Sanchez suggests Celtic Nations Championship

Northern Ireland manager Lawrie Sanchez has floated the idea of a Celtic Nations Championship, involving Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and the Republic of Ireland to replace friendly internationals during the season. He’d love England too but doesn’t think they are too pushed on the idea of reviving the old Home Nations tournament so that just leaves the Celtic option.
“There’s a lot in it for us, for Wales and Scotland, but not a lot in it for England,” said the Northern Ireland manager. “It would be much more beneficial than playing non-interesting friendlies.”

Sanchez feels that England would be on a hiding to nothing taking part in a resurrected Home Nations Championship if their most recent defeat to Northern Ireland is to go by.

“Every England manager would have that fear for all three games and I can see why England are not as interested as the other three countries,” he said. “You have to remember that England have to make big commercial decisions – every game is worth a lot of money and perhaps playing Northern Ireland would not be financially great.”

So who better to replace England than the Republic of Ireland and calling the event the Celtic Nations Championship?

Football365.com reports that England manager Steve McClaren isn’t that cold on the idea of reviving the Home Nations tournament but he feels the Premiership clubs won’t buy it.

“It’s a very interesting concept and one we’d all be in favour of, the public definitely would be,” he said.

“In the current climate of football I don’t think the managers would be too pleased because it’s never a friendly between the home nations and you might pick up a few injuries.”

Northern Ireland fans on Our Wee Country have their own views on the matter.

  • Secur O’Crat

    Belfast Exile: Great clip (of course). The tragedy of George Best, one of them anyway, was he played for NI and not a respectable team like England, FGR or Brazil.
    Maybe every football post should contain a youtube memory lane link.

    Hope they like this one on the Shankill/Woodvale

  • Dec

    1. The FAI are exploiting a loop hole which appeared when FIFA tried to stop Brazillian players turning out for QAtar.

    Adrec

    This is just untrue. FIFA specifically introduced guidelines in 2003 to allow players to change associations (under certain conditions). The reasoning was that players were making choices at a young age (14-16), the ramifications of which they then to live with for the rest of their career. The IFA have also used these guidelines, the case of Brian McLean being a notable example, though I notice you haven’t mentioned this let alone accuse Lawrie Sanchez of being a beggar.

  • Realist

    “Realsit: I am surprised you take your marching orders from 14 year old thugs on the Shankill Road. Tyat is why no civilised people want anything to do with the Windstor Park crowd. They are at the evel of 14 year old Shankill Road bottom feeders. Any word on the Woodvale park rape yet?”

    Secur O’Crat,

    What a sad individual you are.

    I take “marching orders” from no man, and am prepared to roll up my sleeves and deal with sectarianism and it effects on football here at the coalface – that means talking with people who may be tempted to engage in such activity.

    Your insinuation that anyone who goes to watch Northern Ireland at Windsor Park is not civilsed, says a lot about you.

    Regarding your odious comment about the rape in Woodvale Park, I understand that two 13 year olds have been arrested.

    Pathetic unpleasantry on your part.

  • Realist

    George,

    Thank you for your reply.

    “You may find this hard to believe but my experience is that problems with the Northern Ireland team and everything perceived to be associated with it entered the Republic of Ireland football fan psyche in November 1993 and has been a problem ever since”

    I do believe it, and understand why that may be the case.

    There were many factors that made that particular game “red hot”, not least the political climate at the time, and the disparaging comments of one Jack Charlton before the game – did he honestly expect us to roll over and habve our bellies tickled?

    We can go into those factors if you like, but it must be understood that in the psyche of many Northern Ireland fans, any game against the ROI will be treated as a “derby” match – no quarter asked, nor none given.

    I fully understand that ROI fans may not feel the same intensity about such a fixture.

    “One represents a club, the other supposedly represents a nation. You can’t compare the two unless you are saying Northern Ireland is not a national team”

    Sectarianism is sectarianism. No running away from it. It is absolutely wrong and inexcuseable, whether it comes from Northern Ireland fans, Celtic fans or any other fans – whether club or country.

    Should Northern Ireland ever play the ROI again at Windsor Park, I would expect there to be an equally intense atmosphere against our nearest rivals, minus the sectarianism that surfaced in 1993.

    Rivalry is healthy. Sectarianism is totally unacceptable.

  • Realist

    Dec,

    “I notice you haven’t mentioned this let alone accuse Lawrie Sanchez of being a beggar”

    You can call Lawrie and the IFA “Beggars” until your heart is content.

    I promise that no Northern Ireland fan I know will get worked up into a frenzy of MOPEery about it.

    You should be quite proud – Wor Jackie set the standard with his Anglo Irish sides…we followed! 🙂

  • Dec

    Realist

    Straw man arguments aren’t really intelligent arguments, are they. Try saying something relevant to my post next time, eh?

  • Realist

    “Try saying something relevant to my post next time, eh?”

    OK then – the IFA messed up real bad over Brian McLean 🙂

  • Dec

    Realist

    Well done.

    Wor Jackie set the standard with his Anglo Irish sides

    Hmm, Chris Nicholl?

  • Secur O’Crat

    Realist: I see you excuse the sectarianism because Jack Charlton “may” have said something. Loyalists always seem to excuse their thuggery. The sectarian problems of the Shankill run a lot deeper than one biagot trying to straighten out another and there are no excuses for these people. I hope the people caught the right two 13 year old rapists and I hope they get to serve their time, if guilty, in an adult jail. NI could win the World Cup or besat England and the RoI and few would give a flying fuck.
    You have also mentioned Shamrock Rovers as having a thug fan base. They haven’t even a ground, evidence of their social standing. If Combat 18 want recruits in Ireland, Windsor not Dalymount is the place to go. Also, who was the Loyalist met Ms MOwlan with the White Power tatt? Was he a Windsor or Dalymount man?
    Back to the thread and a reality check. Liverpool drew Barca, Chelsea drew Porto. And the Irish teams drew (water)??
    I could understand English people getting worked up over football as they have a team. But the two Ronnies Irelands….

  • Realist

    Dec,

    “Well done”

    Disappointing altogether – the IFA should have begged harder on that one.

    “Hmm, Chris Nicholl?”

    Jimmy “The Canadian” Nicholl’s cousin.

    Love this entry in Wikipedia about Wor Jackie.

    “He approached players with even tentative Irish links to hook up with the Republic after uncovering Irish ancestry – the Oxford United pairing of John Aldridge and Ray Houghton, both of whom would later become great players for Liverpool, were among them with their great-grandmother and father, respectively being Irish.”

    At least Chris would have recognised the “home” National Anthem at Windsor Park – him being English and all 🙂

  • Realist

    Secur O’Crat,

    “I see you excuse the sectarianism because Jack Charlton “may” have said something”

    No, I didn’t “excuse” it. Stop telling fibs.

    charlton’s pre match comments are a matter of public record – go search for them yourself.

    “The sectarian problems of the Shankill run a lot deeper than one biagot trying to straighten out another and there are no excuses for these people”

    Are you insinuating that I am a b igot? If so, please explain yourself.

    Sectarian problems and thuggery are not confined to the Shankill (I’m not from the Shankill by the way) or Loyalism – I’m sure you are aware of that.

    “I hope the people caught the right two 13 year old rapists and I hope they get to serve their time, if guilty, in an adult jail”

    I hope the people caught the right two 13 year olds too, and that they serve whatever punishment is due to them under legislation.

    In case you were unaware – rape is not only confined to Woodvale Park.

    “NI could win the World Cup or besat England and the RoI and few would give a flying fuck.”

    Very good.

    “You have also mentioned Shamrock Rovers as having a thug fan base. They haven’t even a ground, evidence of their social standing”

    I know they haven’t a ground at present, but what’s your point?

    “If Combat 18 want recruits in Ireland, Windsor not Dalymount is the place to go”

    Really? Why’s that then?

    “Also, who was the Loyalist met Ms MOwlan with the White Power tatt? Was he a Windsor or Dalymount man?”

    I don’t know – who was it?

    Many loyalists support England.

    “I could understand English people getting worked up over football as they have a team.”

    A team we beat just over a year ago. Some of them did get quite “worked up” about it. 🙂

  • big tom

    Strange that 6 county football fans find it amusing when talking about Jack Charlton’s recruitment of players.

    Maik Taylor, the current n.i goalkeeper has no linkage with any part of this island.

    No parent, grandparent or great grandparent connection to the country.

    Is it true he qualifies because he once visited the Giant’s Causway as a child ??

  • davey

    Some talk of racism on this thread.

    Perhaps Ulster Rugby would be a better focus for discussion on racism in sport.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/my_club/london_irish/6185015.stm

    I’m pretty this isn’t the first instance of racism at Ravenhill.

  • Realist

    “Is it true he qualifies because he once visited the Giant’s Causway as a child ??”

    Nothing as complicated as that big tom – rumour has it he once had a pint with “Big Cass”, who give him some tips 🙂

    PS. New book out in time for the Christmas stocking of any hooligan minded Celtic fans.

    Celtic Soccer Crew is written by “career hooligan”, John O’Kane, published by Pennant Books – costs only £10.99.

    Mr O’Kane gives a “frank” anmd “disturbing” account of his involvement in soccer related violence and the organised violence of the hooligan firm that calls itself the Celtic Soccer Crew.

    Mr O’Kane has accumulated 33 criminal convictions for football related violence, including orchastrating pub brawls and organised street fights with rival fans at home and abroad.

    I take it the book is fiction?

  • BP1078

    I’m pretty this isn’t the first instance of racism at Ravenhill.

    You may well be pretty davey, difficult to tell on the internet…but nevertheless it’s an interesting report you’ve linked into.

    In response, Ulster chief executive Mike Reid said that his side had “an unblemished record in relation to racial issues”.

    What evidence do you have to the contrary?

  • big tom

    realist

    Don’t have any interest in Scottish sport but its clear that sectarianism is a big problem in Scotland.

    Especially when bigots from Larne and Rangers get together.

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_20050529/ai_n14646192

  • DG

    Don’t have any interest in Scottish sport but its clear that sectarianism is a big problem in Scotland.

    Especially when unpleasant from Larne and Rangers get together

    or when Celtic players visit Donegal
    http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_20060108/ai_n15993243

    Kick all sectarianism and the Old Firm out of soccer NOW!!!

  • Secur O’Crat

    Realist

    Sam McCrory was the Loyalist Mo Mowlan met who had the White Power tatt. Loyalism/Unionism and racism are the same.
    My point about Shamrock Rovers is that hooliganism/racism is all but non existent in Southern soccer because there is no tradition and Southern soccer is a non entity. Irish people pay to go to Gaelic matches, not to domestic soccer.
    I am aware that the Shankill is not the only centre of Loyalism/thuggery in the North.
    Combat 18 have long been active among Northern Unionists/Loyalists, many of whom would be no strangers to Windsor Park and similar hate centres.
    Slagging off Jack Charlton shows your parochial mindset imho. I am happy to see both Irish soccer teams, the Southern one in particular, do badly.
    The English team might rise again. Your “Norn Iron” (what a sad name that) team will never cut it.
    On a friendlier note: Celtic or Rangers today? Now, which one would I imagine you and the randy Woodvale wee wuns support? Glad you were able to buy a book about Celtic thuggery? I bet that will sell well in Woodvale. Old Firm, my arse.

  • macers

    The IFA have had some success in stamping out ‘some’ of the sectarianism at Windsor Park, the association however cannot be responsible for the continued sectarian singing by fans as was witnessed over in Cardiff last year.

    Similar scenes in Copenhagen this year with uvf songs and other party tunes.

    Business as usual for the football b.i.g.o.t.s

  • Secur O’Crat

    Macers: I played your video and then it asked if I wanted to play the above, whuch alos mixes the NI soccer team and wasting Catholics.
    Celtic are currently winning the “Old Firm” clash.

    Who wants these drunken louts? Nobody except Mr Sanchez.

  • Realist

    Secur O’Crat,

    “Sam McCrory was the Loyalist Mo Mowlan met who had the White Power tatt”

    I haven’t a clue who Mr McCrory supports, and find his support for any white supremacist group as disgusting.

    “Loyalism/Unionism and racism are the same”

    So, if I am a unionist, I am therefore a racist?

    “My point about Shamrock Rovers is that hooliganism/racism is all but non existent in Southern soccer”

    Hooliganism at football in the Irish Republic is on the increase. You choose to ignore reality.

    “Irish people pay to go to Gaelic matches, not to domestic soccer”

    Ahh – Gaelic matches, run by the exclusive GAA.

    I know plenty of “Irish people” who go to “domestic soccer”.

    Your assertion, therefore, is completely wrong.

    “I am aware that the Shankill is not the only centre of Loyalism/thuggery in the North.”

    Are you asserting that “thuggery” is the sole domain of “loyalism” in Northern Ireland?

    Such delusion!

    “Your “Norn Iron” (what a sad name that) team will never cut it”

    Depends on how one defines “cut it” – I would suggest that most “Norn Iron” (what a great name that is) fans at present would feel our team is cutting it quite nicely, thanks very much.

    “Now, which one would I imagine you and the randy Woodvale wee wuns support?”

    Why do you refer to the youth of the Woodvale as “randy”?

    I don’t have any love for either Rangers or Celtic. I support “domestic” football.

    I couldn’t care less who wins the Glasgow unpleasantry fest.

    “Glad you were able to buy a book about Celtic thuggery?”

    Where did I say I had bought it?

    I read a book review on it in yesterday’s Irish News.

  • Realist

    “Similar scenes in Copenhagen this year with uvf songs and other party tunes”

    maccers,

    Did you pull that Wales video of OWC? 🙂

    Talking of Copenhagen, have you any evidence of these “Uvf songs”?

    Once you do, I’ll give you some evidence of the “Up the Ra” bash held in Rosie McGee’s bar for Celtic fans in Copenhagen less than a fortnight ago, featuring those great rebel rousers Shebeen.

    A few wee PIRA numbers belted out at that little gig by the GFITW.

    And, what’s with this “Soon there will be no Prods at all” business that some of the angelic Bhoys like to chant?

  • Secur O’Crat

    Realist
    I would imagine Mr McCrory supports the team featured above. Do your “domestic” supporters give Nazi salutes as well?
    You should acknowledge your background. As regards Shamrock Rovers type red herrings, they have no traction, In the early 1970s, they used to cut it a little returning from Milltown but there is no support for domestic soccer in the South. Just look at teams like Dundalk, Limerick etc. And Rovers. They are an organisational joke. Even Shels seem to have trouble.
    The GAA should never have allowed those w-s into Croker, the same way the IRFU should not have allowed them into Landsdowne. Slag off Gaelic all you want but they pack the punters in and there is no granny rule.
    Speaking of which, Everton are one up against Chelsea. English soccer has traction. Sanchez should go back to his day job. No traction for his silly, self serving pipe dream.
    As regards Jack Charlton, he did sort Liam Brady and a few other tossers out. Give him credit for that. In the Real Ireland, Charlton notwithstanding, GAA rules.
    Even at the level you deal with, would you imagine there are more GAA tops than FAIclub tops being worn? How about FAI versus EPL in the South? You see Realist, though it is good you like soccer, few others care about the domestic set up? No disrespect to Linfield etc but I doubt they are in any great shape. Shels by the Lagan. With a big dose of Glasgow Billy Boys added of course.
    I looked at some of the NI supporters’ videos. Goals etc apart, they are a pathetic bunch, compared to Southerners or England, both of whom have a culture to draw on.
    S-t, Chelsea just equalised:(

  • ballyna

    The Cardiff video shows that sectarian fans are still well represented within the n.i fan base.

    Or perhaps it’s its just the ‘ulster cracksters’ having a bit of harmless fun !!

  • Realist

    “Who wants these drunken louts?”

    Secur O’Crat,

    They’d be quite at home on a GFITW trip to the highlands.

    http://sport.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1587672006

    “I would imagine Mr McCrory supports the team featured above.”

    He’s welcome to them.

    “Do your “domestic” supporters give Nazi salutes as well?”

    I have witnessed such “salutes” in domestic club football, yes.

    The perpetrators claim, of course, that they are not Nazi salutes, but some kingd of “red hand” salute.

    Looks pretty Naziesque to me tho.

    Of more concern to you should be the nazi salutes at the recent Irish Republic v Israel fixture in Dublin.

    “there is no support for domestic soccer in the South”

    Don’t be silly.

    “Sanchez should go back to his day job”

    He will be off to a full time club job in England shortly.

    “would you imagine there are more GAA tops than FAIclub tops being worn?”

    Certainly more GAA tops, but in many parts of the Irish Republic the shirts of an SPL and various EPL clubs abound.

    “You see Realist, though it is good you like soccer, few others care about the domestic set up?”

    Boards like foot.ie and the Irish League Forums would suggest that there is plenty of interest in domestic football.

    Not all of us seek the glamour of watching overpaid prima donnas strutting their stuff for EPL clubs.

    “No disrespect to Linfield etc but I doubt they are in any great shape”

    To the best of my knowledge, they are in pretty decent shape financially.

    They also sit on a very valuable asset.

    If/When an All Ireland league arises, Linfield Football Club will have the resource to compete with the best on the island.

    “looked at some of the NI supporters’ videos. Goals etc apart, they are a pathetic bunch, compared to Southerners or England, both of whom have a culture to draw on”

    Why do you describe Northern Ireland fans as a “pathetic bunch”, and what “culture” have Southerners and England to draw on that sets them apart?

  • Realist

    “The Cardiff video shows that sectarian fans are still well represented within the n.i fan base.”

    ballyna,

    I would have thought that the singing of an Irish historical song, celebrating a culture represented on the flag of the Irish Republic, and a people who many wish to be “united” with, would have met with approval from those of a republican hue? No?

  • Secur O’Crat

    Realist

    Your “admission” that GAA/EPL/SPL tops dominate proves my point. No interest in FAI at the turnstiles. Though I don’t know the set up in East Belfast, Ireland’s soccer mums vote GAA as that is where the facilities are. The FAI is a joke and if Linfield’s ambitions are limited to competing with the best on the island, God help them. Shels etc were in ok shape but like Linfield and Bohs, they should take the money for their asset and run.
    Schoolboy soccer is all shite and onions. A bunch of Bravehearts trying to corral a herd of Wayne Rooney wannabes.
    Though I agree with you on EPL prima donnas, that is what people want to watch. Now the GAA is to be applauded for not going that route and for putting huge resources back into the game. If Orangies are doing that in East Belfast or Larne etc, fair play to them. And if you are putting your efforts into youth soccer at the schoolboy/girl level, fair play to you too.
    As regards the supposed Nazi salutes at the Israel game, the Israelis out psyched the Paddies and got the result. And fair play to them. AS good result for Israel. And the GAA.
    As regards culture, well, Everton are giving them a run for their money. The cutlrues in these islands are Irish or English. The rest are very much also rans. Just like in soccer.

  • Realist

    Secur O’Crat,

    It is my firm belief that it is possible to have a 12 team “Premier” league on this island, with matches played in front of decent crowds in good facilities.

    It’ll never be the EPL, thank God, but it can be a whole lot better than what we have at present.

    Unfortunately it seems that the FAI as nearly as incompetent as the IFA in the organisation and foresight stakes.

    The ineptitude of our Association regarding domestic football has to be seen to be believed.

    Still, many domestic football fans on this island live in hope of a bigger and brighter future.

    One of the things that I admire about the GAA is their prudence. I also admire the sense of local pride that abounds amongst the GAA fraternity.

    Something football could learn a lot from on this island.

    “As regards culture, well, Everton are giving them a run for their money”

    I think that “dyed in the wool” Chelsea man, Didier Drogba, just put an end to that with a wonder goal! 🙂

  • Realist

    ballyna,

    No need to respond to my 3.27PM.

    I found the answer myself.

    http://sport.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=829&id=1676752006

    The very next game after St Mirren saw the Glasgow branch of the Republican Prisoners’ Action Group organise the distribution of leaflets outside Celtic Park before the match in support of the Republican POWs in Maghaberry Prison.

    Really odd that those who carry green, white and orange flags refer to folk as “orange bastards”.

    They musn’t be much interested in the idea of a “united” Ireland, I suspect.

  • ballyna

    realist

    Seeing as you find the singing of the sash acceptable, perhaps the ifa should adopt the song for their ‘football for all’ campaign.

    I presume you see no wrong in thousands of fans chanting loyalist slogans like ‘no surrender’at games.

    I’m not sure why you directed you post regarding Glasgow Celtic to me?? You would be better asking a supporter of that team to respond.

    Scottish football has a long history of bigotry and intolerance, a bit like the n.i football support.

  • BP1078

    Seeing as you find the singing of the sash acceptable, perhaps the ifa should adopt the song for their ‘football for all’ campaign

    ballyna
    Ever heard of Christy Moore?
    He does a version of The Sash…don’t think he’s a loyalist (or a N.irish supporter come to that).

  • Realist

    ballyna,

    “Seeing as you find the singing of the sash acceptable”

    Could you highlight any post whereby I stated that The Sash is either “acceptable”, or otherwise?

    “perhaps the ifa should adopt the song for their ‘football for all’ campaign”

    Perhaps not – it would be wholly inappropriate in my opinion.

    “I presume you see no wrong in thousands of fans chanting loyalist slogans like ‘no surrender’at games”

    I certainly do see wrong when it is chanted during the National Anthem of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, thus disrespecting and bastardising it.

    “You would be better asking a supporter of that team to respond”

    They never do.

    Outraged when the sectarianism comes from everyone except their own – then they go quiet.

  • Secur O’Crat

    The Scotsman quoted has quite a few comments on the incident at St Mirren Realist refers to. Where is the catholic equivslent of The Billy Boys? Why do Huns give Nazi salutes? Could it have anything to do with their fascist world views?
    As regards a Celtic League etc, dead in the water. It would be far worse than the SPL without hte “Old Firm”. Money should go to GAA and rugby instead. There is no depth in Irish soccer and any half good player would prefer the lower English leagues.

  • Realist

    Secur O’Crat,

    Do keep up.

    “As regards a Celtic League etc, dead in the water. It would be far worse than the SPL without hte “Old Firm”.”

    I haven’t been talking about a Celtic League.

    “Money should go to GAA and rugby instead.”

    🙂

    Facist world view, springs to mind.

    “There is no depth in Irish soccer and any half good player would prefer the lower English leagues”

    At present, there is a grain of truth in your assertion (for once!)

    A full time, professional, 12 team AI league could/would be on a par with at least English League 1.

    “Where is the catholic equivslent of The Billy Boys?”

    It is clear you endorse sectarianism in football.

    “Why do Huns give Nazi salutes? Could it have anything to do with their fascist world views?”

    Maybe a “hun”, or an ROI fan who attended the recent game versus Israel, will be good enough to answer that one.

  • Secur O’Crat

    Realist
    You are not very realistic. There is no prospect of eitehr a Celtic Leagie or a vialbe all Ireland soccer league. Why? Because Ireland is a backwater in soccer.
    The FAI in particular are hopeless and an organisational mess. Money given o the FAI is money wasted. The GAA and IRFU are infinitely better run and, as such, deserve whatever money there is. The FAI atitutude to both Croke Park and Landsdowne has been a disgrace. The IRFU approach to Croke Park was much more professioanl. Nothing fascist about that. The FAI are a bunch of losers who need another Jack Charlton to kick them up the transom.
    Realist: you come from a sectarian, Nazi saluting swamp and cannot see that. I was personally glad Israel won and I thought their victory and out pshyching the Paddies funny. I do not recall any Nazi salutes and if there were, they were failed attwmpts to derail the Israelis.
    The Windsor/Rangers/Linfield rabble are, in contrast, not only ” up to their nacks in Fenian blood” but in right wing groups like Combat 18 and the BNP as well. Not all Protestants think that way but it is a strong strain there and it has ahinterland to exploit. No such hinterland exists in Southern soccer. Look at the big soccer/garrison towns of Waterford, Cork, Limerick and Athlone. None can sustain even one team.
    Ireland will remain an irrelevant backwater for soccer, the efforts of Mr Sanchez to talk himself up notwithstanding. Take up GAA or rugby instead. The rugby guys at least saw their niche and have adopted very very well.

  • Ziz

    That’s it settled then. Protestants are goose-stepping Nazis. Nice.

  • Realist

    Secur O’Crat,

    “There is no prospect of eitehr a Celtic Leagie or a vialbe all Ireland soccer league. Why? Because Ireland is a backwater in soccer.”

    I would disagree. Why? Because hundreds of thousands of football fans live on this island.

    “The FAI in particular are hopeless and an organisational mess”

    You should see ours.

    “The FAI atitutude to both Croke Park and Landsdowne has been a disgrace.”

    In what way?

    “you come from a sectarian, Nazi saluting swamp and cannot see that”

    Would that make me a sectarian, Nazi saluter then?

    “I do not recall any Nazi salutes”

    Were you at the game?

    “The Windsor/Rangers/Linfield rabble are, in contrast, not only “ up to their nacks in Fenian blood” but in right wing groups like Combat 18 and the BNP as well”

    Do you have any evidence to back up your ludicrous assertion?

    Numbers?

    For example, what percentage of Linfield season ticket holders are members of either the BNP or Combat 18?

    Is every single supporter of Linfield Football Club “rabble”?

    Yet another slip that exposes your inherent unpleasantry.

    “Not all Protestants think that way but it is a strong strain there”

    I couldn’t care less about the minute differences of interpretation of ancient writings by slightly differing strands of exactly the same religion.

    I do, however, note your obvious distain of Protestants and Protestantism. More unpleasantry.

    “Take up GAA or rugby instead”

    Played rugby in my younger days, a product of a rugby playing school. Went on to play after school, and enjoyed playing the game very much.

    I’ll join my local GAA Club once the Association has binned all of it’s exclusive political rules, practices and ethos, and does it’s bit to build an “Ireland of Equals”.

    At least rugby has largely been able to divorce exclusive politics from sport – although the IRFU is doing it’s level best to create problems over anthems and flags.

    They even deem playing in my home town, Belfast, an “away” match.

    I’m sure the Shinners are right pissed off to learn that Belfast is not in Ireland – according to the IRFU.

  • Realist

    “That’s it settled then. Protestants are goose-stepping Nazis. Nice.”

    Indeed ziz – Secur O’Crat says down with sectarianism, naziism and facism………..oh, and Protestants!

  • Secur O’Crat

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6190379.stm

    Realist: I thought you would like this one. It seems the Vatican has dreamers too. I already suplied you with links showing the Rangers fans giving Nazi salutes.
    The IRFU have a bit of sense. The FAI are a shower of w-s. They are corwing about Croke Park, deamnding unreasonable access, running to the papers etc. The IRFU, in contrast, do things the professional way. Tony ward complained about Charlton complaining about the state of Landsdowne, a rugby pitch. Now they are up to the same shit about Croker, a GAA pitch.
    I say the FAI are shot. You say the IFA are shit. Abd you expect a silk purse to come from these pig’s ears. At least the Vatican dreamers have prayer on their side.

  • Realist

    Secur O’Crat

    “I thought you would like this one”

    Why would I either like it or dislike it?

    So what?

    You seem rather fascinated by religion – I don’t share your fascination.

    “It seems the Vatican has dreamers too”

    What’s wrong with that?

    “already suplied you with links showing the Rangers fans giving Nazi salutes”

    No links I haven’t seen before.

    I have many other links showing the same thing.

    In fact, I have seen it with my own eyes.

    I wonder also if those who would claim to give not a Nazi salute, but a “red hand” salute, actually understand the history of the “red hand” of Ulster? 🙂

    Your very first post on this thread demonstrated a lack of “fact” on your part, coupled with deep prejudices.

    Nothing I have read from you subsequently has changed my view that you harbour deep routed unpleantries.

    Your broadbrushing comments about kids from the Shankill/Woodvale were nothing short of outrageous and particularly repugnant – They say an lot about you.

    Wild assertions seem to be your trademark.

    As for the FAI spats with the GAA, all very interesting – but if and when the FAI fill Croke Park, I don’t think either party will be complaining.

  • Dr Strangelove

    I heard Sanchez’s punditry on Five Live last night for the fulham v ‘Boro match… it was a 90 minute long job application

  • Secur O’Crat

    Realist

    You sound sad to me. Maybe broaden your horizons. Your comment on the Vatican thing says it all.
    About getting Belgium wrong, a Belgian (black) said it to me and I don’t really worry about it.
    Your comment on Croke Park is laso interesting. The GAA are a professionally run amateur organisation and the FAI are pathetic losers. As someone interested in saport, you should be interested in how these things are professionally run.

    The Vatican thing makes a good story as they have not a hope in hell of forming a good team or a viable club.
    I am also saddened by your casaul dismissal of the Woodvale Park rapists.
    Dr Strangelove: Good post. I feel kind of sorry for Brian Kerr. Though I don’t think he was up to binging glory to the no hopers – unlike Stan:)) – yet I liked him. When I was doing a form of social work in Dublin – helping young scumbags stay out of trouble – he was a good help. Sanchez is probably thinking right but giving 90 minutes of me me me is probably not the best way forward. Pity I missed it as I like a laugh.
    Realist: No hard feelings. I found some of yourpoints interesting. I will have a Mass said for your intentions.
    ps: I watched Falgs, Flutes and Football on Celtic and Rangers, Glasgow etc. Farily predictable stuff but the main Celtic supporter was ace. A young guy about 20, he looked like he had a full church in his bedroom. There was a big Last Supper painting behind him. Anyway, bye for now.