GAWA: ‘Best football fans in Europe’…

THE IFA community relations chief Michael Boyd nominated Northern Ireland’s fans – the Green And White Army – for a Brussels International Supporters’ Award on the Our Wee Country website. Today, they, lifted the trophy. The transformation at Windsor Park isn’t going to please everyone, but the atmosphere at NI matches is, I would argue, not the ‘cold house for Catholics’ that it used to be. PS: there are still some tickets left for the Spain game, but you’ll have to phone first thing in the morning!

  • Mike

    roger –

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    celebrating our Britishness during games
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    Soory but balls to that. I go along to NI matches to support the NI team.

  • lawrie

    Do you think we’ll beat Iceland next week, Mike?

    If not, I hear Tesco’s are looking for a game?

  • Dinger

    Can’t believe youse lot were sucked in by ‘East Belfast Loyalist’- a crude parody probably dreamt up at the Real IRA HQ to help bolster the prejudices of the begrudging, bitter anti- N. Ireland crew, who are best ignored along with their kick-the-Pope equivalents who hate all the ‘sea of green and white’ positivity of recent years…

    Shame this thread degenerated into the usual political mudslinging – supporting your fellow-countrymen in sporting events should be a pleasant antidote to all that sectarian ballix..

  • Fer fecks sake

    JEB:

    Northern nationalist pretty much summed up everything I needed to say to reply your last post.

    So, 40% of the population of NI arent good citizens because they have a different political opinion to yours and expression of that opinion to you is “whinging”. Hmmm, what an open minded individual you are.

    To All: it is possible that East Belfast Loyalist might not be a troll, we all know that there are knobs out there who hold such opinions. One of them has figured out how to use a PC, thats all.

  • eastbelfastloyalist

    Dinger, it would appear that you too have allowed republicans to force you to dilute your identity and with it, the true meaning of the NI team. I laugh at you and your dilutties trying to say that I am an invention of the Real IRA etc? Can you not accept that many NI fans hold the same views as me? Don’t take my word for it. Open your eyes and look all around you! Have you not seen the many hundreds of OWC NI flags bedecked around the city and beside our bonfire sites. They fly proudly alongside our Ulster Flags as part of the Twelfth celebration of our Protestant culture. Who do you think put these flags up? The Real IRA? Me on my own?

    I know because I watched a team of well-organised young loyalists put the OWC and other flags up on the Newtown and the Holywood Road and had I been a bit younger, I would have been giving them a hand myself. Say what you like but these flags are not a figment of my imagination.

    See you next week at the game. You will see me and many others wearing our red, ehite and bluescarves. In the meantime keep the conspiracy theories going lads instead of facing reality

  • Fer fecks sake

    “To All: it is possible that East Belfast Loyalist might not be a troll, we all know that there are knobs out there who hold such opinions. One of them has figured out how to use a PC, thats all. ”

    Actually….

  • frank

    Its pretty clear that many n.i fans hold the same views as ebl. Many areas from Belfast to Cullybackey to Newtownabbey had n.i flags flying alongside the flags of the uff and uvf. N.I flags were flying close to Windsor park along with those of the uff.

    It is difficult to make Winsdor less of a cold house for catholics when the have to pass n.i flags flying alongside those of loyalist paramilitaries with signs saying ‘kill all taigs’ & ‘all taigs are targets’.

    While supporters are a bit more subtle with the singing these days – no surrender add ons, rule brittania etc..replacing the sash & other ‘party’ tunes, the sectarianism remains within large sections of the support.

  • Mustapha Mond

    “Its pretty clear that many n.i fans hold the same views as ebl.”

    is it? why did they get that award then?

  • Anna Dale

    “To All: it is possible that East Belfast Loyalist might not be a troll, we all know that there are knobs out there who hold such opinions. One of them has figured out how to use a PC, thats all.”

    Put it this way, if I find myself sitting beside a t*at with those kind of views at a NI match, I’ll no longer keep quiet as I may have done 10 years ago.

    My brother (BTW a Rangers supporter, poor demented soul) kinda showed me the way by standing up and risking a hiding for standing up for one of our best players when the Billy Boys decided he wasn’t worthy of the shirt. It’s been said numerous times on this thread but it bears repeating…it’s only the vermin within that have the potential to destroy us and until the final whistle, those are the ones I’ll be fighting against.

  • lawrie

    Mustapha,
    Take your head out of the sand. It would be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for the Billy Boys to pass up an opportunity to have a dig at the ‘taig’ players.

    Indeed by Anna Dale’s own admission, there is still the ‘Billy Boys’ element who attend Windsor.

  • Anna Dale

    “Indeed by Anna Dale’s own admission, there is still the ‘Billy Boys’ element who attend Windsor”

    Yeah and we’re the ones fighting the good fight… what have you done recently to remove the scourge of sectarianism from NI sport?

  • Anna Dale

    Well…?
    It’s a tough one init?

  • lawrie

    Anna Dale,
    I have been involved with a cross community football initiative in my part of the world since 2001.
    You spend your time sitting cheek by jowl with sectarian neanderthals and evidently feel that you are deserving of a Nobel Peace Prize because someone you are related to remonstrated with a fellow supporter who was spewing sectarian abuse at one of the players he was meant to be supporting….
    I was going to say ‘you couldn’t make it up, could you?’ but then again maybe you did!

  • Anna Dale

    “I have been involved with a cross community football initiative in my part of the world since 2001.”

    Go on then, impress me, what initiative have you been involved in…

  • Anna Dale

    Still waiting…..(Try Google if you’re struggling)

  • lawrie

    What about you Anna? Your brother made a stand ONCE (AND ONCE ONLY) despite decades of sectarian bile fomenting in the hate-filled Windsor cauldron yet even on this solitary occasion you yourself took no action- See no Evil, Hear No Evil….
    Please let me know of the extensive list of cross-community works and initiatives thay you have under your belt. Try Google, if you are struggling!

  • eastbelfastloyalist

    Annadale,
    Don’t you see that the attitude of lawrie proves my point? Republicans hate our country and our team and that is why we must be strong and forthright in our opposition to those that wish to take away from its protestant and loyalist ethos.
    Give them an inch …

  • Anna Dale

    One nil to Ms Dale.

    ebl/lawrie

    It’s like shooting fish in a bucket but still fun in its own twisted way.

    I’ll be seeing and destroying you once again in other *sport* related forums….soon.

  • lawrie

    night,night Annadale.

    Keep taking the tablets and hopefullly the paranoia will settle down.It’s amazing what they can do nowadays…

  • Mustapha Mond

    Camels, sand, what are you trying to say, just spit it out, I’m sure I’ve heard worse.

    So you think the award was given wrongly?

  • frank

    “Its pretty clear that many n.i fans hold the same views as ebl.”

    “is it? why did they get that award then?”

    I presume they never informed the voting committee of the n.i fans support for loyalist terrorism or the fact that the ‘ourweecountry’ site is using loyalist paramilitaries to manufacture its merchandise at the union jack shop.

  • Mustapha Mond

    Then it is your duty to inform the voting commitee (if thats how it was awarded), of this so the award can be scrutinised more fairly.

    Who do you think should have got the award?, I’d say Arsenal, but they’re not international and I have a bias. 🙂

  • ballymenaloyalist

    Sorry to disagree with a fellow Loyalist from true blue East Belfast but you wouldn’t see me dead at a N. Ireland game these days – appeasing the Fenians and Alliance voters with all that ‘sea of green and white’ shite & they’re even muttering about changing the anthem to ‘Danny Boy’- Emerald shirts with a Celtic cross and shamrocks in the badge was sickening enough for any Prod worth his salt. On the night of the Iceland game, I’ll be staying in with my Rev. William McCrea albums and a bottle of Buckfast!

  • ballymenaloyalist

    Sorry to disagree with a fellow Loyalist from true blue East Belfast but you wouldn’t see me dead at a N. Ireland game these days – appeasing the Fenians and Alliance voters with all that ‘sea of green and white’ shite & they’re even muttering about changing the anthem to ‘Danny Boy’- Emerald shirts with a Celtic cross and shamrocks in the badge was sickening enough for any proud British subject worth his salt. On the night of the Iceland game, I’ll be staying in with my Rev. William McCrea albums and a bottle of Buckfast!

  • Mike

    Strange isn’t it, how the hobby-horse “frank” has about OWC flags has been mirrored by “EBL”, as if to prove his point. Co-incidence I’m sure…

    Lawrie –

    So, in your mind, going along to matches and standing up to sectarianism, standing up and saying that sort of crap isn’t acceptable and what NI matches are about is supporting NI – that is in fact the wrong thing to do. Twisted. Very twisted.

  • lawrie

    I get it Mike!

    Frank must be EBL and EBL must be Frank

    By jove you’ve rumbled them!!! (sorry rumbled him)

    Either that or someone else apart from Frank has found the thousands of OWC flags flying beside loyalist paramilitary flags offensive.

    Well in the world you live in Mike that can’t be possible, so please continue to seek refuge in your conspiracy theories rather than face up to the truth

    QUICK! LOOK MIKE! THERE’S FRANK ON THE GRASSY KNOLL!

    OH SHIT, IT’S NOT! IT MUST BE EBL! (I THINK!)

  • Mike

    I seriously doubt “frank” is “offended” – in fact I’d be pretty sure he’s pretty damn chuffed to have found a new straw to grasp. I on the other hand dislike that sight intensely.

    As for whether “frank” and “EBL” may be related, I believe I’ve already expressed the fact that I’ve got an open mind on “EBL” being a troll or being who he claims to be.

    Nice to see you’ve completely avoided my point addressed to you – care to attempt some sort of reply or are you more content to sidestep them?

  • lawrie

    Mike, I assume the scintillating point that you feel I am deftly side-stepping relates to your comment
    ‘So, in your mind, going along to matches and standing up to sectarianism, standing up and saying that sort of crap isn’t acceptable and what NI matches are about is supporting NI – that is in fact the wrong thing to do. Twisted. Very twisted.’

    Mike, if only you were possessed with sufficient wit to understand what I did say.

    I have no problem with those fans who challenge the Billy Boy element still in their midst. Rather, I expressed disappointment with one poster at the paucity of these efforts-i.e.
    ‘What about you Anna? Your brother made a stand ONCE (AND ONCE ONLY) despite decades of sectarian bile fomenting in the hate-filled Windsor cauldron yet even on this solitary occasion you yourself took no action- See no Evil, Hear No Evil…. ‘

    I’ll not wait for the sound of the penny dropping just yet Mike…

  • stephen

    Wonder if these n.i fans are friends of ebl

  • Mike

    lawrie –

    Two points you have amanged to miss:

    1 – ‘Anna Dale’ is a woman
    2 – The Billy Boy element has been successfully challenged, by going along to matches and supporting the team, and generally just joining in the craic, as I’d assume she doesn, then she’s doing nothing wrong, despite what you in your fevered imagnation would like to believe.

  • lawrie

    Mike,
    I note that you have conceded the point

    Was that EBL and Frank in the video just posted?

  • Mike

    I wouldn’t have any idea since it keeps jarring 2 seconds in for me. You do seem to have a strange obsession with old Frank and EBL though.

    The “point” remains that you appear to have come onto this thread to have a go at people who have been tackling sectarianism, and appear to think that by going to a football match people are somehow in the wrong. Whatever floats your boat I guess.

  • Ziznivy

    I have neither the time nor the inclination to trawl through the blizzard of hatred directed at Northern Ireland’s fans every time we are mentioned. I do however wish to congratulate Jim, Michael Boyd and every other member of the GAWA (and I mean by that the whole support, not the restyled Amalgamation) for the tireless work.

    Once again on Saturday Windsor Park will be a sea of green and a cauldron of noise. it is a pleasure to be part of some of the most good-humoured, noisy and colourful supporters in Europe. Long may this atmosphere prevail.

  • willowfield

    Hear, hear, ziz.

    Can’t wait for Saturday.

  • Anna Dale

    Mike, thank you for standing up for my honour, you’re a gent!

    See everyone in the cauldron ( but remembering to keep an eye open for any of that formenting bile, EBL was talking about in your half-time cuppa ;))on Saturday!

  • state the obvious….

    you live in northern ireland!! thats YOUR country, like it or not you are not irish. you do not live in the nation of ireland. you are a citizen of the british state northern ireland.

  • James B

    Wstate the obvious, you dug yourself a big hole there, a proddy would not call N.Ireland a british state

    well done big man

  • Pete

    Alot of things happened in the past that shouldnt have, same as everywhere in the world

    THE FACT NOW IS WATCH THE GAMES ON SATURDAY AND WEDNESDAY TO OPEN YOUR BITTER EYES – WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY A BETTER PLACE

    GREEN AND WHITE ARMY

  • harry

    Anyone have any more info on the claim that supporters (ourweecountry website)are using loyalist paramilitaries to produce flags and merchandise for the supporters ????

    Could make an interesting news article, especially after the recent award.

  • MartyOWC

    I doubt so as, no doubt much to the disappointment of many on here, we don’t.

    Our Wee Country isn’t trademarked so anybody can use it.

    By the way all our merchandise is for sale here 😉

    http://www.ourweecountry.co.uk/merchandise.html

    The award is hurting some people so so much 🙂

  • John East Belfast

    ffs

    “So, 40% of the population of NI arent good citizens because they have a different political opinion to yours and expression of that opinion to you is “whinging”. Hmmm, what an open minded individual you are.”

    I dont know why I bother posting to the likes of you because you obviously dont read any of it or are not capable of engaging the issues.

    I have just got back from the weekend which is why I didnt respond earlier.

    Also anyone who reads my posts would know that the nutter or troll who is EBL is nothing like what I would say as you appear to have been clumsily and childishly suggesting.

    Anyhow one last time.

    What I said was the primary reason for the lack of ability to support the NI football among nationalists was because of their lack of support for the NI State period.
    I then suggested indeed that in any area of endeavour (other than Gaelic sports – and I am aware of the provincial and county nuances) whatsoever nationalists would want the NI sate to fail.

    I then queried a scenario of would northern nationalists support a multi billion investment and several thousand jobs into the occupied six counties or the liberated 26. The only two who posted said they would support the latter.

    I then said that people who cannot support their state in anyway are probably not great citisens.
    Also if they are not likely to change that State in their lifetime then they might be doing everyone a favour by going somewhere else – infact that is exactly what Trevor Philips said recently when he was rebutting those who want Sharia Law introduced into certain parts of the UK.

    Now are you going to discuss these issues intelligently and challenge them or are you just going to give me the one finger and call me names ?

    All that I said to you was exactly how I would deal myself.

    ie if a UI was voted in tomorrow I would become a loyal, supportive and active citisen of the new state or I would get out – indeed as the overwhelming majority of post partitioned Free State unionists did.

    I also said that if northern nationalists became less hostile to the State they were curently in and with dignity endeavoured to persuade northern unionists of the benefits of a UI they might actrually get somewhere with wavering unionists.

    However downright hostility to everything NI will only cause people to dig their heels in.

    This is the third time I have had to spell this out for you and NN so if you just want to come back with ad hominen comments I wont return.

  • wes

    OWC country merchandise is also available here

    http://www.unionjackshop.com/product_info.php?id=198

    http://www.unionjackshop.com/product_info.php?id=294

    http://www.unionjackshop.com/product_info.php?id=122

    Why does owc use loyalist paramilitaries to produce its merchandise ???

  • John East Belfast

    wes

    This is a pretty nasty web site sanitising loyalist paramilitaries – there is unfortunatley a market for it.

    I cannot speak for OWC but I suspect they dont have a trademark on their name and they are no more guilty of using “loyalist paramilitaries to produce its merchandise” than the IFA are – ie these flags have IFA on them.

    Even if they did have a trade mark they would have to enforce it against these people.

    Or it could be they are legitimate flags that have been bought by the owners of this Shop/Website and they are now selling them on.

    Therefore I believe you are engaging in guilt by association.

  • trevor

    Don;t knock yourselves down in the rush all you ‘decent’ NI fans to tackle the issue of thousands of OWC flags flying alonside the UDA and UVF flags

    Let’s put a predictable boot into the fenian agitators instead

  • Belfast Gonzo

    lawrie said: I get it Mike!

    Frank must be EBL and EBL must be Frank

    By jove you’ve rumbled them!!! (sorry rumbled him)

    After a cursory check, Frank and eastbelfastloyalist appear to be separate people.

    However, you appear to share an IP address with eastbelfastloyalist, get a life, empey head, trevor and possibly others on this thread.

    It seems more than just coincidence…

  • Anna Dale

    Belfast Gonzo,
    I’m truly shocked!

    Anyway, apart from that, I’m not sure how certain people can find the time to muck about on here when they’ve got all those “cross-comuunity football initiatives” to sort out…;)

  • Ziznivy

    NMC
    “for two years (between 2001 and 2003) I lived on Melrose Street, just up from Windsor Park. I have been subjected to sectarian abuse from these non sectarian fans as they make there way to and from games a number of times.”
    I too lived in South Belfast for a couple of years. 2003-2005 in Wellesley Avenue. I’d like to relate a few specific incidents relating to supporting Northern Ireland during that time.

    1)After a game against Armenia there were two supporters buying a pizza at the take-away on the Lisburn Road just up from Wellesley. They were called all the names under the sun by a group of lads in there.
    2)In Ryan’s after a 0-0 draw against Spain two individuals seeing NI supporters sat muttering “Up the RA” and other slogans. Nothing was said to them.
    3)Northern Ireland supporters being spat on by a Republic of Ireland supporter in the Botanic Inn.
    4)A group of supporters making their way to a bar after the Poland game being threatened by a group standing outside the hostel at the end of Wellesley Avenue. They began striding across the road to attack them before realising that a group of about 20 of us were standing just around the corner.
    5)I had a Northern Ireland supporters’ flag made for an away trip. It consisted of 3 segments (I tricolour if you will 😉 ) of green and white, an IFA crest and the letters BUFC (my club). After Celtic were defeated by Porto in the UEFA Cup some one of the drunken aggressive hordes circulating around South Belfast that night must have spotted it through the back window from Wellington Park. He arrived at our front door, when it was opened he tried to force his way in shouting about hun …. Well we’ll just say it rhymed with “runts”. He then stayed outside roaring and shouting until the PSNI arrived.

    None of these stories I realise proves a great deal in themselves. Rather similar to your own allegations.

  • The World’s Gone Mad

    Wes – Aug 28, 2006 @ 12:25 AM
    ‘Why does owc use loyalist paramilitaries to produce its merchandise ???’

    trevor – Aug 28, 2006 @ 01:06 AM
    ‘Don;t knock yourselves down in the rush all you ‘decent’ NI fans to tackle the issue of thousands of OWC flags flying alonside the UDA and UVF flags’

    Just who exactly is gonna rush to tackle the issue at 1:06am apart from NI-supporting somnambulists. Anyhow – MartyOWC answered wes’s question before he even asked it.

  • Sammy McQuiston

    I would would be very surprised if the IFA logo was not a trademark. I recall issues over this over some of the merchandise produced in the wake of Bests death. They should take action over the mis use of their logo.

  • frank

    I said earlier in the thread that the owc site used paramilitaries to manufacture owc flags and merchandise.I’m not sure that the site actually does do this, but would be interested to find out if they would call on all fans to boycott the flags due to the paramilitary connections and paramilitary merchandise sold by the union jack shop.

  • Anna Dale

    “I said earlier in the thread that the owc site used paramilitaries to manufacture owc flags and merchandise.I’m not sure that the site actually does do this”

    Frankie boy,

    That’s not a very strong apology if that’s what’s it meant to be.

    So does the owc site actually use paramilitaries to manufacture owc flags or not?

    And in future, instead of putting Mick’s site under the risk of a libel action with your cowardly allegations, why not write a letter to, let’s say Daily Ireland, making the same allegation and let’s see what happens shall we, if they print it?

  • Ziznivy

    “Frankie boy,

    That’s not a very strong apology if that’s what’s it meant to be.”

    I’d go further and say it’s a gutless pathetic response by someone whose ignorance and slander has been clearly exposed Anna.

    Then he has the cheek to ask Marty to issue a condemnation of something he has nothing to do with after accusing his site.

    Laughable. Well up to the standard of the begrudgers.

  • Realist

    frank,

    “I said earlier in the thread that the owc site used paramilitaries to manufacture owc flags and merchandise.”

    You lied. You’re attempts to undermine the Northern Ireland fanbase are becoming more and more pathetic and desperate.

    “I’m not sure that the site actually does do this”

    They don’t.

    “But would be interested to find out if they would call on all fans to boycott the flags due to the paramilitary connections and paramilitary merchandise sold by the union jack shop.”

    Who manufactured the flags?

    The envy of republicans on this thread, matches the colour of a Northern Ireland shirt.

    “And in future, instead of putting Mick’s site under the risk of a libel action with your cowardly allegations, why not write a letter to, let’s say Daily Ireland, making the same allegation and let’s see what happens shall we, if they print it?”

    Fancy it frankie boy? – it would make our day!

    Roll on Saturday – another GAWA carnival in store.

  • willowfield

    Lying: how pathetic.

  • Sean

    Frank will you get life – some lowlife is trying to make a quick buck out of N.Ire success of late

    I can go an say im not happy about casement park being used by SF for a rally because i love GAA but most certainly am not a lover of gun waving republican and their terror campaigns, im a nationalist doesnt mean who plays football doesnt mean i support SF and their socialist ethos

  • Murphy

    What was ‘NI’s greatest ever players view, there should be an All Ireland team and so be it!!!!