Football round-up

Northern Ireland win 4-1 with another Healy hat-trick. Scotland continue their fine form with a 2-1 win over Georgia. Republic of Ireland fans get some joy with a 1-0 victory over Wales. England fail to perform (again) with a 0-0 draw against Israel.

  • Henry94

    It remains a mystery why Healy is not in the Premiership.

    Well done to the three I’s

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Healy does produce the goods. Seems a real nice guy as well as opposed to tossers like Rooney et al.

  • SuperSoupy

    Good results all round.

    and to complete the sporting roundup Munster staged a wonderful comeback to dash Ulster’s Magners League hopes.

  • John East Belfast

    Great to see maximum points for the Irish teams and Scotland too.
    Disaponiting for England

    Although it is a bit of a dilemma for me favouring ROI over Wales as I always consciously choose the UK Home Countries over anyone else.
    Must have been the bad taste left in my mouth by the Welsh fans when NI met them Home and Away in the World Cup qualifiers.
    I suppose a NI – ROI encounter would reverse that though !

  • The England team should be made to feel as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit for this performance.

    Over-rated, over-paid, and under-educated, lottery winning louts the lot of them.

  • GavBelfast

    “It remains a mystery why Healy is not in the Premiership.”

    And to probably thousnads like us, Henry.

    But probably not as much a mystery as for the frustrated Leeds fans who look at how he is transformed when he swaps the White Rose for the Celtic Cross on his chest.

  • SuperSoupy

    Pat,

    Agree. I don’t often watch the north play but Healy certainly delivers the goods when I’ve seen them and with his finishing I’m surprised he doesn’t play at a higher level. Also agree he comes across as an articulate and affable young man.

  • confused

    Do these results still keep NI ahead of ROI in World rankings?
    Well done Northern Ireland —–a great win.

  • SuperSoupy

    confused,

    What an utterly irrelevant question. The teams are competing against others for qualification not against each other.

  • k

    Healy isn’t playing in the premiership because he isn’t even good enough for the team bottom of the championship.
    Yet somehow when playing for NI, he looks like Denis Law! This is the exact opposite of most players who look good in the premiership but can’t cut it at international level (Lampard, Gerrard etc). Weird….

  • slug

    Well done to both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, but of course to be fair Lichstenstein are a tiny country while Wales was tougher opposition.

    As for the wonderful Healy. Maybe he really cares about his international team but is more indifferent about his club? Or maybe he just doesn’t fit well with the other players.

  • confused

    To SS
    It is a very relevant question, as all results are put into the mix to determine the pecking order of World football.

  • IJP

    Healy does seem a bright guy. Unlike Mark Sidebottom, he even knew which country they were playing! (Note to BBC: employ people who know what’s going on.)

    Another poor effort from England. And I’m not one to blame managers, but what was Steve McLaren doing? Taking Lennon off was just mystery stuff.

  • SuperSoupy

    On another point I hope that SF will make a priority in future negotiations with the Irish government of addressing the fact fans in the south could video stream the match live from the RTE website while nordies could only access the audio stream.

    For future matches does anyone know how to spoof a southern IP address? I tried using an anonymous proxy site but had no joy.

    (and don’t tell me to get a better aerial or go to the pub, I’m broke)

  • Soupy – Sky have the rights to the RoI matches in the UK. Luckily they haven’t picked up on the fact that it’s the other Irish side who are worth following in these qualifiers.

  • john

    Beano

    A large proportion of supporters in the North are quite happy to follow Ireland on Sky tv or RTE.

    Ireland have a huge following in Britain so its not surprising that Sky see the potential.

    The North followed by.. very few.. unless you sing unionist tunes & fly unionist flags

    Ireland are back in the frame and with over seventy thousand supporters from Belfast,Derry, Dublin & Kerry all cheering on Ireland in today’s first game at Croker, its great to see an island nation come together for such a historic occasion.

    Great occasion & bring the Slovak’s on Wednesday.

  • John Lowe

    There was an interesting observation in the Herald about the match at Croke Park with a protester outside wielding a placard reading: “No To Foreign Games”. This was undermined by the fact that the individual was wearing a Celtic top and tracksuit!

  • SuperSoupy

    Beano,

    I’ve enjoyed the performances of both teams so far. I hope the team I support qualifies. I hope the team of my neighbours and friends does too. (that’s your team)

    The north and the Republic won’t be competing in this competition until we both hopefully qualify, so why do so many people treat the others’ team as their biggest problem?

    You need to beat Sweden twice.

    We face even tougher tests.

    I hope you make it through and if we meet in the competion proper I hope we kick your asses.

    But why the competition when we aren’t even playing each other?

  • GavBelfast

    SuperSoupy,

    It’s like asking a Liverpool supporter would they like to see Man Utd do well in Europe.

    It’s been done to death on here and also only encourages trolls, like John above.

    The Northern Ireland football team now seems to piss-off Uber-Prods and begrudging Plastics in fairly equal measure. Good.

    I appreciate that there may be exceptions, and obviously people are free to follow the team they feel their heart’s with.

    Onwards and upwards, as Mr Sanchez might say.

  • jim

    john

    there are lots of all Ireland sports. GAA and Rugby to name only a few. football isnt one of them.

    it was once, until some people didn’t want to play with the prods and set up their own one for their “own” lot.

    sad.

  • George

    GavBelfast,
    There is no comparison between the Liverpool and ManU and ROI v NI.

    Like most football fans from the Republic Northern Ireland was my second international team until that infamous night in November.

    But even that wouldn’t put them in the ManU v. Liverpool category. Today they are like Wales without Giggs and with Hartson. I couldn’t care less what happens to them. Remember most ROI football fans are from south of the border.

    My only hope is that the World Cup and Euro Gods are kind and we never have to play them again so as I don’t have to endure all that shite again.

    On a footballing note, ROI and Wales are totally crap, two of the worst teams in Europe. I thought Stan’s men were in a league of their own but I was mistaken.

    NI at least seem to be playing with spirit and to a plan (take note Stan) but don’t have a big enough squad and will fail to qualify like the other two. A couple of injuries and Sanchez moving on and the feelgood factor will be gone and they will be back in the mire with the other two.

    But at least I’m not an English fan. The biggest underachievers of the lot.

  • Soupy you say that I’m treating the Rep. as my “biggest problem” and seem to imply that I was hostile to them.

    I merely pointed out that Sky hold the rights to show their matches in the UK (hence why RTE can’t show the matches on the web to NI folk) and that given the relative performances at the moment that may prove to be a mistake on Sky’s part, since NI have an extremely remote chance of qualifying, whereas the RoI have none. 😉

    Frankly Sweden and Denmark are of much more concern to me than “our Southern friends”.

  • kensei

    “But probably not as much a mystery as for the frustrated Leeds fans who look at how he is transformed when he swaps the White Rose for the Celtic Cross on his chest.”

    Correct. Healy can just fuck off. While we have a shitload of problems in defense, if he played a third as well for us as he does for NI, then we wouldn’t be heading down again. It would lift the whole team to.

    Anyone ANY explanation for this? It’s not like he is surrounded by world beaters in NI.

  • SuperSoupy

    I hope you qualify. I’ve enjoyed the few of your matches I’ve seen and genuinely like your star player.

    You are playing my favourite kind of Irish football – ballsy.

  • SuperSoupy

    Above was for Beano not Kensei

  • páid

    FD blogs NI, Scotland, ROI in that order.

    At the Cusack / Hill border was to be heard from the men of Harlech

    deh deh deh dedede……..

    “Where’s your caravan, where’s your caravan?”

    Better than “You’re just a small part of Ireland”

    ?

  • Diluted Orange

    David Healy does it again! I’m booking my tickets for Austria and Switzerland.

  • darth rumsfeld

    er, well kensei for a start we have a decent manager, not a malignant muppet in charge.

    And I feel your pain as a Leeds supporter (snigger) but when you have been quick to criticise the NI support you must concede that some of the nastiest supporters in England call Elland Road their home ground.

    Leeds is a team with ideas above its status. NI is a small country with an underdog’s mentality.

  • Joe

    It not only the fact that Healy does not play in the premiership but he can’t get into the Leeds first team and they are rooted to the bottom of the Championship.

    Its also disappointing that Davis, Hughes and Taylor are also only substitutes this could work against NI in future matches.

  • kensei

    ” And I feel your pain as a Leeds supporter (snigger) but when you have been quick to criticise the NI support you must concede that some of the nastiest supporters in England call Elland Road their home ground.”

    They did a lot of good work through the 90’s to eradicate that, but in the 80’s yeah. I’m not sure if our drop in status has allowed unwelcome elements back in.

    “Leeds is a team with ideas above its status. NI is a small country with an underdog’s mentality.”

    Er, no. Leeds is a team that is massively underperforming their status. When they go down this season, it will the first time they have been in the third tier of English football.

  • darth rumsfeld

    er No, kensei, Leeds was a typical declining northern team like Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday, Burnley and Blackburn Rovers until Don revie came along. In recent times it has simply reverted to its natural level- though admittedly Division 3 is a new low.

  • George

    Darth,
    “Leeds was a typical declining northern team like Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday, Burnley and Blackburn Rovers until Don revie came along.”

    you know absolutely nothing about the history of football in the north of England if you think Leeds was declining until Revie came along.
    Declining from what?

    Sunderland pre Revie
    – League champions 6 times
    – 1 FA Cup

    Blackburn
    – FA Cup winners 6 times

    Burnley
    – League champions 2 times
    – FA Cup winners once

    Sheffield Wednesday
    – League champions 4 times
    – FA Cup Winners 3 times

    Leeds
    – Zero league titles
    – Zero FA Cups

    Leeds weren’t declining as they were already at the bottom.

  • George

    I forgot to point out that I say this as someone who has a particular grudge against Leeds.

  • kensei

    “er No, kensei, Leeds was a typical declining northern team like Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday, Burnley and Blackburn Rovers until Don revie came along. In recent times it has simply reverted to its natural level- though admittedly Division 3 is a new low.”

    Leeds, as has been pointed out already, were squat until Revie. But seeing as Revie took charge in 1961, talk of “natural level” based on that is complete and utter bollocks.

    In recent history, Leeds natural (median) position of the majority 90’s was about 5th in the Premier League until the management bet the club. Up for a while, then complete and utter fuck up. The finances have created a vicious cycle that could destroy the club if (when) we go down again.

    None of this relates to why Healy scores hat trick’s for fun for NI and but is painfully average for us though.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    AWAY IN A MANGER, NO CRIB FOR A BED.
    THE LITTLE LORD JESUS LAY DOWN HIS SWEET HEAD.
    THE STARS IN THE BRIGHT SKY, LOOKED DOWN WHERE
    HEA-LY HEA-LY HEA-LY HEA-LY HEA-LY…….

  • Ziznivy

    Great trip. Nice to meet Realist as well. The result was the cherry on the cake. Healy is poor for Leeds because his manager is a root and he is played out of position.

  • Marosa

    Both NI and ROI are doing better than England are at the moment! At this rate the Scots have more chance of qualifying than we do!!

    I have never understood though, why you guys don’t just have an all-Ireland football team, like you do in rugby and cricket. The best players from both sides.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    I have never understood though, why you guys don’t just have an all-Ireland football team, like you do in rugby and cricket. The best players from both sides.

    Posted by Marosa on Mar 27, 2007 @ 03:57 PM

    You obviously haven’t been on Slugger long mate. My community are fundamentally opposed to it, as are a large proportion of the nationalist/republican community I should point out…

  • Realist

    “Nice to meet Realist as well”

    And great to meet your goodself too Ziznivy.

    Mission accomplished in Vaduz – it’s “game on” in this group.

    Onwards and upwards.

  • “My community are fundamentally opposed to it, as are a large proportion of the nationalist/republican community I should point out…
    Posted by Concerned Loyalist on Mar 27, 2007 @ 04:18 PM”

    I’m sure you’re right about the loyalist-unionist community.

    Could you provide any evidence that a large proportion of the nationalist community are “fundamentally opposed” to a united Irish football team?

  • WindsorRocker

    kensei,

    playing him regularly and in position might help.

  • Marosa

    Concerned Loyalist – you’re right that I haven’t been on slugger long.

    I’ve just always wondered how there were separate football teams but an all island rugby team. But then we in England I guess would not support an all British football team either. Not that many England players would get into one on current form!

  • longshotkickdabucket

    ‘My community are fundamentally opposed to it, as are a large proportion of the nationalist/republican community I should point out’

    Still waiting on your evidence to back-up your sweeping assertion, CL
    Wishful thinking on your part, methinks.

    Certainly the photo of Boycie (not that one) in Leichtenstein posing with fans with red, white and blue scarves and a Lambeg Drum won’t help matters………DOH!!!!!!!!

  • Fact Checker

    “Certainly the photo of Boycie (not that one) in Leichtenstein posing with fans with red, white and blue scarves and a Lambeg Drum won’t help matters………DOH!!!!!!!!”

    LSKDB
    A little lesson re team colours required here I think.

    Do you not know which colours Liechtenstein play in?

    Joint scarves green and white (N.Ireland play in those colours) and red,white and blue(Liechtenstein play in those colours) were sold before the game. I presume unless you can show a photo to the contrary, these are what you saw.

    And somebody paid the excess baggage charge to bring a lambeg drum to the game? Daft, but unless a musical instrument is used to pay sectarain tunes then the musical instrument in itself isnt sectarian-were you at the game by any chance to confirm tunes played by this drum?

    No idea whether nationalists would want a truly (including us) United Ireland team. seeing the bile and hatred spewed out here and on the main GAA site by our detractors I’d guess a fair amount wouldn’t want anything to do with us.

  • longshotkickdabucket

    Fact-Checker?, my arse.

    Scarves in question were the ‘classic’ blue with red and white bars, much beloved of Glasgow Rangers’ fans.

    No joint NI and Leichtenstein scarves in evidence in the photo, funnily enough.Just Boycie banging a Lambeg Drum in a typically touching and subtle gesture designed to reach out to nationalist kids.

    F.C, That’ s the best spin since Rangers Fans denied giving Nazi salutes, stating that these were actually ‘Red-Hand’ salutes. (Eh?)

    Oh and that was the best spin since the claim that the KAI references didn’t allude to their ‘Kill All Irish’ slogan but to a journeyman Danish clogger from the 1960’s.

  • Realist

    longshotkickdabucket,

    “Scarves in question were the ‘classic’ blue with red and white bars, much beloved of Glasgow Rangers’ fans”

    Linfield scarves perhaps?

    No problems with that – they’re an Irish League club.

    “Just Boycie banging a Lambeg Drum in a typically touching and subtle gesture designed to reach out to nationalist kids”

    Can you provide the picture of Boyce playing this alleged “lambeg drum”?

    What’s the problem with a lambeg drum?

    Anyway, perhaps the issue is more about nationalists trying to reach out and embrace the Irish culture from which the lambeg drum hails, and of which many Irish people are proud?

    Are you basically telling us that unionists should be deeply offended by the use of Glasgow Celtic regalia and bodrhans at ROI matches -both of which are plentiful?

  • Fact Checker

    Really?
    I was there and think you’re wrong, but dont let that stop you, I think you should write a strongly-worded letter to the Bele Tele/Irish News/The Beano, I’m sure the editors and wider NI public are dying to hear all about your latest theory.

    (Bad day for you today was it, big lad?!!;)

  • IJP

    I actually think the fact NI isn’t littered with first-teamers works in its favour.

    As a result, you have hungry but fit players with a point to prove.

    Not unlike Greece in 2004 – Charisteas wasn’t getting a game for Bremen and yet scored the winner against the holders and then against the hosts!

    Although I should clarify that NI will not win Euro 2008!

  • Fact Checker

    My last post was for the doughnut who made comment 20.

    I Believe.
    N.Ireland Top of the league

  • longshotkickdabucket

    Bad day for you today was it, big lad?

    Err no actually, I was at Croker last night along with 71,000 others watching our victory.-the biggest crowd at any of last night’s qualifiers by a country mile.

  • longshotkickdabucket

    Still checking that fact, fact-checker?

    Get a life, you sad anorak.

  • D Mc Swinton

    You are the king longshotkickdabucket, the prods sure dont like facts do they.

  • longshotkickdabucket

    Alas for you, there’s no sectarianism on my part as evidenced by my posts. D Mc.

    I’ll leave that to others on this thread.

  • D Mc Swinton

    I wasnt sectarian.

  • Lafcadio

    I work with a guy who’s a leeds fan, and he’s tearing his remaining strands of hair out about healy.. he was played on the right wing under blackwell, but when he plays now, he plays up front – i was asking him this evening, why the hell isn’t he scoring about 30 goals a season for leeds in the championship, and he had no clue – but he did say that leeds have form at this – he named a stack of players they’ve had in the last couple of years who did nothing at leeds, then went elsewhere and scored hatfuls (marlon king and matthew spring, and jerome someone or other who’s on loan at the minute) so i don’t think the problem’s all healy’s.

    he’ll not be there next season, he’s too good, and he will score for his next decent team..

  • Fact Checker

    “Still checking that fact, fact-checker?

    Get a life, you sad anorak”

    Why the insult and aggressive email address in your comment above?

    You were right, I checked my facts, top crowd, well done.

    Mr McSwinton

    Those are 2 strange comments, what’s your point exactly?

  • Realist

    “I was at Croker last night along with 71,000 others watching our victory.-the biggest crowd at any of last night’s qualifiers by a country mile”

    longshotkickdabucket,

    Good for you – I hope you enjoyed it!

    Was there anybody there in Glasgow Celtic gear and/or with bodrhan drums?

    Did you tell them off?

  • longshotkickdabucket

    Yep Realist in your world, Bohdrans have exactly the same sectarian connotations as Lambeg Drums which have been so synonomous with anti-catholic orange marches.

    Of course you’re right-I well remember the Chieftains leading a parade of bodhran-wielding folk singers down the Shankill Road whilst the Garda beat the local natives off the road.

    The Ireland games at Croker saw no sectarian chanting or symbols on display. No doubt there’ll soon be smoke flying out of your keyboard as you desperately trawl YouTube trying to find 10 drunken blokes singing a dodgy republican song.
    As long as it puts your night in , that’s the main thing.

    Now could we have your own inimitable take on the ‘No Surrender’ chant during GTSH.-Perhaps its a heartfelt plea from some of the bankers on the Kop not to cash in our endowment policies too soon?

  • Anonymous

    longshutkickdabucket
    Some good points there.
    Good to hear there is no sectarian singing at Ireland matches.
    Can you point me in the direction of the Boyce/lambeg drum photo?

  • Dear oh dear. ‘Lambeg’ drums at NI games.

    Think you will find it was a bass or more commonly called a ‘big’ drum, used by football fans all over the world to get the chants going.

    Maybe you could give us a list of music insturments we may bring to away games and which wouldn’t cause you offence?

    In fact don’t bother, you are the type who finds Northern Ireland an offence so therefore not worth wasting breath on. All this media coverage must hurt so so much eh?

    For everybody else, on the drum is written:

    ‘Lambeg Loyal NISC’ and along the bottom ‘GAWA on Tour’. Most of that is clear in the photo. But why let the facts get in the way of an agenda.

    Lambeg being a small village near Lisburn.