DUP PEB: “that was the UUP’s legacy…”

You can see the DUP’s PEB is here… (shame it’s not on YouTube…)

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  • Michael Shilliday

    I don’t know why I’m surprised its stuffed full of lies, I should really know better.

  • George

    May take a few minutes to load?

    I thought that Northern Ireland was 100% broadband.

    All Iris or any of the DUP had to say on the economy was one one sentence, stating the bloody obvious – changes were necessary.

    The DUP’s recommendation is a “financial package” or else nothing will happen.

    Pay out or we walk out.

    The Belfast Agreement is dead Peter, of course it is.

  • wee ulsterman

    Gosh what kind of party is it thats so insecure they need to devote the whole start of their TV broadcast to attacking their rivals?

    Lol, Robinson tried to say yesterday that the dups had moved beyond attacking the UUP but clearly they’re feeling spooked – just look at the number of press releases on their site obsessed with attacking Reg!

    The whole tone of this is so negative and begrudging – all those boring politicians instead of the fresh ‘normal people’ feel of the SDLP and UUP broadcasts.

    DUP come across as trying to fight the last war, with the same old boring rhetoric that nobody believes in now anyways post-St Andrews – whereas the centre-ground parties come across as being much more focussed on the future.

    Maybe this election will see the come-back of the centre-ground?

  • parcifal

    I’m looking forward to seeing the Assembly reconvened, because that will really test if Unionism can stand on its own two feet.

    The majority of this broadcast was about SF, and by constanty referring to yourself as opposing something, and not standing for something means there will be trouble ahead!

    you simply cannot define yourself in terms of negatives in the modern political world and hope to survive.

  • slug

    To be fair, I thought it was good. The comparison with the UUP’s one, the DUP are saying “we will keep the pressure on Sinn Féin before going into powersharing” while the UUP are saying “we will go into powersharing with Sinn Féin now”. So the DUP one was a harder message.

  • Great video. The DUP really have achieved so much more than the Ulster Unionists ever did. The Irish Language Act and potentially a Sinn Fein First Minister to name but two.

    I could nearly overlook their “Getting it right” rubbish as spin if it wasn’t for the fact that they insist on portraying themselves as somehow “harder” than the UUP, while trying to extort “a financial package” from the exchequer in the name of “progress”. Dick Turpin wouldn’t be near it.

  • Inspector Clouseau

    It’ll be a long time before any accusation of lying by the UUP will be seen as anything other than utter, shamless hypocrisy.

    Have the DUP asked people to vote for the release of prisoners?

    Did you hear Empey today implying that SF should have been in goverment 3 1/2 years ago! A vote winner for sure.

  • wee ulsterman

    Monsieur Clouseau (c/o Dundela Ave.)

    Where’s the UUP accusation of lying? I haven’t seen it.

    Will the DUP go into govt with SF on March 26th? some of you seem to say yes, some no, some just retreat into obfuscation. It’s hardly ‘leadership’.

    Read your tax policy document yesterday. Real cute. Great stuff. But HOW ON EARTH are you going to be able to do anything about it without going into government?

    Does Northern Ireland get a government of our own or not?? DUP just can’t answer this, it’s pathetic!

    I mean March 26th is just a matter of weeks away – why can’t the DUP just be honest with the people and tell us what they’ve going to do?

    (no balls, thats why)

  • Inspector Clouseau

    WU,

    “Will the DUP go into govt with SF on March 26th?”

    Who knows? Will they be satisfied by of SF’s credentials as democrats by 26th March/April/October 2007/8/9?

  • Dr Who

    “Who knows? Will they be satisfied by of SF’s credentials as democrats by 26th March/April/October 2007/8/9?”

    I sincerely hope wee ulsterman isn’t right and inspector clouseau isn’t one of the “bright young ones” at Dundela avenue…..if he/she was then what a thoroughly depressing answer – Might we be able to run our own country again – well depends what sort of mood Robo is in today.

    You wouldn’t have despair with that bunch of gutless wonders of the helm of unionism.

  • Inspector Clouseau

    Dr Who,

    I was just trying to wind the wee ulsterman up a bit.

    A bit of “constructive ambiguity” has worked well for some why shouldn’t the DUP use it to their advantage.

    The DUP are saying that they are condition led rather than calendar led. If the conditions are right they’ll enable a power sharing arrangment with SF. The condtions are a lot closer to being right than they were three and half years before significant decommissioning (albeit imperfect in how it was carried out) and any support from republicans for the Police Service of Northern Ireland.

    Not having to declare anything about the 26th March means their post election hand is strengthened. In my estimation thats when the proverbial will hit the fan in Dundela Avenue.

  • Balloo

    The Belfast Agreement is dead! Long live the Belfast Agreement!

  • Greenflag

    Parcifal,

    ‘The majority of this broadcast was about SF, ‘

    This is to help bolster the SF vote to ensure there is no slippage to the SDLP 🙂

    ‘you simply cannot define yourself in terms of negatives in the modern political world and hope to survive. ‘

    I’m afraid parcifal that the DUP are way ahead of ye me bucko on this one . They obviously don’t assume assume as you appear to have, that NI is part of the modern political world . The fact that the DUP has been the main instrument in keeping NI as far away from the modern political world gives them an edge . NI’s convoluted mix of sectarian /constitutional divide politics are unlike anything else in Europe bar perhaps some Balkan enclave or the Middle East 🙁

    The sight of Paisley’s gob in front of the Union Jack was just too much for me to bother watching apart from the slow download aspect. I’d rather watch grass grow 🙂

    I don’t expect btw for this Assembly ever to get off the ground. Even if it does it’ll be a bird on one wing with two albatrosses around it’s neck.

  • interested

    Michael
    “I don’t know why I’m surprised its stuffed full of lies, I should really know better.”

    OOOOOHHHHHH….. get her!!!

    Put yer handbag down for a minute and sort out the terminal decline of yer party!

  • Cahal

    I’m stillllllll waiting for it to buffer…..I have a lighening fast internet connection. Are the DUP still using a commodore 64/spectrum or what?

  • Cahal

    I can never get that 5 minutes back. NEVER NEVER NEVER.

  • 2050

    Same old shite. They haven’t actually said what they would do if they were voted into government.

    What have they done?
    What have they delivered?
    What is their vision?

    Run out of excuses and running out of options!

    Vótáil UUP

  • Dawkins

    Greenflag

    “I don’t expect btw for this Assembly ever to get off the ground. Even if it does it’ll be a bird on one wing with two albatrosses around it’s neck.”

    Some bird, some neck! Obviously a roc, which as we know is a mythical creature. Very appropriate metaphor for the Assembly.

  • I actually thought it wasn’t bad if you think who the DUP are aiming it at. What it basically said was – “Unlike that crowd of sell out bastards, we’re actually making the IRA deliver, and they don’t like it. But we’re still up for a deal with them.”

    It’s a good message for their target audience, although the production values are the poorest of the four we’ve seen so far. Especially that glam rock guitar background – absolute and total shite.

    Mind you, we’re had the DUP PEB saying they’ll put pressure on the Shinners, and an SF one saying they’ll put pressure on Paisley, so is there any chance we’ll actually get a working government out of all this.

  • gerry & the peacemakers

    My belief is that the UUP know they are going to lose out big time in this election. I think they could have as little as 20-22 seats which would be an absolute disaster, especially if the DUP has around 35 or more.

    Ive no vested interest in my views as I am not going to give either of them a vote – neither no1 or no10!

    Just an observation.

  • Inspector Clouseau

    35 seats doesn’t seem unrealistic for the DUP

    N&A could go to Berry but on similar figures as 2005 they can add 3 seats elsewhere NB,EB,SB and even SA.

  • tomorrows people

    3 minutes of usual old rhetoric.
    1 minute about issues that matter but no suggestion about how they intended to deal with them.
    1 minute of usual old rhetoric.

    Same old same old, nothing to see here move along please.

  • Butterknife

    Very depressing.

  • observer

    Michael
    “I don’t know why I’m surprised its stuffed full of lies, I should really know better.”

    Such as “No guns, NO Government”…or “We`ve saved the RUC”

  • Observer

    Where’s the lies Shilliday?

    Good broadcast. Forward thinking to a stable and devolved government.

    The DUP are not intend on going into government before Sinn Fein/IRA meets the tests before them. Therefore it’s up to Sinn Fein to DELIVER!

  • BillyO

    Very depressing.

    Not great production and the same old faces.

    Paisley, the Robinsons and Dodds telling us what a buch of w***ers the UUP are and how the DUP will smash Sinn Fein.

    No detail about how they are going to achieve anything positive (do they even know the word?) – just an appeal to the old tribal loyalties.

    I thought the “highlight” was their plans for the economy – the awful Iris Robinson telling us that they will not proceed until Gordon Brown meets the DUP demands for a financial package that is acceptable to them – yeah, right Iris.

    In contrast, I was pleasantly surprised by how forward looking and realistic the UUP PEB was.

    However, unfortunately I think that the DUP will probably get the more seats than they did last time. A “victory” for negative politics and NI gets dragged backwards yet again.

    It makes me glad I don’t live there any more.

  • unionist

    Terrible…..

    So typical of the DUP…. apparantely the DUP will not be attacking fellow unionist’s in this election but focusing on the real enemy..republicans.

    Utter rubbish and so backward.

    How can the DUP and SF possibly work together in government?? In short, they can’t.

    By contrast the UUP are willing to move on and improve NI for everyone. The best outcome for the people of Northern Ireland would be a SDLP/UUP win. Only then would things really start to improve.

  • sd

    “Vótáil UUP”

    2050 – Im surprised thats not Reg and Co’s new slogan !!!

    “By contrast the UUP are willing to move on and improve NI for everyone”

    Unionist – As they showed in 1998 !!!! not !!

  • MÓG

    Negative as usual. Not a mention of their proud British culture this time though. Just a bit of UUP slanging and a tacky badge. Does anyone believe Paisley when he says his party aren’t divided. It’s a bit hard to believe when he doesn’t believe it himself. The tide will turn on the DUP and there’ll be a lot of egos without seats in ten years time. Mark my words

  • gerry & the peacemakers

    The DUP may well be divided but they are very disciplined – you wont be hearing any dissention before polling day.

    I fully expect the DUP to wipe the UUP off the map. DUP 36 seats UUP 22.

  • slug

    The next UUP election broadcast should showcase some of their candidates. Some of them are very able people, such as Esmond Birnie and Kenny Donaldson.

  • MÓG

    Kenny Donaldson is a blow-in. He has no link to the area. He does not live or work there. He has been sleazing around everywhere this past few weeks. Tom Elliot should watch out with the vote management cause there’s only room for one UUP seat.

  • slug

    Well regardless of whether he is a blow in (he comes from Crossmaglen) he seems to be one of the UUP’s strong new candidates. The UUP will struggle to get two seats in this constituency, so I think that South Down might have been a better choice for Kenny Donaldson, since the UUP candidate there is not very well known.

  • nectar

    The UUP will be left with 20 to 21 seats,

    North belfast will be left with no uu representation eventhough fred is a thoroughly decent guy.

    Moving onto south belfast M McG.will be sole uu representative which will be super!

    Strangford will be reduced to one due to the poor quality of the candidates.

    South down is another place that the uu`s will be reduced to nothing.

    Added to this we the uup have no chance of winning seats to replace the seats that they will lose,and if anybody mentions lagan valley and how JD`s supporters are all uu supporters i will scream.

    No if the uup wants to survive it has to stop putting foward poor candidates and reinvent itself something i believe the current leader claimed he would do,which still hasnt happened.

    The sad thing for the uup is that they will be reduced to around 20 seats and after the election they will sit back and say well it wasnt to bad and the voters will come back to us.

  • Greenflag

    Dawkins,

    ‘Some bird, some neck! Obviously a roc, which as we know is a mythical creature. Very appropriate metaphor for the Assembly.

    Definition

    ‘A roc or rukh (from Persian رخ rokh) is a an enormous mythical bird of prey, often white, reputed to have been able to carry off and eat elephants.[1]’

    This is one myth that is in danger of becoming a reality . But look on the bright side. If the Roc of mythology can carry off and eat elephants perhaps the Roc of reality (NI Assembly will do likewise for it’s members 🙂

    What is the difference between a fairy story in the Irish Republic and a fairy story in the land of the NI Assembly ? The connection here with the Roc is tenous via mythology 🙂

    Anyway fairy stories in the Republic start with the words ‘Once upon a time there was ‘ whereas fairy stories in the land of the NI Assembly begin with the words ‘ Once upon a time there will be ‘

    Given the number of failed starts /suspensions etc etc perhaps the fairy story in the land of the NI Assembly should begin with the words

    ‘ Not just once upon a time but several onces upon a time there will be an NI Assembly where the wolf was kind and respectful to the lamb and each day a new lamb was found for the wolf to be kind and respectful to . The wolf showed the lamb respect by eating him for dinner each evening etc ‘

  • Oilibhear Chromaill

    Typical. The DUP PEB is on a windows format and my mac can’t open it using either real player or quicktime. Perhaps it all goes back to Umberto Eco’s classification of Macs as Catholic and PCs as Protestant computers….

  • Tell it like it is

    The DUP are in tatters, having done everything in his life along the premise of, dividing and conquering Paisley is now sitting very uncomfortably.

    Ulster Unionists have undoubtedly made mistakes but their vision for this Country was and is correct, Trimble was unable to win the overwhelming trust and confidence of the unionist electorate but that doesn’t make him and others were wrong.

    I read with interest the snappings on here at various UUP candidates – the bottom-line is that the Party has gone some way in this election to rectifying its gulf of youthful candidates – at my count, the Party has 5 young men aged mid twenties – mid thirties.

    Whether they happen to come from the immediate area to which they are standing is largely, irrelevant. Talent and ability to relate to people are the most important attributes for anyone aspiring to be a political representative. As a young voter I take heart that the UUP have moved somewhat but they still have challenges in attracting female candidates which cannot go without addressing.

  • middle-class taig

    Very interesting indeed. A terrifying insight into just how narrow is the vision of these people, but fascinating from a psephological perspective.

    Stunning that, at a time when all the big beasts of unionism are in the DUP, the first sentence is abou the UUP’s legacy. I was at a boxing match when I was a kid, one of the fighters had won most of the first 10 or 12 rounds, but was flaggin badly late in the 15th. His opponent obviously had to go for the knockout, and had the guy pinned in the corner for almost all of the last minute. As it came down into the last 20 seconds, if he’d let the guy fall over, he’d have taken it, but he kept hitting him, and hitting him again, and basically kept him upright against the corner. To my mind, that’s what the DUP is doing with the UUP.

    So what does this tell us:

    – It tells us that (inexplicably) the DUP really are concerned about the UUP in this election. Maybe it’s on a constituency by constituency basis. That can only be out of a fear of people returning to the UUP having lent the DUP their votes in the past.

    – It also tells us that the DUP fears losing votes to the unionist dissidents. This PEB was aimed at the basest of the base. Unless I’m mistaken, it was all figures of the ancien regime; no Jeffrey, no Arlene.

    – It tells us that the DUP fear low unionist turnout. Vote DUP or Gerry Kelly will come in the night dressed as a policeman and eat your babies.

    – It tells us that the DUP have no interest in young voters. It’s looking for high turnout from old, embittered loyalists.

    – It tells us that the DUP is not pursuing new votes. It is happy to keep the votes it has and avoid leaching to the UUP and McCartneyites. This is not acquisition marketing!

    – It also tells us that the DUP is utterly disinterested in transfers. Please god may it hurt them in a couple of last-seat-races.

    – It tells us that the DUP believes unionist voters to be more readily motivated by stoking their hatred of republicans than by any positive message. The provie bogeyman (whether in the form of Gerry Kelly or whoever else) is to remain a feature of Irish politics for the foreseeable future.

    – It tells us that the DUP is not asking voters for a mandate for effective government through participative cross-community democracy; it asks instead for help in builing a wall to keep the republican hordes out.

    Poor. Weakest of the four so far.

    Sammy Morse

    “It’s a good message for their target audience, although the production values are the poorest of the four we’ve seen so far. Especially that glam rock guitar background – absolute and total shite.”

    Couldn’t agree more with your second sentence, but disagree with your first, to a degree. It’s a good message for their base. However, shouldn’t a party in such a position of dominance be broadening and deepening its target audience, rather than mollifying their base.

    My overriding feeling was that the leadership of the DUP are consumed with two destructive and very emotional responses:

    (a) fear – fear of Sinn Fein, fear of change, fear of power-sharing, fear of equality, fear of consensus; and

    (b) a crushing inferiority complex – socially towards the UUP, politically towards SF, ideologically towards McCartney, etc.

    I was also stunned at the poor individual performaces. Stiff, wooden, clunky. I cannot help feeling that the only one of them with any political talent whatsoever, the only one who might have a political career in any other country, is Peter Robinson. As a republican, I sometimes fear the strength of the DUP front bench. On this showing, I needn’t worry.

  • slug

    Tell it like it is

    “The DUP are in tatters, having done everything in his life along the premise of, dividing and conquering Paisley is now sitting very uncomfortably.

    Ulster Unionists have undoubtedly made mistakes but their vision for this Country was and is correct, Trimble was unable to win the overwhelming trust and confidence of the unionist electorate but that doesn’t make him and others were wrong.

    I read with interest the snappings on here at various UUP candidates – the bottom-line is that the Party has gone some way in this election to rectifying its gulf of youthful candidates – at my count, the Party has 5 young men aged mid twenties – mid thirties.

    Whether they happen to come from the immediate area to which they are standing is largely, irrelevant. Talent and ability to relate to people are the most important attributes for anyone aspiring to be a political representative. As a young voter I take heart that the UUP have moved somewhat but they still have challenges in attracting female candidates which cannot go without addressing. ”

    I agree that some of the new candidates are good, particilarly Kenny Donaldson. I would also agree that it would have been good to see more female candidates and thats something I think that needs to be worked on for the future.

  • MCT,

    I have to disagree here. The DUP’s problem in this election is that they’ve now done even more than Trimble has (Martin McGuinness not as Minister of Education, but as Deputy First Minister).

    They need to emphasise the difference between the deal Trimble signed up to in 1998 and the deal Paisley signed up to last year. The DUP line is, we might be letting the Shinners into government but we got rid of the IRA and we got the Shinners to accept the police in the process. That’s the DUP’s crowning achievement of the past four years (at least from their point of view), and it’s the unique selling point they have to keep hammering home – “only the DUP got rid of the IRA”.

    Similarly, what you interpret as an inferiority complex vis a vis the UUP is simply them setting out their distinctinveness – i.e. Adams got Trimble to roll over and let him tickle his belly; we got Adams to roll about on the ground to get the IRA to disband.

    Given that the DUP have committed what was, until recently, their ulimate heresy, they must be worried about losing their base. Just like Sinn Féin.

    The new voters who came over from the UUP have got as much of a ‘fair deal’ as they are ever going to get. They have no reason to move back. The people who the DUP must worry about in this election are the people who thought that they really would never do a deal with the Shinners. When Paisley is being attacked by his own Church you know all is not quiet at home base.

    Just as the Shinners PEB was aimed, in your own memorable words, at Cross, Cappagh and Dunloy, so this one was aimed at the Free Ps, the right-wing intellectual lawyers and the UDA/LVF fellow travellers. In some ways its harder for the DUP to target that market than it is for the Shinners – their hard base isn’t geographically and socially concentrated in the way the Shinners is. Why create the bogeyman of Gerry Kelly as Minister of Justice? Because you’ve created a situation where that might well happen – not this year, but maybe in 10 years. Why have Peter Robinson say “the Belfast Agreement is dead”? Because you know that the Belfast Agreement (Version 1.51) is very much alive.

    On Slugger, we’re all going to hate it because we’re trendy, intellectual, metrosexual types. But we’re not who it’s aimed at.

    Also remember, whatever the mood music, they still made sure to have Paisley say the deal was still on:

    “With satisfactory delivery, peaceful and prosperous days lie ahead.”

    “a better and brighter future of all (really emphasised and stressed) the people of Northern Ireland.”

    The basic production values are shite, and the bit at the end about free buses and constituency offices was pointless, but it wasn’t anything like as bad as people here seem to think, nor as much of a mix of fear and inferiority as you imply.

  • slug

    “With satisfactory delivery, peaceful and prosperous days lie ahead.”

    “a better and brighter future of all (really emphasised and stressed) the people of Northern
    Ireland.”

    Yes, I noticed those, particularly the emphasis on ALL, as being significant and very deliberate.

  • Gary B

    If the PEB is as sincere as the 2005 manifesto, then it won’t mean much to anyone. What was that classic line again? Ah yes :”Inclusive mandatory coalition with Sinn Fein under d’Hondt or any other system is out of the question”. At St Andrews, whilst still bound by that manifesto, they managed to ACCEPT mandatory coalition with Sinn Fein AND d’Hondt! As for the Irish Language Act, what are us boys in North Antrim to do? We haint larnt tae spake English yit sur!

  • darth rumsfeld

    well I had an interesting conversation with my local UUP councillor on Saturday. He says there has been a sea change on the doorsteps, with open contempt for the DUP’s plans. Unfortunatley, he had to agree with me that the dissenters were never going to go back to his party with its track record either- so the winner is either Bob or abstention- probably the latter.

    And here’s one for the DUP kindergarten to sort out .Trimble was always exercised about getting out the vote, especially in the east, and -bizarrely, given the record- was aware that voters who felt deceived by politicians were less likely to vote.Isn’t that going to be a problem times 10 for Paisley?

    Preparing your electorate for sharing power by painting it as the surrender of your putative partners isn’t smart, as they will have ample opportunities to rub your noses in it, and undoubtedly will.

    I think the DUP should remember what I told my canvassor last time- “We’re voting for you to keep Sinn Fein out of government, not to put you in it” . Clearly the party of devolution can’t see that it may be a spider’sweb that ensnares them.

  • Free Agent

    Deliver some actual results on bread and butter issues for a change, you bunch of work shy fops.