Unwanted post

Two election candidates, Davy Hyland and Billy Leonard, have recieved bullets in the post.

  • Rubicon

    Were the envelopes marked “return to sender”?

  • Did Davy Hyland go to the police about it?

  • Yokel

    Ah well, I see this election is as normal as ever..the old threats business.

    There was me thinking that something was missing this time round and there it is.

  • shameless of newry

    diluted orange,

    why would davy hyland, a staunch irish republican campaigning on an anti-policing ticket, seek the help of a discredited police force who are up to their eye balls in collusion with loyalist paramilitarists?????

    Born again Billy instinctively returned to his roots in the RUC

  • Rubicon

    Shameless – the 2 candidates get top billing on the evening news the day before polling. Very unfortunate timing for them I’m sure.

    Shameless indeed!

  • Proud people

    what was really shameless tonight (apart from the bullets-its hardly a desirable thing to receive threats in the posts) was the removal of every single Davy Hyland poster in the City of Newry by the Sinn Fein postering team based in Patrick Street.

    Have they lost the run of themselves (like their leader on Spotlight tonight) when many in Newry saw them so blatantly doing so???

    The people of this proud city will give their verdict come election day

  • Interested

    Proud People
    “The people of this proud city will give their verdict come election day”

    Good to see you’re so proud of the fact that City status was conferred upon Newry by HM Queen Elizabeth.

  • Rory

    Bullets in the post? Is this a tentative beginning to UVF decommissioning?

  • Crataegus

    Yet another sign that SF supporters have no sense of proportion. It is this sort of attitude and removing posters (as claimed by Proud People) that is limiting their support and losing support.

    There is absolutely no reason for anyone to vote for SF. If you agree with their policies you may as well vote SDLP for that is where most of them originated and if you want an all Ireland Party with an ethical standing why not the Greens? Let’s face it they are more likely to be in the next government in the South than SF is.

    SF are a bit like New Labour, low on principles and interested in personal power, but to what end?

  • darth rumsfeld

    will Mitchell McLaughlin not call on postal workers to refuse to deliver these bullets ?

  • “return to sender”? by Rubicon

    Did Davy Hyland go to the police about it? by Diluted Orange

    “…the 2 candidates get top …” by Rubicon

    will Mitchell McLaughlin not call on postal workers to refuse to deliver these bullets ? by darth rumsfeld

    humourous and flippant remarks about what seems to be death threats against public figures… oh well, we can see where society is going when some make fun out of this.

    And I thought that some of you were the ‘decent people voters’ and the ones who speak about law and order issues. I guess you’ve shown yourselves to be a touch one sided on these points.

    Rubicon, please elaborate on you posting about the two candidates getting top billing… are you implying that public reps receiving death threats shouldn’t be on the news …or something more sinister..??

    Or could we be so lucky that you are pointing out the stupidity of those posting the bullets. That their actions results in frequently threatened politicos being ho-hum about the delivery but at the same time get free media exposure?

  • sean

    I think you are missing the point anonymous…

    Given his past, Davy Hyland is a man who few would be suprised to learn he himself has may have sent bullets to people via the post. he is a man without integrity. Surely this is a cheap political stunt. If it is true, it does show that there really is no honour amongst thieves and the treasonous dirty Irish (as opposed to the decent Irish)

  • very interesting Sean…

    but I’m afraid I don’t see how I missed the point. I’m pointing out the lack of condemnation by the slugger posters to a threat and in fact their mocking of the posted bullets. I remember that these posters frequently post about ‘law and order issues’ on this site and yet let these threats to the politicos and therefore the democratic system, slide. So I think you are missing my point… altho I’m all ears for you to expand on your analysis.

    You, on the other hand, seem to have posted an ‘ad hominum’ assult on Hyland and indeed a racist remark about Irish people. I’ll wait for the Slug Admin to decide on that one.

    Please let us know your explaination of “..thieves and the treasonous dirty Irish (as opposed to the decent Irish)” I’m not sure if I can distinguish. Let me know your means of differentiating, what you base this on and how many, do you think, hold similar opinion as yours?

  • WAT?????

    ‘Davy Hyland is a man who few would be suprised to learn he himself has may have sent bullets to people via the post. ‘

    have you collabarative evidence to support such strong allegations???
    i think not? such accusations, if made publicly, could well be the foundations for a legal challenge

    he is a man without integrity????

    hence toppin the poll in three council elections, being elected to stormont and engaging in ministerial positions!!!clearly u r a shinner who feels threatens by a person who cares to stick by their political convictions, imagine!!!!!

  • Rubicon

    Anonymous – How did the press learn about this ‘unwelcome’ post? Dose making a press statement about it make the threat any less?

    We all have to use judgement. You may choose to believe every politico’s press release. Others are more sceptical – particularly when self-serving timing and context is involved.

    Both individuals have in the past supported the action they now complain of – and supported far worse. This doesn’t make it right – but I didn’t hear them trying to square that circle. Did you?

  • sean

    Anonymous – “humourous and flippant remarks about what seems to be death threats against public figures… oh well, we can see where society is going when some make fun out of this.”

    I am suggesting that it is wrong to view some remarks in this way. Though they may well be “flippant”, I think they are born out of a frustration at being misrepresented.

    Anonymous –“You, on the other hand, seem to have posted an ‘ad hominum’ assult on Hyland and indeed a racist remark about Irish people. I’ll wait for the Slug Admin to decide on that one.”

    Agreed. As has been said on another post about Gerry Adams, Hyland has put himself forward as a public representative. In doing this he is saying to the voter, “Look at me. Judge me. Vote for me if I represent your views.” My dislike of Hyland IS personal but for these reasons I feel the ad hominum rule does not apply here. How can it when, as a public, political figure, he is inviting people to challenge him, his past and his views?

    Just on a point of clarity… Nowhere did I say that Hyland HAD sent such things in the post. I merely suggested that few WOULD BE surprised if they WERE TO learn that he had done so. I know Davy. I know his family; I know his past and I know what he was accused of. In short, I think I know where he is coming from.

    Anonymous – “Please let us know your explaination of “..thieves and the treasonous dirty Irish (as opposed to the decent Irish)” I’m not sure if I can distinguish. Let me know your means of differentiating, what you base this on and how many, do you think, hold similar opinion as yours?”

    My view of the “Dirty Irish” can be found in those who live in the lower moral echelons of Irish society. Those people who clearly define themselves first and foremost as “Irish” AND in doing so are happy to justify the abduction, torture and murder of their fellow countrymen. In my mind this is simple treason. It is not just a crime but is specifically a crime against the people and the country. I don’t accept the pathetic argument that says “The Brits were just as bad if not worse. There was a war on. Bad things happen in war. People get killed in war. Shit happens.”

    This is no way suggests that this is typical of all “Irish”; quite the opposite in fact. I firmly believe that a majority and honourable section of Irish society supports the right to life of an individual and for that individual to live and vote as he chooses in a free democratic society; free from threats and intimidation. If that makes me an idealist then so be it. I fully accept that there was much wrong in our society during the last thirty or forty years or so, however the Provos of the 70s, 80s and 90s were not the men (and women) of 1916. Back then (1916) I believe there was no alternative. In the 70s, 80s and 90s there was an alternative to the killings, knee-capping and abductions. The Provos were not mandated to do this from the people; in fact the pople were telling them to stop and stand down. Self-termed “Irish Republicans” who take it on themselves to decide who lives and who dies are the Dirt Irish. To help you distinguish, “Decent Irish Republicans” would not support the murder of innocent, fellow coutrymen and denyt them and their families a Chritisn burial. It’s not difficult as the two views of Irish Republicanism are very far apart.

  • circles

    sean – “the Provos of the 70s, 80s and 90s were not the men (and women) of 1916. Back then (1916) I believe there was no alternative”
    Its funny that beacuse back in 1916 a lot of people would have said “The men and women of 1916 were not those of 1798”
    Its all a question of perspective – killing and violence can loose its horror from the safe perspective of the history book, but don’t kid yourself into thinking the establishment of the 26 county state was a noble and clean affair. Back then Irishmen and women were at each others throats.
    I totally agree with the sentiments you express in your post, but maybe you should put your high horse in the stable for a while and walk around in real life for a bit.

  • sean

    circles
    Its all a question of perspective

    Agreed 100%. I am more than happy to discuss historical perspectives and the impact they have on how we view (and determine) our history.

    ”…don’t kid yourself into thinking the establishment of the 26 county state was a noble and clean affair… “

    I can sure assure. I don’t. I know it was a bloody time BUT (IMO) a very different time. The stifling British influence on the aspirations of Nationalist Ireland ruled out a voice for any form of opposition politics. This is in stark contrast to the situation we found ourselves in here in the North during the 70s, 80s and 90s.

    ”…maybe you should put your high horse in the stable for a while…”

    Here I disagree with you. I don’t enjoy going off on a rant, (as is often then danger here on the Slug!) but some things need to be said. Sometimes voices need to be heard. I know a lot of people who would be viewed by most as “moderate Irish Nationalists” feel frustrated at being misrepresented by SF. Their voice is never heard on here and elsewhere in the media (news programs, papers etc) I live in the “real” world wherever (and what ever) that is and I see the misrepresentations, lies and falsehoods that are spun round and passed off as fact. The saddest fact of all is that the good name of Ireland and Irish Republicansm (in itself an honourable goal) has been dragged through the mud and, by association, my good name by with it.

  • Henry94

    Crataegus

    Yet another sign that SF supporters have no sense of proportion. It is this sort of attitude and removing posters (as claimed by Proud People) that is limiting their support and losing support.

    😉

  • Fair

    One unsuccessful SF candidate in the 2005 Council Election was seen removing SDLP posters himself.

    Seems like it’s one rule for us and a different rule for them.