Bonfire night

Its a little late for composing commentary, but a few photos from 2 of the bonfires this evening. I drove home through Belfast, and it is quite awesome to see the dozens of fires lit over the city. More from me tomorrow, I hope!

By the way, the photos from Stoneyford represent a new departure: the use of the beacon instead of the more familiar bonfire. It was a lot more impressive than I expected, and the fireworks set it off very well. (It’s a 20 feet hight structure)The KAT flag is on the Ballycraigy bonfire, where there was no sign of any forward movement in changing or improving the site. At least not this year- here’s hoping.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Seamas:

    Are you serious? All i did was write the orginal version of a placename!

    Nobody, nobody, nobody describes the city as “Beal Feirste” when they’re speaking English except pretentious idiots.

    A name i use with my friends and family to refer to the city.

    When you’re speaking English ? I don’t believe you for a second.

    RG:

    While i understand this thread is in English Séamas was just using the original Irish name of the city.

    No shit sherlock.

    If an Italian refered to Rome as Roma would you give the same reply?

    Not really the same thing. The Italian language isn’t used by pretentious people as a political football. And in any case I consider that unlikely because Italians don’t feel the need to remind everyone of their Italian nature and background by saying their placenames in their own language while speaking English.

    There are several Irish speakers on Slugger. They generally don’t to sprinkle their English writing with Irish placenames as if to say “look at me, aren’t I great, I can write the placenames in Irish”. People who do so are abusing the language.

    It appears Pounder that Séamas’ first language is Irish Gaelic.

    A very tiny number of people speak Gaelic as their first language, so that’s possible, but unlikely. It doesn’t matter what his first or his fifth language is anyway. He is welcome to speak Irish if he wishes, but please stop this “pretentious, moi, c’est la vie” crap with the language.

    Quick, and correct, reply Frank!

    Ah. I see you’ve now assumed the “patronizing Irish teacher” role. I’ll know to watch out for you.

    liam:

    ok then, comrade Stalin, why dont ya take a spin up to mayfield village,of the hightown road and look around the place.plenty there to see .
    On your way back take a detour down the glenville road and check out a few lamp posts.

    I will do so tomorrow. I live off the Glenville Road. Any specific lamp post ? There are quite a few of them. Whereabouts ? Near the railway bridge ? Or the top ? Or the Glenville Park est. at the bottom ?

  • DK

    KAH spotters – there is a good one at the top of stuart street on the junction box. It says “INLA KAH” and faces the traffic driving to East Belfast or the central train station.

    I also saw a small group of children yesterday in Ballymurphy with home-made KAH signs (in orange paint, too) that they were attempting to attach to the railings for the benefit of drivers using the ringroad.

    For people to come on and claim that they have lived in Belfast and never seen KAH is misinformation of the highest order. I can only guess that they are posting to try and reassure the commentators from abroad that it is only the one side that is bad.

    Oh – another example. The children’s playground in the waterworks near to the Westland estate has graffitti with both KAH and KAT. In some cases there is “F**k the PSNI” followed by either KAH or KAT. Some cross-community progress there then. And I saw it in Ardoyne estate yesterday too, but that would’t have faced protestants so doesn’t count as intimidatory.

  • Cynic

    1.771350931 times.

  • Séamas An Rapaire

    Comrade Stalin

    Nobody, nobody, nobody describes the city as “Béal Feirste” when they’re speaking English except pretentious idiots.

    You really need to take a chill pill.

    My first language is Irish (at least 17,000 others use Gaelic as their language of choice in the North) and i used it in my comment to illustrate that the Belfast i am familiar with is Nationalist Belfast.

    Your remarks about pretentious and patronising Irish speakers are out-dated and ridiculous and illustrate more about your lack of understanding of the Gaelic-speaking comunity than anything else.

    When you’re speaking English? I don’t believe you for a second.

    I don’t speak English with my family. When conversing with friends who do not speak Irish the name Béal Feirste is sometimes used. It’s not a conscious decision, it’s natural.

    Hope you’ll familiarise yourself with the Irish-speaking population before you type anymore unfounded rubbish.

  • barksdale

    “the grim statistic that the catholic community suffered disproportionately during the troubles”.according to chris ryder in his book “fightin fitt p227 “although they were called “tit for tat killings”, about three times as many catholics as protestants were victims”.given that catholics make up a smaller percentage this disparity is even more stark.
    I am well aware that catholics participated in plenty of sectarian acts eg kingsmill,eniskillen etc but the fact remains that they were not tit for tat killngs so much as “tit for tit for tit for tat killings”

  • RG Cuan

    COMRADE STALIN

    Your view of Irish speakers and their use of the language is warped.

    The vast majority of the Irish-speaking community do not use Gaelic as a political football and writing words in their own language is not pretentious. Read Séamas’ comment again – it’s hardly conceited or affected! Cruimh accepted the use of Irish placenames on another thread, why can’t you?

    The only people who mention the ‘abuse’ of Irish are commentators like yourself who obviously have little contact with the Irish-speaking population.

    For some reason you seem to have a chip on your shoulder and your ‘No shit sherlock’ comment says it all really.

    Ah. I see you’ve now assumed the “patronizing Irish teacher” role. I’ll know to watch out for you.

    My comment reflected the fact that myself and Frank were replying at the same time and that i agreed with his answer. After all there was a debate about the placename. The fact you thought this was patronising says a lot more about you than it does about me.

    I have agreed with many of your posts here on Slugger but this sad rant is off base and inaccurate.

  • willowfield

    JOHN

    Yes, I realise that. How does that alter the grim statistic that the catholic community suffered disproportionately during the troubles.

    It alters the context, since you were making the point in relation to threats of “KAT”, thus implying that the fact that Roman Catholics supposedly suffered disproportionately during the Troubles was as a result of people (i.e. “loyalists”) responding to the cry of “KAT”. In fact, many of those killed were murdered by members of their own community.

  • The Pink lobster

    “I live in South Belfast and travel all around the city regularly. I’ve never seen KAH, though i don’t dispute there may be some random examples”

    I live in South Belfast too and there is a giant KAH painted on the shutter of the Christian charity shop, just next to xtra-vision, on the corner of Ormeau Rd and Sunnyside St. There is a giant KAT painted, not far away, besides the Ormeau Bakery.