Embarrassment for McNarry…

HAS David McNarry of the UUP been badly caught out by the DUP’s Iris Robinson? If the DUP website is anything to go by, a speech by McNarry on Monday appears to bear a “startling similarity” to one delivered by Iris in Westminster on 19th April 2006. It’s barely over a year since McNarry was accused of applying for a job on the Parades Commission, a body he claimed he actually wanted rid of (noted in my post which rightly hinted at future rows over appointments to the commission). I don’t think I’ve seen such a blatant example of textbook copying since the SDLP shamelessly plagiarised Alliance’s economic policy in an election manifesto a few years back…

  • willis

    Is he a Fool or a Knave?

    My money is on fool. It has the look of a cock-up about it.

    Still if you can’t be bothered to update a speech that was obviously written a year before…..

  • Sceptic

    Or maybe its the fact that they were both writing a speech from the same collection of facts! Oh and Iris wasn’t even at that assembly debate? She deemed an internal party row more important than the fishing trade in her constituency, priorities, priorities virus!

  • impartialreporter

    “I don’t think I’ve seen such a blatant example of textbook copying since the SDLP shamelessly plagiarised Alliance’s economic policy in an election manifesto a few years back…”

    Or since the Alliance Party stole the UUP policy on the braindrain…

  • BG-

    “I don’t think I’ve seen such a blatant example of textbook copying since the SDLP shamelessly plagiarised Alliance’s economic policy in an election manifesto a few years back…”

    If your assertion were true, presumably such an act would have been done simply in order to bring the policy to a wider audience, an audience that would actually listen 😉

  • joeCanuck

    “Is he a Fool or a Knave?”

    The terms are not mutually exclusive.
    I would go with “foolish knave”

  • Bang goes rhe fishing vote for McNarry However I suspect his admission (he’s UUP Education Spokesman) that:
    “We have to remain open about a non-selective system too. All things need to be on the table.”
    Will cost him more votes in Strangford than this

  • The knave

    “Bang goes rhe fishing vote for McNarry”

    I hardly think so, he attended the debate and spoke eloquently for the fishing community, what exactly has Bob Little done other than pose with David Liddington? Besides former fisher man Angus Carson is running and will attract a fishing vote from the peninsula because he a big part of the community in Portavogie and has an expert knowledge and a passion for the fishing industry which no other candidates do.

  • SuperSoupy

    Anyone denying this clearly hasn’t read the links. He (or an assistant) clearly stole chunks word for word without bothering to alter to reflect a new year and new statistics.

    Excellent take down by Iris (or the DUP press office).

    He comes out of this looking an utter fool.

  • The real mystery – pace Joe Biden cribbing someone as verbose as Kinnock – is, why filch the speech of a notoriously poor speaker? What odds the researcher responsible being a relation?

  • greenhorse

    “What odds the researcher responsible being a relation?”

    Very slim, this is the UUP not the DUP we are talking about and none of McNarrys family are involved in politics, they all have real jobs.

  • Warm Storage

    “Bang goes rhe fishing vote for McNarry”

    I hardly think so, he attended the debate and spoke eloquently for the fishing community, what exactly has Bob Little done other than pose with David Liddington? Besides former fisher man Angus Carson is running and will attract a fishing vote from the peninsula because he a big part of the community in Portavogie and has an expert knowledge and a passion for the fishing industry which no other candidates do.

  • Warm Storage

    Anyone denying this clearly hasn’t read the links. He (or an assistant) clearly stole chunks word for word without bothering to alter to reflect a new year and new statistics.

    Excellent take down by Iris (or the DUP press office).

    He comes out of this looking an utter fool.

  • The knave

    “Excellent take down by Iris (or the DUP press office).

    He comes out of this looking an utter fool. ”

    Aye DUP press office, just keep repeating this mantra and you might convince yourself.

    The DUP are a complete mess at the minute, MLA resigning, Arlene Foster screwing up in her local press, £20k fines for members who won’t toe the line, councillors refusing to canvass for the party, Iris making a fool of herself over integrated education and the party leader looking like a fool on Hearts and Minds.

    Hiding behind a non story like this is pathetic.

  • SuperSoupy

    Knave,

    I am not anything to do with the DUP, I am politically opposite to them.

    but.. the article on the DUP website was a fantastic piece of work, its compare and contrast demonstrated beyond argument that McNarry plagarised Iris’ speech in the most amateurish fashion.

    Your ridiculous attempt at deflection and denial is almost as silly as the original gaff by McNarry. 0 out of 10.

  • The Knave

    Ah yes but posting exactly the same comment as someone else isn’t? Your attempts at deflection stick out like a sore thumb.

  • Warm Storage

    No, Knave, that was actually me posting the same comment as someone else. Was just trying to be smart. Much like David McNarry, I couldn’t really be bothered to exhibit any original thought or make the effort to speak to the issue in my own words. Thought I’d pinch others’ comments and pass them off as my own. Very de rigeur in some circles these days.

    So it was silly then? :o)

  • The Knave

    It would have been silly if thats what he had done 😉

  • SuperSoupy

    Can’t put it any clearer than the DUP did:

    1. IRIS ROBINSON – April 2006
    “The bottom line is that we should not be arguing about the creation of a tie-up scheme, which is open only to a fraction of vessels, and we should not be scrambling around attempting to secure transitional aid. Instead we should have a Minister…committed to fighting the corner for the local industry….”
    DAVID McNARRY – February 2001
    “The bottom line is that Members should not be arguing about the creation of a tie-up scheme that is open only to a fraction of vessels, and we should not be scrambling around attempting to secure transitional aid. Instead we must have a Minister…who is committed to fighting the corner for the local industry…”

    2. IRIS ROBINSON – April 2006
    “Given the precarious state of the industry, I cannot emphasise sufficiently how crucial it is that fishermen, sellers, processors and the fisheries division of DARD work hand in hand, striving to create a sustainable and viable fishing industry”
    DAVID McNARRY – February 2007
    “Given the precarious state of the industry, it is crucial that fishermen, sellers, processors and the fisheries division of DARD work hand in hand to create a sustainable and viable fishing industry.”

    3. IRIS ROBINSON – April 2007
    “We need more effective science, more effective processing of information and more effective interpretation of results. To continue on the current course will lead only to the destruction of the local fishing fleet, which will have a colossal impact on the lives of those villages and communities that have for so long been bound together by the industry.”
    DAVID McNARRY – February 2007
    “More effective science, information processing and results interpretation are required. However, to continue on the present course will lead to the destruction of the local fishing fleet. That will have a colossal impact upon the villages and communities…which are bound together by the industry.”

    4. IRIS ROBINSON – April 2006
    “As for the tie-up scheme, suffice to say that DARD owes the industry an apology for being so wide of the mark in its interpretation of the legislation…”
    DAVID McNARRY – February 2007
    “It is not reasonable that DARD should apologise for its interpretation of the legislation on the tie-up aid scheme. Can it not be argued that DARD’s interpretation was wide of the mark?”

    5. IRIS ROBINSON – April 2006
    “We are informed that the decision to refuse aid was based on the fact that the scheme does not provide value for money. If that was the case, why was the scheme operated during 2004 and 2005. If it was value for money in those two years, what has changed in 2006?”
    DAVID McNARRY – February 2007
    “Members have been informed that the decision to refuse aid was based on the fact that the scheme does not provide value for money. If that was the case, why was it being operated in 2004 and 2005? If it provided value for money in those two years, what has changed in 2006?”

  • SuperSoupy

    continues..

    6. IRIS ROBINSON – April 2006
    “An associated issue is the barring of prawn boats from fishing the area closed as part of the cod fishery closure.”
    DAVID McNARRY – February 2007
    “An associated issue is the barring of prawn boats from fishing the area that has been closed as part of the cod fishery closure.”

    7. IRIS ROBINSON – April 2006
    “The EU Commission has stated that additional recovery measures are needed only where there is biological urgency, but where is the biological urgency in the Irish Sea, where science shows that stocks are nowhere near as bad as assumed? Without a grain of evidence to justify the closure of the cod fishery, DARD scientists now tell us that without any substantial evidence they hold out little hope of the scheme…ever being lifted.”
    DAVID McNARRY – February 2007
    “The EU Commission has stated that additional recovery measures are needed only where there is biological urgency. Our fishermen may ask where the biological urgency is in the Irish Sea, where the science shows that stocks are nowhere near as low as assumed…DARD scientists – without a grain of evidence to justify the closure of the cod fishery – now say that they hold out little hope of the scheme ever being lifted.”

    8. IRIS ROBINSON – April 2006
    “The cod recovery scheme was implemented six years ago on the basis that it would last for three years. The measures have been repeated each year since and were extended when the Scottish Executive imposed a closure in the North Channel that was targeted at Northern Ireland trawlers.”
    DAVID McNARRY – February 2007
    “The cod recovery scheme was implemented six years ago on the basis that it would last for three years. The measures have been repeated each year since and were extended when the Scottish Executive…imposed a closure in the North Channel that targeted Northern Ireland trawlers.”

    9. IRIS ROBINSON – April 2006
    “In 1993, 213 commercial fishing vessels were registered in the Northern Ireland fishing fleet, but by this year the figure had fallen to a staggering 130…In Portavogie, where there were once more than 100 boats in the fleet, there are now just 40. Between 1999 and 2003, the average profit before depreciation of a Northern Ireland based white fish trawler fell by 76% to just £10,400. Since 2003, fishermen have had to deal with other factors, such as the huge rises in the cost of fuel oil and the cost of leasing quota, and income will have fallen further still.”
    DAVID McNARRY – February 2007
    “In 1993, 213 commercial fishing vessels were registered Northern Ireland. This has fallen to a staggering 130. In Portavogie, where there were once 100 boats, there are now just 40… Between 1999 and 2003, the average profit before depreciation of a Northern Ireland based white fish trawler fell by 76% to earnings of only £10,400. Since 2003, fishermen have had to deal with other factors, such as the huge rises in the cost of fuel oil and the cost of leasing quota, with an income that is falling daily.”

    10. IRIS ROBINSON – April 2006
    “The Northern Ireland fishing fleet is a shadow of its former self and hundreds of jobs have been lost…factories and businesses have disappeared.”
    DAVID McNARRY – February 2007
    “The Northern Ireland fishing fleet is a shadow of its former self. Hundreds of jobs have been lost; factories and businesses have disappeared…”

    11. IRIS ROBINSON – April 2006
    “Six years on from the introduction of the cod recovery scheme and the closure of the Irish Sea cod fishery, fisheries scientists are unable to tell us in Northern Ireland whether it has had any affect whatever on cod stocks in the Irish Sea.”
    DAVID McNARRY – February 2007
    “Six years on from the introduction of the cod recovery scheme and the closure of the Irish Sea…scientists are unable to tell us whether it has worked and whether cod stocks are recovering.”

    Why do I have the word ‘arsehole’ floating around my head?

  • Dr Strangelove

    SS – why repost in full what is linked to above.. do you think we are all that lazy ?

  • The Knafe

    Because he is freaking out at being challenged..

  • SuperSoupy

    Dr,

    Because the only logic I could see for Knave’s posting was he wouldn’t or couldn’t read the link.

  • wee ulsterman

    Hehe, personally I think it’s hilarious that with the DUPs political universe collapsing around them, MLA resignations, councillors defecting, totally divided on the March 26th deadline…. yet some wee pinstriped twerp in the dup press office think this non-story is worthy of a news release!

    How about lettin’ us know whether you’re going into government or not, you know, the big issue of the day, instead of putting out this he-said-she-said rubbish??

    But then the DUP’s press office isn’t what it was, their party grassroots want their heads on poles for what they’ve done – basically moved over from the uup and tried to take over the DUP. No wonder their traditionalist members – who’ve been in the party for 30 years rather than 3 years! – dont trust their press office to speak for them, so much so that they have to be threatened with £20,000 fines!

  • Come on now, wee ulsterman et al, we’re all too busy laughing at McNarry for being caught out in a spectacular fashion. We can laugh at the Bright Young Dundela Things in the future.

    And to think this is the man who could have been leading the UUP.

    Reminds me of the senior Orangeman who once blatantly plagiarised a pamphlet by a Canadian brother.

  • “I don’t think I’ve seen such a blatant example of textbook copying since the SDLP shamelessly plagiarised Alliance’s economic policy in an election manifesto a few years back…”

    How about Big Ian turning turtle?

  • darth rumsfeld

    the truly terrifying thing is that Unionists in Strangford have to choose between McNasty and the Stepford wife- and even then there is no way that Mr. Angry could be the sane choice of any thinking Unionist. It’s likely to be the DUP’s saving grace in many a constituency, but what’s a true blue to do in Mid Ulster- vote for a McCrea or Billy the potato? Patsy McGlone might be the least damaging for the Union

  • willis

    Darth

    Don’t forget these are Assembly elections, plenty of room in the big tent!

  • Eddie

    Earlier, I sort of defended McNarry when he was called a buffoon, because, in any Iris Robinson v McNarry contest I regard him as the least worst. Can’t defend him now – but at least he wouldn’t refuse to visit an integrated school – as Her Ladyship did. Pity news of McNarry’s blunder broke around the same time, thereby limiting the exposure of Robinson’s appalling behaviour.

  • pith

    If true this is astonishing. Did Iris Robinson really make a speech?

  • willis

    Tell me more Eddie, Is Isis really a priest?

  • IJP

    impartialreporter

    Alliance Party policy, as evidences from public comment, on the brain drain differ significantly from the Ulster Unionists.

    Whereas the latter focus on the brain drain at 18 (focusing on lack of university places in NI as the main problem), Alliance focuses on the brain drain at 21-22 (focusing on the lack of appropriate professional careers in NI as the main problem, while actually unworried by NI people going out into the world and finding themselves).

    So, if anyone “stole” the policy, they didn’t get away with much!

  • IJP

    I’ll try that first line again:

    Alliance Party policy, as evidenced from public comment on the brain drain, differs significantly from the Ulster Unionists.

  • willis

    Eddie

    http://www.belfasttoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=3425&ArticleID=2032917

    Well Well

    “The vast majority of the people in Northern Ireland also appear to favour integrated education with a recent survey showing that 81 per cent of the population believe it is an important part of peace and reconciliation in the Province.
    Mrs Robinson says she doesn’t believe that educating Protestants and Catholics alongside each other is the way forward.”

    That would also but her at odds with Dodds who has said there should be one system.

    I wonder what Fair Deal’s take on this fissure is?