Linfield Manager takes on soccer terrace bigots

Hot on the heels of the sectarianism in Fermanagh GAA row, Linfield Manager David Jeffrey has publicly called for action to be taken against Ballymena Utd supporters who directed sectarian abuse at catholic players of his club at last week’s game against Ballymena United. The response from Ballymena United has been critical of the manner in which David Jeffrey made his criticisms in the public domain, though it has promised a thorough investigation into the matter.

  • darth rumsfeld

    “I would also say our home support is pretty much on a level with Linfields”

    HARDEHARHAR

    PUHLEASE

  • Ray Davies

    ironic that you, a ballyeman supporter, should throw in “small”, when we will bring around 10 times the away support you angels did 😉

  • Cromwell

    Darth & Ray,

    I qualified it by putting “pretty much”, & would maintain that theres no vast difference, I’d also say our travelling support is sometimes bigger.

    You didnt win the league at The Oval, it went to the last game. Get the facts out & prove me wrong!

  • Cromwell

    By catalyst day dont you mean Morgan Day?

  • Ray Davies

    Erm, that is kinda my point, technically we didn’t win the league that day, same way as you chaps didn’t win the league on catalyst day- difference between the scope and vision of the two clubs is that we didn’t win asign a name to the “Not actually winning the league but almost” day and give it mythical status ;-).

    As for travelling support, you simply dont have a bigger support, the only game where you have had bigger attendances is for Cliftonville, for obvious reasons- all other games, blues bring a bigger support, a verifiable established fact, just ask any of the clubs………….

  • Cromwell

    Yes, I’ll just quit work now & ask all the clubs shall I?

    Yeah, & theres no way we’d just give that day a name to wind up our cross town rivals or anything.

    When you didnt win the title at The Oval last year, one of our ex-players didnt score for you either did they?

  • g.morgan

    Amazing, even when out of his natural habitat (gurning about da big bad blooos on football boards/radio phone ins), the lesser spotted (especially these days!) glenman still shows signs of chronic delusion!

  • g.morgan

    When you didnt win the title at The Oval last year, one of our ex-players didnt score for you either did they?

    Posted by Cromwell on Aug 17, 2007 @ 03:11 PM

    Soupy Campbell scored against you lot after he jumped across to us. Do we have ‘soupy days’? Nope.

    Yet again proof positive that the Big 1 is clearly that, the Big 1.

  • Ray Davies

    You wouldn’t need to quit work, if you are a member of Irish league forums for example, there, various people, both official and unofficial, have confirmed the blues bring the biggest, Ballymena, Coleraine to name but a few.

    Don’t sweat it, you girls are still big in IL terms, it’s just you ain’t the pinnacle 😉

    As you have admitted you didn’t win the league that day, it reaffirms the gulf in outlook, you ascribe mythical status to non league winning days. The Blues simply focus on trophies and actual history, such as back to back doubles, clean sweeps, European Cup QF and cross border wins! 😉

  • g.morgan

    How many turned up at Armagh and Limavady last season to support the Glens?

  • Cromwell

    Is that c.morgan or g.morgan?

    Never been on a radio phone in in my life, but at least I’m not suffering from a superiority/ persecution complex.

    So, back to the point of this, Big Daisys a buck eejit, admit it, you’ve been looking rid of him for ages, lets be honest, its just between us!

  • Cromwell

    Soupy Campbell doesnt count as I was living in Australia at the time & missed (thankfully) the entire season.

  • Cromwell

    & also you probably wouldnt call it Soupy Day as he was a cafflick!

  • Ray Davies

    Ahhh the real glenmen we all know, fixated with religion, next thing you know they will be questioning the number of RCs in the Linfield teams, plus ca change!

  • g.morgan

    Soupy Campbell doesnt count as I was living in Australia at the time & missed (thankfully) the entire season.

    Posted by Cromwell on Aug 17, 2007 @ 03:23 PM

    Leeper? :0

  • g.morgan

    Never been on a radio phone in in my life, but at least I’m not suffering from a superiority/ persecution complex.

    That would be a first for a Glenman! 😉

  • g.morgan

    & also you probably wouldnt call it Soupy Day as he was a cafflick!

    Posted by Cromwell on Aug 17, 2007 @ 03:24 PM

    Soupy was welcomed with open arms after he made the step up to a bigger Club. If you want to go back to that period, lets mention those ‘Dessie Gorman’s in the Ra’ chants from the East Belfast Rainbow Alliance shall we?

  • Pounder

    As opposed to the more recent “You’ve got a provo in your team” in regard to Tim McCann? Like I said in my first post in this David Jeffrey’s wants to look closer to home before he slags off other teams for sectarianism. There is gonna be so much egg in his face next time they play Donnegal Celtic or Cliftonville.

    On an unrelated note where is the originator of this story, Chris Donnelly? Another commentator in this thread posted that he could quite capably defend himself, so why isn’t he?

  • Ray Davies

    That would make sense if DJ supported Linfield fans singing sectarian songs, which he doesn’t- in fact a couple of years ago at Solitude he sent Stuarty King up to the Linfield support to ask a few fans to cease a few choice songs.

    I personally don’t think it is overly wise publicising it, because undoutedly something will be sung by Linfield fans (which no doubt DJ will condemn)>

    I find it funny the angelic protestations by Ballymena fans though, especially odious chaps such as Owen

  • darth rumsfeld

    Oh the number of times I’ve been forced to sing-

    “we won the league
    In East belfast
    We won the league in East Belfast
    We won the league at the Oval
    We won the league in East Belfast”

    Going back to Bryan Hamilton in the late 60s, it’s been such a regular occurrence it’s no wonder I get confused.

    Glentoran winning the league at Windsor….hmm, there’s a poser.

    Course you nearly achieved the “Anyone but them” feat a few years ago when Portadown and Glenavon were fighting for that crucial goal that would have pipped us- oh how you wept when the final whistle went at Mourneview

  • Woe betide Ballymena supporters from pointing out when they’ve been accused of something they blatantly didn’t do (and let’s face it we’ve been the first to hold our hands up when certain unsavoury incidents did take place).

    The difference between Linfield and other Irish League teams, leaving aside the advantages they’ve been gifted by the IFA, leaving aside their supporters record of violence and misbehaviour, leaving aside the arrogance of their manager and officials – is that the only reason they exist is so superprod loyalists can attach themselves to them.

    My hatred of Linfield is certainly not irrational. Countless incidents I witnessed as a child and a teenager occured before I developed any prejudice against them. I can remember metal posts crashing through our bus windows, I can remember the drunken mob crowding in to stand behind Ballymena supporters in our own end in the old stand and the showers of abuse, spit etc thrown at old men and children amogst others for simply supporting their team (this was before any of the current bad blood). I can remember Ballymena fans leaving the stand after they were attacked for having the impudence to celebrate a goal in their own end. I can remember a bottle of beer hitting the head of a 12 year old boy at the same match.

    Thank god the worm is turning and the IFA is coming to discover that if they don’t act the team they’ve indulged for all these years will screw them too. That fat thug Jeffrey, who I still remember malevolently breaking Harry McConkey’s leg when he was at Larne, should not get away with this outrageous slander. If he can’t back up his words (and he is backtracking already) it is up to the IFA to dock his team points.

  • Ray Davies

    Ironic that this should come from a fan of a club which brings less than times the support of Linfield, but in recent seasons has been involved in

    a) Attacking a COleraine bus and leaving one Colerain supporter with a smashed face requiring stitches

    b) Racism

    c) Bottle throwing at a cup final

    D) Sectarian chants

    to name but a few.

    As has been stated Owen is a fool, whatever name he goes under, and we all know for a fact he lives on the internet and wouldnt dream of uttering the above to a blueman’s face, which is just as well, as not all bluemen are as peaceful as me 😉

  • Ray Davies

    That should have read

    “less than a tenth of the support of Linfield”

  • g.morgan

    Countless incidents I witnessed as a child and a teenager occured before I developed any prejudice against them. I can remember metal posts crashing through our bus windows, I can remember the drunken mob crowding in to stand behind Ballymena supporters in our own end in the old stand and the showers of abuse, spit etc thrown at old men and children amogst others for simply supporting their team

    It’s ok owen, everyone knows your lying.

  • “not all bluemen are as peaceful as me”

    The only true word spoken. They have a higher percentage of sectarian thugs than any other support.

    Btw, the Glens take easily as big a support as the animals to away games and with a few exceptions conduct themselves impeccably.

    They are a club with a proud tradition, not a shower of Rangers wannabes/

  • Ray Davies

    is that why the followers of the glens have fought with Swedish fans, Portadown fans, Loughall etc, and seem intent on telling Linfield fans the religious make up of their team.

    You have been rumbled Prince Charles Owen- you are living in fantasy world, one too many buckfasts shared with homeless Danish chaps on your GAWA travels

  • g.morgan

    All fine and dandy owen, but Linfield have actually made the effort, in fact more than the effort to combat sectarianism. Thats something that sticks in your craw, you cling on to sad, cliched, nonsense to try and validate your seething hatred of Linfield.

    Nearly a week on, how are Ballymena’s investigations into this incident going? have the perps been identified yet?

  • Ray Davies

    Owen is living out his fantasies on the internet, in real life he most probably fears and admires the blues.

    Perhaps he has issues with a manager opposing sectarianism?

  • neill armstrong

    I know Owen very well whilst i might not always agree with some of his opinions i have a healthy respect of his intellectual abilities.

    Shouldnt we focus on the reasons why owen, myself and countless other fans hate Linfield,rather than simply blackening his character.

    Owen is indeed right about the fans chucking bottles because the person he mentions is my brother.

  • neill armstrong

    Sorry i should have said the bottle was thrown at him thankfully it missed and hit a wall.He had done nothing to provoke this unwarranted attack.

  • Cromwell

    Thanks Ziz,

    The Bloomen are circling, but sorry no lunch, I see you cant help yourself & are starting to become mildly threatening Ray, true colours are out then but still just a keyboard warrior!

    I dont think any Linfield fan is entitled to complain about anyone elses behaviour.

    Sorry guys but Big Daisys indefensible on this one, & you know it. So Away & have a wee look at yourselves over the weekend & while you are at it…..drop the arrogance & get a sense of humour.

    I’m a Glenman, I actually like football, I’m not just pretending to watch it to express my loyalist credentials or because as a child I was such a dimwit I thought ” support the team in red, white & blue cos’ they’re all prods.”

  • darth rumsfeld

    “I’m a Glenman, I actually like football”
    seems like the perfect example of a contradiction to me

  • queensway

    Rubbish crowds, rubbish grounds & facilities & a rubbish standard of football, and what do they argue about…”You’re more sectarian than us”.

    Sheeesh !!!

  • mintonette

    Not to be outdone by the South-East Antrim commander of the uff, who sported his northern ireland tracksuit at a recent loyalist paramilitary show of strength in the Larne area, uff supremo Jackie McDonald was pictured this week in the latest version of the northern ireland football tracksuit in Kilkeel.

    A case of “we’re not Brazil, were terrorist godfathers”.

  • chewnic

    Has Jackie left the UDA for the GAWA?

  • Fred O’Barr

    Maybe the two aren’t mutually exclusive?

  • g.morgan

    ‘I dont think any Linfield fan is entitled to complain about anyone elses behaviour.

    Best not mention the antics of Glentoran fans at Portadown, Loughgall (yes Loughgall!!) and their sectarian showboating in Dublin when they played Shelbourne then.

    ‘I’m a Glenman, I actually like football, I’m not just pretending to watch it to express my loyalist credentials or because as a child I was such a dimwit I thought “ support the team in red, white & blue cos’ they’re all prods.” ‘

    You have rhymed that bs off so often I bet you can recite it backwards. Here’s some glorious corinthian moments from those wonderful guys who only ‘play sport not politics:-

    Consulting the UDA in signings.

    Having no social club for god knows how many years due to losing their licence after the authorities twigged on that it was nothing more than a UDA drinking den.

    And thats just the Club, now onto the fans, the type of guys who, like Cromwell, try to portray themselves as the East Belfast Branch of the Alliance Party, what about them?:-
    Not content with dishing out sectarian abuse to the Donegal Celtic players and their fans at the giant duckpond the glenmen refer to as the oval, they later try to attack the DC fans and stone them after the game.

    Everyone looks forward to their team getting to the Irish Cup Final dont they? up early in the morning, getting new flags and banners prepared, face painting, fancy dress, making sure you can smuggle enough weaponry in………oops thats just the Glenmen when they decide to try and cut each other to peaces in paramilitary feuds at the blue riband showcase of the year. They will probably deny this one, but alas it was captured live on telly!

    Then we have the Glentoran player who broke his leg in a tackle with an ex team mate. Pretty shocking stuff, and I’m sure I would be angry if someone broke my leg, but I would stop short of sending a ‘team’ round to a well known supports club that night with the intention of ‘sorting out’ my ex-team mate. Irn bru, its made from girders you know!

    Hear the one about the Glenmen that were that peeved off their team wasnt playing in a semi final at the duckpond one night that they robbed the gateman of his takings at gun point? luv a duck! Their a wacky bunch!

    When playing in Europe, I’ve always said that we should try and reach out the hand of sporting friendship to our European Opponents, esp with the ever looming prospect of European Union. Our friends in the East take that very seriously, not only do they want to introduce themselves, but, in the case of the visit of AIK a few weeks back, they also get on the phone to get the local UDA to come round and say hello. Unfortunately the MSU were party poopers and ushered the AIK fans out of the ground via the traditional ‘away fans’ exit!

    Glentoran hypocrisy, ya couldnt make it up!

  • David Hogan

    “I’m a Glenman, I actually like football, I’m not just pretending to watch it to express my loyalist credentials or because as a child I was such a dimwit I thought “ support the team in red, white & blue cos’ they’re all prods.” ”

    Is that why so many of your cohorts who attend the oval every week sport the colours of Glasgow Rangers cromwell?

    Or possibly why so many of them know the exact religious breakdown of the Linfield playing & coaching staff to a level of Mastermind winner requirement?

    More tired cliches from a fan of a team just laced with them.

  • David Hogan

    “A case of “we’re not Brazil, were terrorist godfathers”.”

    Poor wee mintonette, taking it hard the fans of the England Scotland Wlaes Zambia PogoPogo rejects XI aren’t officially the TGFITW any more are we?

  • g.morgan

    Wasnt well known Ardoyne cross community worker Sean Kelly spotted togged up in an FAI jacket a year or so back ‘observing’ a loyal order parade passing Ardoyne shops? Ho hum….

  • Chris Donnelly

    Zizzy

    I take great pleasure in the fact that you seem somewhat perturbed about this thread- clearly that narrow little mind of yours has been rattled…

    Sticks and stones and all of that.

    Pounder

    Missed getting onto the site in past 24-36 hours but, even had I been on site, I wouldn’t have felt compelled to add anything to my previous contributions on this thread. The story remains as valid as initially reported, in spite of the sectarian rantings of some contributors.

  • Fred O’Barr

    What about a certain Glentoran goalie who was caught with a gun in his back garden? Opposing fans used to revel in a chant enquiring as to whether he had brought said firearm with him to the match.
    Also is it true that Catholic fans of the club used to have chalk marks put on their backs to make them easily identifiable for the purpose of getting a digging on their way down Dee Street after the match?

  • Prince Eoghan

    Chris

    My guess was that you were steering clear of the near hysteria.

    Can we not at least take from this thread the positive that at least there seems to be some kind of consensus that the anti-Catholic sectarianism is no longer acceptable. Much better than the usual defence and whataboutery.

  • Cromwell

    Dead on Chris, everyones sectarian because they disagree with you.

    Big daisys lies are indefensible, just like your blog.

    G.Morgan, dont let a good yarn get in the way of the truth for christs sake. I’m not gonna play your game because as far as Linfields fans behaviour over the years is concerned we’d be here all night, (giving each other a good digging on the way back from Wrexham a few years ago!)but congratulations for doing Mr.Donnellys job for him.

    David Hogan, Ray Davies, David Watts, whoever,
    imagine a blooman complaining about Glenmen wearing Rangers tops…….. my sides, they ache!!!

    Fred O’Barr,
    Yes Fred that makes a lot of sense, chalk marks on the back, dead on Fred, cos if that happened they’d still be Glentoran fans wouldnt they Fred, they’d keep on going to the games & getting the chalk marks Fred, & walking down Dee st Fred, wouldnt they…..wheres my medication.

  • Fred O’Barr

    You are in denial Cromwell.
    One digging was enough to deter catholic Glens fans(from the Short Strand in particular) that their religon was enough to have them exiled from the Oval. (At one point, there used to be a Glentoran Supporters Social Club in the Strand)

    I have to laugh at your attempt to portraty he Blues as fans with a more sectarian fanbase.
    The Blues have made tremendous efforts in reaching out to youth clubs in West Belfast to attract cathlolic players.
    Have the Glens done the same to young players in the Strand- Not bloody likely.

  • Cromwell

    Shows how much you know Fred.

    A Glenman is a Glenman, I dont care where he comes from, we’ve never had to reach out to Catholic players because they’ll come & play for us anyway, some of the best the IL has ever seen.

    Theres still many a catholic watching the Glens on a Saturday, & we’ll attract more as the dark days recede from memory, can Linfield say the same, could you say that about Whinger Park?

    Anyway I’m off shortly to Ballyskeagh, where are you going Fred?

  • Fred O’Barr

    I’m going to Ballyskeagh too-too watch the Whites-Hope you’re not bringing your chalk with you.

  • darth rumsfeld

    “imagine a blooman complaining about Glenmen wearing Rangers tops…….. my sides, they ache!!!”

    One of the most prominent Linfield supporters is also a devoted Celtic supporter, going back to his friendship with Bertie Peacock in the fifties
    A regular in the Windsor directors’ box in the 80s was the local RC auxiliary bishop- Farquhar I think- who was a supporter of the club.

    “we’ve never had to reach out to Catholic players because they’ll come & play for us anyway,”-

    Aah,that’s why former Glens chaplain Rev David Armstrong allegedly had to broker a deal with the UDA when you wanted to sign Protestantly -challenged Jim Cleary in the 1970s then

    Oh dear

  • Cromwell

    Are you really Fred, some Blooman you are!

    Darth,

    C’mon now, you well know that Windsor is coming down with Rangers regalia, (i dont have a problem with that either) but to accuse the Glens of being worse is faintly ridiculous & you know it.

    I dont want to get into an argument with you, as youre not one of the mysterious Johnny Come Latelys above & I generally have respect for your opinions, but you are being subjective, we can all pull those out of our hats.

    When the great J.C. et al played for the Glens, just how many Catholics played for Linfield?

    Oh dear.

  • Realist

    Just back from a family holiday in Westport, so I’ve missed the opening two games of the season.

    I read of the allegations made by DJ whilst away.

    Having spoken with several Bluemen at the Ballymena game, it seem’s to me that DJ may have been mistaken in what he heard.

    Not one person I have spoken too heard anything of a sectarian nature coming from the paltry gathering of Ballymena fans.

    My information is that no Linfield player heard any sectarian comments or chanting from Ballymena fans either.

    DJ was also wrong to raise this matter via the media – there is a protocol for dealing with such matters which should have been adherred to.

    Ziznivy’s portrait of Ballymena fans being angelic is, frankly, laughable.

    I too attended games at The Showgrounds in the 80’s – I know what went on.

    Finally,I also acknowledge and thank the contributions on this thread from nationalist posters recognising the efforts being made by Linfield FC to stamp out the sectarianism that has blighted our great club for too many years.

  • David Hogan

    “David Hogan, Ray Davies, David Watts, whoever,
    imagine a blooman complaining about Glenmen wearing Rangers tops…….. my sides, they ache!!!”

    Whereas you don’t deny the glenmen’s intense study of the Linfield staff, especially “them uns”.

    Funny that since you deny & deflect any other incident that has happened with your tawdry little pub team.

  • Pounder

    There seems to be a lot of crap being thrown around here, stories of chalk marks and the like. Where is the hard evidence to back this up? I admit I haven’t been to a lot of Irish League matches in the last few years, I have enough time and money consuming hobbies, but in all the time I followed the Glens, when I was under 18 and it was a lot cheaper I saw very few sectarian incidents. I’m not gonna say there where none, several incidents stick in my mind, in perticular when we travelled to Solitude But thats way off topic.

    The facts are Jeffrey’s claimed that Ballymena fans hurled sectarian abuse at his players. Other commentators here have said they the Ballymena fans didn’t the abuse was at Jeffrey’s himself. Realist who is someone in the know says there was no sectarian abuse and DJ is wrong to have went about this the way he did as there are existing procedures for making such complaints.

    One thing this discussion has gave me is a great insight into what the clubs in the Irish League are doing to curb sectarianism. Frankly I’m very impressed at the measures Linfield are taking to stamp out this kind of behaviour and I wonder why a larger club like Glasgow Rangers with similar problems aren’t doing the same.

  • “Ray Davies, David Watts, whoever”

    Hmmm interesting. Perhaps this character would like to outline his view on immigration, the BNP and explain some of the terms he used to refer to Arabs on another site for a true snapshot into a Linfield supporter’s mentality.

  • Cromwell

    David Hogan, Watts, Davies,

    “Whereas you wont deny the glenmens intense study of the Linfield staff, especially themmuns”,

    Oh yes I will, in fact I’d love to know what you base that allegation on, its sounds like a lot of crap to me, but then on reading your previous posts…………!

    “Tawdry little pub team” what does that make Linfield then, marginally better “bit more successful tawdry little pub team.”!

  • Prince Eoghan

    >>I wonder why a larger club like Glasgow Rangers with similar problems aren’t doing the same.<

  • g.morgan

    My information is that no Linfield player heard any sectarian comments or chanting from Ballymena fans either
    Posted by Realist on Aug 18, 2007 @ 07:12 PM

    My information is that sectarian remarks were made to a Linfield player from Ballymena fans in the North Stand. My source (who told me this on Saturday) is impeccable.

  • Ray Davies

    Not sure what Owen is on about or referring to, but perhaps he could educate people on what his views are in respect of the treatment of Muslims in many of the former soviet states- it would certainly make the BNP blush!

  • Ray Davies

    As for Cromwell, and his “mildly threatening” remark, think you are losing the plot there fella.

    Good to see you revert to type and generalising why bluemen follow Linfield- pathetic little stereotyping, go on, sing about being the biggest Orange district in the land and do a sectarian head count for our team!

    Or else have a wee juke at a well known glens forum, where posters regularly remark that perhaps Linfield should play at Casesment because of the “make up” of our team.

    Second rate comments from a second rate team.

    As for Neil Armstrong, I think he is still stuck on the moon!

  • Realist

    “My information is that sectarian remarks were made to a Linfield player from Ballymena fans in the North Stand. My source (who told me this on Saturday) is impeccable”

    I trust that the Linfield player concerned will testify to this, when required.

    Otherwise, it seems that DJ was the only one in the ground to have heard the alleged comments.

    His (DJ’s) failure to abide by protocol on this matter is also very disappointing.

    I lap DJ up – but sometimes he’s a big eejit.

  • Cromwell

    Did or did you not Ray Davies/Watts/whatever state that Ziz wouldnt ever say anything like that to your face? Mildly threatening from a keyboard warrior.

    I’ve been going to the Oval for 20 odd years & never ever heard any songs about “biggest orange districts” or sectarian headcounts, your boiler is busted & youre talking like a pan loaf.

    The remark you make about Linfield playing at Casement, was made by one person & you have conveniently taken it completely out of context, he made this remark in the context of, & I suspect the same reasons BUFC fans were taking the piss out of touchy bloomen, that when playing Linfield we are regularly subjected to songs such as “the Billy Boys”, “no fenians on our team”,”the Glens have got a chapel on the Newtownards Road” containing the line “for all you fenian bastards” or that aged classic “Dirty fenian bastards”. Although I suppose it makes a change from stealing Rangers songs & adapting them & “lets all do the bouncy”.

    As I said before if I was you I’d drop the arrogance, leave your bedroom for a change, & stop making a fool of yourself, it ill behoves any blooman to lecture anyone on sectarianism, you lot wrote the book.

  • Ray Davies

    Think you are confused there, I mentioned to Owen not all linfield fans would be as peaceful as me, and bearing in mind the offensive nature of some of his comments about bluemen, then clearly some people would not be so peaceful. Love the way you then go on to talk about “key board warrior”- what is it, you want someone to be a “hardman” or not?

    If you have been going to the Oval for “20 odd years” and haven’t heard such comments/chants then you’d better get yourself to an ear doctor.

    There was no “context”, it was a continuation of a theme so beloved by many glenmen, and that is the number of catholics on the Linfield team, think some of them are actually dissapointed that the blues sign RCs.

    I note you now state you think BU fans DID sing the song, but it was all an ironic song, such intelligent crafty songwriters among the ballymena support eh- and as for touchy, ahem, it is the Ballymena fans doing the whinging.

    Utterly ridiculous stance you take on this, sectarianiam is bad, but it is not bad because bluemen once sang nasty songs to us etc etc- a real infant mentality there. I wouldn’t mind so much, but the glens aren’t exactly Alliance loving angels themselves, from football violence, sectarian chanting *and if you want to bring up history* pelting our black players with bananas- think the Netownards Road fruit and veg sales went through the roof in the 1980s. What about your little forray down south in the setanta where a park dedicated to the virgin mary was draped in union flag and some glentoran “woman” arested. No wonder the alliance romps home in east belfast every year and hundreds of short strand residents flock to the Oval *stifles laugh*

    Ahhh, how do you spot a glenman on the run, he resorts to “wannabe rangers”- more cliched bigoted tripe- you’d think the glens were the Kinks of the football song writing world, whereas, in reality, they aren’t- they just rehash songs mainly originating across the water. Think they have one original song *apart from galaneturn *clap clap clap*, some European warblings, except you never hear it being sung at a game

    Go on, spin out another tired old cliche, if it keeps you happy at night, and gets you through the mediocrity of glentoran existence, crack on, meanwhile, we get on with winning trophies 😉

  • Realist

    “Go on, spin out another tired old cliche, if it keeps you happy at night, and gets you through the mediocrity of glentoran existence, crack on, meanwhile, we get on with winning trophies”

    Amen to that!

    Considerably more trophies than Glentoran – as it happens. 🙂

  • Globetrotter

    Cromwell,

    As a season ticket holder at the Oval and a long term patron of the Longfellow I can assure you that I knew Davy very well.

    I stand over my claim that I never saw him at the Oval in my life.

  • Cromwell

    Keyboard Warrior/Watts/Davies,

    I’ll stand by the mildly threatening comment as you’ve just confirmed it.

    Now what would calling bloomen wannabe Rangers have to do with bigotry unless youre on the defensive, & badly losing the plot.

    As for the banana incident, without excusing it, it was comeback for Alan Gracey, who suffered the same if not worse from bloomen many years before.

    As for the rest of your post, its pretty heavy on words & miss-interpretations of my post but full of sound & fury & signifying……..nothing.

    Still bumming & blowing about that riot in Dundalk years ago are you, coming on here trying to pretend bloomen are something theyre not.
    Section F, hanging about outside pubs on Boucher Road, arranging “meets” last season with Cliftonville fans (for what? wee handshake, kiss on the cheek or til get a dig at the fenians?).
    The best you can do is complain that a Glenwoman was arrested somewhere once for hanging a flag somewhere, conveniently forgetting the 4 bloomen arrested a couple of seasons ago for trying to get a dig at the St.Pats fans in Dublin.

    Oh & I forgot that Linfield classic “Oh the bluebells are blue, & the bluebells are blue & the bluebells are blue” ad infinitum.

  • Cromwell

    Globetrotter,

    You are either blind, lying or very wrong, I stood beside him many times, I too am a season ticket holder at the Oval, Davy travelled on our bus to away games occasionally & would’ve been in the club I’m in even more often than the Longfellow, naming no names.

    Realist,

    I cant deny the facts, but I’m from East Belfast, who else would I support? But putting football rivalries aside if you truly are a realist then you’ve gotta agree that some of the crap your fellow Linfield fans slinging about here is pretty foolish.

  • Realist

    “But putting football rivalries aside if you truly are a realist then you’ve gotta agree that some of the crap your fellow Linfield fans slinging about here is pretty foolish”

    Cromwell,

    When one points the finger, one can expect a finger to be pointed back.

  • Cromwell

    Realist,

    Lets get back to basics on this one, Big Daisy is indefensible on this & due process will find him out, as I think you well know, as for the crap thats being slung, again as you well know, Linfield fans would be better off not pointing any fingers as they’ll get many more pointed back, & again lets not do Mr. Donnellys job for him, lets think about why he blogged on this in the first place, dont think for a minute he was doing Linfield any favours.

  • chewnic

    ‘Let’s not do Mr. Donnellys job for him, lets think about why he blogged on this in the first place, dont think for a minute he was doing Linfield any favours.’

    That’s it Cromwell-revert to type- blame those pesky ‘fen-yins’ for causing dissension among the loyal sons of Ulster.-Circle the wagons, lads……………

  • Realist

    Cromwell,

    “Big Daisy is indefensible on this & due process will find him out”

    Perhaps we should wait and see….allow due process to run it’s course?

    “Linfield fans would be better off not pointing any fingers as they’ll get many more pointed back”

    That depends on what direction the fingers are pointing, doesn’t it?

    “lets not do Mr. Donnellys job for him, lets think about why he blogged on this in the first place, dont think for a minute he was doing Linfield any favours”

    Linfield Football Club will continue to be in the business of winning trophies, regardless of what Mr Donnelly’s “job” is.

    In that context, we require no favours from Mr Donnelly.

    We will not be distracted from our business by politically motivated attacks by anyone.

  • Ray Davies

    The only thing confirmed is your fantasy world- good luck with that.

    “Now what would calling bloomen wannabe Rangers have to do with bigotry unless youre on the defensive, & badly losing the plot.”

    It is an idiotic, generalising and, more importantyl erroneous tripe- spewed out by glenmen with chip on their shoulders to try and assuage their feelings of insecurity in the shadows.

    “As for the banana incident, without excusing it, it was comeback for Alan Gracey, who suffered the same if not worse from bloomen many years before.”

    oh you are something else- did you ever work in the SF pr department by any chance? “without excusing it” which is then EXACTLY what you do by saying “it was comeback” (revert back to your infant “they done it first”, which is bogus anyway). What did you do, follow each of these racist glenmen into the fruit and veg stalls of the Newtownards Road and over hear each of them saying “this isnt a racist gesture, this is simply a reminder of what happened to Alan Gracey”- honest to God what an embarrassing little excuse for racism you have given there, good work big lad.

    “Still bumming & blowing about that riot in Dundalk years ago are you, coming on here trying to pretend bloomen are something theyre not. ”

    Losing the plot now I see, that would make sense if I ever suggested Linfield fans are perfect, which I haven’t, so you are basically arguing yourself up an alley- Linfield fans aint perfect and neither are glenturn ones, and for glens’ fans to try and achieve some sort of justification for their existence by claiming moral highground on the matter is really something else *mentions Live cup final knife violence, semi final pitch invasions and hand to hand fighting with portadown etc etc *

    “Section F, hanging about outside pubs on Boucher Road, arranging “meets” last season with Cliftonville fans (for what? wee handshake, kiss on the cheek or til get a dig at the fenians?).”

    no idea what you are on about with that one, but one thing is obvious from your continued rantings, you seem to have issues with Roman Catholicism with your repeated “fen ian” use in various posts- think you need a wee chat with a head doctor sonny

    “The best you can do is complain that a Glenwoman was arrested somewhere once for hanging a flag somewhere, conveniently forgetting the 4 bloomen arrested a couple of seasons ago for trying to get a dig at the St.Pats fans in Dublin.”

    Not the “best”, merely one of many…….

    As for the rest, incorrect on numbers and team (pretty much your staple though eh, incorrect ramblings)- and you are missing the point, we aren’t a club full of angels, but sure as North Stand billy boys, the glens aren’t either.

    Try and decipher the discussion instead of reverting to cliches which weren’t even fashionable when a few idiot glenmen used to write into the Ireland Saturday night

  • Cromwell

    Ray Davies,

    “Incorrect on numbers”,
    You’d know I suppose, because, you angel, were indeed one of them, you silly fool. “Blah blah blah,” yawn!

    Chewnic,

    “Revert to type”, likewise.

    It was all themmuns, we never did nuthin.
    See the blog about Darron Gibson & your exceedingly silly posts.

  • Ray Davies

    Usual gibberish response, and the reason “id know”, Rainbow Alliace Cromweller, is because it was in the papers, 2 were arrested and it involved Shamrock Rovers.

    Oh the sweet irony of you accusing others of “all themmums”- like those banana throwers, indulging in ironic racism, or else “they made us do it”

    heh, you couldn’t make it up……………………….

  • g.morgan

    lets not do Mr. Donnellys job for him, lets think about why he blogged on this in the first place, dont think for a minute he was doing Linfield any favours.

    Posted by Cromwell on Aug 20, 2007 @ 05:55 PM

    Thats it revert to Glentoran type. If it all gets too much, play the old ‘sure we’re all prods together’ card.

  • Cromwell

    Sorry lads,

    I’m just really bored with it now, especially with you 2 posting stuff you dont even believe yourselves.

    There were actually 3 arrested, 2 misguided kids & one a lot, lot, older! Ring any bells. Hands across the border & all that.

    I also suppose since one of you clampets is posting about Glenmen reverting to type, playing the “we’re all prods together card”, you wouldnt know anything about said attempted “dig” with Cliftonville fans & wee silly phone calls being made to East Belfast, said Bloomen asking Glenmen to give them a hand & playing the , yes you guessed it, sure we’re all prods together card!!!

    As for my comments re; Mr. Donnelly, I was pointing out that as you 2 dont visit this website regularly, you wont know that he’s a Sinn Fein worker & is setting Linfield & Big Daisy up for a very large fall.
    But sure how dare anyone criticise Linfield & their fans impeccable record, Linfield uber alles.

  • Ray Davies

    See you been on the morning gin again, heh, I’d lay off it if I was you.

    It was 2 arrested, both ages widely reported in various press *nudge nudge etc etc etc etc, yawn yawn yawn*

    Love your sort of all knowing innuendos, but if you were all knowing you’d know that asking glenmen to give them a hand is about the funniest thing I’ve heard.

    Is it you who wishes to be a “KEYBOARD WARRIOR”, nudge nudge!

    Once again, sort of back to point, Linfield fans don’t have an impeccable record, stick to the facts, no one here is suggesting it- neither do Glentoran fans, which is kinda the point, returning serve in your shaky wee glasshouse there

  • Cromwell

    “Asking glenmen to give them a hand is about the funniest thing I’ve heard.”

    The truth is often hilarious & how we laughed at The Oval when the call was made. But its also funny that earlier you were denying said attempted (& so 1980s) meet ever happened.

    Your lot bust all the windows in the Windsor glasshouse years ago & that is the point of this whole episode. No-one said here that glenmen were innocent, but to try & portray them as worse than your unruly mob is ridiculous in the extreme.

    I’m getting bored with this again, so will point you again towards the last paragraph in my previous post & I’m sure you’ll find we have more in common than we disagree. Yawn, goodbye.

  • Ray Davies

    I think you are mistaken, I never denied it, I denied knowledge of it, which are two separate things.

    You sound in the know, getting phone calls and all, nudge nudge, if it indeed happened 😉

    Also, Id be interested in where I claimed one set of fans were worse than the other- never indulged in such nonsense.

    Anyways, that’s all from me on the matter chum!

  • Cromwell

    Dead on Ray,

    We’ll agree to disagree.

    Think you know more than yer lettin on there, but anyway, I have other fish to fry, dont be a stranger on Slugger!

    All the best.