• circles

    Any more info on this test Gonzo? Like who and why?
    I mean its so clearly rigged I wonder what the purpose of it is – I have that kind of “its not big and its not clever” feeling but if I knew what it was all about it could be mildly interesting, if of no real significance.

  • Briso

    Belfast Gonzo @ 04:23 AM
    >DO the test. Anyone surprised?

    “By responding more quickly to associating Protestants with pleasant this has indicated you have a preference towards Protestants.”

    Stunned to be honest. I don’t see how this can be right! I’m not pro-GAA so maybe that’s what tipped the balance. Weird…..

  • kensei

    Ha! I cam out with no preference, though I was very slightly pro-Catholic in the raw figures.

    The mechanics of this test are covered in “Blink”, based on a race scenario in America. I was wondering if they would ever do one for here. More here:

    https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/

    The way you presented it was actually disingenuous. What they found, was that yes, white people had a positive correlation to white/pleasant. But what they also found, surprisingly, that a hell of a lot of black people had a positive correlation with white/pleasant. Negative images of black people in the media were so prevalent that even people of the same race had negative images associated with race.

    There is apparently only one way to change your result. Read or watch something positive about that particular group.

  • Hogan from County Tyrone

    I am offically not a bigot!

  • Token Dissent

    I will be walking around the rest of the day with my halo firmly in place. 0.03 seconds away from being a model citizen!

  • URQUHART

    That was fun. What would be very interesting is if we could find out from them some stats on the nature of those who have taken the test after linking to it from Slugger.

    Could be an interesting insight into readership maybe…

    Hop to it Mick!

  • juan

    and Gentlemen prefer prods ! who’d a thunk it……….

    perhaps the order of the words or the order of the catagories effect awarness, like your proddy responses are faster because your more aware of what to expect at that stage have seen the words once already.
    Or perhaps as a little patriot your response has greater enthusiasim towards symbols etc. you enjoy, this is not really the same thing as preference of one group over another and to say that your response to your own culture being faster than to any other is a comment on your apptitude to secterianism is contrived (I enjoy primitive Baptist theology, this does not mean i disparage Lutherans or indeed Lutheranism). The idea of the absolute symbiosis (pardon the term)of Irish cultures rings to me like it came from offshore, my enjoyment of flute music is not neccisarily me denigratating tin whistles, given also that the stimuli seems to have been constructed to the most basic criteria, I wonder if the material on offer can produce anything like even a basic reflection on the often complex behaviour and beliefs that are responsible for our (come on guys admit it)secterian attitudes.

  • IJP

    That’s a ridiculous test.

    You get quicker at pressing the keys as you get more used to it.

    So whichever of “Protestant/Pleasant” or “Catholic/Pleasant” comes last will win.

    Leaving aside the nonsense of associating things with pleasantness or a sectarian side.

  • kensei

    “That’s a ridiculous test.
    You get quicker at pressing the keys as you get more used to it.
    So whichever of “Protestant/Pleasant” or “Catholic/Pleasant” comes last will win.
    Leaving aside the nonsense of associating things with pleasantness or a sectarian side. ”

    No, IJP, you are being ridiculous (I take it it you didn’t like your results). You seriously think they never thought of that? The test takes into account the fact that you learn by making you do the same thing multiple times. I challenge you to try it as often as you like and see if you get a different result. You can’t. I know because I tried repeatedly on the race one because I didn’t believe the result.

    Please, before you criticise, read the blimmin’ link I provided. There is some decent science (well, for social sciences :P) behind it form Harvard. An excellent quote form there:

    Many years ago, Fyodor Dostoyevsky wrote: “Every man has reminiscences which he would not tell to everyone but only his friends. He has other matters in his mind which he would not reveal even to his friends, but only to himself, and that in secret. But there are other things which a man is afraid to tell even to himself, and every decent man has a number of such things stored away in his mind.”

  • Harry Flashman

    I can’t get it to work.

  • Catholic with pleasant. Protestant with unpleasant: 0.958 seconds
    Protestant with pleasant. Catholic with unpleasant: 0.846 seconds

    By responding more quickly to associating Protestants with pleasant this has indicated you have a preference towards Protestants
    =================================================
    Weird… I thought I hated all religions the same!

    It’s skewed though in favour of associating Catholic with Unpleasant… it’s hard to see the words Pope and Priest without thinking unpleasant things. They should have thrown in “Ian Paisley” and “Young Earth Creationist” for a bit of balance.

    I was also probably minorly affected by the good times I shared with my reformed presbyterian ex-girlfriend.

    Anyhoo… it’s all stupid pseudo science anyway…

  • bootman

    By responding more quickly to associating Catholic with pleasant this has indicated you have a preference towards Catholics

    Thank you for your participation. Please press Enter to return to the start of the test.

    No, rather I think it means I find the orange order and the Union Jack unpleasant.

  • Briso

    Posted by Unrepentant Fenian Bastard on Jun 19, 2007 @ 11:05 AM
    >It’s skewed though in favour of associating
    >Catholic with Unpleasant… it’s hard to see the
    >words Pope and Priest without thinking
    >unpleasant things.

    Indeed, Pope, priest and GAA. My result isn’t so surprising when I think about it. I can’t possibly prefer protestants. Being a typical Derry taig of my generation, I barely know any….

  • joeCanuck

    test wouldn’t work for me

  • Ziznivy

    You certainly do get quicker as you get used to it IJP. It’s a pretty meaningless test even though I suppose it’s fun. The answers are indeed skewed also.

    Below is a summary of the average response time for the two different configurations

    “Catholic with pleasant. Protestant with unpleasant: 1.322 seconds
    Protestant with pleasant. Catholic with unpleasant: 1.035 seconds

    By responding much more quickly to associating Protestants with pleasant this has indicated you have a distinct preference towards Protestants”

  • Catholic with pleasant. Protestant with unpleasant: 1.047 seconds
    Protestant with pleasant. Catholic with unpleasant: 1.455 seconds

    By responding more quickly to associating Catholic with pleasant this has indicated you have a preference towards Catholics

    =================================

    Yes, I’m a bigot.

  • Oh, but:

    Your data suggest a slight automatic preference for Black People compared to White People.

    ====

    But I went into that test determined that I’d have a slight automatic preference for Black People.

    I suspect these things are probably very interesting when done en masse, but worse than useless when looked at individually.

  • PeaceandJustice

    Sammy Morse – “Yes, I’m a bigot.” Now tell us something we didn’t know! 🙂

  • Aislingeach

    Took it twice–got different results (one said I favored Protestants, the other said I favored Catholics). Oddly interesting, but…

  • circles

    Anyway, gentlemen prefer prods

    (or was that blondes refer prods? or something to do with quick fingers? d’oh does this make me an atheist or a republican? Can I be a loyal taig? awwwwww man, existential breakdown coming on, somebody call the FMDFM surely they can help me……..)

  • kensei

    “I suspect these things are probably very interesting when done en masse, but worse than useless when looked at individually.”

    It is interesting on an individual level too, because implicit biases can subtly affect our judgement even when we strive, consciously, to be fair and impartial people. This excerpt from Blink kind of gives the idea, but there are better bits in it and I recommend reading it. Like “the Tipping Point”, it’s got some really great, thought provoking, ideas.

    http://www.gladwell.com/blink/blink_excerpt2.html

  • G

    Harry & Joe, click in the blue frame on the screen and then try it.

  • It is interesting on an individual level too, because implicit biases can subtly affect our judgement

    I totally, fundamentally disagree here; I’m struggling to see why I allegedly have some anti-white/pro-black bias; like most civilised people I try to be as colour blind as possible but I was socialised in an environment with a lot of fairly unashamed racism and if I have any underlying prejudice, it would be the other way.

    Besides, it does two things that I destest – firstly, it makes us all out to be subconscious racists in need of re-education and improving (and even if, by some miracle, we ourselves aren’t then the organisations we belong to are), and secondly, it implies that we can’t do anything about our prejudices, that how we are socialised in childhood determines our views forever, that we are prisoners of our subconscious.

    As a great Chinese sage said, “ballicks”. We can change, grow, develop and challenge ourselves and our world; the rush to defeatism and self-hatred is the left’s greatest betrayal of its own core values.

  • Oh, the height stuff is really interesting; I always thought that in most (not all) randomly thrown together groups, leadership tends to defer to the tallest person.

  • circles

    I have a moderate preference for Arab Muslims apparently……
    This exercise struck me at first as random nonsens on a par with interpreting statistics and tea leaves, then I thought “oh there must be something in it” – but after the last few tests at that Implicit site, well its a load of old balderdash. I mean really! C’mon people!
    The phrase “only in America” certainly fits here.

  • hotdogx

    after the test apparently im a protestant, who prefers catholics,hope u guys arent takin this too seriously!

  • GavBelfast

    Below is a summary of the average response time for the two different configurations

    Catholic with pleasant. Protestant with unpleasant: 1.005 seconds
    Protestant with pleasant. Catholic with unpleasant: 1.037 seconds

    By responding more quickly to associating Catholic with pleasant this has indicated you have a preference towards Catholics

    Thank you for your participation. Please press Enter to return to the start of the test.

    It doesn’t tell me anything but, yes, it did pass five minutes.

  • kensei

    “Besides, it does two things that I destest – firstly, it makes us all out to be subconscious racists in need of re-education and improving (and even if, by some miracle, we ourselves aren’t then the organisations we belong to are), and secondly, it implies that we can’t do anything about our prejudices, that how we are socialised in childhood determines our views forever, that we are prisoners of our subconscious.”

    No, it does not do either of those things. But to an extent we are prisoners of our subconscious. “Blink” is based on the making of snap decisions, how to harness that and when it can go wrong. Studies have shown that Tennis or Baseball players can pick up cues, subconsciously, that means they can determine the speed and height of a ball before it is even hit; and return balls an amateur has no hope at. I presented you an article on that, you’d probably have little problem with it. Equally, subliminal advertising has been shown to have an effect. But suggest that cues and attitudes we have picked up may influence us and you throw a hissy fit.

    It no more traps us than pointing out concious stereotyping. It is merely a tool to examine our behaviour, and if you are really super keen on equality, guarding against it. Read the blimmin book.

    “Oh, the height stuff is really interesting; I always thought that in most (not all) randomly thrown together groups, leadership tends to defer to the tallest person.”

    And you can buy that, to an extent, but you can’t buy the fact that race might play a part. Why – because you dislike the conclusions?

  • Pounder

    Apparently I favour catholics, but only by 0.002 of a second aparently just because I think the new rangers kit looks like ass, and blue was never my colour anyway, everyone knows i’m an autum.

  • And you can buy that, to an extent, but you can’t buy the fact that race might play a part. Why – because you dislike the conclusions?

    It could be. Subconsciously. But then again, it could be because so many people’s answers here are at wild variance from their political/ethnic preferences.

  • bertie

    First go

    Catholic with pleasant. Protestant with unpleasant: 1.211 seconds
    Protestant with pleasant. Catholic with unpleasant: 1.196 seconds

    By responding more quickly to associating Protestants with pleasant this has indicated you have a preference towards Protestants.

    just over 1% difference in response times. Not deeply significant say I.

    I am also not sure what my opinion would be if it was a significant %. Would it mean that I was more positively disposed to Protestantism over Roman Catholicism or Protestants over Roman Catholics which is different.

  • bertie

    second time preference towards Catholics. I really need to find something else to do 😉

  • circles

    or bertie unionism over nationalism, or loyalism over republicanism.

    The slightly free and easy manner of combining the Pope and the tricolour and Glasgow Celtic for “Catholic” and the Queen, The Union Flag and Glasgo Rangers for Proetstant for example is a blurring of relativly clear differences that I didn’t appreciate in this “test”.
    What it does then is simply to assume that stereotypes are correct (all fenians love the pope and support celtic, prods love the queen, the flag and Rangers) and then uses a random series of words and images to try and tell you that you prefer this or that on the basis of timed reactions to these stereotypical images.

    All it really says is that you probably identfy more with your own community – shock horror, fancy that now! (and even that isn’t always he result)

  • bertie

    circles I had the same problem.

    I have to go outside my own judgements to associate the Union Jack with Protestant. The Queen was easier as she is one 😉

  • bertie

    Oh and I forgot

    “after the test apparently im a protestant, who prefers catholics,hope u guys arent takin this too seriously!

    Posted by hotdogx on Jun 19, 2007 @ 05:32 PM”

    Lundy bastard! 😉

  • Frank Sinistra

    Was the test commissioned by the BBC?

    I find it interesting that they would automatically associate Catholic with Celtic and the Tricolour, and Protestant with Rangers and the Union flag.

    No deviation was permitted from this imposed linkage.

    Seems the real bigotry exposed was on the part of those setting the test. Casual easy automatic sectarianism and I should take their test seriously why?

  • bertie

    Frank

    I may be wrong but I suspect that (annoying as it is) it doesn’t matter in terms of taking the test. I think that they first of all establish these symbols as relating to one or the other (the fact that that might be bogus is not relevant for the purpose) and then use that. If you say “Protestant” for the tricolour, it will “correct” you.

  • BOM

    I prefer Catholics surprise surprise but not by a big margin and the Catholic association with pleasant was first so I cant agree that you get faster as the test goes on!!

    It doesnt tell me anything I didnt know though because of course people who have faith in a religion are going to prefer it to any other??

    Give me anyone who says different and I will eat my hat!!

    Whats the point?

  • darth rumsfeld

    Hmmm
    I prefer Protestants by 1.15 to 0.74
    Surely that’s too moderate?

    I’ll get me sash

  • Ach, darth underneath that gruff Orange exterior beats the heart of a pure Athletico supporting liberal.