Israelis snub Gerry…

LOOKS like Gerry won’t be going to Israel after all. Doubt if he’s bothered…

  • Keith M

    Just what Israel needs is another bearded terrorist leader. Adams should be lucky to have been allowed into the country. One hopes that he’s travelling on a real passport.

  • Eyeopener

    Gerry

    “These include inclusive dialogue, respect for electoral mandates and respect for human rights and international law.”

    Tell that to the suicide bombers, good to see Israel seeing Gerry for what he is. Pity our govt doesnt have the balls in tackling terrorism Israel has.

  • Jo

    Madness. Now you cant talk to those who might talk to those who some people think to be terrorists.

    If you want to be consistent and not talk to those who kill hundreds of innocent people in a disproportionate bombing campaign, that would rule out any dialogue with the Israelis.

    By its own definition, it is a terrorist state.

  • pith

    Gerry the Peacemaker? Is he being cynical or just ironic? Or maybe he’s just having a laugh.

  • Jo

    ….had the Israeli PM still been Mencham Begin, they could have had a good oul chin-wag about how many Brits they had whacked…I think begin would have had the higher score.

  • bootman

    Any body else get annoyed at totally inaccurtae threads like this one.

    He is going to Israel. The first and only line is incorrect.

  • Good to see the Osloid Olmert making at least one good decision. Israel has enough terrorist godfathers lining up against it – what need another? Bet that Adams and the Hamas brigade get along real swell – so much in common.

  • willis

    And it is a pity that the Israelis have snubbed him, although given his at times smug performances and their wounded pride at the moment, hardly a surprise.

    If they won’t listen to wise old Pat Robertson, Why should they listen to a terrorist leader who has actually, slowly, got the killing stopped well short of his objectives.

  • Jo

    David

    Of course, you ignore the inconvenient point that Israeli leaders and Gerry also have much in common – a history of killing British soldiers.

  • nmc

    It’s crazy to set up or encourage a system whereby dialogue, even indirect dialogue, is ruled out.

  • Brian Boru

    Who cares what Israel thinks. They are a bully and a colonial power – the only one in the West right now that is illegally occupying and colonising illegally-occupied territory in violation of UN Security Council Resolution 242 which requires the return of the territories seized in 1967. If Israel doesn’t hand them ALL back then it is the author of its security problems. Tired of the excuses some people make for them, especially Unionists, who you’d think would have their own reasons for not wanting to put people back where they used to live many centuries ago. 😉

  • kensei

    “Gerry the Peacemaker? Is he being cynical or just ironic? Or maybe he’s just having a laugh.”

    Yeah, let’s ignore the past 15 years where he has led the Provisional movement from war to peace. Let’s ignore the recent similar stuff with Basque separtists. Let’s ignore the fact he has been invited there by the Palestinian President and might be able to do some small amount of good. Let’s ignore the ridiculousness of the Israeli position – we won’t talk to anyone that looks at a (democratically elected) terrorist.

    You know what? If it hadn’t been for Gerry Adams and the rest of the SF leadership, the IRA would still be blowing the shit out of people.

  • Jo

    “the IRA would still be blowing the shit out of people. ”

    You know, I genuinely think some Unionists would prefer that they were still doing that. It would be so much easier to understand. The support of Unionists for Israel’s massacre of Lebanese civilians over recent weeks tends to support that idea. Violence is ok – as long as its people you think are like you, that are violent.

  • pith

    Kensei: “If it hadn’t been for Gerry Adams and the rest of the SF leadership, the IRA would still be blowing the shit out of people.”

    Think about it.

  • Jo

    Perhaps some action could be taken on that unacceptable comment.

  • willis

    DV

    Guess I will have to ask you again why you persist in using the ridiculous word “dhimmi”.

    “Harlot” is of course completely ad hominum.

  • kensei

    “Think about it.”

    No, YOU think about it. I am not debating his past or excusing it. I am merely stating a fact. Without the will from the SF leadership to drive the change, the IRA would still be killing people. It is unthinkable it would have happened with a change in thinking at the top. John Hume played an important role in opening minds, but the hard work of changing the direction of the movement and doing it without damaging splits was done and is being done by the SF leadership. If it had have went wrong there would have been a coup and they would have been killed themselves.

    Should Unionists be grateful? Hell, no. But they should at least give it the respect it merits.

  • Greenflag

    Gerry Adams represents 25% of the electoral vote in Northern Ireland and 6% in the Irish Republic . Why would any Israeli Government need much less want to meet with him ?

    Hezbollah have knocked the Lebanon back 40 years with their ‘missile’ strategy . Israel has 200 nuclear weapons . Gerry Adams has An Phoblacht .

  • pith

    Kensei, And that qualifies him as international peacemaker does it?

  • BogExile

    I met a Palestinian once in Belfast. He had a good sense of humour. When I said I came from Enniskillen he said, ‘Ah, another settler on the west bank.’ He was referring to the Bann. Then I killed him.

  • kensei

    “Kensei, And that qualifies him as international peacemaker does it?”

    No, but it qualifies him as someone who has some relevant experience. Much has been made in the past of IRA’s links with Basque separatists and Palestinians and others. When those links are use dot promote peace rather than war, it is sneered at. What? Seriously, what?

    It might do fuck all, but then, what exactly has been lost?

  • pith

    Well then let’s just hope that the Israeli government is big enough to take advice from someone who has relevant experience. I don’t know if cigarette smuggling is a big problem down there but if it is…

  • nmc

    I love the naysayer approach. I don’t like Gerry so he can’t do good anywhere on earth.

    Cigarette smuggling, that’s funny. Cracks me up. Although I feel peace in the middle east probably shouldn’t be used for a punch line, despite how you feel about Gerry.

  • Jo

    Ref: the 11-04 post.

    It would appear that the policy on ad homimem posting has some exclusions?

  • willis

    What surprises me is that DV is allowed to post a particularly nasty and sexist comment and yet none of those who accuse Slugger of being nationalist dominated take the time to tell him that they too find his post unacceptable.

  • andy

    Further to the post allegedly by DV at 11/04 – where exactly is the lie in saying the architects of the State of Israel killed British Soldiers?
    They did worse things than the IRA during the war of independence.

    (I say allegedly as I know some comments have been falsely attributed to David here in the past)

    Unionist Israel supporters may be interested to know one of the main gunrunners to the Irgun was a guy called Robert Briscoe who had smuggled weaponry to Michael Collins in an earlier incarnation.

    As for the point of the post, I think it was worth Gerry going. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. To be honest I doubt it would achieve much, but it is worth a shot. So consequently the current Israeli action is a bit of a pity.

  • na

    The whinging from Jo about Vance’s ad hominem would carry weight if she wasn’t such an utter hypocrite.

    See her post on Mr Vance from just two days ago below.

    Talk about double standards and hypocrisy!

    http://www.sluggerotoole.com/index.php/weblog/comments/happy_birthday_talkback/

    AT least he has a consistent attiutude towards the 2 ATW hosts who, when allowed on the programme, retreat to their vipers nest to spit venom at the BBC until the next time the local rep. is allowed, incredibly, to masquerade as a man of reason on Hearts and Minds.
    Claiming monopoly on truth, claiming to be a Christian while preaching racial hatred and endorsing political violence is not something David D. has stooped to, or is likely to.
    Unlike others, he has earned the respect of anyone sane in this country.
    Posted by Jo on Sep 02, 2006 @ 06:53 PM

    Pot, kettle and crap spring to mind

  • micktvd

    David Vance: “Don’t peddle your leftist dhimmi lies here harlot!”

    Where are the moderators? There are very few women on this board as it stands, never mind intelligent ones who never make personal attacks on other posters. If Mr Vance is permitted his sexist rants, then I will conclude that the moderators are actually encouraging the subtle exclusion of women from Slugger.

  • Jo

    na

    I remarked on David Dunseith’s approach.

    I also commented accurately on how the BBC is regarded by those whom it indulges (disproportionately to the level of public support for their perspective) as those people frequently accuse the BBC and Dunseith as being biased against them and their viewpoint.

    Your own personal hostility to me is a matter of record.

  • pith

    I just don’t buy the “Gerry’s only trying to do his small bit for peace” line. Sinn Fein president on a vanity-flattering trail through the rubble of the latest sorry mess in the Middle East would be more like it. Disgusting. If he really has influence with difficult people internationally, what precisely has he done to seek the release of Ingrid Betancourt?

  • lib2016

    There has been a great deal of time and effort put into strategies for building democracy in societies where it has been tainted by one group or another feeling a need to dominate.

    The Nehrus and Ghandhis of India, no less than Mandela and others of the ANC and the founders of Israel have all paid tribute to the contributions of Irish republicans.

    The tragedy of the Zionists in Israel is that like the Unionists of Northern Ireland they have tried to set up a society which was not inclusive. Maybe it would help the situation in the Middle East if the Zionists were to look at Northern Ireland rather than referencing back to the Holocaust.

    As Conor Cruise O’Brien pointed out the time to make a deal is when you still have cards in your hand.

    Unionists were once the only large minority in Ireland and won concessions on that basis. Now they are just another group along with the Polish Irish, the Chinese-Irish and all the rest.

    Still welcome to take their place as fellow Irishmen and women but this time as equals. The GFA were it to be negotiated today might be very different.

  • micktvd

    With regard to na’s post (12:47 PM)I would characterise Jo’s post from Sept 2nd as severely critical of Vance, but different in kind from the ‘harlot’ insult. Lets see:

    Jo:
    Vance masquerades as a man of reason, claims to be a Christian while preaching racial hatred and spits venom at the BBC.

    Vance:
    Stop lying you harlot

    I think the difference is obvious.

  • na

    Mick,

    I suggest you research the phrase ‘ad hominem’, it is an entirely accurate description of Jo’s attack on Vance. A phrase she uses when pleading for moderator action against Vance.

    It is utter hypocrisy.

    If she doesn’t like ad hominem attacks she shouldn’t indulge in them. Any action she wishes taken against Vance should be mirrored in action taken against her.

    I’d be happy if the pair of them quit their whinging.

  • Jo

    na

    Its clear who is doing the whinging here. Have you anything to say on the subject of this post?

  • micktvd

    Na, calling someone an utter hypocite is also ad hominem, but it is not going to lead to calls for moderators to intervene. Nasty personal insults of a sexist nature are way over the line, and of a different order. But you can disagree. By the way, is there a male equivalent for the harlot insult? If there isn’t, then I think that has some bearing on why it was used and why it can’t be tolerated.

  • Unionist Israel supporters may be interested to know one of the main gunrunners to the Irgun was a guy called Robert Briscoe who had smuggled weaponry to Michael Collins in an earlier incarnation.

    Considering that by many I would be seen as a Nationalist Israel supporter. All I can say is Go Briscoe. Another reason to like Israel.

    As for the Beerded One going to Israel the words PR and stunt spring to mind.

  • Can I ask the moderator to remove the drivel from the sockpuppet who posted in my name at 11.04am please? More Slugger impersonators!

    And how curious that it followed a post from an individual who seems to delight in attacking me -but not on my site, of course.

    As for those sad souls who chose to believe that I would make such a comment, says it all about your narrow prejudices!

    The topic here was, need I remind you, that Israel had denied one terror leader the excuse for free publicity. I think this was a good idea but if Gerry has free time in his schedule, why not fly to visit Nasrallah and the Hdezbo’s – the new terrorist darlings of the liberal intelligentsia.

  • Jo

    David

    Thank you for your clarification. I did not expect you to answer the point that a former Israeli leader killed more British soldiers than the man you unequivocally condemn. That makes your perspective inconsistent and hypocritical and I have no need to visit your site, while it exists, to make that point.

  • Harry Flashman

    The ugly, nasty comment relating to Jo should be removed straight away and David Vance’s disavowal should also be noted.

    I think the moderators should institute a registration process whereby posters cannot assume multiple identities.

  • Jo

    Thank you, Harry.

  • micktvd

    Apologies mr Vance for assuming you would say such a thing. I don’t know you that well and thought you’d lost your marbles. I really enjoy reading through this site and occasionally posting and was genuinely shocked by that impersonating fool.

    As for GA going or not going to Israel. Totally irrelevant in my view to the ending of the conflict. Israel is busily planning the final annexation of the Jordan valley and further dismemberment of the Palestinian Territories, adding further to it’s illegal West Bank settlements. All in complete defiance of overwhelming world opinion and plenty of UN resolutions. It will not be deterred by terrorism or persuaded by individuals. Only the withdrawal of decisive US support would bring it to a bargaining table with something realistic to offer the Palestinians.

    And by the way, David, it’s not the liberal intelligensia that supports Hezbollah. Late last month, polls revealed that 87% of Lebanese support Hizbullah’s resistance against the invasion. The poll also found that 90% of Lebanese regard the US as “complicit in Israel’s war crimes against the Lebanese people”.

  • Jo

    Mick

    Re: the “losing your marbles” comment, David is on record (on his own site) as wanting Israel to bomb Lebanon into the Stone Age. That comment was made with full awareness of how many hundreds of innocent women and children Israeli forces killed in recent weeks. Even Gerry Adams didnt quite manage the wholesale slaughter that he vociferously supports.

    Perhaps that might clarify why some of us choose not to “debate” there?

  • Micktvd,

    Thank you for the kind words.Your point re Lebanon is right – Hezbo’s are IN power.

    We’re not going to agree on the situation re Israel so let’s agree to differ amicably!

    Jo,

    Assuming that a lack of response to an asinine question constitutes “an answer” is an interesting perspective. Maybe that’s how liberals think. Your absence from ATW is one of those burdens we just have to live with.

  • willis

    DV

    So anyway, why do you keep harping on about dhimmi?

  • Oilibhear Chromaill

    David Vance thinks that Jo is liberal – and I assume he doesn’t believe he is to be counted among their number.

    Yet he’s all for terrorism – as long as its state terrorism, be it Israeli terrorism in Lebanon and Palestine or British terrorism in Ireland.

    That’s true liberalism for you. A man who’s prepared to stand up and argue so that others may go out and spill blood, others and their own, and they may know that he’s cheering them on from his safe berth in ATW!!!

  • Jo

    willis

    Don’t ask such asinine or embarrassing or inconvenient questions! There might be an outburst of truth!

  • Willis,

    I have not mentioned the word “dhimmi” on this post at all!!! If you refer to the term being used on ATW – it’s because DHIMMI sums up the mindset of those on the Left who want to be “nice” to the ROP’s more savage members.

    Oliver,

    Is that what passes for debate here? Really????

    I’m just hoping another sockpuppet doesn’t appear after the 2.15pm post. I’ve noticed a trend there….

  • Oilibhear Chromaill

    I just wonder David why you equivocate on the issue of terrorism.
    Surely murder is murder is murder as one of the icons of the right used to say before she became decrepid (or was it after, it’s so hard to tell).

  • something realistic to offer the Palestinians.
    What like full indepence of 98%-99% of the west bank all the gaza strip, flyover motorway conecting the two and various other things.

    Oh wait they offered that back in 2002.

    Oh why do I get dragged into to this whole black hole of reason which is debating Israel and Palestine again and again

  • Jo

    David

    As the author of the 2-15 post, if u are trying to insinuate that I was the “sockpuppet” impersonating u earlier, I am sure a Slugger moderator can confirm that I was not.

    Such people should indeed be banned and as you will recall, I did alert you to the presence of such personation on a previous occasion.

  • willis

    DV

    No actually I was referring to your previous posts on Slugger.

    “Britain must ditch Europe for the leftist/dhimmi dominiated cesspool that is currently is, and realign herself alongside that great bastion of freedom, the land of the brave and free, the United States, our only true ally. The time WILL come when the UK must stand alongside the US and take affirmative action against an islamic dominated europe by overt means and we must prepare for that day. Which side the Irish Republic takes on this conflict will determine its future existence as an indepent state or not!!”
    Posted by David Vance on Aug 29, 2006 @ 12:42 PM

    And

    Prince Dhimmi seems a more apt title…..shameful performance from him.
    Posted by David Vance on Mar 27, 2006 @ 02:19 PM

    That sockpuppet seems to know your MO!

  • pith

    Excellent, we are back to David Vance’s Valley of the Black Pig. While recognising that the starting date for “affirmative action” against an “islamic dominated europe” might be top secret, could you tell me Mr Vance if it is worth me hiring out a crusader costume for another week? Also, where is “islamic dominated europe”? I can’t find it anywhere.

  • Jo

    I would doubt that the Aug 29 post is genuine, not because of the sentiment expressed (with which the stipulated author would agree) but that the mis-spelling is untypical.

    The March 27 is probably genuine. Hard to tell, really.

  • Brian Boru

    “What like full indepence of 98%-99% of the west bank all the gaza strip, flyover motorway conecting the two and various other things.

    Oh wait they offered that back in 2002.”

    No they weren’t.

    Barak offered most of the West Bank, but more like 73% of it. The problems including Israel controlling all of its water-sources, its airspace, the border with Jordan, the Gaza coastline, and, most objectionable of all, continuing to separate West Bank towns with Israeli settlements and IDF checkpoints. Not what I’d call “independent”.

  • lib2016

    “..where is ‘islamic dominated europe’?”

    Don’t forget to check the Chinese restaurants, particularly when they are full of women and children. I hear they hide things in the baby’s prams.

    That particular raid was organised by MI5 – the ‘Intelligence’ guys that are taking over here to clean up the mess left by Special Branch and the FRU.

    Sometimes one understands why they lost that Empire.

  • Willis,

    The August 29th was another (same?) sockpuppet. The March 15th sounds indeed more like me.

    I make that one use of the word “dhimmi” in 6 months on Slugger. Too excessive for you?

    You shoudl check out my use of the word terrorist-apologist – gulp – it’s worse!

    As for the rest of the Jew hating Pali apologising brigade that infest this thread , these sweet cherubs can continue to stumble into Eurabia waving their little white flags and chanting “Imagine”.

    Finally, I have no patience for schitzo wannabe bloggers carrying a bucketful of prejudices and offering the perspecuity of a gnat. Time out.

  • but more like 73% of it
    Kind of true(Truer then my statement). After a few years that would increase to 94% with Israel ceding other terroritry as well (about 2% making like 96% of total land area and 94% of land wanted) . Now as you say it is not great. But would you not agree that it was a big concession by Israel in the talks. Something that Arafat could have used as a starting point?

    Instead he walked away.

  • Brian Boru

    In relation to the earlier “dhimmi” point, it should be remembered that there was little or nothing in the category of Islamist terrorism against the West before 1948. Solving the Middle East conflict is the key to beginning to help the forces of moderation in the Muslim world.

    “Kind of true(Truer then my statement). After a few years that would increase to 94% with Israel ceding other terroritry as well (about 2% making like 96% of total land area and 94% of land wanted) . Now as you say it is not great. But would you not agree that it was a big concession by Israel in the talks. Something that Arafat could have used as a starting point?”

    I think if Michael Collins was negotiating nowadays for independence even he would have found it hard to stomach Britain controlling our water-supplies, our airspace, our coast, and maintaining British settlements in such a way as to carve up the Southern state into non-contiguous cantons, protecting by British soldiers with the inevitable checkpoint ‘mistakes’ that always have a habit of occurring in this situations i.e. civilians being shot dead. No I don’t think it was good enough for Arafat to accept. Sharon didn’t exactly help the atmosphere for negotiations with his provocative pilgrimage to the Temple Mount flanked by legions of security-personnel to show the Palestinians who was boss.

  • Oilibhear Chromaill

    Having read David Vance’s 4:07 post, I have to say that it’s a baffling piece of work. I don’t think it’s Ulster Scots, it’s definitely not Irish. So it might be a form of Klingon? I hear their language is very aggressive and uncivilised, which seems to fit the bill for David Vance’s post….

    It’s language son but not as we know it.

  • Benn

    Like many other threads in here, this subject seems to have (some) people’s passions up. I’d like to pose a question for (hopefully) dispassionate analysis and discussion. Why Israel, why Palestine? Without in any way taking sides – I’m sympathetic to both in different ways for different reasons and condemn both too – I’m asking why people in Northern Ireland are so engaged with and at times identify with this particular conflict? Why isn’t Gerry Adams going off to Tibet (visa issues?), a nation occupied by the most populous country on earth? Why isn’t the flag of Kashmir – a region occupied by the soon to be most populous country and largest democracy on earth – flying in Free Derry Square instead of the Palestinian flag? Why is there just token graffiti about the Basques and Catalonians, peoples occupied by a former imperialist Catholic power just down the road from you, whereas in Derry the wall cries out about Isreal [sic] scum? Why haven’t the Kurds of Turkey or the Shia of Southern Iraq been the darlings of the Irish left? Where were/are the campaigns for Irian Jia and Western Sahara, and, for that matter, Puerto Rico, Hawaii, and the Malvinas? It seems to me that generally speaking the Republican/Unionist identification with Palestine/Israel is reductionist, essentializing, and, often, far more heinous, though sometimes for some it is sophisticated, compassionate, and principled. Whatever the flavor, it seems like all Israel/Palestine all the time as far as far away conflicts go (hats off to the Shannon crowd on Iraq though). So, some speculation if you please, why this particular focus? And if you go back to the British, keep in mind that the Jews did indeed toss them out, and the Brits, while betraying both sides over there, tilted toward the Palestinians from just after the Balfour Declaration (1917) at least until 1949, when they began to shift towards support for Jordan which occupied the West Bank from 1949-1967. But I digress, and am eager to hear your thoughts on my basic question, why Israel, why Palestine, as compared to all the other miserable parallels out there? Cheers, Ben

  • pith

    “wannabe bloggers”. What’s that? Do you have to pass a test to be a blogger now? I just thought you set one up and off you went. Silly old me.

  • willis

    DV or one of his acolytes

    Terrorist-apologist is fine, we all understand what it means.

    “Dhimmi” just sounds so Sixth form debating society.

  • Jo

    So gracious, isn’t he?

    Not at all, David, if I spot another poster impersonating you here, I’ll…well..I’ll just let u spot them yourself. They could hardly do you any less service than your abusive approach to reasonable contrarian POVs.

  • Why Israel, why Palestine?
    I have always asked that question my self. I guess it is because it involves white people the congo etc don’t

    I think if Michael Collins was negotiating nowadays for independence even he would have found it hard to stomach Britain controlling our water-supplies, our airspace, our coast, and maintaining British settlements in such a way as to carve up the Southern state into non-contiguous cantons,
    Like to see them try control water supply in Ireland. 🙂

    But Collins accepted partition, the treaty ports and the queen

  • Brian Boru

    On partition, it had already happened in early 1921 under the Government of Ireland Act 1920 when the War of Independence was in progress. Collins accepted a Boundary Commission to redraw the border which of course did not lead to an end to partition, which he was led to believe by Lloyd George ultimately would. It is a constantly repeated myth that Collins supported partition and that the Treaty partitioned Ireland.

    Palestine has been partitioned anyway since 1948, so that’s already a given. On the Queen and Treaty ports, they were less a concession that what Arafat was asked to accept. The Barak proposal also denied the Palestinians the right to conventional armed forces and restricted their security-forces to light-armaments. Even the Treaty did not impose this on Ireland.

  • andy

    Benn
    Really good question.
    I also think there is something to do with us all being familiar with the area in the broadest terms – ie its the birthplace of three major religions. people of Christian traditions, for example, hear the word “Jerusalem” from an early age.

    English is widely spoken there as well, and both sides have at different times appealed to the West for help.
    It seems an easier environment for Western Journalists to work in, then, say the Congo. I can still remember images from the siege of Beirut in the early 80s.

    As well as that, the number of international Palistinain-inspired terrorist attacks in the 70s and 80s probably kept the issue in the news (albeit not neccesarily in a positive way).

  • andy

    I should qualify that I meant the incidents in the 70s were not very positive for the Palestinians image wise.

  • they were less a concession that what Arafat was asked to accept.
    Yes but remember also that Ireland never treatend to destroy the British state. They knew that Ireland was not going to launch rockets at them. Also but yourself in Arafats shoes.
    If israel offered that. Would you talk. He didn’t even come back with a counter offer. He just said no.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    ‘Pompey’

    Impersonate Vance again and watch your ability to post here disappear…

  • Mick Fealty

    That was particularly nasty one. He’s gone and all previous posts removed.

  • willis

    What does gone mean? 11.04 post is still there.

  • Slugger O’Toole Admin

    It means s/he is a bit tech savvy and is evading out our anti spam measures. Price of freedom and all that… Now removed.

    Let me know if/when they emerge again?

  • Brian Boru

    “Yes but remember also that Ireland never treatend to destroy the British state. They knew that Ireland was not going to launch rockets at them. Also but yourself in Arafats shoes.
    If israel offered that. Would you talk. He didn’t even come back with a counter offer. He just said no.”

    I think the Arab reaction in 1948 was understandable considering they were being forced to pay territorial compensation for the Holocaust which they were not involved in, and that 700,000 Palestinian Arabs were expelled from present-day Israel. I know how I’d feel if a country did that to me. It was actually Barak who broke off the resumed talks (resumed after the breakdown earlier), and actually said whatever was agreed would not be binding on his successor with elections coming up.

  • seanniee

    Good old gerry god bless him.

  • seanniee

    Bit rich of the Israeli’s getting snotty with
    Gerry.Was there state not founded by “Terrorists”.
    King David Hotel Bombing etc etc etc.

  • Greenflag

    Benn,Simon,

    Why Israel, why Palestine?

    I have always asked that question my self. I guess it is because it involves white people the congo etc don’t

    Another reason is probably because the intractable nature of the political divisions as between Israel and Palestine are basically no different from those of the political division within Northern Ireland . The backround ‘machinations’ of the same former colonial power in the establishment of the Israeli /Palestine States also seems familar .

    We now read that Gerry Adams is in favour of a two State solution for Israel and Palestine . How long can it be before GA comes to the same ‘solution’ for Northern Ireland .

    The case for an agreed Repartition of NI is in principle no different from that of the case for that of separate Palestinian and Israeli States.

  • pith

    That’s right Greenflag. What people often overlook in respect of the Middle East is that it is all about us really.

  • poddyman

    Get back home Gerry – you’ve work still to do! No time to go glory hunting and preaching to others when you cant sort your own problems out!

    More pathetic Shinner PR!