Hungerstrike film

Big Ulsterman has his own opinions on the Bobby Sands film.

Like the IRA’s many victims, the film will be shot in Northern Ireland.

  • circles

    Thats a Basil Brush line if ever there was one – such a respectful tone to take for the 3 700 plus. Obviously Big Ulsterman couldn’t resist a cheap joke on their account.

    Very tasteful.

  • protorious

    I’m actually quite looking forward to this film…

    An anaylsis of the use of the body for ideological purposes? I think it has potential to be interesting… though McQueen is directing it so all the film may be is a guy sitting in the bed…

    From a variety of angles…

    In black and white…

    And then a HOUSE FALLS DOWN!

  • Concerned Loyalist

    It would be funny if wasn’t so serious…but it is a serious matter, thus it isn’t funny. Would we make similar jokes about 9/11 or the tsunami in New Orleans?

  • Ziznivy

    Steve McQueen?!!

  • Dec

    tsunami in New Orleans?

    Good grief…

  • Dec

    I would take issue with Big Ulsterman’s conclusion that:

    “Tragically for them and their friends and families, he and ten colleagues died in this effort which did not succeed in its aims.

    Maybe he reads the same history books as Concerned Loyalist?

  • Michael Shilliday

    I didn’t think it was tasteless actually, thought it was incisive.

  • Concerned Meteorologist

    tsunami in New Orleans?

    Exactly. I’d just like to remind you that hurricanes were formed in reponse to the threat posed to the Protes.. sorry Caribbean community by tsunami’s. Hurricanes protect their people, thats why I fawn over them.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    tsunami in New Orleans?

    Good grief…

    Posted by Dec on May 22, 2007 @ 03:33 PM

    Good grief what? Can’t stand arseholes who take a swipe at me because of my political beliefs yet don’t address the question…

  • protorious

    CL,

    Psssttt… it wasn’t a tsunami…they’re thet aking the piss out of because of that….

    On your actual point, I think making non-specific vaguely witting comments about a 40 year old conflict is slightly different from making fun of people who died in a natural disaster…

    Insensitive to the people who where shot by the IRA you say? Well I geuss we better stop taking the piss out of the IRA… at last a reason to stop Give My Head Peace!

  • “I didn’t think it was tasteless actually, thought it was incisive.”

    Agreed.

  • OH MY GOD! SHockingly funny. Like it’s horribly anti-nationalist and in bad tast but at the same time so short, to the point and hilarious.

  • Harold Saxon

    Another helping of a hungerstrike movie. I remember watching Some Mothers Son and after it finished I realised I was very hungry indeed.

  • Liam Lappin

    I am looking forward to the film being released. Bobby Sands and his nine comrades are held in high estem by Irish sympathisers worldwide. There are even streets and roads named after them. Their sacrifice proved that the republican struggle was not a crime. In Bobby Sands’ own words, ‘Our revenge will be the laughter of our children’.

  • juan

    “Bobby Sands and his nine comrades are held in high estem by Irish sympathisers worldwide” and as such will make McQueen a mint. whoop it up for Bobby !
    The new Che Chuvara ! where my t-shirt maker, we could all make a bit here, if it worked for Gerry………….

    oh and ps, to suggest that 10 crazy and utterly sold out fanatics (why not see what the sands family says on the subject ?), who died in a remote prison for the lies of career politicians and embittered priests in an utterly futile publicity stunt would render 3 generations of theiving murdering and drug dealing by different individuals somehow non criminal is a real rib tickler, i would remind you of your Irish culture, what was it Oscar Wilde said ?(actually he’s an aul brit anyway ,isn’t he….) ‘just because a man professes to die for a cause, it doea not mean that that cause is correct’

    to suggest that visting violence on yourself legitimises violence forced on others simply because the self harmer approved is utterly wrong, murders cannot buy they way out of prison and acts of violence do not offset each other, nor can the assertion of lunatics that it is not actually a crime to shoot and bomb innocent men women and children so long as your really beleive in what you are doing render in reality the shooting and bombing of innocent men women and children legitimate. it just means the guy starving himself to death is crazy.

  • Prince Eoghan

    Jaun.

    Que?

    Quite a pathetic post by BU and frankly at odds with much of his past content. He usually is the type of Unionist that extends the hand of friendship, and advocates tolerance. Unfortunately (for him) he is receiving kudos from those who would be diametrically opposed to the ideals he usually represents.

    I am more than happy to hear the ‘laughter of my children’ but I would rather that my generation saw of the dinosaurs that thwarted the laughter of previous generations of children.

  • juan

    reconciliation is a two way street not a victory march. While we have reconciled Reublicanism to democracy through brave and generous compromises the only reconciliation SF seem capable of is rehashing old triumphalist stunts and demanding people accept them, this to any rational individual is clearly imposition hiding behind positive buzz words, a genuine act of reconciliation would be to assert the evil of the republican death cult, to admitt that the hunger strikes were contrived, explotative, unjust and futile and indeed to simply apoligise for the decades of crime that they claim the action of self starvation be 10 individual enthusiasts somehow legitimises.
    Sin fein must forst get off the high horse and regocnise their duty to clean up all the horse shit they left in their wake and work towards sacrificing some of their demands and impositions in order to meet unionists half way.

  • Prince Eoghan

    >>reconciliation is a two way street not a victory march.< >While we have reconciled Reublicanism to democracy through brave and generous compromises< >meet unionists half way.<

  • juan

    “I don’t wish to be rude Juan, but are you for real” – yes i am, are you ?

    “Don’t you have to understand democracy first, before you can reconcile others? What were these ‘brave’ and ‘generous’ compromises exactly Jaun?” – what areas of democracy do you feel i or the Unionist parties misunderstand ? Other examples include the freeing of paramilitary prisoners (think now before you blurb up about the UDA) the changes to the police, the nutralisation of court decoration and the acceptance of those with a terrorist past in the goverement, as i say these are bold and generous compromises, (to be fair the abandonment of the republican ideals and the acceptance of the police and British Authority could also be seen as such although as those who refuse to help the police catch active terroists will tell you, this is merely a ruse….and because of this open admition can only be viewed as political oppertunism)

    “Do you really believe that any Unionist has ever even came a quarter of the way ever. Wise up! ” – In that the state has passed equlity and even pro catholic discrimination legislation, removed national symbols from public buildngs, funded St.Patricks day parades and gaelic language zones yes i really do, tell me, what sincere compromises have SF made ? my God man, they cant even apolgise for murders they carried out, ostensibly for ideals they now by action seem to repute.

    so tell me, clearly, on what points do i need to wise up ?

  • Pounder

    Republicans are prepared to meet Unionists half way, or atleast appear that way as long as the brit TV stations film it and Labour fork over a few million for a new boxing club or whatever in the area.

    Republicans are just as biggoted as Unionists if not more so, it’s just that they learned politics in jail while Loyalists prefered arts and craft classes.

  • Prince Eoghan

    Jaun.

    >>what areas of democracy do you feel i or the Unionist parties misunderstand ?< >he changes to the police, the nutralisation of court decoration and the acceptance of those with a terrorist past in the goverement< >n that the state has passed equlity and even pro catholic discrimination legislation< >funded St.Patricks day parades and gaelic language zones yes i really do, tell me, what sincere compromises have SF made ?< >God man, they cant even apolgise for murders they carried out, ostensibly for ideals they now by action seem to repute.<

  • pith

    Let’s hope the film includes some that great Bobby Sands poetry. There won’t be a dry seat in the house.

  • Prince Eoghan

    >>Republicans are just as biggoted as Unionists if not more so,< >it’s just that they learned politics in jail while Loyalists prefered arts and craft classes.<

  • BP1078

    Prince Eoghan
    Gerrymandering in areas where Protestants didn’t have a majority, right up to refusing to adhere to the wishes of the electorate in the assembly elections. How’s that for starters

    But the vast majority of Unionists(let’s keep to their political rather than their religious affiliations-I’m not as sure, as you apparently are, whether all unionists are protestants or not) voted for the DUP/UUP in the assembly elections. Both parties stood on a platform of fully participating in the assembly…so, are you saying the people who voted for these parties are now “refusing to adhere” to their *own* wishes…or what exactly? AFAIK only 12,000 Unionists voted for abstentionist canditates.

    Regarding your problems with BU’s “pathetic” post, I’ve re-read it and, as far as I can see, he hasn’t posted up any specific untruths.
    What parts exactly do you disagree with?

  • Prince Eoghan

    >>(let’s keep to their political rather than their religious affiliations-I’m not as sure, as you apparently are, whether all unionists are protestants or not)< >But the vast majority of Unionists (sic) voted for the DUP/UUP in the assembly elections. Both parties stood on a platform of fully participating in the assembly< >Regarding your problems with BU’s “pathetic” post, I’ve re-read it and, as far as I can see, he hasn’t posted up any specific untruths.
    What parts exactly do you disagree with?<

  • BP1078

    Sure the UUP did, but the DUP were a bit ambiguous about their intentions, even all the arm-chair professionals on here couldn’t call it for sure if you remember.

    Well…they seemed to have carried most of their voters with them along that Stormont path right into Martin’s welcoming arms. And there was a definite abstentionist alternative open for Unionists, but only 12,000 took it.

    My point on BU’s post is it was pretty factual and(apart from perhaps his last sentence) objective, I can’t really see what you would or others would find as “belligerent”.

  • dodrade

    I don’t like to prejudge a film before I see it but i’ll be amazed if Bobby Sands isn’t portrayed as a hybrid of Jesus Christ/William Wallace/Nelson Mandela, father of the peace process selflessly giving his life for the “equality agenda”.

    And the title? Obviously “the laughter of our children” with the last shot of kids playing in today’s peaceful northern ireland, which Sands “made possible.”

  • Prince Eoghan

    >>Well…they seemed to have carried most of their voters with them along that Stormont path right into Martin’s welcoming arms.< >And there was a definite abstentionist alternative open for Unionists, but only 12,000 took it.<

  • BP1078

    I know this topic is aired on another thread, but would you rather go back to inter-communal conflict from the top down, rather than the thus far successful peace process?

    I’d rather not have a fundamentalist bigot and a terrorist in charge of my country, but if that’s what the majority of the public wants and guarantees *peace* then fair enough.

  • Cahal

    “I’d rather not have a fundamentalist bigot and a terrorist in charge of my country”

    I’d hardly call Gordan Brown a fundamentalist.

  • Prince Eoghan

    Cahal.

    >>I’d hardly call Gordon Brown a fundamentalist.<

  • Bearhunter

    What are they calling this movie? Thinner?

  • Prince Eoghan

    Bearhunter.

    Hello!

    I wouldn’t bother going if I were you, the plot might be too difficult to follow. And if there is subtitles, you know that’s you fucked!