in firing a shot across their Party’s bows. The tensions still exist in the DUP, so some hope a credible TUV performance will put the brakes on Paisley & Robinson.

  • getthefacts

    The Alliance Party last stood in Dromore in 1997 and got only 202 votes. However, a lot has changed in the last ten years which should benefit Alliance –

    1. The large influx of new people into Dromore from far outside the area, many of whom do not fit the traditional political profile of the district.

    2. Loss of confidence in the UUP by moderate unionists.

    3. The large personal vote which came out for high profile rugby player Tyrone Howe in 2005, many of whom were moderates who will be looking for a new ‘home’ for their vote this time.

    Should be an interesting test of the view that the greatest threat to the UUP in 2008 is the Alliance Party.

  • rj

    Seems to me that there could be a lot of change here.

    It may not be TUV heartland, but reports suggest a credible candidate.

    DUP gained a seat at each of last two elections: what do recent ‘switchers’ from UUP think of current position at Stormont? Will Nora Beare’s supporters be upset that she was dumped from the DUP Assembly team?

    UUP has more than a little local difficulties. What kind of shambles (aka ‘party’) throws away the offer of a free return for the previous Councillor by selecting someone else, with a strong chance of loosing the seat at the by-election?

    How many Independents (ex-UUP) might stand?

    As suggested above, how many of the personal votes for Tyrone Howe will go Alliance, given UUP problems and improved Alliance performance in Coleraine by-election and Assembly election. (Not to mention a locally-respected candidate.)

    Will either of the nationalist parties bother? Can SF afford not to try to outpoll SDLP? With their own local unhappiness, can SDLP mount any serious campaign?

    And that’s just first preferences. What will be the transfers between TUV and DUP (old friends, now sworn enemies)? Balance from UUP between DUP, TUV and Alliance? Within nationalism and to Alliance from there.

    With up to seven candidates, the winner could start as low as 15%.

  • David Griffin website – http://griffin2win.blogspot.com

    David Griffin facebook group (all time first for an NI political campaign) – http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6937269367&ref=mf

  • getthefacts
  • methinks

    Nice try at a DUP smear “Dromore voter”, but getthefacts’ posting shows it is both the UUP and the DUP that this Mark person has in fact been politically associated with.

  • DC

    Sammy, why does Gerry Lynch have his name on David Griffins web-blog?

    I like David Ford but Alliance is run by Presbyterians, leader and deputy why not just for Paisley’s party.

  • DC

    Sorry, should be:

    I like David Ford but Alliance is run by Presbyterians, leader and deputy why not just *vote* for Paisley’s party.

    Are there any mixed marriages in Alliance Sammy? Does the border matter, does Gerry like Euros?

    🙂

  • Star of the County Down

    I have no doubt that this will be a 2 horse race between Paul Stewart and Carol Black.

    At the last election the DUP polled around the 48/49% mark. Given the fact that this is a mid-term byelection and there will inevitably be a protest vote, the DUP will want to poll 40% or above to claim victory.

  • darth rumsfeld

    “Can anyone confirm or rule out whether this inaugural TUV candidate is related to well known defender of the Union and leading Stoneyford community activist Mark Harbinson?”

    Yes- he isn’t.Still , didn’t take long for the smears to start

    He’s a popular local solicitor who works in the practice of Drew Nelson, former chairman of the District council and current Grand Secretary of the Orange Institution, though not I believe involved in party politics these days. On ability alone, he’s woth more than the other 2 Unionists combined, though of course that counts for nothing, as James Cooper will tell you.

    We know the DUP are intent on crushing TUV at this stage, despite local members’ reluctance, so the poor folk of Dromore had better get used to the church busses from the Free Ps of the world blocking up their parking spaces, stern faced young ladies in hats knocking their doors during Corrie, or -the horror!- Plug Poots, Jeffrey, Arlene and the rest of the Vichy gang trying to engage them in conversation in their local coffeee shop.

    And all the while the dark countenance of Punt sits brooding over a map deploying the troops to clachans and culs de sac, having them repeat inanely the same platitudes “Gerry McHugh resigned so we have them licked… Unionists are more self confident…the Giants Causeway is five thousand years old.. Mr Quinn was killed by renegades just like ..er Mr McCartney wasn’t”

    Yup, we all saw how ruthless the DUP were prepared to be to get to the top of the greasy pole- the easy part- so let’s see how they are on the defensive. Not for the fainthearted this one.

  • Star of the County Down

    DR-

    If you had the faintest idea about Dromore you would know that Mr. Harbinson doesn’t have a hope.

  • LL.B

    “He’s a popular local solicitor who works in the practice of Drew Nelson, former chairman of the District council and current Grand Secretary of the Orange Institution”

    Let’s hope if he does get elected he won’t spend all his time on Slugger O’Toole, unlike some other solicitors…

  • DC you certainly have your facts wrong if you seriously think the Alliance party is ran in any way by a church. The facts speak for themselves The Alliance Party is the political home of many different religions, way more so than any other party. Our MLAs and Councilors reflect Northern Ireland’s changing face or Northern Ireland, more so than any other party in this country.

  • interested

    Darth
    His family relationships shouldn’t be a factor, but unfortunately they are and they will be.

    You do have to wonder why they didnt select their true ‘local’ candidate though. After all Brian Moorhead has been studiously writing letters to the paper since the formation of TUV – mind you, maybe Jim Allister has just as much central control over TUV as they allege goes on in the DUP.

    Of course this election is going to be a little on the dirty side. After all, its the confirmation that Jim Allister’s political movement has now become a proper bone fide political party. Clearly the internal differences over whether to fight elections have either been solved or brushed over.

    However, now that Jim and his happy band of nutters are a party we are perfectly entitled to ask them what their policies are…… Oh what joy. We get to press Roy Gillespie et al about their views and whether these correspond with the great barrister Chairman’s….. hmmmm I wonder….

    After all Jim Allister was clear that he’d be happy in Government with SF by now – the few month wait has passed (or at least he said that while in the DUP). Do his party colleagues agree that SF would be ever eligible for Government? Oh dear and the poor respected solicitor is going to be caught in the crossfire… Is he on the Ballymena wing of the Party or the Kells wing of the party I wonder? Does he go in for the “come ye out from amongst them” stuff of some of his colleagues or does he steer the more legalistic route of his Chairman……

    For the remaining people in Northern Ireland who still haven’t got the message that the DUP are the political mainstream in Northern Ireland the intervention of this motley crew will nicely highlight that fact. Its actually the worst news for the Ulster Unionist Party – they can’t play themselves as the nice people against the nasty DUP when the nasty DUP have the quite bonkers TUV to compete with.

    But then Darth, I’m sure they’ll have hoards of Limavady solicitors up canvassing for them. That should be worth a vote or two…..

  • Sammy, why does Gerry Lynch have his name on David Griffins web-blog?

    As I understand it, Gerry Lynch is David Griffin’s election agent and therefore it’s a legal requirement for him to have his name on any relevant website.

    I like David Ford but Alliance is run by Presbyterians,

    Wash your mouth out! Eglais na hEireánn abú!!!

    leader and deputy why not just for Paisley’s party.

    Paisley isn’t a Presbyterian, and neither is Robinson.

  • Bla

    Turgon refers to “the leadership” of TUV deciding to run in the by-election. Could Turgon give us a run down of who eactly the leadership of TUV actually are? The UUP lists its officers on their website and everyone knows who the senior fugures in the DUP are. Aside from Jim Allister, who is leading this political party? Robin Stirling? Jack McKee? Davy Tweed?

  • Jo

    “After all Jim Allister was clear that he’d be happy in Government with SF by now”

    Quite correct – a salient fact which may have eluded some of his followers.

    He, or his candidate, should be pressed on that belief.

  • Fly on the wall

    “If you had the faintest idea about Dromore you would know that Mr. Harbinson doesn’t have a hope.”

    That was not the message Jeffrey gave us at the selection meeting on Friday night. He warned that the TUV could be a real threat and we must not be complacent. Take nothing for granted, I say.

  • Insider

    Interesting that though the DUP scriptwriters have been working overtime to describe Jim Allister as “irrelevant” and representing no one, that at Friday night’s DUP selection meeting Jeffrey Donaldson made a speech telling us how Jim Allister was a major threat to the DUP and had to be crushed at this election!

  • At the last election the DUP polled around the 48/49% mark. Given the fact that this is a mid-term byelection and there will inevitably be a protest vote, the DUP will want to poll 40% or above to claim victory.

    Nice spinning. Given that the DUP are generally qite good at getting their vote out as the turnout falls, and the UUP have completely forgotten how to run a ground war, anything less than a first count win would be slipping gently backwards.

    40% would indicate deep, serious, problems.

  • interested

    Isn’t it wonderful how all these oh-so in know ‘insiders’ all appear.

    Whatever Donaldson was saying he was motivating election workers – you don’t go to a meeting telling people that they really could put their feet up for the election campaign.

    We’ll see what the election delivers for Chairman Jim and his happy band of the mad, the bad and the downright strange. Lets hope we see all the various faces and views of the TUV on view during the election campaign. It should make for some interesting quotes if nothing else!

  • Bla

    Still no answer from Turgon. Come on, you’re a member. Give us a run-down on who the party (or should that be movement?) officers are.

  • Bigger Picture

    I think it is wrong to dismiss Keith Harbinson as mad or anything of the sort, in fact it is probably the best move Jim has made since his decision to quit. Make no mistake Harbinson is a smart, articulate guy who will come across as affable and sincere around Dromore and with his connections working in the town he will poll a respectable vote.

    In fact as a DUP voter I would actually like to see the TUV fire a shot across the bows of the DUP mothership in Dundela ave. Paisley is on the verge of consigning a group of voters to the TUV for good with his antics and the sooner the rest wise up to this foolishness the better. In that regard if it is a wake up call to the DUP then a small gain in the realm of local govt for the TUV could be there worst move.

  • Bigger Picture

    *their

  • darth rumsfeld

    Dearie me
    so many DUPers, so much nervousness. It muust be quiet up in Stormont this morning- all those MLAs’ assistants with time on their hands trying to win Timmy Johnston’s favour by posting.

    Yes of course the DUP will probably win the seat(with the largest spend on any by election since the S Antrim Westminster campaign and the stormtroopers from what remains of the Free P church descending en masse into poor Dromore methinks) but only because they’re now the nice soft focus UUP, as has been pointed out- Sammy Morse correct again (Eglais na hEireann amach![I think- you get the point though] BTW)
    Funny how all the people described as nutters here were once the bedrock of the DUP. They were useful enough once.
    Punt knows slippage is inevitable and the real challenge is to manage it- his local footsoldiers know this hence their lack of enthusiasm for a fight and Jeffrey’s pep talk to…er go out and strike a blow for Provos in government.

    What we really want to know is whether the Great Crocodile will bring his best pal Marty on the canvas, since he can’t do anything independently. I’m looking forward to the canvassers’ exchanges in the street already- “Where’s Martin?!” seems apposite for Jeffrey and his pals. I may just join TUV in order to go and shout it.

  • Bla

    David Brewster

    Never mind quite up at Stormont, it must be quiter still in Limavady. Nothing better to do with your time?

  • Bla

    quiet, not quite. Whoops!

  • Chuckle Vision

    “Never mind quite up at Stormont, it must be quiter still in Limavady. Nothing better to do with your time?”

    Quite! Often confused with quiet, Bla Bla.

  • Bla

    Chuckle Vision

    I corrected very quickly, but I now feel very ashamed – a spelling error and on an internet discussion site too! Oh dear!

  • Dewi

    Leader: Mr James Hugh Allister
    Nominating Officer: Mr James Hugh Allister
    Treasurer: Mr Robert James Kenneth Loughrin

    From their registration Bla.

  • Bla

    Deputy Chairman? Secretary? Press Officer? Who all is involved? Turgon you must be able to tell us?

  • Moe

    For something that is so irrelevant, it is interesting to note Bla’s obsession with its inner-workings.

    Perhaps he is of the same thinking as Jeffrey; that they must be crushed now or they will later regret it. No, sorry, he was only rallying the troops – silly me.

    But seriosuly, relax yourself Bla, it’s almost 5 o’clock and clocking out time – away down to Paul Stewart’s bar for a drink.

  • darth rumsfeld

    Well heavens above, the Stormont PAs are really out to rile ol’ uncle darth. Tiny Tim will be pleased.

    Easier to bluster when the case is weak of course.. I think lawyer Harbinson will be familiar with the dictum “case weak- shout loud”. You’re getting more and more like the Cunningplan House typing pool folks.

    It’s true to say that on those rare occasions when I’ve been in Limavady, it has been quiet.
    But I’m not from Limavady, much though it would be proud to claim me,as I have explained to the assorted juvenalia when it has deigned to debate me before. Look elsewhere for this modest cog in your nemesis,kids. I might even be a bishop.

    And when you’ve finished that task, answer the following question honestly
    “Which party does Sinn Fein want to win the by election?”
    Without question the Shinners will be keeping the fingers crossed for a thumping DUP win to steady the delicate nerves of their playmates.

    Following on then, who do they least want to win the by election?
    TUV, natch, as an Allisterite triumph scares the sheep- and their family and friends on the payroll- hence the flurry of posting from the vested interest vichies

    Me, I’ve always thought it was good idea not to do what your opponent wants. And if Mr Allister thought once that SF were fit partners in government on the fulfilment of certain conditions, I respectfully demur. That must make me an extremist, like …Terence O’Neill and Brian Faulkner, and just about every Unionist politician pre-1998. I’ll take that company.

    When I was learning politics in Mid Ulster and South Antrim Ulster Unionist Associations, I was always told to ignore the party you felt could do you damage if you got into debate with them. Pretend they were irrelevant and they would be. It seems this is a lesson lost on the DUPers, whose actions seem to suggest they are actually running scared.

    I mean, Jimmy Splatt wastes a whole speech criticising TUV for only being negative and not putting forward an alternative. Hullo!!! Where have you been since 1969 Jim? Dissing the Great Crocodile’s record and your last fifty manifestoes ain’t going to go down well.

  • methinks

    Insider/Flyonthewall,
    Tell us more. What else did Jeffrey tell you at the selection meeting.
    Did he tell you he was at MARK Harbinson’s wedding party? Yes, MARK HARBINSON’S!!!

  • Chuckle Vision

    Darth

    I like your style! But aren’t the stern faced young women in hats going to have a problem canvassing for a publican?

  • William

    David Brewster plz stand for election!

    I hope you get selected one day!

    Pity you didnt stand in Dromore! You could offer NI never mind Dromore so much!

  • DC

    It would be a form of unionist electoral correction if the TUV were to succeed here because there seems to be a large enough cohort of unhappy people now that Dr Paisley sold-out with smiles to the ultimate enemy.

    What’s the problems with another off-right party shooting out? Big deal, when has there ever been sole-party unionism.

    That’s democracy, get over it. Take difficult decisions expect difficult repercussions, got problems with that talk to the UUP and cry with them.

  • DC

    It would be a form of unionist electoral correction if the TUV were to succeed here because there seems to be a large enough cohort of unhappy people now that Dr Paisley sold-out with smiles to the ultimate enemy.

    What’s the problems with another off-right party shooting out? Big deal, when has there ever been sole-party unionism.

    That’s democracy, get over it. Take difficult decisions expect difficult repercussions, got problems with that talk to the UUP and cry with them.

  • Dewi

    But who is the candidate of change ?

    Strange, actually, that Change is such a popular concept. In my experience it’s the opposite that’s popular. I remember using “Coming Home” for Plaid in Islwyn in 1999 (After that catchy “Football’s coming home” and “Come home to a Real fire”). Dafydd Wigley was leaving Westminster to stand for the assembly so we said…”After 25 years in Westminster the finest politician of his generation is COMING HOME” (I quoted Wigley “I’d rather be a janitor in a Welsh Assembly than a Minister in Westminster” – made it up actually but he should have said it even if he didn’t)

    Anyway the point being:

    “Come Home to your Traditional Unionist Voice” might just have some resonance.

    (We won in 1999 by the way)

  • Ulster Observer

    See todays Newsletter?

    Wee Jim and Keith standing side by side at the War Memorial whilst Paul Stewart is flanked by MP’s David Simpson and Jeffery Donaldson.

  • William James

    What about the rest of the Newsletter?

    Under the photos, there is a big article about TUV slagging off DUP and vice versa. This is then followed by a smaller headline over a smaller article saying “More to election than unionist in-fighting – Ford”

    Could be an interesting question whether the good people of Dromore and district want to be used as a referendum on the actions of the DUP or whether they want to elect a Councillor.

  • 7 candidates: 5 main parties, TUV and Green.

  • darth rumsfeld

    …5 main parties?

    Now Sammy,let’s be objective about this. Talk it up as much as you want, yours is still a tiddler.
    I predict nothing for this bye election but that TUV gets more votes than APNI.

    I would remind the sceptics that when the 1979 European election shocked Ulster Unionism by Paisley winning his election coordinator was one J H Allister. His astute use of the Freedom of Information legislation to embarass Junior last night is an example of a tenacious and clever opponent-hence disproportionate DUP anxiety to crush TUV

    William- your enthusiasm almost makes me want to reveal my identity, but then you might be disappointed, when I turn out not to be the person you think I am. In fact I went to School in Dromore.

    As for offering much to NI, well I am getting on a bit, but if Nigel thinks the boy Healy could benefit from ny knockdowns I’ll give it a go

    Now, all you Stormont PAs and bloggers- answer my question “Who do Sinn Fein want to win the bye election?”- or are you all engaged in damage limitation today (except the ones from North Antrim natch) answering calls from local members asking ” what about our area’s shopping list?”

  • lib2016

    “Who do Sinn Fein want to win the bye election?”

    That sort of thinking is what has destroyed traditional unionism. If modern unionism can’t come up with a more positive message than this it is finished before it has even begun.

    In reality this is a win-win situation for republicans. Both unionist parties are tearing themselves apart over an issue, powersharing, over which which unionists have already lost control.

    The GFA is an accomplished fact and a small sectional majority for or against won’t change the minds of the three governments which forced it through the negotiating process and got the backing of the NI electorate as a whole.

    This is not an unknown phenonemon. The British Conservative Party performed hara-kiri in the early 90’s over the EU and in an earlier time Sinn Fein did the same over whether or not to recognise the Northern Courts.

    It’s up to unionists to find a solution they can live with rather than whipping up hysteria about what the bogey-man might think.

  • Bannsider

    Who do the Shinners want to win? Presumably a nationalist.

  • Now Sammy,let’s be objective about this. Talk it up as much as you want, yours is still a tiddler.
    I predict nothing for this bye election but that TUV gets more votes than APNI.

    I’m not predicting anything at all (I’m too busy trying to maximise our vote for that) but I’m glad to see I’ve already succeeded in ratting your cage, Darth…

  • Dewi

    “(I’m too busy trying to maximise our vote for that)”

    Sammy – do you use the phone – very good in local by elections – can get people from outside the ward to canvass without being recognised as “strangers”

  • Dromorer

    Local DUP members offering to sign a rival candidate’s nomination papers, and DUP elected representatives contacting a rival candidate to say they hope they do well to send a stark message to their own party.

    Could be an interesting election.