BNP backs loyalist bandsman…


THE Irish News reports that loyalists have applied to hold a demonstration in south Belfast next month in support of Pride of the Raven flute band (see vid) official George Spence, after he received a letter from Alliance MLA Anna Lo (pictured). Spence said he believed the letter – sent after the Chinese Assembly member received a complaint from a nurse that she couldn’t get to work during a previous parade – had put his life in danger, as the envelope had his name and the band’s on the front. The BNP has taken up his case, saying “pseudo-politician” Ms Lo is “is not fit for purpose”. Up to 40 bands and 3,200 participants are expected to march a circuitous route to take in Belfast’s loyalist Donegall Pass, also home to a large number of Chinese people. The Parades Commission might not see this as conducive to good community relations – although this would be the first time that it would be a non-nationalist/republican community being wound up. Ms Lo, who apologised to Mr Spence, said: “This parade is having to make a major detour just to go through Donegall Pass. People feel it’s for no other reason than to show the Chinese community who’s boss.” A spokesman for the rally’s organisers denied that the parade would intimidate either Mrs Lo or the Chinese community. “The fact that Anna Lo is Chinese is irrelevant to the issue at hand,” he said. The news comes after a day after Robert Spence, a thug who helped attack a house full of Polish workers on south Belfast’s Donegall Road, was jailed for six years.

  • snakebrain

    “Spence said he believed the letter – sent after the Chinese Assembly member received a complaint from a nurse that she couldn’t get to work during a previous parade – had put his life in danger, as the envelope had his name and the band’s on the front.”

    What precisely was the danger to his life? Rival bands with a murderous twist? Has there ever been a case of sectarian murder of a band organiser post-ceasefire (or even pre-)?

    I suspect they’re a bunch of bullies who are going out of their way to throw their weight around the Chinese community. BNP endorsement doesn’t make my suspicion any weaker.

  • I’m with snakebrain in trying to figure out how this letter put this man’s life in danger… because it identified him? Because it identified him as a member of a band? Wouldn’t he being a member of a band that holds public parades/marches do that all by itself?

    I do love the BNP’s blog post headline:
    “Immigrant MLA puts local mans security in jeopard”

    Such masterful command of their country’s language, which is something they’re obviously quite keen to protect from “foreign invaders”.

  • just so you know.

    During the week I went to the university area to go to the talk on unionism and I was in the restraunt/church at the back of the university when anna lo came in, with a guy. They wanted to see if the food had arrived for their party, and it seems the alliance party was having a meeting there in the back of the church. which seemed a bit odd. now we know why, obviously she has rallied alliance party support for this move, and to break this story via the irish news this morning. It was no coincidence that it was broke in the irish news.

    I may as well add, I was in favour of the orange men staying in their own areas, since I didn’t want them walking thru my areas, but this is their own area, if they can’t walk here where can they walk?? And where does it end. If I go in to town and am prevented from shopping due to the gay parade can I complain too?? Will that stop the gays?

    Anna Lo is playing the race card, when this is not a race issue. Where has she been this last 30 years, this is a cultural issue, and lets face it the chineese have theirs.

    FFS they have to walk somewhere.

  • DC

    Well if there is anyone who may be thinking of such a dreadful dead towards him then surely take note of the date of the march, your bound to see him there no doubt.

    And failing that any other march date but if he is concerned for his life the appropriate thing to do would be to address this matter out of the public glare, which he hasn’t done because of a warped sense of right and wrong that in itself may well prove to be his own misfortune.

    As regards the ignorance of the BNP with its statement:

    “As our BNP colleagues on the mainland are familiar Royal Mail is littered with Anti British, foreign traitor sympathisers, we have a similar problem in Ulster and this problem could have potentially lethal consequences for Mr Spence”

    It is not the Roman Catholic / Republican community that issued the deathknell to a certain postman, Danny McColgan, in an early morning callous murder.

    And in addition, reference that area, from the Socialist Worker site:

    “And it is because of sectarianism that we have longer hospital waiting lists and more health cuts. At work Protestant and Catholic workers get on together. The problem is that then people go home to their particular ghettos. That is why it is important to organise together and to stand together. There have been two murders near the Mallusk office over the last year. They were two Protestant lads gunned down by the UDA, who mistakenly thought they were Catholics.”

    I trust Mr Spence will have full sympathies to these particular, horrendous, and callous situations, which were at the time met with little compassion.

  • Rubicon

    Totally agree snakebrain. This member of the loyalist meat-packing glitteratie marches in full costume along the Queen’s highway but only Anna Lo is responsible for identifying him with his ‘musical’ interests?!

    I hope he enjoys his time inside furthering his musical interests rattling gaol bars.

  • joeCanuck

    Repost from a previous thread.

    Some things are very strange.
    About a month ago, Lonely Planet declared that Ireland was the most friendly country in the world to visit.
    Yet visible minorities in N.I. don’t seem to be very welcome at all, particularly by one small (hopefully) segment of the population.
    I wonder does the same hold in the Republic.
    This sort of hatred won’t disappear unless decent people stand up publicly against it.

  • just so you know

    Joe I think thats the wrong way to look at this. Its a pity the BNP got involved, its a pity, anna lo played the race card, and its a pity the parades commission got involved.

    Couldn’t they have worked something out via a face to face meeting, that in future all parades will be advertised so that if traffic is disrupted people can make different arrangements. After all what did we all do for years during the 12th or any other parades we had. Even the festivals cause traffic disruption, which is what the issue is really about.

  • heerty

    you listening to roger waters rubicon?

  • Dewi

    BNP eh….they will add a constructive input into polics there. Wonder if they’ll stand anywhere….tenacious bunch – If Wales had been treated as one constituency for the List element of our last Assembly elections, as many recommend to ensure small parties gat a fair representation, instead of 4 as of now, then they would have won 2 seats.

    Parade Commission decision on this will be very interesting – looks very much like a mass bullying exercise to me. Anyone out there think it’s a good idea ? (Apart from the 40 (!) bands to be involved…)

  • joeCanuck

    just so you know,

    I guess I should have been more clear. I wasn’t commenting on this march, just making a general comment.

  • spiritof07

    justsoyouknow

    How exactly have the Parades Commission gotten involved? They are not even mentioned in the Irish News story.

    As for Anna Lo ‘breaking the story’ in the Irish News this morning, this story has played out in the Newsletter and Daily Mirror this week already so you are off beam there – as you are with the rest of your postings.

    “They have to walk somewhere” – why are they walking past 2 catholic churches on the same parade?

  • just so you know

    ”Indeed many of the bandsmen on their way home like to enjoy a chinese meal”

    said a spokesman for the rallys organisers!

  • just so you know

    Spirit, the parades commission IS mentioned in the Irish News story, and if you read it then you’ll know how the parades commission has gotten involved. Especially if you’ve already read it in the newsletter – just for my information could you link the story from the news letter p and the daily mirror up, because I also note gonzo hasn’t linked them.

    They are walking past two catholic churches in this parade, but AFAIK no nationalists have objected, but since you’ve read more than me (at least 3 newspapers with this story in them) then you should know.

    The first I seen it was today as HEADLINES in the Irish news.

  • esmereldavillalobos

    The best thing that could have happened here was the BNP getting involved – everyone’s eyes sufficiently open now?

  • I don’t have access to the Irish News article – how/when did Lo play the race card?

  • Rubicon

    heerty – very much so! Suppose I’m guilty of plagerism but when I saw this story the “Fletcher Memorial Home” seemed very apt 😉

    Well spotted – can I now assume there are 2 Pink Floyd fans here on Slugger?

  • just so you know

    From the IN’s article.

    ”I feel this parade has deliberate racist overtones and has been designed to intimidate the inese community who live and work on Donegall Pass,” she said. ”This parade is having to make a major detour just to go through Donegall Pass. ‘People feel it’s for no other reason than to show the Chinese community who’s boss.’

    …..”But I feel now the issue has taken on more sinister racial overtones.”

    Headlines in IN’s read.” Loyalist march ‘to intimidate Chinese’..

  • Rory

    ’’Indeed many of the bandsmen on their way home like to enjoy a chinese meal’’

    After having spent a period under intimidating siege from these nasty bands and their nasty supporters what a lovely opportunity for enterprising chefs to add some additional exotic “sauces” to the usual sweet’n’sour chicken and fried rice. Bon appetit! boys.

  • joeCanuck

    Ah Rory

    Want to be Slugger’s restaurant critic?

    Hehehehe

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Loyalists should have a wheena gumption and they should hol’ their wheesht, even a wean would know this is wile mistake, and the Englezes ( Spanish English) thonner wil naw lake them takin’ a danner doon past thon area firninst the orientals

  • wild turkey

    Can’t they wait a week, marching on 1 December in celebration of an important anniversary? The organisers could even apply to InvestNI for a PR grant.

    See below.

    1 December 2005

    SMITH OPENS INVEST NI OFFICE IN SHANGHAI

    Enterprise Minister Angela Smith last night officially opened Invest Northern Ireland’s new investment and trade office in Shanghai.

    The office will promote and facilitate technology, investment and trade exchanges between Northern Ireland and China, the world’s fastest growing economy.

    The Minister is currently travelling with an Invest NI visit to Hong Kong, Shanghai and Beijing that includes representatives of 35 Northern Ireland companies and the University of Ulster.

    Speaking at a reception for Chinese business leaders in Shanghai the minister said: “Opening this office in Shanghai will increase awareness in China of what Northern Ireland has to offer in terms of technology, quality products, expert services and the substantial benefits of Northern Ireland a location in which to do business within Europe.

    “This office will give a considerable boost to Government’s commitment to help local companies to grow and compete internationally, and to ensure that all parts of Northern Ireland benefit from targeted investment from China and other fast growing global economies.

  • Proud Raven

    look, we’re not stupid. china begins with a c; catholic begins with a c; all c’s ya see.

  • spiritof07

    Justsoyouknow

    I don’t have the earlier articles and dont know how to post links anyhow. But their appearance does disprove your theory about Lo masterminding the timing and source of today’s story.

    And why is the Parades Commission involved? i imagine it is something to do with them being the Commission for, er, parades.

  • Dec

    At least one good thing has come out of this parade – this belter from ‘just so you know’:

    And where does it end. If I go in to town and am prevented from shopping due to the gay parade can I complain too?? Will that stop the gays?

  • spiritof07

    And the only mention in the story of the Parades Commission is that the band has applied to the body to parade, in the normal run of things. Why do you thenm lump the PC in with the BNP and say its a pity they ‘got involved’? just wondering.

  • Outsider

    Lo as Alex Kane has pointed out is a single ticket politician and has lost all support from the Unionist community.

    Its a shame the Chinese community have become so intolerant or was this always the case?

  • Sir Herbert Mercer

    Anna Lo, europe’s first female parliamentarian, is without fault and right in all she says and does.
    Anyone who disagrees is clearly some form of unenlightened racist

  • just so you know

    ”I don’t have the earlier articles and dont know how to post links anyhow. But their appearance does disprove your theory about Lo masterminding the timing and source of today’s story.”

    I don’t see how it does disprove the theory that the meeting was called about this issue which was todays headlines in the Irish News. Infact, I would say that if this had come in to the public domain as you suggest, then the meeting was even more necessary in order to discuss how things would be handled.

    What I said was that Lo would have had the meeting to rally support for this move. Did Lo say in the newsletter articles or daily mirror aticles that this march was to intimidate the chinese community? I doubt it. Infact I’ve heard, but cannot confirm that the newsletter dealt with things from the viewpoint of the bandsmen and not Anna Lo, as you suggest. Therefore it is still my opinion that the meeting was called in order for Lo to go this route, and to have her party behind her. I see nothing wrong in that, except it would have been better had the BNP stayed out of it, and the race card not been played. That is a pity to blow up out of proportion a complaint over traffic due to a parade.

    I don’t think in all the years of bomb scares, parades, etc I know of anyone who has actually made a complaint of this nature.

  • Bruce Lee

    If Mr. Spence is so concerned about his safety why is he now fronting a very high profile march. You’d think if he had real concerns he would be keeping a lower profile!!

    I think the chinese community is a very hard working, polite, culture rich and very beneficial to our community.

  • Rubicon

    Sarcasm and political naivety both on display.

    What is wrong with a political representative being concerned about a band that has an association with violence against immigrants that has recently occasioned a criminal custodial sentence?

    It is clear what the intent is here and – just in case some fail to see it – there is insensitivity to immigrants at a time when this particular band should be seeking to make amends.

    It is overt, shameless racism dressed up in loyalist colours. Fair enough, no surprise to me there. This march should be attacked by those who want to retain the ‘marching tradition’.

    It is becoming ever clearer that the purpose of marching has everything to do with tradition – a tradition of causing offence.

  • Irritated

    This story is a fucking disgrace, journalism at its absolute lowest – desparation and ego to get on the front page at any price.

    The man whose address was leaked from the 11-1 form has already seen members of his family slaughtered by the IRA and quite rightly was upset at Ms Lo writing a letter to his home address identifying his name and home with the band.

    A few points

    Why did Ms Lo write to his home address and not to the address available from the bands website where correspondence is normally addressed to?

    Why did the police give out an address from an 11-1 form which is protected by the data protection act?

    Why was Ms Lo involved at all? The parade she wrote to complain about happened in east belfast which is not her constituency. Surely it should have been Naomi Long?

    The parade which will pass through donegal pass is a protest parade from east Belfast to the office of the parades commission. It will go through the donegall pass because it is on the way to the parades commission. The parade is to protest at how 11-1 forms and personal details being leaked off them.

    Anna Lo made an honest mistake and was called up on it – she shouldn’t have got that address from the police station and she shouldn’t have written to him at this address.

    There is no racist element to this story, or certainly wouldn’t be if it had been Naomi Long who had written the letter. Makes you wonder, doesn’t it?

  • Bruce Lee

    Parade Protests are bully boy tactics.

    Disgusting behaviour.

  • Outsider

    Maybe if people would stop walking over the Protestant Unionist culture there would be no need for protest parades.

    With Republicans/Nationalists/Ethnic minorities all uniting against the Protestant community it leads me to two questions, who is the real minority community and who are the real bully boys?

  • Stiofán de Buit

    There’s a great idea for a Jackie Chan film in here somewhere. I’d happily pay to seem him kicking some BNP and Orange Flute Band arses.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Outsider,

    Lets assume for one minute there is pan-ethnic-anti-protestant-front, surely Loyalists must realise how any realated protest action will be viewed ? Surely this a propaganda coup for those opponents of loyalism and their marching bands? Just imagine how this will play with the non BNP Britishers on the mainland?

  • Outsider

    Stiofan

    A terrible wannabe actor (using that word very loosely) kicking anybodys ass would be a miracle for him, although maybe you will want to lick his to show that your tolerance.

  • Outsider

    Sammy

    Mainland UK (England at least) hate NIs Protestant Unionsts with a passion we are alone on this island against innumerable odds and faceless opponents and we wouldn’t have it any other way.

  • Bruce Lee

    It seems to me that ‘loyalists’ need to have some hate target. How sad their outlook is based on hate!!

  • “Mainland UK (England at least) hate NIs Protestant Unionsts with a passion we are alone on this island against innumerable odds and faceless opponents and we wouldn’t have it any other way.”

    Outsider

    As someone from scotland who spent many years in scotland I have to disagree with you.
    “hate NIs unionists with a passion..”
    The settled opinion of middle England apropos Ulster Protestants is that they are certainly other, that they are Irish, but hate?
    Not at all.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Outsider,

    now that we ROI ers have ( effectively ) renounced the papacy and all that sail in her – what’s the problem now with a poitical alliance with your southern neighbours?

  • parci

    sammy,
    I don’t think they care about mainland british opinion, deep down they know they’re as hated as the BNP rascists, and are a disgrace to the Union Jack.

    As long as they can put the jack-boots on, and get the hate levels up, they feel alive.
    Its the only connection they feel.
    (rubicon.. spot that one )

  • Outsider

    Sammy I feel no need to unite these islands to an all all Ireland soverign state in which Protestants would be discriminated against left, right and centre.

    A UI would allow Parci a co a free reign to flex their hatred for us, at least the link with mainland UK affords us some protection.

  • Sammy I feel no need to unite these islands to an all all Ireland soverign state in which Protestants would be discriminated against left, right and centre.

    A UI would allow Parci a co a free reign to flex their hatred for us, at least the link with mainland UK affords us some protection.

    Outsider

    Carole Coleman (RTE), John Hewson (aka Bono), Kathryn Thomas (RTE) There is hardly a glass ceiling for Protestants in ROI.
    This is a post religious society-specially around M50ville.

    Perhaps you fear a UI because the Taigs,your neighbours, would not be at the back of the bus anymore?
    I hope that is not a fair reflection of your belief system, but,sadly, it probably is.

  • Rubicon

    3 Pink Floyd fans! And Parci too! 😉

  • Moreover he have many non-nationals of many religions and people of no faith happily getting on wioth life here in the ROI.
    methinks your view of the ROI is seriously out of date.
    Of course your out of date view is self serving.
    It allows you to fear absorption into a catholic stae (a state which does not exist,only in your mind.
    That fear also “justfies” your resistance to greater unification of the people on this island.

  • parci

    outsider
    the first is: total paranoi, you would not be discriminated against in any way whatsoever.

    The second is: all the sweet talk in the world won’t work with you types, until you look within your souls and realise that your anti-irish hate is wrong.

    I love many aspects of British Culture, so you can’t use the anti-brit propoganda on me.

    You guys just don’t represent anything good about Britian.

    you’re only despised because you insist on acting in such a despicable manner.

    De-programming is the answer.

  • Outsider

    Three people out of a population of over 5 million hardly a ringing endorsement for the ROI and isnt Bono only half a Jaffa or is that the only type of Hun you can stomach.

  • Outsider

    Parci

    The second is: all the sweet talk in the world won’t work with you types, until you look within your souls and realise that your anti-irish hate is wrong.

    Im Irish so I don’t see your point.

    I love many aspects of British Culture, so you can’t use the anti-brit propoganda on me.

    I using anti Protestant bigotry as facts.

    You guys just don’t represent anything good about Britian.

    Even after the huge sacrifices made in two world wars cant you at least grant us that?

    you’re only despised because you insist on acting in such a despicable manner.

    Pot kettle?

    De-programming is the answer.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Outsider,

    that’s a fair point about discrimination. The southern track record with Prods is not good. But although historically that has been the case I honestly dont think it would be a significant issue now. Most ROIers do not have a problem with a right to march – and as the Dublin march showed only a few nutters tried to cause problems – and were castigated for it. Immigration requires tolerance and the recent influx into ROI has meant a real appraisal of multi-culturalism in the south. I personally would like to see working class loyalists travelling to the south without fear of attack etc in the same way that well-off prods do for rugby matches. Although logistically difficult a large 12th celebration in the Boyne area should be encouraged with the ROI using that as a means to show good faith irrespective of any perceived political gain.

  • circles

    This parade has no chance of happening in its current form-past the chapel in the Markets?
    methinks not….

  • Outsider

    Sammy one of the best 12th of July parades of the year is in county Donegal and 40% of spectators are non Protestant.

    You may also think that NI Protestants are racist and completely against immigration which is untrue but it should be better policied with restrictions. This attitude does not explain why a small but not insignificant number of foreign immigrants have joined some of the Loyal orders and or bands, although unless I seen it for myself I would not have believed it.

    Immigration aside the Republic has a poor track record in general the march in Dublin is one example, the threats to the OO when they were invited to the St Patricks day parade is another and the ROI’s presidents comparison of Protestants to Nazis was unforgivable.

    The fact is that in NI alone we feel undersiege and our culture is continually threated a UI would not aid my community.

  • parci

    outsider,

    I’m on your side more than you know it.

    the sacrifices in the wars are worthy of honour
    but why not be a good irishman, and stand up for for a united ireland.

    I despise anti-prod bigotry, it is wrong.
    The marching doesn’t help , it gets up peoples noses. Why can’t prods just go to church like everyone else, and stop making such a big deal about it.
    Bowler hats? c’mon Monty Python were sending that nonsense up in the 60’s.

  • austin

    Does this clown, Spence, not realise that he has generated more publicity about himself with this march than could ever have been hoped by anyone opposed to him?
    As for any threat on his life, nobody cares about him or his pointless parades.
    However the decision to march through the Pass, which has a substantial chinese business and settled comunity, has sinister connotations.

    Indeed the application to walk past the Markets (where local people live in peace with their chinese neighbours in Hong Ling Gardens) suggests an intention to antagonise an old target as well as the chinese community.

    It will be worth seeing if there is any recurrence of attacks on the chinese community that blighted the Pass several years ago.
    If so, march organisers ought to be held responsible for their actions.

  • parci

    hey outsider,
    I thought it was great when those catholic bigots from Dublin came up to the North for the footie the other week, wrecked a prod bar, and ended up in jail.

    I laughed..tThat’ll teach em.. idiots.

    so I agree deprogramming is in order for both sides.

    Now off to polish my *ahem* black pot

  • Three people out of a population of over 5 million hardly a ringing endorsement for the ROI and isnt Bono only half a Jaffa or is that the only type of Hun you can stomach.

    Outsider

    Three well know people off the top of my head.

    I rather think you like the idea of the ROI being a cold house for Protestants (which it certainly isnt) it allows you to remain in your perceptual Laager.

  • Outsider

    Phil we could discuss the issues I raised in post number of this page.

    You could also address the lack of parity that is shown to Unionists traveling to Dublin to watch the rugby matches at Landsdown road.

  • Outsider

    I’m on your side more than you know it.

    the sacrifices in the wars are worthy of honour
    but why not be a good irishman, and stand up for for a united ireland.

    I despise anti-prod bigotry, it is wrong.
    The marching doesn’t help , it gets up peoples noses. Why can’t prods just go to church like everyone else, and stop making such a big deal about it.
    Bowler hats? c’mon Monty Python were sending that nonsense up in the 60’s

    Parci

    Orangeism is really important to me and with most in my community, its something that Nationalists will have to accept about us. I have to accept St Patricks day parades and the GAA so parity is needed.

    Bowler hats are long gone, only the more senior members of the OO wear them I think around 4% of the overall membership, I actually like them but most of the young members wont wear them.

  • tweedledee

    The Minister is currently travelling with an Invest NI visit to Hong Kong, Shanghai and Beijing that includes representatives of 35 Northern Ireland companies and the University of Ulster.

    That’s some junket. Wonder how many actual bodies that translates to and who’s footing the bill.

  • Outsider

    who’s footing the bill.

    Tweedledee

    Us.

  • martin

    “Indeed the application to walk past the Markets (where local people live in peace with their chinese neighbours in Hong Ling Gardens) suggests an intention to antagonise an old target as well as the chinese community.

    It will be worth seeing if there is any recurrence of attacks on the chinese community that blighted the Pass several years ago.
    If so, march organisers ought to be held responsible for their actions.”

    As far as i’m aware, the UVF have set a quota for the number of chinese families ‘allowed’ to live in the loyalist Donegall Pass area. The chinese community were unable to build a community centre in the area after loyalist paramilitary death threats.

    The proposed alternative site in the lower Ormeau area was welcomed by the community. Not sure if it’s been built yet?

  • parci

    outsider my grandad was a prod from Ulster.

    I’m an orangeman, I’m a catholic, I’m an Irishman.

    all I’m asking is to return the Union Jack to Buckingham Palace and say ” thanks love, ( to the queen ) but we have out own flag, the tri-colour.”

    That’s a reasonable position isn’t it?

  • austin

    No doubt,local rent-a-quote Michael Copeland, councillor (but not MLA) for the Pottinger area, will soon be in the media, asking for common sense to prevail and for this antagonistic march to be called off……….won’t he?

  • Phil we could discuss the issues I raised in post number of this page.

    You could also address the lack of parity that is shown to Unionists traveling to Dublin to watch the rugby matches at Landsdown road.

    Outsider

    I’m not a rugby fan so i wouldnt know what you are referring to?

  • Outsider

    The tricolour that the IRA death squad operated under for decades I will never swear allegiance to that I’m afraid.

  • Outsider

    No doubt,local rent-a-quote Michael Copeland, councillor (but not MLA) for the Pottinger area, will soon be in the media, asking for common sense to prevail and for this antagonistic march to be called off……….won’t he?

    Why should it be called off?

  • parci

    outsider
    The apologies haven’t really happened yet, on both sides; but one day I hope the bitterness felt over the tri-colour could one day be put to rest.

  • mmmmmmmm

    How has this gotten so blown out of proportion what I am not surprised about is the loyalists are all bigots and racists angle coming from slugger posters.

    This was simply about a complaint made by an individual who was held up by a parade – now I hate parades I wont go to them and hate getting caught in the traffic but if it is a legal parade and all relevant bodies have been informed…well that just happens.

    What the issue I believe is that Ms Lo made inquiries regarding the parade and was given the application form complete with someones person details on…regardless of whether or not that puts someones life at risk is debatable what isn’t is that Ms Lo had no right to that information….but it isn’t her fault, that lies with the PSNI or whoever handed it out breaching data protection laws no doubt.

    What I dont understand is where the chinese/racist element comes into this controversy.

  • Outsider

    Parci

    Its always going to be the union flag, Northern Ireland within the UK enriched in an Orange culture for me with the willingness to accept others who dont share my views to express their own.

    Parci I found this you may like it you probably wont but I hope moderators will give it a chance before deleting this post. I think its very good.

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=F1zMN4GhG0Q

  • joeCanuck

    Isn’t that Jeffrey who started off the drumming? Second row on the left.

  • parci

    quite repetitive, militaristic , the guy on the bongos looked like he was having the best of it.

  • spiritof07

    Copeland, that serene mature level headed political leader? lets wait and see. he is a big supporter of the Pride of the Raven and their ‘right’ to play The Sash going past St Matthews during mass times so i wont be holding my breath.

    Although for the record, and unlike Outsider, i appreciate the sarcasm in Austins comments.

    and by the way anyone who thinks that Donegall Pass is the natural route from Bedford Street to east Belfast musta bought their SatNav in Nutts Corner.

  • joeCanuck

    If you can’t understand, multiple m, go back to the start and read it all again.

  • Rubicon

    Anna has every reason to be concerned and has acted in an appropriate manner. A convict serving time for intimidating immigrants now wants his band ‘walking’ through areas where immigrants live. That’s real smart!

    Apparently we’re also supposed to feel this tattooed thug’s rights have been violated because Anna wrote to him correctly – but hadn’t quite understood that postmen (shot by loyalists) aren’t to be trusted.

    Loyalism and racism have always been in partnership. In the 80’s I remember taking my daughter to the 12th parade along the Lisburn Rd when I thought she should know her mum’s culture. I was handed National Front literature that was plainly racist. The group of skin-heads (clearly Scottish) were pissed and they were dragging the flag through the dirt behind them.

    I told them they were a disgrace and to pick up their flag. I was attacked while having my daughter sitting on my shoulders. Locals diffused the situation. My daughter – near 15 years later – won’t go near any loyalist march – she associates it with violent racism. Her grand-father was a member of the Black Perceptary and was very disappointed.

    Yet – it was her Granddad who told me he was ashamed at what happened and asked me not to take my daughter to a march again.

    This experience begs many questions.

  • Ronny reroute

    Strange route right enough from the East.

    Usually go Templemore Avenue,newtownards Road, Queens bridge, High street, Royal avenue.

    Surely hang a right at the city hall, first left, second left & parades commision offices a hundred yards on your right.

    P.S. How do they get to/from Donegall Pass?

    Via the lower ormeau 🙂 or via Cromac Street 🙂

  • ronnie

    The BNP/C18 have acted as marshall’s at various orange order/apprentice boy’s marches in England over the years.

    Hardly surprising that the support continues.

  • parci

    profound rubicon, profound

  • Danny D

    You’ve got to love Loyalism. As much as you want to paint them as the bad guys, they do a stellar job themselves. The parades intimidate me and I’m just a lowly Roman Catholic. Others of a different race should not have to tolerate these bigots and racists

  • Rubicon

    The links don’t just stop there ronnie. This marching tradition involves direct talks between unionist politicians and loyalist paramilitaries. While unionist political parties can’t be tied to formal links with loyalist terror groups (in the way SF and the PUP are) there remains a cultural link between ‘orangism’ and terror organisations – many linked to the National Front / BNP.

    Is a party political link really much worse than a ‘cultural’ link that transcends all of unionism? What efforts can we expect from the UUP or the DUP to halt this march?

    None? A few ‘bliks’ isn’t to high a price to have a go at this outrageous Parades Commission – is it?

    Sleep with dogs and wake with fleas.

  • Danny D

    Outsiders comments are the funniest on here. Comparing an Orange Order Parade to a St Patricks Day parade… is enough to make me spit sick in a grid. Sometimes I think the double standards in NI will never change. Anti-Protestantism is virtually non-existant. In comparison to Loyalists, religion has been an non-issue for Roman Catholics in Northern Ireland. Even during Civil Rights, they were careful to use the religion card. After enduring the Orange Order, Holy Cross, Ian Paisley’s earlier rantings, the venemous anti-catholicism in Protestant militias, such as the Shankill Butchers… Some Protestant Loyalists say: what about some lads in Celtic shirts, what about St Patricks, what about the IRA. Allow the Catholic community, as other traditionally oppressed minorities, to live free of bigotry and without intimidation and triumphalist marches

  • Turgon

    Rubicon,
    Your story about the parade on your previous post is very sad. I would encourage you to see parades held in South Londonderry where I really have seen very little that could be called anti Catholic and nothing which I would call racist.

    Danny D,
    I agree that there have been many anti Catholic elements which I condemn. However “Anti-Protestantism is virtually non-existant. ”
    This is either you being extremely daft or a blatant lie. The IRA may have not claimed they were killing Prods for being prods but that is the perception of the unionist community. It is also a simple fact borne out by a number of incidents where people were killed and the only conceivable explanation is that they were Prods. Incidentally the UDA usually claimed they were killing republicans or nationalists not Catholics. I do not believe a word of their lies and I would suggest you should not believe the lies of the IRA and their cheerleaders.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Danny D,

    although I largely agree with your post I think you are under-estimating Nationalist sectaranism. There was definitley a sectarian element to the Provos campaign and looking at it form a Prod point of view those who stood up for ( and were often killed ) against the United Ireland that the Provos fought for were by and large Prods. The Provo campaign resulted ( whether intentionally or not) in a large number of prod deaths. To look at Protestant ‘anti-catholicism’ without taking into account that their Bitish identity (and their lives in many cases) have been under threat mainly form the ‘Catholic’ community for the last 30 years is hardly fair.

  • Garibaldy

    Let’s not forget the INLA and IPLO and their numerous sectarian murders. The IPLO in particular was basically a mirror image of Adair’s version of the UDA, and a lot larger than people now think of them, if they ever do.

    The ongoing campaign against orange halls should not be forgoteen either, nor the (thnakfully much reduced) interface violence, which is never one way.

  • Sean

    Turgon
    Usually i disagree with your posts but they are relatively inteligent

    to clim the UDA campaign was anything but purely sectarian is delusional

    they were known to kill protestnts because they “thought” they were catholics

    the UDA was simply put the most vicious sectarin organization of the troubles

  • Rubicon

    Let’s not loose the focus here – this thread suggests a loyalist racist march is on the way. Never mind that this march wants to pass Catholic churches – can we think more broadly?

    This proposed march has no other aim than to assert dominance. It is racist and those that fail to oppose it will be remembered – by me anyway.

  • terry

    “This proposed march has no other aim than to assert dominance.”

    As already mentioned, dominance was sorted when the loyalist community of Donegal Pass (via the UVF) told Chinese residents their community was only welcome in small numbers.

    The sort of result the BNP in Bolton could only dream about.

  • Harry Flashman

    One thing that has always intrigued me is that the prods are called racists for their unwillingness to welcome immigrants into their communities and yet the immigrants are almost always trying to move into protestant communities rather than Catholic ones.

    Why is that?

    When large numbers of Africans or Chinese start moving into Andersonstown or Creggan I guess we’ll discover just how marvellously tolerant, multi-culti and we-are-the-world Northern Catholics really are (given their track record towards their Traveller and protestant fellow Irishmen I wouldn’t bet on it being a pretty picture).

  • Cadiz

    “The IRA may have not claimed they were killing Prods for being prods but that is the perception of the unionist community.”

    I think J. Bowyer Bell stated in one of his books “The minority had made it abundantly clear the the majority simply presented more targets, did not possess more power to kill. ….. If there was to be arbitrary killing the majority would pay too – arbitrarily”.

  • Bemused

    its quite ironic that the person who complained about the parade was a nurse and the POINT of the parade was to collect for the Belfast City Hospital RENAL UNIT! how can you call that a secterian event when the money is for charity?

  • Belfast Dissenter

    Rubicon could easlily get himself and Slugger O”Toole in legal bother if the Raven’s George Spence is reading his posting. “A convict serving time for intimidating immigrants now wants his band ‘walking’ through areas where immigrants live…’ he opens before describing George Spence as a ‘tatooed thug’.

    The person convicted of the attacks on Polish settlers in the Village was ROBERT Spence: a totally different person. Rubicon is attributing this man’s crimes and his motivations to GEORGE Spence and his band. Time for a retraction and an apology, I think. As for the ‘tatooed thug’ personal gibe: how does Rubicon know this? Can he back this up? it sounds like stereotyping to me.

    As for the BNP ‘connection’ it seems that their commentator has picked up and commented on the story a full week before the Irish News splashed it on the front page under a somewhat misleading headline: doing exactly the same thing as every contributor on this thread.

  • Turgon

    Sean,
    No I regard the UDA as purely sectarian. I was merely pointing out that they (the UDA) frequently deny this.