Joyce called up to Ashes squad

Dubliner Ed Joyce has been called into England’s Ashes squad as a replacement for Marcus Trescothick. The 28-year-old only qualified to play for England last year and was selected ahead of Rob Key and Owais Shah. If he gets to play, Joyce will become only the fifth Irishman to play test cricket for England. Some may have problems with Joyce declaring for England but it really does seem to have been the only way for him to do his cricketing talent justice.

  • smcgiff

    Best of luck to him!

  • overhere

    Best of luck. If he is good at the game and his career would be better served in another country then why not. Simply saying he should not play for England because he is Irish is a load of the usual sectarian twaddle only prevelent in Norn Iron.

  • GrassyNoel

    Yeah good luck to the lad…hope he skins the Aussie B*stards…I mean that in the nicest possible way!

    Yet more proof that the Irish can be world class at whatever they put their minds to, even when the odds are against them

  • Greenflag

    ‘Some may have problems with Joyce declaring for England ‘

    ???? Who ? Cricket is predominantly a sport even if for some it may be a ‘religion’ 🙂

    Good luck to the lad in what he has to do to reach the highest standard possible in his sport .

  • George

    Greenflag,
    I never said anyone of consequence, and certainly not if you like cricket, but there is always at least one.

    Link

    And might I add, I was including English and Irish people in that “some” as is evidenced from some of the reactions on the BBC site.

  • páid

    Joyce, a Norman, replaces Trescothick, a Celt, playing for Angleland.

    Just the way crazy fox like me look at it.

  • Greenflag

    ‘but there is always at least one. ‘

    Of course George -It’s the human condition 🙂

    I don’t remember too many complaining when we had a few Englishmen disguised as Irishmen helping to get Ireland into the World Cup 🙂

    Let’s hope we can beat San Marino at Lansdowne Rd in soccer . And lets hope that having defeated South Africa the Irish Rugby team can beat Australia this weekend also 🙂

    The big ‘rugby’ one will be Ireland versus England at Croke Park in the new year 🙂 Ireland will be going for the four in a row win against the ‘ould enemy’ for the first time in rugby history 🙂

  • marty

    Out of interest, how does Joyce qualify for England? Is it via his parentage or the qualification rules in Cricket less strict than other sports?

  • George

    Marty,
    I think the situation is that, as he is foreign, he had to spend four years in England to qualify.

  • marty

    Cheers George.

  • dantheman

    Good luck to the lundy. I for one wil have no hard feelings towards the treasonous Ed ‘Oliver Cromwell’ Joyce. No only joking, its all good news. He obviously wants to progress and fair play to him.

    Especially if it means one less person in Ireland boring us all to death with that tedious game called cricket. Did I mention cricket? Oh no……… zzzzzzzzz….. ZZZZZZ…. zzzzzzzzz… ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzz..whoops fell asleep there. What was I talking about again?? Crick……………….. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……. zzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • Brainwashed

    George

    From the looks of it the English who are complaining are doing so because they feel he is not good enough and that there are more experienced or competant players.

    When the critisism is from the Irish it is because he has ‘sold out’ and should have his citizenship revoked.

    I think it is a good day for both Irish and English (and welsh) cricket. Lets have one big British Isles test team.

    Who’s up for it?

  • Martin

    As an Englishman I’m delighted at Joyce’s inclusion. He’s an elegant batsman with a lot of grit who will prop up our middle order no-end should he get a chance.

    Despite the name of the team, technically the ‘England’ team represents England & Wales, being the representative team of the England & Wales Cricket Board.. However, cricketing Wales doesn’t really extend beyond Glamorgan and, delighted as I am with Joyce’s inclusion, I wouldn’t be happy with changing the name of the team. As a couple of the comments above show I think there is a ways to go before Cricket is established, and accepted, enough in these Islands outside England for it to be otherwise.

    Having said that, though, when the England team toured abroad until (I think) the 1960s officially it toured as the MCC XI – although everyone still referred to it as England.

  • esmereldavillalobos

    This is wonderful news for Joyce; if nothing else the experience will do him the world of good. I have tickets for the MCG 26-29th December so while not wishing anybody ill or being pessimistic re: England’s chances (ie someone gets injured or loses form or England are 3-0 down at that stage 😮 ) it would be great to see him play and play well. I’ll see if I can get the Barmy Army to give a chorus of “Fields of Athenry” if he’s batting!

    I do agree with Martin – whoever’s representing them, it’s the England (and Wales) cricket team; Ireland and Scotland have their own distinct identities and ODI status at present and play in the World Cup in March. Until we have Test status (Fnarr!) those who are good enough should be encouraged to try to qualify for the nearest Test playing side which, like it or not, is England. If he’d wanted to he could have tried to qualify somewhere else but he didn’t.

    All the best Ed, see you next month!

  • Mick Fealty

    See Keith Duggan’s piece from last October here.

  • idunno

    “Especially if it means one less person in Ireland boring us all to death with that tedious game called cricket. Did I mention cricket? Oh no……… zzzzzzzzz….. ZZZZZZ…. zzzzzzzzz… ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzz..whoops fell asleep there. What was I talking about again?? Crick……………….. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……. zzzzzzzzzzzzz”

    Hilarious!!! Comedy genius!!!

    If it’s of so little interest to you why bother commenting?

  • Young Fogey

    Will he still play for us in ODIs and, especially, will he still play for us in our first World Cup appearance next year? With that caveat, good luck to him, it can only be good for him and Irish cricket.

    And on the subject of foreign games, while I think England will be well ‘up for it’ in Croker next year, I just don’t think their back line can live with ours at the moment, and I don’t think sacking Andy Robinson will do them any good when the problem is that they sap the flair of talented backs in the boring 10-man slugfest that is the Guinness Premiership. Wales and Italy will be our biggest problems in the 6 Nations next year.

  • English

    I have no problem with this, in the same way I have had no problem with Aldridge, Townsend, McAteer, Carsley, Kelly, Kenny etc playing for the Republic of Ireland.

    Unfortunately we will get whooped by the Aussies!

  • Patrique

    We already have a GB test team, with Welsh players and any Scottish players good enough for tests, such as Mike Denness, although I am not sure he was good enough. At present it is a bit like Jack Charlton’s Ireland, as the players are from South Africa, New Zealand, England, Ireland, wales, and elsewhere, and there is no harm in that.

    As for Dantheman, to the unenlightened cricket appears dull. To the enlightened, cricket makes a lively, exciting, thrill packed change from the totally boring, monotonous premiership soccer.

  • abucs

    Just as long as he doesn’t start any fights at the local pub when on tour. :o)

  • esmereldavillalobos

    YF

    No. If Ed played for Ireland again, as I interpret the regulations (which are fairly dense) he would have to requalify for England which is fairly pointless. In the future, he would be eligible immediately should he not play for England again. Brother Dom will be in the Windies though.

  • The World’s Gone Mad

    He’s not the only one. Brian Carney (a Cork man) is a winger for the Great Britain Lions (Rugby League) and is a damn good’un as well.

  • darth rumsfeld

    In truth it would be nice if the English and Welsh cricket team was rebranded the British ( and Irish) cricket team. After all we’ve provided them with many great talents like..er, Mike Denness, Larne’s own Martin McCague. Oh and of course Michael Vaughan would be nothing if it weasn’t for his Dungannon wife. Though why Decker Curry never got to open the batting for England I’ll never know- or perhaps it was a conspiracy to protect lesser talents like Nasser Hussain and mark Ramprakash.

    On the internationals scene we’v eplayed a pivotal role too. Perhaps Shoaib Ahktar’s experience of Strabane turned him to drugs- an understandable reaction which he should use in mitigation on his appeal. The lad’s been to Ballymagorry- he’s suffered enough.

  • Martin

    World’s Gone Mad – technically the Great Britain Rugby League team should be the Great Britain AND Ireland team, indeed it used to be (check out the shamrock that remains on the shirt) but the “and Ireland” was dropped in 2004. Don’t ask me why but the Lions will be retired after 2007 which will, IMHO, seal the death of International Rugby League. Unlike in R Union, none of the Home Nations can hope to challenge Souther Hemisphere dominance individually.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain_Rugby_League

  • Decker’s quite the man at postage stamps like Donemana but you do have to wonder how he’d have fared with a full sized pitch. And speaking of Decker, I wouldn’t make too many jokes about Strabane. It’s got the edge on Limavady on a wet wednesday afternoon.

  • The World’s Gone Mad

    Hi Martin – apologies, no snub intended. Having been following international Rugby League on-and-off for 20 years, its fair to say the Britain-and-Ireland label wasn’t used that often. Its not as controversial to call the League team the ‘British’ Lions as the Union team. After all, the shamrock isn’t exactly overflowing with representatives…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Irish_rugby_league_players

    Saying that Carney has been a great representative of Irish sport, even if he’s a virtual unknown in his home country. Since moving to Australia he has performed well and despite a dodgy start to his life down under when he was chucked out of a Manly pub, he has been a great Irish ambassador (and a great ambassador for British/Irish rugby league) both on and off the pitch. An intelligent decent bloke.

  • Martin

    Hi Worlds Gone Mad – no offence taken and I agree no-one ever bothered to use the rather cumbersome title of the team. Perhaps the lack of controversy stems from the RL exposure in Ireland compared to RU.

    As a Wigan fan I am more than aware of Carney’s abilities, great player, I just feel sorry for the poor bloke when they play GSTQ at internationals and (quite rightly) doesn’t feel he can join in. It’s just another example of trying to come up with a descriptive noun for these Islands which (a) doesn’t cause offence and (b) is not such a tongue twister as GB&I.

  • darth rumsfeld

    “And speaking of Decker, I wouldn’t make too many jokes about Strabane. It’s got the edge on Limavady on a wet wednesday afternoon.

    Posted by Karl Rove on Nov 16, 2006 @ 10:41 AM”

    You swine Rove!