SF keeping disgruntled Kehoe quiet..?

RTE presenter Sean O’Rourke said on The Week In Politics that Sinn Fein is clearly embarrassed by some of the media fallout from its overall general election results. He was speaking after an interview with Nicky Kehoe was apparently cancelled by the SF press office. Kehoe narrowly missed out on a TDs seat in 2002, but was replaced by MEP Mary-Lou McDonald in this year’s general election in Dublin Central. The vote dropped 5%. SF deny they pulled Kehoe.

  • Shore Road Resident

    “Just a provisional agreement” – *chortle*

  • Mayoman
  • TGB

    Nicky Kehoe gave an interview to an Phoblacht on Thursday past, dismissing claims that he was, disgruntled, leavbing the party or being sidelined, he said that there was misscheif making going on in the media.

  • agh

    mayoman

    every man and his dog knows loyalist and republican paramilitries are up to their noses in money laundering, bank robbing, drugs, punishment beatings,murder etc etc etc, time to move on…

  • DaithiO

    TGB, since when has the truth got in the way of a little media mischief making?

    Nothing more than a some shite-mongering is basis for a story in the north with the West Brit Independent types and the Newshund (deliberate typo) journalists can lazily fill in the gaps and retire for a poorly earned shandy.

    Must be true, read it in the Sun, Star, Mirror etc. Is it f**k! You know the score.

  • DaithiO

    For Newshund read Newsplutter. Got carried away!

  • Mayoman

    Agh! And every paramilitary leader admits it? Agh indeed!!

  • PeteMc

    Nicky has left due to the standing down of some of his close comrades in the IRA by the Nordies to be replaced by the bright new things in SF. That is the truth not mischief making – if Provos do not want to see the wood for the trees that is there game – Nicky is not disgruntled and it is my understanding he wishes the party all the best but it is not the republican movement he joined – for better or worse – so if the little Provo echo chambers on this site would get on with building their party and accept the changes that are occurring instead of burying their heads in the little Gerry dreamworld that is up to them.

  • Joey

    Quite bizarre when you have southern Irishmen and women talking about SF. Something strange happens: having for the most part of our lives distrusted and looked with dubious eyes on their various activities, something about the slick, southern Irish, avaricious, American-style political world makes SF look a) trustworthy b) principled. It’s one of the few times I ever sympathize with them.
    All the silly pronouncements like Haughey’s smug nonsense about socialism being ‘un-Irish’ spring to mind. I suppose ‘Irishness’ was defined to old Charlie as shoring up money and pounding levels of corruption. In some ways social democracy and radicalism is alien to Ireland of course, but it shouldn’t be. How on earth can anyone make SF seem radical and reasonable at the same time? The gagging hypocrites and synthetic hobknobbers down south managed it somewhere along the line.

  • have a read of the following as an example of the state of the media (print or otherwise) in RoI…

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1106/lawlorl.html

    Tabloid jurnalism at it worst… and the judge only gave the poor woman E500k – not much of a wrist slap there. Did Sir Beans not have to get up on the stand and apologise ?

  • Cromwell

    “Nothing more than a some shite-mongering is basis for a story in the north with the West Brit Independent types and the Newshund (deliberate typo) journalists can lazily fill in the gaps and retire for a poorly earned shandy.”

    Can we have an actual definition of “West Brit”, is it just anyone who disagrees with the republican movement, or has the audacity to challenge it?
    Can I have some examples? I’ve even heard Terry Wogan referred as one by Barry McElhuff.
    Are all unionists West Brits?

  • Wiki gives a good break out of the phrase…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Brit

    I don’t consider unionists west brits but british in Irel. I think a west brit is one who grew up in Irel, under an Irish govt, educated in Irish schools etc but in most ways they have shunned everything Irish in favour of everything British.

    This is not irish-thing but a british-thing! If they find so much abhorrant about Ireland then why don’t they look to European or USA culture. But no… it’s only London, the home counties, that (Hugh Grant) accent/mannerism, the Irish Times / Guardian, Ross O’Carroll Kelly etc. It’s frequently found in Dublin but most comically it’s a mode of the landed folk from outside Dublin.

    In relation to the national question FG and the PD’s are infested with WB’s as it was those who wanted the War of Independance to end so they could get back to doing what they did best… their horses/jodpurs, trips to London, being Castle-Catholics / shoneens etc.

    To nationalist in the Wee Six, WB’s are dispicable for their love of all things gentry of Old Blighty while ignoring Irish people having to endure British military – populated by the xenophobic of Engerland & Scotland or the unionist unemployable of NI commissioned in the UDR.

  • Gum

    Cromwell, from my understanding, a ‘west brit’ is someone who ‘ought’ to sympathetic to the cause of a free Ireland but instead enjoys trappings of the british presence in Ireland and argues for the maintenance of the union. Therefore, unionists should not be described as ‘west brits’ as their default position is not ‘expected’ to be in favour of the union.

  • DaithiO

    Thanks Gum, your definition is pretty good.

    Cromwell: “Can I have some examples? I’ve even heard Terry Wogan referred as one by Barry McElhuff.”

    Would that be Sir Terry Wogan?

  • Cromwell

    Thanks Anon. & Gum,

    Personally I’d refer to myself as Northern Irish.

    Do you really get Irish people arguing for the maintenance of the Union, from which angle, would it be mainly economic?
    I would’ve thought most Irish people from whichever nationalist political spectrum would be romantically in favour of a United Ireland.

    I suppose you’ve got to expect some sort of cultural seepage from a larger country such as GB, in a global sense it probably punches well above its weight.

  • Cromwell

    “Would that be Sir Terry Wogan?”

    I’d imagine even Sir Terry of Flora might favour a united Ireland.

    Is Dana a West Brit, she sang on that Nothern Ireland World Cup song, or is she just a “splitter”?

  • nmc

    I too associate the term with Catholic Irish people who shun Irish culture, and have a preference for british culture and maintenance of the union. The term castle-catholic I had always thought meant the same thing.

    The reasons given by most Irish catholic people who are in favour of the union tend to be economic reasons, although the maintenance of the status quo is always attractive to some. The only example I can think of off the top of my head is an old (catholic) school friend who joined the PSNI a year or two ago. His would be an example of an economic argument.

  • Gum-

    ” Therefore, unionists should not be described as ‘west brits’ as their default position is not ‘expected’ to be in favour of the union.”

    But surely all people are created equal, and should therefore be treated equally and held to the same standards. Just because, by accident of birth, someone happens to be Catholic surely doesn’t therefore mean they should be judged differently from those born into Protestantism (which I’m assuming is the only way one can differentiaite between who ought to be seen as ‘West Brits’ as opposed to simple unionists based on the political outlook they choose to adhere to.)

    I’m no fan of the old ‘West Brits’ myself, but it seems a lazy phrase that tends to be used to attack those who don’t subscribe to a certain political outlook.

  • Gum

    El Mat, I dont use the phrase myself – I was just giving what I always understood the perjorative term to mean.

  • DK

    Given that people born in Britain (that’s the England, Scotland and Wales part) are the biggest minority in the Republic there are a lot of people that the phrase “west Brit” potentially offends – especially since it is always used in a derogatory manner. It’s essentially a way of saying “you’re not properly Irish” and isn’t really so far removed from racism. And given history here, it’s only a short step from “West Brit” to “legitimate Target”.

  • nmc

    The use of the term West-Brit seems to me to have a connotation of being a traitor or turncoat. Obviously that wouldn’t apply to a Unionist but could to a catholic in favour of the Union. I think that’s why the term exists in the first place.

  • lib2016

    For me the term ‘West-Brit’ always carried the connotation that one had gone beyond the ‘Castle Catholic’ stage to aping the manners and particularly the accent of the Brits.

    The most celebrated instance would be Bruton’s reply when asked to comment on the Peace Process.

  • agh

    Surely the ROI is just an extension of britain? Irish culture is dominated by British newspapers, magazines, TV, radio, film, shops, music and perhaps most significantly sport. certainly, everone is proud to be Irish, but there is no denying that British culture is having an ever increasing impact on young irish people. The sooner the 2 nations hook up again the better!

  • Joey

    This West Brit debate –
    It would seem in the classic sense to be a denial of the Irish Nation, thus the term the ‘British Isles’ or West Britain.
    Historically it represents those for the maintenance of the Union who saw Dublin taking its place as Britain’s second capital after London. Those who saw the Empire conquered and propagated by Irishmen (e.g. Wellington), partaking in the Empire’s rewards and profits. 42% of the ‘British soldiers in the Battle of Waterloo (1815) being Irish, and high levels of Irish soldiers for another century. The term does not signify a Unionist supporter necessarily.

  • BonarLaw

    Cromwell

    “Are all unionists West Brits?”

    No, we’re just Brits.

  • Acer

    Didn’t Brendan Behan define a West Brit as a Protestant with a horse?

  • Joey

    That was an Anglo-Irishman – Monsewer.

  • “ Do you really get Irish people arguing for the maintenance of the Union, from which angle, would it be mainly economic?
    I would’ve thought most Irish people from whichever nationalist political spectrum would be romantically in favour of a United Ireland. “
    in the RoI? never ever at all at all. You’d find people more willing to speak about anything in preference to speaking about that ridiculous scenario. Volunteering to return to a period of servitude and exploitation? Ask a battered wife I she’d chosen the life she ended up living.

    Romantically in favour – no, well maybe some few romantics. Realistically in favour – of course, just count the number of Six County Protestants in the Celtic Tiger capital at the IFSC etc. Better economy, better (non –sectarian / xenophobic) society, internationally respected with the added benefit of removing the blot of official, systematic sectarianism from the map of Europe. We shouldn’t wait for 2016, get it over and done with now (you know Westminister wants it too).

    “…some sort of cultural seepage from a larger country such as GB, in a global sense it probably punches well above its weight. “

    No. Otherwise we’d be speaking French or German – they’re larger and also neighbours. I think the Westminster govts of old kept the Beeb as propaganda organ to promote their Empire as a benevolent commonwealth of equal nations in mutually beneficial economics. To the contrary their Empire was exploitive then as it is now (for Iraqi oil). British finger prints are all over the worlds trouble spots from Palestine to Afganistan and thro’out Africa and SouthEast Asia.

    I don’t think Britan punchs above it’s weight but that the impression put out their by the Beeb. Also, since WW1, they are intrinsically linked in economic terms with the worlds dominant power… but it’s not all about ‘the filthy lucre’.

    To me, the British culture has meant misunderstanding the Irish Question, pompousness / arrogence, hooliganism, Victoria Beckham wh0re-style, chav / spide / knacker behaviour

  • DK @ 05:05 PM wrote” Given that people born in Britain (that’s the England, Scotland and Wales part) are the biggest minority in the Republic there are a lot of people that the phrase “west Brit” potentially offends – especially since it is always used in a derogatory manner. It’s essentially a way of saying “you’re not properly Irish” and isn’t really so far removed from racism. And given history here, it’s only a short step from “West Brit” to “legitimate Target”.

    Of course not. You don’t seem to have read what was written on this thread. The term doesn’t seem to refer to people born in Britain or those from NI who were raised in the British culture (schools, churches, telly, sports). The term seems to refer to those who, altho’ born Irish chose to abandon their Irishness in favour for some perceived benefit in being seem as British. It’s the opposite of Plastic Paddy… no biggie but be careful in what company you use the terms.

    It not a way of saying “you’re not properly Irish” but a way of saying you have jettisoned everything from the Irish society that you grew with in favour of everything British. Nothing racist but recognizing someone’s acceptance of Britishness (I thought you’d be in favour of that). A short step to …..the subject being one of humour. Answer me this… why are poor people with non conforming behaviour called looney while rich ones would be described as eccentric?

  • harry

    west Brit….
    you know.. like, members of the South Down and LondonDerry party. they are all west brits

  • Joey

    The old British and Ulster Unionist argument against Irish independence that the Irish ‘wouldn’t be able to manage the economy’ – particularly in relation to industry, the suggestion being it would favour the agricultural sphere – does seem pretty ridiculous in light of how wealthy the place is now.
    The differences between British and Irish culture are enormous in so many ways too voluminous to mention, and anyone who claims the cultures re the same has likely never been anywere near the South of Ireland. For starters it’s more American and European than British. This ain’t always good, but as said above there is some kind of quality in the culture which in Britain has been decimated by Thatcherism’s impact.

  • Cromwell

    Anon,

    “in the RoI? never ever at all at all. You’d find people more willing to speak about anything in preference to speaking about that ridiculous scenario. Volunteering to return to a period of servitude and exploitation? Ask a battered wife I she’d chosen the life she ended up living.”

    Thats pretty fine MOPERY, but you should maybe read my post again, “maintenance” as in the union of Northern Ireland & the UK, as it is at the moment, not as it was, you can hardly maintain something which hasnt existed for 80 odd years.
    Dont let that get in the way of your extended gurn added to wishful thinking.

    “pompousness / arrogence, hooliganism, Victoria Beckham wh0re-style, chav / spide / knacker behaviour”

    None of that in the good old Oirish Republic then?
    Hold on.

  • “None of that in the good old Oirish Republic then? ”

    indeed there is that pompous / arrogent air amongst those who waffle about their expensive houses and cars in Rip Off Ireland. Doesn’t seem in line with the quiet, non reveling behaviour that I was familiar w growing up. Back then, people wouldn’t give anyone a straight answer while now all they do is discuss salary’s, house prices ad nauseum. “Awwrigh’ mate, loadsa money in the City. Bling, bling”

    Equally but opposingly so the eircom soccer hooligan element and the V. Beckham-esque tatooed slappers with their Argos clad knacker boyfriends can be found thro’out Irel (rural and city). Not that I expect to see ‘maidens dancing at the crossroads’ but the knacker lifestyle being accepted as a norm is beyond me. Tracksuits are for sportsmen/women, tight clothes shouldn’t be worn by anyone older that 30… look at clothing in Milan or France for something to emulate, not Eastenders.

  • Frank Sinistra

    They’ve lost Tom Pringle in Donegal now. I retain more water than they do Cllrs.

  • Turgon

    Anonymous,
    You seem to be conflating two different things you disapprove of. You dislike the “West Brits” and have described them as follows

    “But no… it’s only London, the home counties, that (Hugh Grant) accent/mannerism, the Irish Times / Guardian, Ross O’Carroll Kelly etc. It’s frequently found in Dublin but most comically it’s a mode of the landed folk from outside Dublin.”

    This seems to be an atccack on a particular form of upper middle class and upper class mentality. One which may or may not exist.

    Then we have an attack on “hooliganism, Victoria Beckham wh0re-style, chav / spide / knacker behaviour ” or indeed “Tracksuits are for sportsmen/women, tight clothes shouldn’t be worn by anyone older that 30… look at clothing in Milan or France for something to emulate, not Eastenders.”

    The second pair of quotes seems to describe “West brit” as more working class people with some money and annoying.

    Which is it? Or is it that all the societal things you do not like are grouped together as “West Brit” or otherwise “British” and bad. Whatever you say there seems to be the impression that you wish to return to some sort of mythical “golden age” of Irishness. A sort of DeValera but with some propserity Ireland.

    Some of this I am afraid is rather reminicent of petit bourgoise snobbery against the poor and inverted snobbery against the rich.

    What about the undenibly cultured things about “West Brits” and indeed the British or do they have no culture to be approved of?

    Incidentally are you the anonymous from the USA or a different one?

  • Reader

    The term “West Brit…”
    The Nationalist equivalent of the term Lundy, indicating just as much insecurity and narrow mindedness.

  • I wrote
    @ 03:52 PM “.. WB’s are dispicable for their love of all things gentry of Old Blighty…”
    where I expressed that I believe that WB’s have a love for all things ‘To the Manor Born’ and ‘Brideshead Revisited’ and feel that this is English culture.

    While I wrote @ 05:48 PM about my opinion of a lot of Engerlisch culture in reply to Cromwell’s posting “…some sort of cultural seepage from a larger country such as GB, in a global sense it probably punches well above its weight. “. In this I wrote about the stereotypical knacker culture. At no time did I describe this as related to West Brit’ness in my view.

    What’s hard for you to understand there? Stereotypical west brit is “Brideshead Revisited’ while knacker is chav… neither is them I like although both completely different from each other.

    “you wish to return to some sort of mythical “golden age” of Irishness. A sort of DeValera but with some propserity Ireland.”

    EEhhh, I’d mentioned “the maidens dancing at the cross roads” in the negative. Yet you take this coming from me in the positive…!!! Reminder to myself… next time I’ll try and write in black and white typeset and forget about this troublesome invisible ink I seem to be using. TIC.

  • Turgon

    anonymous,
    Your attitudes do I am afraid seem sterotypical of snobbery against the poor who have got above themselves and inverted snobbery against the “West brit” upper / upper middle class.

    So is there anything good about “West brit” culture or about British culture?

    And are you anonymous from the USA?

  • Turgon

    Yes I agree you do not want “maidens dancing at the cross roads”. Maybe it is maidens at the disco dancing to Irish pop music provided they are not wearing track suits.

  • “Some of this I am afraid is rather reminicent of petit bourgoise snobbery against the poor and inverted snobbery against the rich. “

    There a lot about the middle class (and the educated poor, PAYE workers, the middle managers) that I don’t like either but this thread has moved onto west brit so I’ll stick to that, if you don’t mind. This site is about politics and SOCIETY so I think I should be allowed post… no ? It’s still a free country… isn’t it ?

    Lets put it this way… I dislike stereotypes (incl west brits and knackers) and pref individualism.

    “What about the undenibly cultured things about “West Brits” and indeed the British or do they have no culture to be approved of? “

    I guess I’ll leave it up to you to start that thread.

  • “politics and SOCIETY ”

    that, of course, should have been “politics and CULTURE”

  • Turgon

    anonymous,
    You dislike sterotypes yet castigate people as “West Brits”. So the following is not sterotyping but describing an individual

    “This is not irish-thing but a british-thing! If they find so much abhorrant about Ireland then why don’t they look to European or USA culture. But no… it’s only London, the home counties, that (Hugh Grant) accent/mannerism, the Irish Times / Guardian, Ross O’Carroll Kelly etc. It’s frequently found in Dublin but most comically it’s a mode of the landed folk from outside Dublin.
    In relation to the national question FG and the PD’s are infested with WB’s as it was those who wanted the War of Independance to end so they could get back to doing what they did best… their horses/jodpurs, trips to London, being Castle-Catholics / shoneens etc.”

    It does not look like describing an individuals but a large group of people whom you paint as all very similar ie a stereotype.

    The same goes for
    “hooliganism, Victoria Beckham wh0re-style, chav / spide / knacker behaviour ” and “Tracksuits are for sportsmen/women, tight clothes shouldn’t be worn by anyone older that 30… look at clothing in Milan or France for something to emulate, not Eastenders.”

    You are doing some pretty serious sterotyping for someone who dislikes doing it.

    “This site is about politics and SOCIETY so I think I should be allowed post… no ? It’s still a free country… isn’t it ?”

    I never said you should not post. All I did was suggest you were showing snobbery and inverted snobbery at the same time. Not an uncommon trait. I also asked if you were the anonymous from the USA. Are you?

    In terms of cultured things of the West brits I asked if you could suggest any to possibly assuage their clear cultural awfulness?

    If you want some cultured people who might be so described: I guess Oscar Wilde, Samuel Beckett, Yeates has some West Brit tendancies I guess, even James Joyce had a few. Even Sean O’Casey began life as a “West Brit” though I guess he “reformed”. In the modern times Wogan is part of popular culture whether one likes it or not and I guess he might be a “West Brit”. As might Bob Geldof. Even Bono may have tendancies in that regard.

  • AArrrggghhh!!

    1. I dislike stereotypes.
    2. I dislike those that follow / conform to the stereotypes.
    3. I think those who conform to pigeon-hole’ing (like west brits and knackers) are stupid.
    4. I think everyone had individuality. If some allow themsleves be stereotyped at the expense of individuality they are foolish.

    “All I did was suggest you were showing snobbery and inverted snobbery at the same time. ”

    by posting about the middle class I showed you that I’m not… but that doesn’t seem to register.

    I wrote “I guess I’ll leave it up to you to start that thread.”

    Oscar Wilde, Samuel Beckett, Yeates, James Joyce,
    Sean O’Casey: why these? I never thought of them as wb. Religion isn’t a factor as has been posted be others.

    Bono… !!! Jesus wept… he loves to talk about his working class Dublin roots… Ballyer etc. “Look at dese hands… I shoudda been a carpenter”. Always had a tri colour nearby when he was on stage.
    OOppps… do you mean the band started off in a Protestant school..?
    Religion doesn’t come into it

    Sports & Entertain:
    Terry Wogan
    Bob Geldof

    Media:
    Sir AJ ‘Beans’ O’Reilly
    Conor Cruise O’Brien
    Geraldine Kennedy
    Bruce Arnold
    Fintan O’Toole
    Kevin Meyers
    Ruth Dudley Edwards

    Politics:
    Most Fine Gael and nearly all PDs

    I hear you say that ‘most of these are the famous people of Irish society’ !??! However they are only well known in their own circle and in Britain. How many are known in continental Europe, USA etc? How many are respected by the majority of RoI?

    When you compare with, let’s say, the film industry’s … Liam Neeson, Colin Farrell, Gabrial Byrne, Brenda Fricker, Richard Harris, Fionnuala Flanagan, Cillian Murphy, Jim Sheridan, Neil Jordan . Most GAA players and musicians such as The Chieftans, U2, Oasis,

  • veritas

    would that include all the supporters of “foreign” games like Celtic supporters,or is this just getting away from the fact that Kehoe is pissed off because the northerners parachuted mary lou in to fight the seat because of her high profile and she done such a good job at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

  • veritas

    aren’t oasis fom manchester?

  • Turgon

    Anonymous,
    You dislike stereotypes and those who conform to them. Stereotypes tend to only really function in the mind of those who fit people into the stereotype. Do you not notice a logical disconnect between those two positions? Is it not possible that you are stereotyping people as conforming to stereotypes?

    In terms of “West Brits” it seems anyone you do not like and has anything to do with Britain is a “West Brit”.

    By the way James Joyce was actually a Roman Catholic.

    I presume you are the anonymous from USA. As such to denounce people for having close contacts with an island less than a hundred miles away when you are three thousand miles away is a touch ironic.

    And by the way you never did tell me whether or not the Fenian invasion of Canada was morally correct.

  • darth rumsfeld

    If only the Government of Ireland Act had renamed the wee six “West Britain” instead of “Northern Ireland” things would have been so much tidier…..where’s the marketing men when you need them?

  • DK

    “42% of the ‘British soldiers in the Battle of Waterloo (1815) being Irish”

    Well, “British” were the minority in that battle, with most coming from assorted German states and a large number from the Netherlands. And if you count the Prussians who arrived in the latter half of the battle then the minority is even more pronounced.

    Of the “British” infantry: the order of battle shows 5 Scottish and 1 Welsh batallion but only 1 Irish. The bulk are English counties. 42% is probably a myth, although Wellington was born in Ireland so that’s something.

  • Cromwell

    “although Wellington was born in Ireland so that’s something”

    His famous retort to being called Irish was ” being born in a stable does not make one a horse”.

  • Joey

    And ‘ours is composed of the scum of the earth’ – Wellington on his own army.

    ‘Of the “British” infantry: the order of battle shows 5 Scottish and 1 Welsh batallion but only 1 Irish. The bulk are English counties.’ –
    Not quite sure you’re aware that the English counties were frequently buffered and staffed with fairly vast numbers of Irish troops. The make-up of the British Army, indeed most armies, is NOT local. Battalions pool soldiers from all corners of the said nation, e.g. not all Scots Guards were Scottish. Thought this was common knowledge, but perhaps not. The Empire desired its best soldiers would hail from Scotland -tough, rugged moutaining types- though in reality the far higher ‘Celtic’ minority were the Irish. At the battle of Waterloo about 42% of these 24,000 were Irish. As said before.

  • DK

    “At the battle of Waterloo about 42% of these 24,000 were Irish.”

    Would seriously question this for the pride of the Scots and Welsh alone, never mind the oft-despised English – who according to you must have been a minority in their own army. Suspect you have your own rather pointless anti-English agenda, so bang away if it makes you feel better – xenophobia is such a comfort. Most troops at Waterloo were German anyway – and Waterloo was forced by the presence of Austro-Hungarians and Russians, so we should credit them too.

    But I think that you are missing a more important point – since this 42% fought for Britain doesn’t that make them all West Brits?

  • Rory (South Derry)

    People

    Lets get back to the article on Nicky Kehoe!

    Nicky Kehoe was and is a staunch irish republican who has acted on many fronts for the cause over the years and has had a belly full of the PROVO retohric ans spin.

    He joins a long line of Dublin born or based Republicans, Dessie Ellis, Sean Brady, Derek Sweetman, Cecil Johnstone, Sean Crowe and others who are totally disolutioned with the GANGSTER element of New Ireland (Re-partitioned) Sinn Fein and are left out on limb by the TALKERS in Belfast.

    Real Republicans such as any of the above named wouldn’t darken the door of the New Provo leadership (or is it lack of leadership)?

    After all was the WAR not fought on an All-Ireland front not a Belfast EGO trip?

  • Joey

    The rigours and stringecy of a good education are everything. Some have it while others don’t. But a study of history always helps.

  • CTN

    That is quite an array of names Rory- I know that similar non criminal, dyed in the wool type of people have already walked away from Dublin SF but have these particular men made public their alleged disillusionment or have you heard it on the grapevine?