8th May for a restart….

When all the hyperbole is done, the date is probably most significant aspect of this deal, for Sinn Fein at least. Talk has been of an election in the Republic on 17th, though it could come as early as 11th May. The restart on the 9th is as sweet a present as they could have asked for.

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  • Dan

    The elections in Scotland and Wales are 7th May and Nu-Labour will do badly so a good news story to distract the media helps Blair. Also Blair plans to resign as party leader and start the contest soon after so this means Blair is still in charge as it ends.

  • Mick Fealty

    Too late for that surely Dan on polling day. I can’t see that either government benefits quite in the same way as SF does.

  • Harris

    “8th May for a restart….”

    OK, so now that this is sorted out, who wants to bet on this day coming and going with no assembly?

  • Mick Fealty

    Who’s going to bust it Harris?

  • pith

    I’m wondering with which previous Unionist leader Paisley compares best – O’Neill, Faulkner or Trimble or any of the others? Trimble seems the obvious answer simply because we are living in relatively similar times and dealing with relatively similar issues. Plus the significant engagement for both has been with the Republican movement rather than with “constitional nationalism”.

  • Glensman

    ‘Constitutional Nathionalism’?

    You have to speak to whoever has the mandate to respond. That is SF, when trimble was ‘in power’ the SDLP were the bigger party.

  • delta omega

    A DUP inside source is suggesting that that the establishment of the executive will be the Monday AFTER the general election in RoI. No benefit to SF from that.

  • Keyser Söze

    All seems to have gone strangely smooth in a very short period of time.

    Surely the DUP would have preferred all this behind closed doors and not to hand Adams, what is in effect, a propoganda coup?

    I have only seen pictures (on the tv in work) and no sound, is it me or does Paisley look very uncomfortable with the whole thing Could it be that the Shinners had such a strong bargaining position that they could have dragged the DUP, like a rabbit caught in the headlights, into this position?

    and lastly, how uncomfortable must this make the DUP hardcore who voted for the resolution on saturday, surely they wouldn’t have thought this woul happen?

  • SuperSoupy

    Delta,

    Another DUP source said: “..we, as a party, have agreed the timing, the setting- up and working of the institutions. Today, we have agreed with Sinn Fein that this date will be Tuesday May 8, 2007.”

    That source was Ian Paisley, who is your source?

  • Gréagóir O’ Frainclín

    So NI is to get it’s own form of ‘Home Rule’ with the Unionists finally agreeing to share power with Nationalists. Maybe the last 30 odd years of mayhem and strife could have been avoided had this come about circa 1973 and the Sunningdale Agreement. Actually, maybe the last 90 odd years could have been avoided had this agreement come about prior to the Great War. Home Rule was a fair request; a fair request for Irish people to look after their own affairs. Ireland would not have been partitioned and the whole island would have prospered more than likely in time. And today the whole of the island would have been independant, yet within the UK and the Commonwealth as proposed by Arthur Griffth, founder of Sinn Féin. What if …what if, But fortunately today they have finally come to an agreement in NI and the devolution deal has been done. The work starts now. Better late than never and good luck to all involved!

  • Yokel

    Deals done lads, whats it to be now, claiming its a success for one side over the other?

    Fuck that, each side got their electorate onboard and have broadly met their electorates requirement on a deal so far.

    Now its down to getting lots of money to make decisons a lot easier for 7 SF & DUP ministers.

  • Briso

    Posted by Mick Fealty on Mar 26, 2007 @ 12:50 PM
    >Who’s going to bust it Harris?

    Securocrats.

  • George

    Delta and SuperSoupy,
    there has been no announcement on when the Dáil election will be. But it seems certain to be after May 8.

    Ahern has said it will be on a Thursday and there has been talk that it could be at the end of May.

    It may even be on the 19th, two days after the release of one of those convicted over the killing of Garda McCabe.

  • Keyser Söze

    I’d go for Thursday 24th May for Dail elections. Plenty to keep the politcal scene to be ticking over – this could be a most defining year for Iirsh politics indeed.

  • Ingram

    Mick,

    quote Who’s going to bust it Harris unquote

    One must question why six weeks is going to make so much difference, I said on Friday that Monday would come and go and I am with Harris on the May deadline coming and going.

    Who will bust it? Clearly the DUP are the only bank buster but given HMG will be in a stage of stagnant hibenation at this point I can see the DUP pulling a Sinn Fein manourvre at the eleventh hour.

    Regards.

    Marty

  • Norn Iron is moving on, the tone of the two statements underscores that reality.
    Fantastic news

  • Ingram

    Parcifal,

    Hope you are right.

    Marty

  • Billy Pilgrim

    Parcifal

    I hope you’re right too. But frankly, I’ll believe in the power-sharing executive when I see it. There are still a great many powerful hidden hands at work in our deal beloved little coconut colony. As I said on another thread, the one great variable is “events, dear boy, events”.

    And here in NI, we have a long history of “events” intervening and saving the status quo.

    I hope to be proven wrong, and the events of this morning were certainly very encouraging, but let’s wait and see.

  • heck

    what are the odd on something being “uncovered” by the HIT which brings the whole thing down?

  • USA

    Great news, watched a BBC stream in the US and actually heard Ian Paisley say “we agreed with Sinn Fein”. Perhaps someone could enlighten me though; Ian was in a weak bargaining position going in and needed Gerry to agree to an extension, Gerry agreed. But Gerry must have squeezed a few more concessions such as a date for devolution of Justice powers and/or DUP dropping opposition to Irish Language Act.
    I can’t see Sinn Fein letting the DUP off the hook at no cost, DUP must have paid something for Sinn Fein co-operation. Help anyone?

  • BonarLaw

    USA

    I think our time-limited PM was the one in the weak barganing position. Tony would have agreed to any deadline extension as long as the deal, to quote John Reid, happened on his watch.

    BTW does anyone still think there really was a Plan “B”?

  • observer

    Maybe the last 30 odd years of mayhem and strife could have been avoided had this come about circa 1973 and the Sunningdale Agreement. –

    what a load of shit, the catholics involved in the brutal murder of men and women here werent going to be appeased by sunningdale. they wanted brits out, even if it meant murdering every one of them to achieve this

  • confused

    What did you think of the quality of statement /speeches?
    Paisley was Churchillian whilst Adams sounded like a grovelling amateur.

  • Gréagóir O’ Frainclín

    Observer, How do you know?

  • Gréagóir O’ Frainclín

    Confused, Why do you say Adams was like a grovelling amateur? You did’nt understand the gaelic he spoke?
    At Adams age, Paisley was bellowing at, and belittling the Irish Nationalist community of NI, not offering to make a settlement.

  • thanks marty
    Billy I do believe Paisley is sincere, but yes I expect a few idiots, be they dissidents or securocrats to try some kind of wrecking devices, however I think both the DUP and SF will jointly declare “the event”, if there is one as “enemies of the peace process”.
    Mandelson nearly brought it down a few weeks ago remember
    Loose lip, sink ship.

  • Lumpenprole

    Paisley’s speech was profund and very enlightened. I didn’t detect at all that the DUP was unhappy – quite the contrary.

  • Fintan, Portlaoise

    Sure it had to happen sooner or later. Paisley knows the game is up, there will be no going back to the “good old days” of the B-specials, “our” RUC, gerrymandering, jobs for Catholics only on a first-in, first-out basis, and all of the other things that gave Northern Ireland a raison d’être. It’s a pity he didn’t see the light a long time ago, but I suppose it’s better late than never. It can’t be too long before he meets his maker (an event that I doubt either of them will find enjoyable), so he has a last chance to go down in history as someone who did some good before he shuffled off this mortal coil. I think it was Machiavelli who said that recognition of realities is the beginning of all wisdom. If this really is the dawning of wisdom in Bob Jones University’s most famous alumnus, let us all rejoice in it. Halleluja!

  • Gréagóir O’ Frainclín

    For all the preaching, posturing and bible bashing he’ll more than likely find there isn’t a maker nor will he be aware of it.

  • Northern Bank robbery, McCartney murder, dissident Republicans, new revelations about certain senior Republicans being spooks.
    Take your pick !!

    are old files being dusted off at Holywood?

    Black op?

    Or, is this the real deal and power sharing will become a reality May 8th, I hope so.

  • Nickyg

    The content of both speeches was a tad strange for observers of Irish politics.

    To see Paisley there, talking of agreeing with Sinn Fein, and some of the constructs in his speech, coupled -in particular- with Adams’ reference to Gods help clearly indicates that both have effectively jumped in at the deep end and formulated this day with massive nods to each others needs. Unbelievable.

    As an aside, Paisley and Adams clearly are speaking words which they need to continually refer to on thier pages. Paisley, in particular, bellowed forth in a similar fashion to the stereotypical Reverend from the Simpsons.. all over pronounciations and stange pauses!

    Adams, clearly bears a lot of weight, and looked that way delivering his speech. The hand of history and all that.

    Though the recognition will probably not be forthcoming anytime soon, surely there is no other conclusion to arrive at other than that Adams is probably the greatest active politician on this Island, and has probably suprceded even Hume. He has driven this thing from it’s inception and will, in all likelihood, be there at the end game.

  • USA

    Confused,
    They were just speaches with different presentation styles. Nothing in it really, to say Adams sounded like a grovelling amateur merely reflects your political bias rather than anything significant.

  • “…Adams is probably the greatest active politician on this Island, and has probably suprceded even Hume. He has driven this thing from it’s inception and will, in all likelihood, be there at the end game. ”

    Gerry & Ian for the Nobel Peace Prize in a couple of years (assuming that devolution works for that period) ? or would it go to Bertie and Tony (possibly easier for the other two to swallow)?

  • Observer

    The DUP will share-power despite what SF have accused them off in years gone by and they will make any government work.

    The DUP have been seen to be incontrol of the process by doing what they did.

    This is something they aimed to change from the leadership offered by the UUP.

    They have done what people mandated them to do.

    However having said that; I, and many right thinking people feel most uncomfortable at seeing McGuinness as my Deputy Prime Minister.

    I have no doubt though many DUP people, including Paisley feel the same way. But this was a inevitable conclusion.

    One question though: Are the DUP now considering Sinn Fein democrats?

  • circles

    Observer – that bridge of yours not gonna collapse soon?
    “However having said that; I, and many right thinking people feel most uncomfortable at seeing McGuinness as my Deputy Prime Minister.”

    Which means that all those who don’t are wrong thinking?

    One question though, can nationalists now consider unionists to be democrats?

  • Harris

    Observer

    “The DUP have been seen to be incontrol of the process by doing what they did.”

    Well, that was the whole purpose, was it not? The DUP needed to be perceived as being in control, as far as their constituency is concerned. The important word being “perceived.”

    “This is something they aimed to change from the leadership offered by the UUP.”

    So you think the DUP was more willing to enter into a powersahring arrangement than the UUP were, or is it that the DUP had no real choice?

    “They have done what people mandated them to do.”

    Partly so, but more importantly, what the two goverments and Sinn Fein wanted them to do.

    “However having said that; I, and many right thinking people feel most uncomfortable at seeing McGuinness as my Deputy Prime Minister.”

    Must be gnawing at ya, huh! Get over it!

    “I have no doubt though many DUP people, including Paisley feel the same way. But this was a inevitable conclusion.”

    Same for them (see above).

    “One question though: Are the DUP now considering Sinn Fein democrats?”

    Sinn Fein are democrats, as the DUP are, by the mere fact of being mandated through the democratic process. Yes?

  • GavBelfast

    I suppose, if this lasts, and the Justice / Policing portfolios are devolved then the now bit-part players (UUP, SDLP and even Alliance if it can be manufactured) will conveniently be needed again.

  • Whynot

    Who Won?

    What about the Punters who bet on an Assembly being up by 26th? Do they win or lose?

  • acatag

    observer. So hows it feel ? One more step and it will phoning Dublin for your tax rebate. What an absolutely f—— great day.

  • Observer

    Cause a stir did I…?

    Circles (Posted by circles on Mar 26, 2007 @ 06:16 PM):

    Observer – that bridge of yours not gonna collapse soon?

    That’s up to the shinners.

    “However having said that; I, and many right thinking people feel most uncomfortable at seeing McGuinness as my Deputy Prime Minister.”

    Which means that all those who don’t are wrong thinking?

    Not necessarily. But I know many that are feeling that way, and many of those people aren’t DUP supporters. It’s not a matter of choice unfortunately. Thanks to the Government and the UUP. But lets look to the future… I look forward to the day where we can see this reversed and see workable Government put in place.

    One question though, can nationalists now consider unionists to be democrats?

    I think Unionists can be considered democrats. They haven’t bombed and murdered for thirty-odd years and done their best to fracture the state structures. Ironic though… the structures have stayed intact. Had nationalists accepted the structure laid down in 1920 under the Government of Ireland Act we wouldn’t be in this situation. Nationalists excluded themselves. Nationalists thought by pulling down Stormont that they could remove this part of Britain from the Kingdom.

    Its pleasing to see Sinn Fein accept the structures they opposed in 1972

    Harris (Posted by Harris on Mar 26, 2007 @ 06:27 PM):

    Observer

    “The DUP have been seen to be incontrol of the process by doing what they did.”

    Well, that was the whole purpose, was it not? The DUP needed to be perceived as being in control, as far as their constituency is concerned. The important word being “perceived.”

    I think you’ll find that that was the case. Five years ago Trimble would have caved in and accepted surrender at Hain’s beck and call.

    The DUP to their credit held on to defend the Unionist position. It has been years since I have seen this done on behalf of the Ulster people.

    Wheres the all-Ireland agenda Sinn Fein was calling for? – Theres your verdict of success!

    The DUP made the Government realise that theres two types of people living this province. The majority being Unionist and the largest party the Democratic Unionist Party.

    “This is something they aimed to change from the leadership offered by the UUP.”

    So you think the DUP was more willing to enter into a powersahring arrangement than the UUP were, or is it that the DUP had no real choice?

    The UUP were the desparate ones! And the people who brought us to this unfortunate position.

    See how desparate the UUP are when the refuse to go into opposition.

    Plus the people had spoken my friend, the DUP were mandated to get devolution restored in the right circumstances. After all it was and always has been about ‘Getting it right’ 😉

    “They have done what people mandated them to do.”

    Partly so, but more importantly, what the two goverments and Sinn Fein wanted them to do.

    Sinn Fein wanted the ‘all-Ireland’ institutions run from tomorrow.

    “However having said that; I, and many right thinking people feel most uncomfortable at seeing McGuinness as my Deputy Prime Minister.”

    Must be gnawing at ya, huh! Get over it!

    Well, it is when theres a man representing Northern Ireland – a place that he tried to blow-up for thirty-years.

    …he obviously succeeded, mind you, didn’t he? Thats why he is going to be Deputy FM of Northern Ireland.

    “I have no doubt though many DUP people, including Paisley feel the same way. But this was a inevitable conclusion.”

    Same for them (see above).

    “One question though: Are the DUP now considering Sinn Fein democrats?”

    Sinn Fein are democrats, as the DUP are, by the mere fact of being mandated through the democratic process. Yes?

    People are not considered democrats soley on being ‘elected’. It is based on their commitment to law and order and acceptance of the law-of-the-land. McGuinness and Co. are nearly there… thanks to the DUP and Paisley… hopefully they’ll meet the mark in a few weeks.

    Their condemation of the brutal attack on the Cllr in Tyrone is a start.

    I for one certainly look forward to a properous Northern Ireland and a change in the mind-set of the Nationalist people. They are very much part of this Kingdom as I. They have just spent they last 80 years disputing it.

  • Observer

    observer. So hows it feel ? One more step and it will phoning Dublin for your tax rebate. What an absolutely f—— great day.

    Posted by acatag on Mar 26, 2007 @ 09:12 PM

    Don’t think so m8!

    Think the number to London is still working!

    I’m sure you know that.

  • acatag

    why m8

  • Pablo

    Observer,

    Seriously fella, loosen your sphincter. To sit in front of your PC night after night spewing out nothing but negative vitriol will give you a bad case of IB Syndrome.

    Try to get out and meet some people, maybe take up a hobby or something.

  • acatag

    Pablo. Leave Observer alone. He shows us the reality of unionist “thinking”. Reasoned debate one minute, kick the pope the next. You have to laugh though.

  • acatag

    Whats IB Syndrome?

  • GavBelfast

    Someone’s not happy (it seems) – Jim Allister has called a press conference tomorrow afternoon to outline his positon on the deal (BBC source).

  • Pablo

    Whats IB Syndrome?

    Posted by acatag on Mar 26, 2007 @ 11:57 PM

    Irritable Bowel!

  • Ian

    “What about the Punters who bet on an Assembly being up by 26th? Do they win or lose?”

    I was the first to predict the restoration date would be the 8th of May, which I suggested two weeks ago:

    http://sluggerotoole.com/index.php/weblog/comments/poll-back-to-work-on-the-26th/

    (See comments 15 and 19.)

  • SuperSoupy

    Signs are positive when the DUP sceptic in chief only releases his single transferable anti-EU rant after today’s developments:

    http://www.jimallister.org/default.asp?blogID=607

    If Paisley has shut him up, he must have bagged every sceptic of note.

    How was it so easy to silence them?

  • darth rumsfeld

    you speak too soon soupy- watch this space…..

  • Moderater

    why m8

    Posted by acatag on Mar 26, 2007 @ 11:23 PM
    Observer,

    Seriously fella, loosen your sphincter. To sit in front of your PC night after night spewing out nothing but negative vitriol will give you a bad case of IB Syndrome.

    Try to get out and meet some people, maybe take up a hobby or something.

    Posted by Pablo on Mar 26, 2007 @ 11:39 PM
    Pablo. Leave Observer alone. He shows us the reality of unionist “thinking”. Reasoned debate one minute, kick the pope the next. You have to laugh though.

    Posted by acatag on Mar 26, 2007 @ 11:56 PM

    A CASE OF MAN, NOT BALL?