The workers just keep on coming

Employment growth in the Irish economy exceeded 4% for the seventh quarter in a row in the last three months of 2006 with Central Statistic Office (CSO) figures showing annual employment growth was 4.3%, up from 4.2% in the previous quarter.

There was an increase of 85,000 in the numbers of persons employed in the Irish Republic in 2006, taking the total figure to 2.06 million. The overall unemployment rate is now down to 4.2%, a five-year low, with over half the new workers in 2006 coming from outside of the State and UK worker numbers falling year-on-year. Interestingly, employment growth was strongest in the Border, Midland and Western (BMW) Region, up 4.9% or 24,900 extra jobs.
Health and construction are the main areas of employment growth with the building industry increasing its workforce by 28,400 and Health by 18,700. The two sectors accounted for just over 55% of the annual increase in the numbers employed.

Over one-third of labour force growth is attributable to migrants from the new EU Member States while there are were 93,600 people from the EU Accession States in the Irish workforce (classified as persons over 15) in the last quarter of 2006, up from 72,700 in the same period last year.

There are 40,800 UK workers, down from 43,700. The age of the UK population in Ireland appears to have a lot more pensioners with 25,500 not economically active as opposed to just 9,500 among the new EU members.

The CSO Quarterly National Household Survey estimates a total of 301,100 foreign nationals aged 15 years and over in the State in the fourth quarter of 2006. Of these, 215,500 were in employment while a further 14,300 were unemployed according to the ILO criteria.

EU Accession state nationals were the fastest growing category (+30,400) accounting for over one-third (+28,300) of the overall growth in the labour force.

Interestlingly, the number of workers from outside the EU also increased significantly from 51,500 to 69,300 over the year.

Main results Q4 2006 Persons Change in year
Employment 2,066,100 +85,500
Unemployment 88,700 -2,600
Labour Force 2,154,800 +82,900

Other interesting statistics:

– Construction sector accounts for almost 60% of male employment growth
– Fall in the number of women unemployed
– Decrease in the number of students by 8,600 to 354,000
– 76.1% of the 20-24 year age group are working
– 52% of married women now work

Breakdown of non-Irish nationals in Irish workforce final quarter 2006:

UK: 17.8%
New EU: 40.7%
EU 15 exc. Ireland and UK: 11.3%
Other: 30.2%

Non-Irish nationals account for just over 10% of the Irish workforce, making up just over 28% of all hotel and restaurant workers, 13.4% of construction staff and 12% of the production industry sectors.

The employment rate for all persons aged 15-64 is now 68.7%, up 0.9% on a year ago.

  • mickhall

    Good post George, thanks. does anyone know how that 10% of non Irish nationals in the workforce compares with the UK or other countries. Plus 30% of this 10% come from non EU countries, is that correct and if so are they legally in RoI?

  • jamestwo

    what a magnificent transformation has occurred in the economy of the roi in the last decade ! just today (thurs) on the ida website another 369 jobs announced to be created in cork by a usa firm in the software industry. a few weeks ago a japanese firm announces 300 banking jobs for dundalk and Intel announce the creation of an r+d centre at their mega-campus in leixlip. nicely spread . on top of this Euro 184 Billion investment in infrastructure announced by government in january. a remarkable transformation. as a comparison scotland has received vastly more in subsidy from the eu and london than the roi ever did from brussels and their economy is utterly stagnant with a falling or at best static population. in 2009 roi becomes net contributor to eu and probably permanently given the feeblness of new members and old clapped out industrial regions such as scotland. so the paddies doing something right.

  • George

    Mick,
    I found that figure interesting too. I assume they are legal although the numbers of work permits dropped from 47,000 in 2003 to to 34,000 in 2004 with the entrance of the 10 new EU countries. Can’t find any later figures.

    The largest number in 2004 was from the Philippines and I imagine it’s the same now, especially as they are heavily represented in the health sector, which is growing strongly.

    I think it’s a very fluid situation. Last year just 813 Romanians were issued work permits while last month alone there were 3,164.

    Apparently 4,300 Americans moved to Ireland in 2005 but not all of them need work permits as they were of Irish extraction.

    The new Green Card system launched this month means that anyone earning over 60,000 can come here and people in specific industries if they earn over 30,000.

  • Greenflag

    George,

    ‘The new Green Card system launched this month means that anyone earning over 60,000 can come here ‘

    Not quite true . Anyone capable of earning 60,000 in the Republic can get in . If they had to be earning 60,000 euros equivalent in their countries of origin then 99.999999% of Chinese nationals , Indians , Africans etc etc or Eastern Europeans never mind a very high percentage of Americans and Western /Northern /Southern Europeans could not apply.

    The purpose of this new Green card system is to attract people with skills in areas which the Irish Economy has need of. Makes sense .

  • George

    Greenflag,
    Indeed. I meant with a job in Ireland earning 60k.

  • slug

    However…

    Ireland’s annual inflation: 5.2%
    Euroozone’s annual inflation: 1.9%

  • George

    Slug,
    I hope you are not being disingenuous.

    Using the EU harmonised rate (HICP) that got you the 1.9% rate you’ll find that Ireland’s inflation dropped to 2.9% from 3.0% last month.

    It is expected to continue to fall throughout 2007.

  • Henry94

    If we were to do one thing with the money now being generated i think it should be to build a world class public transport infrastructure.

    – A high-speed rail link from Cork to Dublin to Belfast

    – Implementation of the Western corridor

    – Light rail systems in Cork, Galway and Limerick

    – Expansion of Luas in Dublin

    – Allow private bus companies to provide a service

    Lassaiz le bon ton roulez!

  • slug

    No I was not intending to mislead. Evidently I wasn’t comparing like with like so thank you for the correct comparison. It’s good that the HICP inflation rate is not so high. In a fixed exchange rate regime a high level of inflation can be bad for competitiveness. The 3% figure isn’t too worrying while a 5.2% figure would have been.

  • Donnacha

    “Les bonnes temps” surely, Henry. After all we’re part of Europe these days…

  • George

    Slug,
    although in the spirit of fairness I should also point out that distinction of the 5.2% rate is of little comfort to those people who have suffered the six rate hikes since December 2005 with another to come in March.
    And if they don’t have the money to consume, pressure will grow on wages etc.

  • Henry94

    Donnacha

    They say bon ton in Cajun French and I like their ideas more when it comes to parties.

  • Donnacha

    Fair enuffski, I can’t speak French anyway, but I do like the mellifluous sound of the Cajun speech. Partial to the grub too, now that I think of it. Can we get some Cajun immigrants to Ireland just to – ahem – spice up the cuisine scene?
    However, to return to topic for a moment, I never thought I’d see figures like this. Makes me almost sad that I left Ireland in the grim 80s. I coudl have a job there these days, what a novel idea.

  • páid

    I’m sick of this growth bullshit.

    Economy grew by 4.2%. Yes, but if population growth is 4.2%, what’s the big deal?

    All that is happening is that a lot of Poles are moving to Ireland and working, eating, renting flats, driving whatever.

    Am I supposed to jive in the streets at this news?

  • bama boy

    Never knew that Henri, (sounds like sinn spin :)but come on over anyway, we just had Mardi Gras in Mobile, laissez les bonnes temps roulez

  • Crataegus

    páid

    An interesting way of looking at it. However I would imagine that those coming here to work are more likely to be productive than the average local.

    I would be more than a little concerned about inflation.

  • Ulster McNulty

    How many Irishmen does it take to change a lightbulb?

    None….

    A Pole or Filipina will do that for you, but you’ll need an irishmen to talk about how dark it was in the 1970’s, and to talk about the percentage increase in lightbulb installations since November, plus the gigantic amount of lightbulbs currently being installed compared to Scotland.

  • Henry94

    Nice one McNulty.

    How many DUP members does it take to chage a lightbulb.?

    Two. One to borrow a lightbulb from David Trimble and one to deny there has been any change.

  • Greenflag

    Radio Ireland:

    Question : Why is the DUP light bulb the most energy efficient and environmentally friendly bulb in the world ?

    Answer: When it’s switched on it provides more darkness than light !

  • mickhall

    greenflag

    Best joke so far, but then I would say that being the sectarian that Mick claims 😉

    I find the Irish attitude to newcomers fascinating and it is undoubtedly something all the people of the island will have to come to terms with, as it is not going away you know. That so many people still regard newcomers with suspicion and regard them in an unsympathetic manner, despite their own people direct experiences with immigration is interesting to say the least.

    I lived for a time in a part of the world that experienced periodic influxes of immigrants, and what I witnesses was that within a very short period of time, and despite deep hostility at first, they almost all quickly merged with the host community. Only to find themselves part of that community showing the fears and hostility when the next wave of immigrants came in.

    Myself I feel it can only be to the good of Ireland, north and south, as the country needs an influx of ideas and different cultures, as it is much like the UK[less the north] was back in the 1960, in that in many ways it is still a conservative place,[beyond the pale]

    That is not to say there is not a need for sensible governmental policies on this, as it is imperative that people trust the process. Otherwise the rumour mongers and nazi opportunists can so easily take hold. It is also a fact that at first a majority of newcomers will move into areas that already lack good infrastructure, and this is plain wrong as it will mean the less able to do so will take the full strain of the immigrants. Thus Governments must fund these local authorities to improve their infrastructure or spread the newcomers throughout the land.

  • Papist lovin’ Romanist

    I’m extremely pro-immigration. I love living in these times. This country will never be the same again.
    I’m young enough that all this change doesn’t frighten me in the slightest, and old enough to remember when seeing a darker hue of skin on an Irish street was a novelty experience, the last generation to experience such an anomly in a western economy. We can se clearly how immigration has benifited Britain and the U.S. and hope that some of these advantages come our way (minus the negative impact hopefully). Our own history and experience abroad should give us an insight into their experience here and help us understand their situation a bit more, but there are signs of ignorami being let rampant in certain sections of the community which will do damage. A sign though that we are on track came for me after the San Marino game, when RTÉ were interviewing the fans who travelled for their reaction to the shameful spectical. One fan, an immigrant dressed head to foot in green, probably of African orign and in broken english described his anger at the performance. It brought a tear (of joy and hope)to my eye. Now all we need is a new Ronaldinho to appear from Gort Co. Galway and the intergation process will be truely complete!

  • Henry94

    I agree with mickhall and PLR

    Ireland is good for immigrants and immigrants are good for Ireland. I do have a serious concern about radical Islam but that is not to take from the overall picture.

  • elvis paker

    But nearly a fifth of these immigrants are evil ‘Brits’

  • Papist lovin’ Romanist

    “But nearly a fifth of these immigrants are evil ‘Brits’ ”

    Don’t see your point here. Any of the Brits that come over intergrate quite successfully into our society. Probably because they want to enjoy the full experience. They don’t seem to think that enjoying and living with Irish culture is somehow an affront to their own…

  • Harry

    Ireland is experiencing the highest rate of immigration any country has received at any time in its modern history, perhaps the highest that most countries have received at any time in their history.

    Whilst there is much that is good about this – not least the interesting food, sexy women and opportunities for global business relationships – the fact is this is a huge social experiment being carried out without any significant discussion and in an underhand way to ‘de-nationalise’ the country and for the purposes of profit.

    De-nationalising the country serves 2 purposes. As a pan-european phenomenon after enlargement it helps break down nationalism across europe and create a new demographic situation upon which it is intended to build a new european identity. In the Irish context it is to be used as a counter-force to irish gaelic nationalism within the republic of ireland and as a mediating force between unionism and nationalism across the island; a catalyst for mutual understanding.

    It is the extreme nature of the immigration being experienced in ireland relative to its population size that gives the clue that these are indeed the forces at work behind the current unprecedented rates of inflow. Extremism breeds extremism and ireland is undergoing a period of extremism yet again, apparently as an antidote to our unruly and inconvenient sense of nationalism from the point of view of the powers that be.

    Multi-culturalism as a mediating factor between the two competing political forces on the island may not in itself be a bad thing, within reason, but it is the balance of this that is so skewed as to be suspicious and which is so evidently a social experiment aimed at defanging irish nationalism that it is an admission of failure on the part of those who lead 85% of the population of the island to rightfully assert the uniqueness of their culture.

    The template for multi-culturalism in this instance is britain and the united states and the language in which multi-culturalism is to be conducted is the english language. It is, in its unbalance and the political effects to follow from it, a significantly anglo-centric phenomenon. This is the price we are being told to pay for peace on the island, a price I doubt most other european countries – which have never experienced the levels of immigration we are – would be willing to pay.

    It is doubtful, at the end of all this demographic experimentation, that the british will withdraw but our society will have been changed to a much more anglo-friendly one and thus will be more likely to submit to treaties which ill represent our rights as the massive majority – or previously massive majority – of the population. I believe that much of this is being done consciously and for reasons which have as much to do with NATO and britains relationship with europe and america as for any ‘enlightened’ reasons people may put forward.

    I find it interesting also that while in ireland multi-culturalism is being pitched as an antidote to nationalism, nationalsim in britain – in the form of citizenship tests and english language exams – is being pitched as an antidote to multi-culturalism.

    Funny, and laughably transparent.

  • Papist lovin’ Romanist

    Harry,

    I can only speak from my own experiences and opinions, and I do not pretend to speak for everyone (not that I’m accusing yourself of such). But I can safely assume that I’m not unique in my outlook on this situation.

    I have found this immigration-thingy a catylst for an even greater draw towards my own national identity. Not in a scared kind of ‘we may lose our idetity if we don’t do something about this’ kind of way, but in a more relaxed and confident way.

    Let’s face it, Irish culture has been under attack for 100’s of years internally and externally. Yet it still survives and is triving. I was watching a program on BBC 4 a while back called ‘folk Hibernia’ and it was an extremely interesting programme. It highlighted how the traditional music of Ireland was nearly strangled by the RC church in this country, and about how our own emmigrants in the U.S. and Britain kept it alive to it’s traditional aspects (being God-damned fun to listen and dance to!!). But not only did they keep some of the traditional aspects of it alive, they added the flavours and influences of what they were exposed to in their adopted countries, and beyond. An example of this is the bouzouki instrument. It’s almost impossible to imagine a ‘traditional’ Irish tune being played without this instrument, yet it is a traditional Greek instrument that didn’t start to be used in Irish folk music until the 60’s (by Johnny Moynihan).

    Essentially, instead of aspects of Irish culture evolving abroad by our emmigrants exposure to other cultures, we have ourselves being exposed to other cultures right on our own doorsteps! Business as usual in my book. Same result, different circumstances.

    Seeing all these other cultures right here also makes me appreciate the aspects of my own culture which are similar, and also appreciate the unique aspects of my own culture more. I was always useless at speaking Irish at school, and now when I hear all these different languages on the bus going into work in the mornings, I regret the fact that I cannot converse in our own ‘secret’ language. When I had an Indian, who was working in a newsagents, greet and say goodbye to me one day in Irish, I just felt ashamed!

    Look at the many aspects of Irish life considered ‘traditional’. Boxty for example is a traditional fried food locally made in counties Cavan and Leitrim, and it’s main ingredient is potato, a south American foodstuff.

    I don’t think that Ireland is the only place that has changed in the constant battle between anglo and gaelic ideals. The U.S. and Britain have become more greener down through the years. No longer shunned as being alien and foreign, aspects of Irish culture have in some respects become a part of their own cultures.
    The fact that St. Patricks day is the largest, most well known and celebrated ethnic festival on the planet only confirms that our culture is in rude health. It may have ungainly plastic add ons around the outside in places, but the core is still there and still trobing to the beat of a bodhran.

  • Harry

    That’s all well and good but it’s beside the point relative to the profound changes being undergone in our country. Irish culture is hugely anglicised and increasingly – seemingly definitively – so. There is a difference between having a few cultural peculiarities and actually having a distinct culture. Langauge is the main one. And while I understand that multi-culturalism may give some the impetus to learn and use the irish language the fact is such impetus will most likely be overwhelmed by the changes under way. You can foprget about relying on the irish government to intervene in this regard – it is clear what they are made of.

    A population of 20% foreigners and 30%-35% ‘non’irish’ – including unionists – across the island by the end of 2010 is a huge change, one which, in terms of its effects, is far more profound and far-reaching than most people’s happy-clappy minor analyses can understand. There are forces at work here which are altering re-configuring our society to an extreme degree for their own purposes. They are being allowed to do this without discussion by the mainstream media and without challenge. No society in europe would tolerate such dramatic change over such a short time but the irish are expected to and to do so without comment. The irish are passive. Unnecessarily so.

  • lib2016

    ‘The Irish are passive’

    Absolutely not – most of us are actively enjoying the experience confident that we will be able to cope with whatever problems crop up.

    Part of the success is due to the fact that the Irish government made sure that the first wave of arrivals was distributed around the country so that we all got a chance to know each other before the alarmists had time to whip up their hate campaigns, but the younger generation just don’t seem to be up for hate campaigns anyway.

    You mention that multiculturalism is becoming devalued in Britain and that may be due to the rise of far-right parties like UKIP and even more the BNP. Thankfully those parties and their equivalents don’t seem to have got much of a following here in Ireland.

    Things aren’t perfect

  • lib2016

    Sorry,

    ….but they ain’t bad either!

  • Papist lovin’ Romanist

    You can foprget about relying on the irish government to intervene in this regard – it is clear what they are made of.
    What are they supposed to do? Tell all the ‘johnny foregineers’ to p!ss off to where they came from and somehow hope that every Irish person can work 3 jobs in a day? Tell all new investments and companies, ‘Sorry, we’re full. We have 100% employment and no more pure blooded Irishmen available to work for you’. Maybe we should concentrate all foregineers in camps until we can come up with an idea of what to do with them? Have you ever heard of a thing called the EU and it’s free borders policy?
    There are forces at work here which are altering re-configuring our society to an extreme degree for their own purposes.
    Who? The illuminati? Skull and bones? Lord Bast@rds ‘British imperial society of the reconquest of the planet and showing the paddies whats for’ association? Darth Vader? Maggie Thatcher? The blueshirts?
    Did you forget to set your alarm clock one morning in 1980 and only woke up yesterday? The force at work is globalisation and there’s nothing dark or mysterious about it. How many other countries would rather be in our shoes and have such ‘problems’ such as these? While other countries are wondering why they can’t attract investment and where in the hell are they going to get the money from to pay for an ageing and shrinking population, we’re creating over 80,000 jobs in a quarter and can’t build schools quick enough to contain the swarms of sprogs bursting out the seams.
    If the penal laws, famine, and the bullet couldn’t persuade my forfathers to forego their culture, then someone with slightly darker skin tone and/or a funny accent serving me in a shop, or working beside me at work or accepting my service will not make me forego it either. Do you assume that Irish culture is so weak compared to all these other cultures that it will shrivel up and die if it’s not treated with kid gloves, shrink wrapped and stored in a place where it will never evolve or be tampered with?

    And don’t mistake confidence for ‘happy-clappy minor analyses’. Confidence is a great thing. It means you’ve no fear. I have confidence in the Irish people. We don’t need to be baby-sitted or told what to do. We can look after ourselves, and look after those things we cherish most, like our culture. Only we can destroy it.

  • Greenflag

    Mick Hall,

    ‘Best joke so far, but then I would say that being the sectarian that Mick claims ;)’

    BTW – Who said it was a joke :)?

    ‘I find the Irish attitude to newcomers fascinating ‘

    I remember as a kid growing up in Dublin we had a class of a foreigner as a neighbour . He talked ‘funny’ and only looked slightly weird . I later found out he was from Cork !

    Immigration can bring solutions and problems . You can either look at it as a threat or as an opportunity . If we look back at the parentage of some our nationalist/republican leaders of the past we can see that the ‘immigrant’ has been here longer than most of us realise .

    De Valera (Cuban Spanish )-Pearse (English ) Connolly (Scots) , Parnell (American ) Briscoe ( Lithuanian Jewish )
    Countess Markievicz (Polish/ Anglo/Irish) etc etc .

    I think every society has limitations in the number of immigrants it can absorb both financially and from a structural and societal point of view . Thus there is a need for control. Given time most immigrants will become ‘irish ‘ just as most ‘irish ‘ emigrants in times past became Americans , English, Australian etc etc .

  • Greenflag

    PLR,

    ‘Did you forget to set your alarm clock one morning in 1980 and only woke up yesterday? The force at work is globalisation and there’s nothing dark or mysterious about it.’

    Brilliant 🙂

    BTW -IIRC it was a German – a Professor Kuno Meyer who in the 19th century helped to resuscitate the Irish language revival not to mention the many Anglo Irish who were also involved in the Irish Gaelic literary and cultural renaissance .

    ‘where in the hell are they going to get the money from to pay for an ageing and shrinking population,

  • Harry

    Your responses are mostly superficial. None of you address the actual facts of immigration into ireland.
    Our political classes chose to open the borders to the new accession countries immediately – they didn’t have to do this. They have placed only token restrictions on bulgaria and romania while continuing the same immigration policies that have led to the current unprecedented inflows. They chose, when the country voted ‘No’ to the Nice referendum, to ignore the country and run the referendum again until they got the right answer. In the lead-up to Nice they said that those who predicted huge immigration as a result of it were scare-mongerers. Now that huge immigration has resulted from it they call those who don’t agree with it ‘racists’.
    They control the media discussion of this issue so that little gets said about it and whatever is said is hugely pro-establishment and pro-business in tone.

    In other words, we are experiencing the highest rate of immigration that any european country has experienced in an atmosphere of cynical manipulation and silence.

    Currently 200,000 immigrants are immigrating annually into a country with a population of 4 million. 4000 people a week are immigrating into this country. This has been the figure for the last 2 years with a total gross immigration over the 3 years prior to that of around a further 250,000.
    Now we have Romania and Bulgaria, with 3000 Romanians already having applied for PPS numbers in the month of january alone according to the Sunday Times. We can add therefore around another 30,000 to 50,000 to the annual gross immigration figures to include these new countries, in line with predictions by the ESRI about population movements from these countries.
    That’s a current rate of gross immigration into the republic of Ireland of 250,000 per annum. This doesn’t incclude those who are not registered or who are illegal. It doesn’t include immigration into northern ireland either.

    It doesn’t take a genius to see where this is all going and what proportion of the population will be made up of immigrants and how soon this will occur.

    No other country has experienced such a massive demographic change through immigration. What is occurring in ireland is extremist in nature and largely unneccessary – unless one is trying to achieve certain, unstated aims.

    The CSO data on these things are not accurate – indeed after having investigated it I would say that the CSO are guilty of lying about this issue, since they have chosen to leave data on PPS numbers out of their estimates of immigration and gross immigration.

    By the end of 2010 anywhere from 30-40% of the population of the island will call themselves ‘non-irish’. Those who argue for no serious discussion on this matter outside of ‘how are we going to integrate the ‘new irish” and who characterise those who challenge the current set-up as ‘racists’ are sleep-walking into a future in which irish nationalism is to be disassembled through extreme levels of social engineering and media pressure. British nationalsim of course is to be accomodated and its influence spread throughout the island. What we are witnessing is the pacification of ireland presented in the guise of ‘progress’.

    There are those of course who believe that the current levels of immigration will change and those who immigrate will return home in large part. I would say that there is no evidence to back up this claim and that those who rely on a future recession as an essential element of their current policies are politically and ideologically redundant.

  • Harry

    It seems to have gone terribly quiet in here. Perhaps people find the actual figures for immigration a little shocking, now that they’ve been told them; something the mainstream media studiously avoids when referring to this issue.

    Does no-one wish to step forward and defend a rate of gross immigration that is equal to 6% of the total population annually? A rate of immigration that is higher than that experienced in the colonies of the New World for most of the last 200 years; a rate of immigration indeed that is higher than most countries on the globe have experienced at any time over the last 200 years?

    No takers?

  • Harry

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  • Greenflag

    Thank you Harry for the numbers . People leave/emigrate/return as well so the real figure would be ‘net immigration’ which I would hazard is less than your gross figure . I wish I had time to research this issue in detail – I will later but right now I’ve got a Mandarin exam coming up 🙁

    I think you raise very serious questions and I’m afraid the only answer I can come up with is that the Irish people North and South as well as the British Unionists in NI have taken a conscious decision to outsource child production and reduce overall educational and medical infrastructural costs by importing already mature adults and in many cases educated people to take the place of the children they would have had themselves except they were too busy either making money or enjoying the sun on the Algarve .

    It’s always been the case in history -the rich have money and the poor have children . Ireland -North or South is no different . Probably in about 20 years we’ll be fully fledged members of the Eurogeriatric Club and like Americans and Germans and French and British will be utterly dependent on young immigrants to fold down our bed covers and administer our last medications before we depart this mortal coil .

    The hand which rocks the cradle etc etc .

    Anyway I’m off to Mandarin class and on Thursday I start Beginner’s Polish . No sense in not being prepared . I hear Filipino is not too difficult

  • kensei

    “Don’t see your point here. Any of the Brits that come over intergrate quite successfully into our society. Probably because they want to enjoy the full experience. They don’t seem to think that enjoying and living with Irish culture is somehow an affront to their own…”

    Or tend to demand that actually, everything should be run from London.

  • Harry

    It’s hardly surprising that the economy is growing – these massive numbers of additional people have to eat and sleep somewhere. What’s interesting is how the construction boom is now stalling despite such a massive demographic shot in the arm – surely an indication of just how astonishingly weak the underlying trend of that industry is if it were left without such artificial (one might say ‘political’ rather than economic) support.
    How healthy can you say is an economy in which a major tranche of its wealth derives from immigrants building houses to house immigrants? Circular and unsustainable it seems to me and certainly far from the ‘impressive economic miracle’ that the gombeens say we are to be impressed and thankful for. And meanwhile of course we all have to pay these manipulative shits (the gombeens) inflated proportions of our monthly income for the ‘privilege’ of a roof over our heads in our own country.

    And all the while indigenous manufacturing has been going through the floor…

    Less self-congratulation and more open eyes – along with more actual as opposed to pretend ambition – is called for.

  • PaddyReilly

    Less self-congratulation and more open eyes is called for.

    I’d agree with that but I think Ireland hasn’t done too bad: compared with London, anyway.

    30-40% non-Irish does sound a little dangerous, but will they consider themselves as non-Irish when these things come to pass?

    And who are these “Brits”? How many of them are really Irish returnees? James Connolly certainly was, though he is listed above as Scottish.

    Basically, when considering immigration, you have to ask whether people are coming as individuals or invaders. Are they likely to intermarry with the Irish population, leaving nothing but foreign surnames in a couple of generations, or do they have to send home for spouses every time one of them wants to marry?

    My great aunts managed to marry Italians and Swiss without ever leaving Ireland. And one unlucky lady managed to catch Adolf Hitler’s brother at the Dublin Horse Show.

    Immigration from Europe has been going on all the time, and the only problems it caused were when it was being used as an imperialistic programme to displace the natives.

    On Skype I noticed one young lady listed her nationality as Latvian and residence as Ireland. The message she displayed was: I hate Ireland.

    I sympathise with her plight, though I wonder if the matter was not really I hate working (but I need the money) a sentiment that is probably familiar to us all. If it’s really Ireland that is the problem, should we not be looking into moving the mushroom factories (or whatever) to Latvia, so the workers don’t have the commute and don’t have to miss out on the winter skiing? Isn’t that what globalisation is about, businesses getting the opportunity to move rather than dragging the workers half way round the globe when that’s not what they really want?

  • Harry

    30-40% non-Irish does sound a little dangerous, but will they consider themselves as non-Irish when these things come to pass?

    Considering that this will come to pass within 4 years at current rates, I think we can say with some confidence that the immigrants will consider themselves non-irish. Indeed it will come to pass within 4 years even at half the current rate. Immigrants will make up 20-25% of the population of the republic by 2010 at current rates and non-irish, including unionists, will make up 30-40% of the population of the island.

    Of course you could always choose to believe the likes of NCB stockbrokers, who are fond of coming on tv and telling us that a million immigrants will have moved to ireland by 2020. One wonders where they get this statistic from, given that the number of PPS numbers issued to foreign nationals from June 2000 to Dec 2006 alone is 816,000 and given that the current rate of non-national immigration into the republic of ireland is running at 250,000 per annum. Perhaps they pulled these statistics from their hole, to fit in with their neo-liberal anti-nationalist agenda.

    Or perhaps they got them from the CSO, who claim that even though gross immigration (according to the CSO’s own figures) has been running at 40,000-50,000 per annum since 1996 and has totalled (according to the Department of Social & Family Affairs figures for PPS numbers) 816,000 non-nationals in the last 6 and a half years alone, that nonetheless only 400,000 non-nationals remain in the republic. This despite the fact that the CSO’s figures for gross emigration over the last 6 and a half years has totalled a mere 136,000 of combined irish and non-national emigrants.

    Clearly someone is telling porkies, and humungous ones at that. These figures are merely the official estimates – they don’t include those who are not registered & who are illegal and it doesn’t include those who have immigrated into northern ireland.

  • Harry

    < > again.
    For some reason the above comment didn’t appear on the main list again when I first submitted it. What’s the story?