Splitters!

The Unionists parties and candidates are arguing over who is splitting the Unionist vote. The DUP has rounded on the UKUP and assorted independents. The UUP blames the DUP for starting it all while independents have pretty much told the DUP to get stuffed. So who exactly is the PFJ, the JPF (Suicide squad) and the JPPF in all this?

The relevant scene:
REG:
Right. You’re in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the fucking Judean People’s Front.
P.F.J.:
Yeah…
JUDITH:
Splitters.
P.F.J.:
Splitters…
FRANCIS:
And the Judean Popular People’s Front.
P.F.J.:
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Splitters. Splitters…
LORETTA:
And the People’s Front of Judea.
P.F.J.:
Yeah. Splitters. Splitters…
REG:
What?
LORETTA:
The People’s Front of Judea. Splitters.
REG:
We’re the People’s Front of Judea!
LORETTA:
Oh. I thought we were the Popular Front.
REG:
People’s Front! C-huh.
FRANCIS:
Whatever happened to the Popular Front, Reg?
REG:
He’s over there.
P.F.J.:
Splitter!

  • esmereldavillalobos

    I suppose the next logical question would be:

    “What has the Union ever done for us?”

    *ducks*

  • BP1078

    The Unionists parties and candidates are arguing over who is splitting the Unionist vote

    Ah, some things never change, the good oul Unionist *family*- could teach The Simpsons a lesson or two on the true meaning of “dysfunctionality”.

    If it’s a PR election, as opposed to first past the post, doesn’t really matter surely, as long as you vote Unionist down the list?

    And of course that’s what any good Unionist will be doing, not letting any petty party or personal rivalries get in the way…

  • Cromwell

    But I’m Irish Mum, I’m a paddy, a mick, a taig, I’m a Galway bay pedestrian.
    Face it Billy, you’re British!

  • Nevin

    fd,

    The splits in pan-Unionism and pan-Nationalism have been there for a long time; Paisley and Adams are now reaping the ‘rewards’ of their apartheid antics.

  • Butterknife

    I so much want to say ‘plumbing’ and ‘health’ etc.
    Reg has a point: The DUP was initially an anti-fenian party, now it’s a pro-agreement party so even though the DUP is popular it’s embryonic ideology has failed.

  • darth rumsfeld

    wewease Weg!

  • Butterknife

    Explain yourself Darth, i don’t understand your point.

  • George

    Don’t you meant Dawth buttewknife?

  • The Unionists parties and candidates are arguing over who is splitting the Unionist vote.

    And in true Unionist fashion they miss the point entirely – because it’s a transferrable vote election and as long as people transfer down the ballot paper, there’s no splitting involved. Duh!

  • Of course there’s ‘splitting’ involved. One of the most loathsome aspects of the wretched voting system used for Stormont is the degree of expertise required from party managers in order to avoid ‘vote shredding’.

  • One of the most loathsome aspects of the wretched voting system used for Stormont

    Wretched? What would you prefer?

    is the degree of expertise required from party managers in order to avoid ‘vote shredding’.

    It doesn’t take any real expertise; it just requires people to have less of an ego and not get into intra-party feuds.

  • Martin

    We are the knights who say ‘No!’

    Ach, wrong movie!

  • Nevin
  • darth rumsfeld

    “Explain yourself Darth, I don’t understand your point.

    Posted by Butterknife on Feb 16, 2007 @ 12:51 PM”

    tut tut, not a python fan I see. If Mick would be so kind as to put up the entire film you could fast forward to that section where Pontius Pilate and Biggus Dickus are asking the crowd who they want released.

    Oh, and while we’re on the topic
    Hibernes Eeunt Domus!

  • Third Enforcer

    Picture the scene:

    The Roman Centurion is standing checking off those condemned to crucifixition

    Crucifixition ?.. Yes.. Okay, on you go,

    Crucifixition ?.. Yes.. Okay, on you go,

    Crucifixition ?.. Yes.. Okay, on you go,

    Sir Reg appears:

    Crucifixition ?.. No, they said that I could go free..Oh, jolly well then off you go.

    Big Paisley bellows “Not if I have anything to do with it”

  • Dawkins

    I don’t know if the “fault” lies with my browser, but the News Letter also seems hellbent on creating dissention (or worse) in the DUP ranks.

    Here’s how a side bar items appears on their Belfast Today page:

    Free
    Presbyterian
    minister backs
    Berry

    A SENIOR
    member of the
    Free Presbyterian
    Church is backing
    former DUP
    member Paul
    Berry in the
    Asse…
    more »

    What can it all mean? :0)

  • InTheAss
  • Hokey-pokey

    The problem this time out of course is that Bob has actually said in clear terms that the only reason he is running is to split the vote and prevent the DUP from making the gains they are poised to in places like EL and NB. He is hoping to make PSF the largest party in the Assembly and then he wants to watch the whole thing fall apart.

    Although Reg has a nerve to attack the DUP – how many party’s has he been in? Lets see – the was the UUP, the Vangaurd, the the United Ulster Unionist Party (an oxymoron if ever there was one) and then back to the UUP again. Jeepers he’s been in more parties than Paris Hilton.

  • Crataegus

    This merely shows either how stupid or duplicitous they are.

    The voting system is STV. Yes that means when someone is eliminated the votes transfer. So cut the crap and try and present an honest face to the electorate. Everyone has a right to stand. No one has the God given right to represent any community.

  • joeCanuck

    So long as you don’t “plump” Crataegus.
    I remember that Mr.Paisley was the lead proponent of plumping back in the 70’s when most of his focus was on destroying his principal “enemy” – the UUP.

  • Crataegus

    joeCanuck

    High time the Unionists started to educate their electorate as to how the voting system works. Of course if they did that the electorate would soon realise they could quite safely go out and vote say Conservative or Labour and them vote Unionist, and they may even end up with people they want. Education can be a dangerous thing.

  • Hokey-pokey

    Crat

    Yes everyone has a right to stand, but in seats where Unionists are facing an uphill struggle, the only people Bob will help is nationalism as votes transfer back at a fraction of there original value. I was traditonally a plumper – vote Unionist, then Tory, then APNI and stop, but I intend to go right dow the ticket this time.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Hokey-Pokey: “Yes everyone has a right to stand, but in seats where Unionists are facing an uphill struggle, the only people Bob will help is nationalism as votes transfer back at a fraction of there original value.”

    In other words, everybody has a right to stand except when its your ox that gets gored…

    Interesting interpretation of “democracy” you have there, H-P…

  • Hokey-pokey

    Crat

    People can stand, but Bobs motivations in standing are despicable.

  • Crataegus

    Hokey-Pokey

    votes transfer back at a fraction of there original value.

    No you are wrong on that. When people lower down are eliminated their votes are transferred in FULL to their second and then their third preference and so on.

    Where you run into fractions is the surplus votes of those who have reached a quota. When these surplus are redistributed the fractions come into it.

    Remember votes from those eliminated transfer in full. It is of fundamental importance. Always vote for who you want first your vote is not wasted then transfer to who you think is second best, and eventually go for the tribal vote if you must.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Hokey-Pokey: “People can stand, but Bobs motivations in standing are despicable. ”

    Politics ain’t patty-cake, H-P.

    It is his right to stand, full stop. You don’t like it, get involved in the campaign, support your candidates, etc.

    Democracy is, ideally, the people making a choice about ideas and policy. At least he’s got an idea — put the Republicans in charge and see what happens. It’s not a new or radical or even uniquely N.I. notion.

    In one sense, I am deadly curious to see what happens if he succeeds — which will exposed first — Republicanism questionable ability to lead / administer N.I. or Unionism questionable acceptance of a democracy where they don’t hold the whip-hand.

  • wee willie

    You guys have, yet again, missed the point. A vote for any of the looney-unionist parties helps put mad Martin in as First Minister instead of nice Ian. A vote for a Bob clone is particularly a waste as even the great Bob (his view not mine)cannot be two people at the same time (or can he?). The largest party has the FM post so get up off your bums and ensure Marty is stopped in his tracks.

    Also in the outgoing Assembly the addition of one MLA could have increased the Ministerial team of three parties. So an additional MLA would make a big difference.

    I can’t wait to get out there to vote and I am certainly not going to help multi-Bob in his wrecking ambitions.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    wee willie: “A vote for any of the looney-unionist parties helps put mad Martin in as First Minister instead of nice Ian.”

    That, sir, is a matter of opinion and personal preference, such as a choice between arsenic and cyanide.

    Likewise, sir, I would respectfully suggest that you have missed the point. A remedial course in Democracy 101 (Theory and Practice) will clear it up.

  • BP1078

    “You guys have, yet again, missed the point.”

    wee willie
    Oh no, I don’t think we have.

    For the first time in a long time the Dupers are running scared and as a result, it’s back to the sectarian zero-sum, “Don’t worry too much about any of that actual long-term strategy or policies crap, lads vote us to keep the uppity Fenian off the High Chair, “.

    SF becoming the biggest party in the Assembly could be the best thing long term for the Union. It’ll humble the DUPers, teach them not to take the Unionist electorate for granted; it’ll waken up the sleeper Unionists in the garden centres and golf club bars- the continuance of the Union is not written in stone, you’re going to have to get off your collective arses if you want it to continue, start taking an active part in dragging political Unionism into the 21st Century. And most of all, it’ll put the Shinners in the spotlight, they have never had this kind of power before, let’s sit back and see how they cope with it.

    Long term for the Union, potentially the best result will be the supposed double whammy of the SNP and SF becoming biggest parties in their respective legislatures-it’ll concentrate peoples’ minds no end.

  • Aaron McDaid

    The FM is exactly the same as the DFM anyway, but let’s not let facts get in the way of DUP mopery.

  • harpo

    The 2003 election consolidated most of the unionist vote behind the DUP and UUP, at the expense of smaller unionist parties and independents.

    The DUP gained a number of seats (6 I think) as a result of this. The overall unionist vote was about the same, it just consolidated.

    Maybe 2007 will be the election where it unravels again. It’s very possible that the DUP will lose seats if people engage in protest voting that reflects the recent defections from the DUP. They will remain unionists but won’t vote DUP.

    Who can they vote for? Where is the best place for an anti-GFA, anti-power-sharing unionist to go, now that the DUP is established as an anti-GFA, pro-power-sharing unionist party?

  • Inspector Clouseau

    Harpo,

    Anti-power-sharing unionism is history. Unless you still count Raving Loony Unionism as personified by the one and only Bob Law McCartney.

  • I wonder

    Closeau – Anti power sharing Unionism may be history, but Bob Looney Mc Cartney is partnered by the little unionist supremicist cults active in the blogsphere.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    harpo: “Who can they vote for? Where is the best place for an anti-GFA, anti-power-sharing unionist to go, now that the DUP is established as an anti-GFA, pro-power-sharing unionist party? ”

    Perhaps the local dispensary, since obviously the scrip for their anti-psychotic has run out.

    Seriously, tho — power-sharing / democracy is not going to go away, you know…

  • noel adams

    In the last assembly election in foyle W HAY got in on the first ballot with over 500 surplus they did not go in the main to uup or any other waterside canidate but to mary bradly ergo willy is the only east bank canidate elected and the transfers keept SF out of the last seat. Yes its cute politics but hardly leaves DUP in a position to lecture everyone on vote managment.

  • Crataegus

    It amazes me that people put up with vote management. I take the view that it is my vote and I will vote for whoever I want in whatever order I want and if that means some Muppet does not get in then fine.

  • In the last assembly election in foyle W HAY got in on the first ballot with over 500 surplus they did not go in the main to uup or any other waterside canidate but to mary bradly

    Sadly not – of Hay’s votes, 5108 (84%) went to the UUP, 202 to Courtney, only 30 to Bradley, 101 to the other SDLP candidates, 38 to Alliance, 26 to McCann, 13 to McBrearty, 9 to the Shinners and 574 didn’t transfer at all.

    It would have indeed been very cute politics to do what you suggest. But it’s not what happened.

    Pat Ramsey also heavily outpolled Mary Bradley in transfers when the UUP went out.

    It amazes me that people put up with vote management.

    No, it makes perfect sense and it’s one of the strengths of STV. If I’m a party loyalist, I can follow the party’s advice and help them manage the vote. If I’m a free thinker I tell them all where to shove their vote management schemes. I think it’s very democratic.

  • PaddyReilly

    Where is the best place for an anti-power-sharing unionist to go, now that the DUP is established as a pro-power-sharing unionist party?

    Don’t worry, I’m sure the DUP are lying. Give them a couple of months and some retired police controller will help them to establish the existence of a ‘spy-ring’, and they’ll be off again. Just give them long enough to draw their salaries.

  • challenger

    The issue of splitting is really a nonsense if you think about it. If a candidate is standing on a specific issue and another one comes along to stand in the same constituency on the SAME issue, then she/he is arguably a vote splitter. However, if two candidates are standing in the SAME constituency with OPPOSING policies, then they cannot be vote splitters. Obviously Robinson et al are enraged. They conned the electorate in 2005 by making promises they couldn’t/wouldn’t keep and were elected in good faith by those who believed them. They are now pro-Agreement and their arrogance does not allow them to regard anyone elso as more uncompromising than themselves. The point is, however, that the DUP have an entirely different policy from that of McCartney and the Independents thus those who are pro-Agreement will vote DUP and those who are anti-SAA wouldn’t vote for them anyway. McCartney may not be the kind of person you would invite out for a pint but he has a right to stand and a right to give expression to the anti-SAA voters who were deserted by the DUP. Is that right?

  • Paddy

    Oh, and while we’re on the topic
    Hibernes Eeunt Domus!

    Come er my lad!

    Hiberni( subject of the verb, nominitave case) ite ( third person plural of the imperative) Domum ( object of the vern accusative case)

    Hiberni ite domum. Now write it out a hundred times!!!