Loyal orders present a different side…

THE News Letter highlights the irony of Dunloy Accordian Band marching in the Lord Mayor’s Show in London, although it can’t actually march through the village it is named after. The Mayor of London is hardly what you’d call sympathetic to unionism either! Elsewhere, the Orange Order continues its outreach by distributing cartoon pocket guides (pictured) on its history to 20,000 schoolchildren across Northern Ireland. David Scott, Orange Order education officer, said: “We wanted to produce in-your-pocket guides that were colourful and a bit of fun. We hope they will help schoolchildren at the key stage two and three understand more about the Order, in particular for their study of history and citizenship. People now want to understand more about each other’s culture and traditions and we hope these will be a success.” Wonder if any Catholic or integrated schools will be using them. You can see pdfs of the comic strip guide here and here.

  • Mark

    The Lord Mayor of London and the Mayor of London are different people. Ken is directly elected as Mayor of (greater) London, the Lord Mayor is the chairman of the council which covers the much smaller City of London.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Oops! Thanks for that.

  • Todd

    Is anybody going to do a Post on The 400th Anniversary of the Flight of the Earls ? Or did I miss it…

  • After recent events the only part of the loyal orders I want to see is their backs as they toddle off into the sunset and dissapear.

  • Bla

    Pounder

    Ah nice trendy liberal APNI supporter showing just how liberal APNI really is.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    First time I’ve heard APNI described as “trendy”, but sure..!

  • overhere

    two questions:

    1: Does it make any reference to the Pope financing and blessing Billy

    2 What is APNI

    Ta
    Seán

  • Diomedes

    Alliance Party of Northern Ireland

  • DoireLondaín

    Surely these flyers wont be going out to any schools as they are historically inaccurate. I thought it was known as the Siege of Derry? Flame away 😉

  • smcgiff

    It wouldn’t take too much changes to a few key words to turn around the tone of the booklets. And queen Mary looks like a right babe!

    But, of course, what everybody wants to know is how they got associated with the bowler hats and umbrellas.

    The OO has a lot to be proud of (from a certain point of view), but the bowlers and umbrellas?!?

  • darth rumsfeld

    “Is anybody going to do a Post on The 400th Anniversary of the Flight of the Earls ?”

    It’s been indefinitely delayed since they booked the flight with Ryanair….

  • darth rumsfeld

    bowler or coke hats were worn by foremen in the shipyard and factories in the late 19th century and came to be associated with respectability (stop smirking at the back)

    umbrellas…it’s founded in Ireland and you have to ask . If it originated in Fiji we’d wear grass skirts

  • Pounder

    Ah nice trendy liberal APNI supporter showing just how liberal APNI really is.
    Posted by Bla on Oct 31, 2007 @ 01:29 PM

    My view is my own and does not reprsent the views of the entire Alliance Party, because unlike unionist clone parties we are not all required to act like good little clones of the dinosaurs before us. David Ford and the rest of the party leadership encourage the youth wing to be as individual as we like. However the APNI does have a very strong policy on sectarianism and how much your vaunted traditions cost this society.

    As for my opinions on the Orange Order they are mainly based on having been a member from I was 17 until I was 21 when I realised that the entire order was founded on hypocrisy. I did my three degrees and was an officer in my lodge and a chaplin in the Apprentice Boys of Derry, but sure what would I know about it.

  • Bla

    Pounder

    We’ll have to take your word for that – when last I checked there were only 2 degrees involved with the Orange Order. As for your other rant,it displays just how tolerant you are. Typical APNI-type. If only everyone thought like you the world would be a better place and those of us who don’t think like you should just f- off!

  • Like I say what do I know. As for the degrees, Orange, Purple and Arch-Purple. My math skills may be off but I count that as 3.

    Explain what part of my rant was wrong, the Grand Orange Lodge of [i]Ireland[/i] is an institution which honours the contribution of King William of Orange, the same King William who was backed by the Pope and came with a Dutch Army (The Dutch Blue Guard if memory serves) who where mostly catholic, yet rules of the GOLI prevent members from attending mass, from standing sponsor of a catholics child and from allowing it’s members to marry catholics. So here is the news flash, I’m intollerant to people who are intollerant. In no part have I said that there is no place for people who don’t think like me, I actually made the point that my parties leadership welcomes differing view points.

    I do feel that if more people where like the Alliance party this country would be better off, better off to the tun of a £1.5 Billion according to the supressed Deloite report.

    But like I say what would I know, it’s not like I’m some troll posting under a fake email address, my email address and website address are there to see.

  • eranu

    did the phrase “the third degree” originate in the OO then? 🙂

  • Seán

    This book is a complete joke. These people are only happy when they are sucking up to their english masters. What a bunch of slaves. Tis high time that this sort of thing was kicked out of Ireland altogether.

    Seán.
    Limerick.

  • audley

    If the OO are going to produce a leaflet, they should least tell the whole truth. Ridiculous.

    Still they’ll be too busy trying to intimidate the Chinese community in the coming weeks to worry about little things such as facts.

    Vermin

  • Nevin

    “I did my three degrees and was an officer in my lodge and a chaplin in the Apprentice Boys of Derry”

    Pounder, you seem a right Charlie …

  • Separated at birth?

    Is it just my eye-sight, or is there an implied likeness shared by Dan Winter on this sheet and a certain MP for West Belfast?

    Surely we should be told?

  • Suilven

    ‘This book is a complete joke. These people are only happy when they are sucking up to their english masters. What a bunch of slaves. Tis high time that this sort of thing was kicked out of Ireland altogether.

    Seán.
    Limerick.’

    Jeez – it’s like Groundhog Day in here. Why don’t you just change ‘kicked’ to ‘burned’ and we’ll be in the papers again…

  • ND

    Looked at the cartoons, I think that if they are being sent to every school by the oo then they’ll make good sources for the study of history. They are attempts to write a history and any decent school will approach the study of these documents critically, what am i being told? why am i being told? who by? what else is said about this story?

    A good school will lead pupils through all versions of history and teach the different accounts of the time through primary sources and what have you. Learning History is surely more about learning the ability to critique, consider, compare and occasionally conclude, removing the story from just the punchline?

    Aside from the use to schools I find the content interesting. The OO is definitely in a process of change, it has no choice because these islands have had a huge change in the last ten years, much of which is only beginning to seep under our front doors but is going to change our approach to identity politics forever.

    The OO seems from the outside to be all about the politics of identity, it’s culture of Lodges, Brotherhood and marches expressions of identity and solace in identity.

    I can’t predict a future for NI but my sense is that behind the economic change, social and cultural change is inevitable.

  • Mandys Nose

    “I did my three degrees”

    When will I see you again…?

    Oh dear

    I’ll get me sash.

  • Billy

    Do these guides mention the “loyalist” terrorists in the OO and it’s failure to expel them?

    Do they mention the fact that the OO amended it’s rules this year to prevent people with certain types of convictions (paeophiles etc) from joining
    and to expel current members who are convicted of the crimes? However, their rules still DO NOT prevent anyone convicted of “loyalist” terrorism/murder from joining nor to expel any current members convicted of these things.
    In fact, the OO “leadership” have conceded that their are convicted “loyalist” terrorists in it’s ranks and yet they have done NOTHING to remove them.

    Do the guides mention the OO lodges that, year after year, carry banners and hire bands celebrating “loyalist” sectarian murderers?

    Do they mention that fact that the OO “leadership” never take any action against the Lodges who have the banners/bands commemorating “loyalist” sectarian terrorism?

    Do they mention the fact that the OO “leadership” has an ambiguous attitude to “loyalist” terrorism and never unreservedly condemns it?

    Perhaps, there has been a typing error and these facts have been magically omitted?

  • PeaceandJustice

    Seán – “Tis high time that this sort of thing was kicked out of Ireland altogether.”

    Sounds like a threat to me. Another one for the police investigation?

  • veritas

    maybe they will put a picture of Harryville chapel on the front of the next one.

  • Gréagóir O’ Frainclín

    “We wanted to produce in-your-pocket guides that were colourful and a bit of fun.” so says David Scott.

    The history itself was hardly ‘a bit of fun,’ with the countless loss of lives and the division and turmoil that befell Ireland. Next up, in-your-pocket guides depicting ‘the Great Famine’, ‘the Battle of the Somme’, ‘the Troubles’, etc…

    Hollywood stuff, a bit like the new Elizabeth I movie, all fluffy and eye candy!

  • Outsider

    Gréagóir O’ Frainclín

    The OO can’t win if it wasn’t a bit of fun these books would have been accused of being too dour.

    I can’t tolerate people who come onto these boards claiming to be ex lodge members and use this to bash the institution, it tells me all I need to know about that person.

  • And therein lies your problem Outsider. Like so many OO supporters your mouth is wide open and your ears shut. You criticise me simply because I criticise the OO but you failed misserably to address what I criticise. You also tried to insuate that I wasn’t actually a member of any lodge, I was a member of LOL 1300 Rising Sons of India based in Sandy Row, but because it doesn’t suit your narrow view. Which tells me all I need to know about you.

  • Declan Church

    I love the way when I clicked on the link to the PDF of the pocket guide, our office’s web filter denied access on the grounds that the Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland’s website is categorised “occult”…..