A pin cushion, perhaps?

Taoiseach Bertie Ahern has promised that, should Fianna Fail still be in government after the next election, he will allocate €5m [not personally, natch – Ed] to an international competition to design and construct a “monument to peace” to be located in the border region.. so much for the needle in the cathedral.. perhaps something straddling that border would be a fitting memorial monument..

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  • How about a wall? Something like the Israeli’s have done.

  • Pete Baker

    maca

    You may have hit on something there.. ;o)

    And welcome back.

  • Ah yes, something that will be on the scale of the Dublin Spire or Newcastle’s Angel of the North (I actually don’t think either of those structures are bad at all – I know there are plenty who do)

    I’d actually look forward to the entries made to the “international competition”, though – you’re obviously going to have plenty of high-concept visual metaphors but I’d be looking out for the unimaginative ones like a red hand playing a harp or a man in an orange top hugging a man in a green top.

  • Pete Baker

    Adam

    If only we could get some public art with the impact of the Angel of the North.

    Actually I’m a fan of a lot of Antony Gormley’s work.. in particular, Another Place

    Sadly our public art seems struck dumb by literalism.

  • “If only we could get some public art with the impact of the Angel of the North”

    That’s an awful looking yoke tbh.

  • Pete Baker

    Well, maca, I would count t’Angel as one of his works that I’m a fan of.

  • Well if he does similar for the ‘monument to peace’ can ye keep it on your side of the border? 🙂

  • Pete Baker

    I’d keep it in my back garden if possible.

  • james orr

    What about a big red diesel factory?

  • “I’d keep it in my back garden if possible.”

    Neighbours would love you i’m sure.

  • Pete Baker

    Feck ’em. ;o)

  • Oilibhear Chromaill

    I’d welcome an Angel of the North or some such though I have to say that I’m not so sure about it ‘straddlling the border’ as the landmark, presumably, is meant to be a permanent fixture and the border, well, let’s say it’s a temporary arrangement.

  • mnob

    but OC – even having it in the ‘border region’ is the same thing.

  • Cromwell

    We could have one on either side, just like the two Koreas, something along the lines of mine’s is better than yours so it is.

  • T.Ruth

    How about a giant statue of Cuchullain standing with shield and spear defending the North.Or perhaps a huge DNA symbol to show that all our northern DNA is the same and our differences are culturally developed.By the way those who think the border will melt away have been too influenced by global warming theory.
    DNA studies will reveal little Celtic influence in the Irish blood lines and we are all of the same stock. Demographic realities will ensure a numerically increasing Unionist majoority during this century so its time to put the past behind and work together to make Northern Ireland a great place to live.
    T.Ruth.

  • merrie

    If you are going to have Cúchulaind defending the north, perhaps it should be in Dún Dealgan where he lived and that is south of the current border. Ancient Ulster was much bigger than NI.

    (imagining Pete’s backyard with a hulking great Cúchulaind statue in it, sword upraised, bird picking his eyes, perhaps carrying the three heads of the sons of Nechta Scene in the other hand with the remains of the 1000s of his other victims scattered around him. You’ll have to have a mighty big backyard Pete)

    This is a proposal for a **peace** memorial so IMO something not associated with warfare and bloodshed would be better so a big red left hand would not be appropriate either.

  • bootman

    How about a catholic and protestant riding?

    (on the border of course)

  • DK

    Should be some sort of shared culture thing. How about a massive bottle of Buckfast? It has the advantages of showing the influence of England as well, since that is where it is made.

  • DK – But only if it has a Guinness as well as we must remember the Irish influence as well

  • Tochais Síoraí

    If Bertie’s Minister of the environment and the county council planning depts have anything to do with it, it probably will end up in someone’s back garden.

  • Tochais Síoraí

    Hey Bootman, all very well but who’d be on top?

  • C-X

    Was on the BBC forums for this and some knowledgable chap (can’t claim the idea for my own) came up with planting of various species of Irish trees in a park…something artistic anyway. It would serve a dual purpose for the environment (as Northern Ireland is the least wooded area in Europe) and cost a LOT less than five million euros.

    The remainder could go to a “peace and reconcilliation” barbeque out the back of my house. Bring your own beer/token of forgiveness.

  • pith

    A big snowball?

  • merrie

    C-X
    That is a brilliant idea. Reforesting a part of NI with native trees will be a very fitting peace memorial.

    I did not know that NI is the least wooded area in Europe, though I knew a lot of its forests had been used to build ships so that Britannia could rule the waves, etc. And some areas that is considered forest (such around Sleive Gullion) are non-native pine trees planted in boring straight rows for commercial purposes, so if these are discounted then NI is even more bereft of trees.

    I understand that huge oak trees (one of the seven Irish “noble” trees) used to grow in the border area and if the new forest also includes all the ancient four classes of trees (as mentioned in Becbretha) then we could once again have a landscape that people from Cúchulaind’s time would recognise.

    As well, people from NI and everywhere else can have seeds or little plants from the forest to take home with them and grow in their backyards. And such a forest will benefit the planet by helping reduce global warming. Etc. etc…

  • hotdogx

    instead of some feckin statue or some useles ting like dat, berty would be better off spending our tax money on a useful monument like reopening the sligo enniskillen line. It would be a very logical next stage to the western rail corridor which already runs all the way to cork from sligo, thats a real cross boarder body and a real lasting useful monument, the border region needs it. Any opinions on this anybody?

  • Rory (South Derry)

    What about a statue of a Provo bent over getting it doggy style! (Outside Sevastepol Street in place of the Bobby Sands Painting)

    Just represent what the brits have done to them!

  • Frustrated Democrat

    I think the planting of about 5 million native trees across Ireland which would be immediately listed, one for every person living on this island would be the most fitting tribute. In a 100 years time the inhabitants could look back and say ‘jezzus wasn’t thon Bertie some bhoy’.

  • Conor Mac

    Rory (South Derry)

    Lets get the statue right man!

    Lets have the Provo Bent over getting played from both ends (One North – One South)!

    Just to show how Bertie & Tony played the tramps!

  • DK

    “I did not know that NI is the least wooded area in Europe, though I knew a lot of its forests had been used to build ships so that Britannia could rule the waves, etc. And some areas that is considered forest (such around Sleive Gullion) are non-native pine trees planted in boring straight rows for commercial purposes, so if these are discounted then NI is even more bereft of trees.”

    Well, actually Iceland and the Faroe Islands have better claims to lack of woodland, but they have a good excuse. Our decline is mostly through a failure to re-plant.

    Having surveyed it, I can safetly say that the vast bulk (80%+) of NI forests are non-native conifer plantations, mostly Sitka Spruce. There are probably NO native woodlands left, although I have heard claims for a remote valley in the Glens and some Islands in Fermanagh.

    So I am all in favour of a big re-afforestation project – but where would it be? Can I be the first to suggest this as an alternative plan for the Maze site. At least the tree choice would be uncontentious – the Oak is the national tree of both England and Ireland.

  • C-X

    I think its by far the most practical, economical and intelligent choice to work with Oak trees or any species of tree.

    The rest of the money can be used to expand the park (the Maze would be an awesome area and it would mean that the new stadium could be kept in Belfast-always a plus.) and build hotels, retail facilities etc. nearby.

    See win, win, win.