UDA hark back to bad old days with tarring and feathering…

THE UDA has been blamed for tarring and feathering an alleged drug dealer in the loyalist Taughmonagh estate, home of UDA leader and Irish presidential golf caddy Jackie McDonald. This medieval ‘punishment’ used to be popular with the IRA in the 1970s, and was briefly revived by the INLA in 2003. I think that, bizarrely, this is the neanderthals in the UDA trying to show they are ‘moving away from violence’, by not meting out their usual form of ‘community justice’ and shooting the man in the knees. But will the Minister with her hands on the loyalist purse-strings view it as progress? It’s all being discussed on Talkback today.

  • Yokel

    What next, stocks?

    60 days Ritchie? Why wait.

  • DC

    “home of UDA leader and Irish presidential golf caddy Jackie McDonald.” Very cute indeed.

    But in the picture in the Belfast Telegraph why can’t we see the faces of those such men doing the work of the community, if they are doing such a noble act.

    Perhaps it is do with the fact that when questioned about the illegality of their actions they may also be part of a larger network of paramilitarism connected to further and even deeper illegal actions.

    I wonder where the guy being tarred got the drugs from in the first instance.

  • Ian

    My personal favourite mediaeval punishment device is the Drunkard’s Cloak:

    http://www.eastman.org/ar/strip50/htmlsrc/m198605500072_ful.html#topofimage

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Guess the bloke wasn’t kicking enough back up to the hard men in “rent.”

    If this is the “good” UDA, one hesitates to speculate about what the “bad” UDA…

  • heck

    the UDA tarring and feathering for drug dealing

    whats next

    the IRA tarring and feathering for fuel smuggling

    the british government killing hundreds of thousands in Iraq and refusing to talk to Hamas because they support violence

    The last one is for the idiots out there who like to condemn republican and loyalist paramilitaries but think that british shite doesn’t stink.

  • páid

    BG,

    if you have evidence that Mr McDonald acts as caddy for the Irish President, let’s see it.

    Otherwise I would encouage the use of the words ‘husband’ and ‘partner’ in your intro.

  • Comrade Stalin

    The UDA has no right to act as a police force in the neighbourhood. This is yet another in a long list of reasons to oppose the “transformation initiative”. If McDonald and co can’t bring their organization with him, what’s the point ?

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Comrade Stalin: “The UDA has no right to act as a police force in the neighbourhood.”

    I would quibble, but mainly in sematics… they are not, as you put it, “acting as a police force, but are acting as judge, jury and executioner — well and truly beyond the remit.

    Comrade Stalin: ” This is yet another in a long list of reasons to oppose the “transformation initiative”. If McDonald and co can’t bring their organization with him, what’s the point ?”

    The list needn’t be any longer than the simple notion that paying Danegeld to these thugs is counter-productive.

    As for your last, there are those who believe that bad, non-constructive talk is preferable to even the most productive application of coercive force. Of course, these are the spiritual step-children of Chamberlin — smaller minds bumbling the handling of smaller thugs.

  • pith

    Has the UDA gone to pot? Or kettle?

  • Diluted Orange

    Is this McDonald of the UDA’s handy work or McDonald’s the restaurant chain?

    What with all the steroids that go into making your average McChicken sandwich I’m pretty sure that most of the birds originally resemble the man-sized one in your photo.

    Call me callous, but on a serious note, when are we going to stop giving a toss about what fellow scumbags do to each other? So long as they’re tar and feathering each other instead of folk not in the criminal fraternity I don’t give a shit.

  • The Third Policeman

    And how do we know this fella is in the criminal fraternity exactly DO?

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Diluted Orange: “Is this McDonald of the UDA’s handy work or McDonald’s the restaurant chain? ”

    Either way, you’re left with a clown.

    Diluted Orange: “What with all the steroids that go into making your average McChicken sandwich I’m pretty sure that most of the birds originally resemble the man-sized one in your photo. ”

    Ah, the casual anti-American statement as a distracting device… pay no attention to the topic at hand, because this company, what has nothing to do with the story, is “bad.”

    Diluted Orange: “Call me callous, but on a serious note, when are we going to stop giving a toss about what fellow scumbags do to each other? So long as they’re tar and feathering each other instead of folk not in the criminal fraternity I don’t give a shit. ”

    I’d call you worse, but Mick doesn’t go in for that sort of thing. First of all, there is the small matter of the rule of law — and if the scumbags are going to be permitted to do it to one another, its not that hard to figure they’re going to be pretty casual about doing it to you or anyone else they decide offends their delicate sensibilities. Secondly, do you really want to accept a society when a bunch of hoods can tar and feather whom they want, based upon their own criteria, acting as judge, jury and executioner? Is that *REALLY* you’re idea of a civilized society? Lastly, if you honestly believe that they’d maintain at the level of tar and feathers, DO, I’d like the opportunity to talk real estate with you — I have a splendid collection of bridges and Florida waterfront property to sell you…

    Its only a matter of time before the guns come out… and bullets that do not hit their intended target (and a few who do…) continue on until they hit something.

  • Diluted Orange

    DC

    OK I accept that my comments are harsh but maybe that’s just down to the fact that I, like many others, am now de-sensitised to violent acts such as this.

    [i]Secondly, do you really want to accept a society when a bunch of hoods can tar and feather whom they want, based upon their own criteria, acting as judge, jury and executioner?[/i]

    I believe, in NI anyway we already live in a society like this and have done for 40 years. So what do the government about it? They pay UDA commanders millions for doing sweet FA.

    The UDA have no mandate, they’re still selling drugs and intimidating people on their estates yet the PSNI do nothing about it, the Unionist parties do nothing about it and the government in general don’t give a toss – in fact they have effectively been funding these hooligans.

    Sure we can go through the semantics on blogs like this and gush middle-class liberal sentiments about how this type of thing should never happen but you and I know that it will continue to happen for the forseeable future until some sort of action is taken against the scumbags, drug dealers and the assailants, who have ruined loyalist and republican communities.

    We in NI it seems have a different set of laws when it comes to what we should expect to put up with when compared to the rest of Ireland or the UK. Is that a society you want to live in?

    Yet the electorate go out in their droves, like lost sheep, every other year to vote in the 2 main protaganists that brought this situation about in the first place for no other reason than they are a Catholic or a Prod.

    What speaks volumes to me about the plight of NI today is that a kid gets shot in Liverpool and the story gets wall to wall national TV coverage. Fair enough, a horrible atrocity and a concerted effort needs to be focussed to tackle such acts of violence all round.

    However, in contrast to GB we in NI are a lost cause, a society that’s been brought to the brink of humanity by the acts of loyalist and republican henchman over the years. So much so, that in a time of relative peace when a man goes through the brutal act of getting tarred and feathered we can only read about it in the middle pages of the Belfast Telegraph.

    [i]I’d call you worse, but Mick doesn’t go in for that sort of thing. [/i]

    Get your priorities right before you call me ‘worse than a scumbag’ when comparing me to your average hood.

    As for the assaulted man in question, should we be asking, “Why has this happened to him?” or should we be asking the following:

    IF he is/was a drug dealer why is it up to the UDA to sort him out instead of the PSNI?

    What will happen to the perpetrators of this crime? Can we surmise that they’ll be let off with a slight rap on the knuckles and told to be good boys and swear never to do such naughty things again?

    It’s high time that instead of pandering to/ voting in the hard men of NI to govern us they should be brought to book for the mayhem and complete breakdown in society that they’ve been party to.

  • Gum

    [i]”I, like many others, am now de-sensitised to violent acts such as this.”[/i]

    This is incredibly depressing. The fact that a group of people could stand and watch this is sick. What sort of disgusting people are they? I just hope that Ritchie puts her money where her mouth is and stops the cash flow to thugs like McDonald.

    This sort of incident makes me want to leave this country – not so much the despicable act in itself but the fact that people could watch and not care.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    DO: “OK I accept that my comments are harsh but maybe that’s just down to the fact that I, like many others, am now de-sensitised to violent acts such as this. ”

    “Harsh” was calling them scumbags. Suggesting that the law of the jungle was an appropriate justice mechanism for the lower classes is something along the lines of “sociopathic.”

    DO: “I believe, in NI anyway we already live in a society like this and have done for 40 years. So what do the government about it? They pay UDA commanders millions for doing sweet FA. ”

    First of all, either you’re posturing or, if you honestly believe that, you’re a deuced fool.

    The real problem is that the state, over the years, has made a great many compromises with the thugs. It is going to take a little time and a little embaressment to clear those from the table. Some of the old hands from the bad ol’ days will have to go down the stairs. But spare me your hyperbole and come down off your cross — the timbers would be better used elsewhere.

    DO: “Get your priorities right before you call me ‘worse than a scumbag’ when comparing me to your average hood. ”

    Pretty is as pretty does, DO. Suggesting that the thugs be allowed to dispense thug-justice on other thugs is about as smart as a bag of hair. It doesn’t take a genius to pick up a history book and see that when this has been permitted, like a backed-up sewer, the practice will eventually overflow its boundries and spread. It will not remain a matter of local discipline. It will eventually go inter-faction, which will bring out the guns. For the slower members of the audience, bullets have no target seeking capacity and thugs are not marksmen.

    DO: “IF he is/was a drug dealer why is it up to the UDA to sort him out instead of the PSNI? ”

    Do you know he was a drug-dealer? Do you have anything beyond the UDA’s say-so?

    You want the Lord of the Flies, go read a book. You might find it a novel experience… or not.

  • Different Drummer

    But there are limits to rejecting the langauge and the violence of the b____t as you have shown us very well elsewhere here Dread of the Cull…..

    I don’t trust someones credentials as a supporter of peace and equality who offers us anti-thug rhetroic but who protests here *often* about other people protesting against thugs and b____ty.

  • Rory

    What a frightening picture. It’s enough to shock Amy Winehouse into rehab.

  • The Reasoner

    Winehouse….?

    You definetly got da wrong ‘gear’ there man!