Double betrayal…

A FORMER mole inside the IRA explains why he’s fighting a new war against his old employers, the Government.

  • Rory

    If all the wrongs that Mr Fulton has alleged have been done him by ‘perfidious Albion’ are true I should of course, by all the lights I profess, be rushing to his support. And indeed I have no reason to disbelieve him. Nevertheless I feel overcome by a strange sense of ennui.

    I really couldn’t be arsed and could not care less whether Mr Fulton lives or dies.

    Am I suffering from compassion fatigue do you think? I wonder whom I might sue.

  • tony

    is Fulton related to posh spice, the are both mad for publicity.

    Perhaps he should move to Madrid , like Beckham !!

    And write a book !! oops ! I forgot he was trying to sell his latest fiction.

  • Donnacha

    Fair enough, if he was promised a package, he should get one. All I want is a limit on the number of “I was there and I done this and then I done that” tell-alls about every conflict EVER. How much is this latest version of Blah-Blah True Hero going to add to the sum of human knowledge? Or is it just aimed at the sad Territorial tragics, who will catalogue it somewhere alongside their Andy McNab and Sven Hassel potboilers?

  • harpo

    ‘How much is this latest version of Blah-Blah True Hero going to add to the sum of human knowledge?’

    Donnacha:

    Probably a lot more than yet another book by Gerry Adams will, with his continuing claims that he wasn’t in the PIRA.

    How many more books can he create out of the same mix of blarney and straight out lies?

  • Donnacha

    God, don’t get me started on Belfast’s most successful unemployed barman. The overweening self-obsession of these people is what gets me. Do they honestly think they are THAT interesting? Or is it the size of the advance cheques being waved under their noses? I couldn’t possibly comment….

  • McGrath

    STOP THE LIGHTS…..

    Does anyone have any information as to what high school / grammar school this Kevin Fulton / Peter Keeley went to?

    I have done some research and if the photo of this guy is real, I have a chilling feeling I went to school with this guy. If so, I have some intriguing information to share.

  • heck

    Here we go again

    This guy is a few chips short of a fish supper.

    He was recruited into the British Army, then persuaded to go back to his home town and kill people, and then, when the brits were finished with him they tried to kill him. They considered him one more disposable paddy. Just like the British establishment looks at the rest of us.

    And this is the shower he aligned himself with. I don’t know who is the more stupid, him or the community that wants to be ruled by these b******s. (Oh yea –it’s because they are opposed to violence!)

    This shows up the corruption that is at the heart of British rule in Norn Iron.

    The police know who he is and who he has murdered. (he has all but admitted it). If the PSNI/UVF, that you all want me to support, where really about “upholding the law” he would have been arrested by now.

    If the prosecution service was about “the rule of law” he, his handlers, and his political puppet masters would be on trial.

    And if all the crap that unionists post on this site about violence, the rule of law, murderers, criminality etc was anything more than an excuse to keep fenians in their place then they would be demanding that this murderer be behind bars.

    Instead I am waiting for some idiot to ask “well what was in his contract?”

  • crow

    I am suprised that so many are quick to dismiss his claims.

  • spice girl

    ‘And if all the crap that unionists post on this site about violence, the rule of law, murderers, criminality etc was anything more than an excuse to keep fenians in their place then they would be demanding that this murderer be behind bars.’

    ah ur losing the plot poor heck, take a chill pill mate. I’m sure the vast majority of unionists don’t give a toss about this guy – for al i care lock him up for life, but while you do that lock up his handlers, ra murderers and their SF handlers as well bud – or do you only wnat brits behind bars? aye, i thought so…

    the whole agent thing is a pretty hot potatoe, and one I find hard to accept. On the one hand, security agencies clearly need as much info about terrorist organisations/personel/equipment etc as possible, so how far can they go to obtain this info?? Is it acceptable to have an informer, whom you know is guilty of murder, but is suppleying you with information that is PREVENTING subsequent murders?
    A very difficult question. I guess if you;re the one fighting terrorist organisations you will got to any extreme to get the upper hand, however, if you’re the one who’s family member has be murdered by these untouchable agents then you ain;t gonna be too pleased.

    The next level is passing on info to these guys to get eliminate targets in the terrorist organistation, but I’ll leave my analysis of that one for another day!!

  • Fraggle

    Spice girl = Dan Quayle?

  • heck

    you all seem to forget–this guy was’nt a murderer who defected and gave information. He was recruited by the british and send out to murder irish people, and when there were done with him, they wanted him eliminated because he was considered some worthless mick who might come back and embarass them.

    But then again, we should worry about the important stuff. We will soon have Fair Deal back blogging about a broken window in cullybacky orange hall that might possibly, maybe, have been caused by someone who might possibly once have been a member of a possible illegal organisation. And therefore whe can’t have fenians in government. Forget about the little detail about the british government murdering irish people–well that’s whataboutery.

  • Yokel

    McGrath you are digging…cut it out

  • DK

    “He was recruited by the british and send out to murder irish people”

    This is a great moral connundrum. If we take at face value the KF claim that he saved more lives than he took on behalf of his 2 employees (IRA/Brits), then is that a good thing?

    Sort of like if you have the chance to kill Hitler in 1932, do you do it if it will save more lives than it costs?

    Obviously for republicans, Brit lives are worth zero, so if Kevin saved 100 Brit lives and caused the death of 1 republican then he has killed more than he saved. Which is why they hate him so.

  • heck

    Dk, it may be “a great moral connundrum” but it is not “the rule of law”. The difference between, say the dictatorship of Sadam, and “western democracies” is supposed to be “the rule of law”.

    Those who claim this certainly don’t mean order or absence of antisocial activities because there was little crime in Nazi Germany or pre occupation Iraq. The “law” is supposed to protect the citizen from the arbitrary use of executive power.

    There is no “rule of law” in Northern Ireland. The PSNI/UVF , the judiciary and the prosecution service will not get my support until there is.

    A thread about someone from Crossmaglen buying their cigarettes in Dundalk will attract 10s in not 100s of postings but the British government murdering people gets only a few.

    This convinces me that all the unionist bleating about “criminality” and support for the PSNI/UVF are nothing more that excuses for keeping fenians out of government.

  • skinbop

    heck – methinks you are a battered cod short of a fish supper. your state of mind causes me concern for your health.

  • heck

    skinbob
    Nice to see the tradition of deep thought is alive and well in the unionist community. If you wait a while I’m sure Fail Deal will have a thread on how some fenian stood on the toes of a good, god fearing, ulster Prod and how this shows SF are unfit for government.

    You can go there and jerk yourself with faux outrage over republican “criminality” and praise reports from lord alder-shite about a “culture of criminality” in the fenian communities. And if anyone tries to point out serious crimes by loyalists or the british government just remember the words “whataboutery” and “mopery”,. Based in unionist logic SF in not fit to be in a government that supports murder because they have supported murder. Yea, that makes sense to me.

    This guy, Kevin Fulton, has admitted to murdering people, If there was such a thing as a “rule of law” in Nor Iron the PSNI/UVF would have arrested him and his handlers but noooo. Not when there is some fenian out there without a TV license.

    Even if he is arrested it will be a Ken Barrett type of deal where he pleads guilty to protect his superiors and the British establishment, shuts up, and is given his money and a new identity.

  • skinbop

    heck – your have some mental fixation on this subject, do you have trouble sleeping at night? you’re not a SF councillor by any chance?
    perhaps we should hand mr fulton over to the provos so they can administer justice instead?

    skinbop

  • heck

    Skinbob

    Of course I am fixated on this. This is about the government murdering people. It is not some James Bond novel. What gets me is how the bloggers on this site can get so exercised about some farmer smuggling a box of cigarettes or a tank of diesel but seem so willing to let this slide and the only logical reason I can come up with is sectarianism ie its ok if we do it but really really evil if you do

    Who can forget the nauseating hypocrisy of Jack Straw when, at the UN, he lectured Syria about not investigating the murder of Rafiq Harire, This was shortly after he had voted for the inquires bill which covered up the murder of Pat Finucane and who hid one of the masterminds in his Chinese embassy. He was so pompous and lectured the Syrians with that patronizing attitude of superiority that only a British politician is capable of.

    These are the same people who lecture us about the rule of law and support for the PSNI/UVF. There is no rule of law in nor Iron. There is only the desire for the british government to do what it wants and for the croppies to lie down.

    PS. I see that Johnson Brown was arrested. If the PSNI/UVF was full of people like him I could see myself giving them some measure of support. Is the an attempt by the establishment to silence whistle blowers who expose their “culture of criminality”? (sorry alder-shite it is only fenians who have a “culture of criminality”!)

  • skinbop

    heck – its skinbop and its difficult to have a sensible discussion when you are getting over-excited. croppies – calm down! 😎

  • Patrique

    Heck, you should be ashamed of yourself having a battle of wits with an unarmed man, the boul skinbop. The valid point about the rule of law and the state becomming terrorists is lost on the uneducated.

  • topdeckomnibus

    heck

    I think that you make good points about rule of law .. but that you let yourself down by label hanging.

    I do not pretend to know what it was/is like for a resident of Northern Ireland.

    But in 84 the Kent miners faced a police force who were acting unlawfully. Southall Sikhs sent food to help feed the families of the Kent miners.

    Do you honestly believe that we have the proper rule of law in England ?

    The late John Allen (chairman of a Ramsgate residents assn) tried to put thirty complaints against Kent Police. Sir David Phillips (who I objected to deploying on the Rosemary Nelson case) Chief constable refused crime complaint and complaint status in all 30 cases.

    One of these cases was about a white man choking with a blocked airway whilst police failed to give first aid and yet videoed for evidence.

    John merely asked the Chief constable to view the video to determine the truth ( a man came out of the pub fought off police and gave life saving CPR it seems).

    At that time the black “community” in London Stephen Lawrence inquiry were convinced that blacks are singled out for worse treatment by police than whites. And much was made of the allegation that Met failed to attempt first aid for Stephen.

    John and I did our bit to change the law to create the independent police complaints commission.

    With regard to Kevin Fulton and the other chap Martin Ingram. Yes it is my view that they think they played an important role and because of their belief in that .. it is all the easier for them to project that as the truth and reveal detail by which they aggrandize themselves as experts with top grade insider knowledge.

    My view is that they are by way of experts in the pecking order of the playground but are unaware of what went on in the staff room.

    I do not have any insider knowledge. I believe that I was used as a dupe by Special Branch in England particularly in 1971 and 1972.

    Yesterday I was in Court (being treated like a piece of crap on his shoe by a Judge in my view) because I issued proceedings against the Suffolk Chief constable seeking answers about 1971 and 1972.

    This is to do with a suspected asset of the IRA acquiring information of use to the Soviet. The issue (if I can get it to issue under our justice system) is the extent (if any) that the Suffolk Chief constable put his force at the disposal of Special Branch requirements.

    In the tragedy of Ireland it may be the case that you feel what is one death.

    But the one death I am concerned with is that of Matron McGill at the HQ of the Sue Ryder Homes in 1972 .. for whom I was appointed Pc HM Coroners Officer .. refusing an attempt by a DI to order me to destroy forensic.

    I made mistake(s) … bottled really. Mitigation might be that I had just returned from compassionate leave after the death of our baby boy .. but it is not really a matter for mitigation. I was not corrupted and I doubt if I had done everything right in 72 that it would have made any difference as in my view the Coroner did not represent a means to promote justice in the case (hope you let me get awau with that Mick Fealty ?)

    What happened after my abrupt removal from the case was that an inquest sat without the knowledge of the family. The famly were misled that death was natural causes and they were conned out of cremation consents. After only a short autopsy procedure Matron McGill was cremated and only then were the family left to discover the truth (drowning in home lake .. suicide verdict at secret inquest) from condolence letters.

    Because of freedom of information in Matron McGill’s native New Zealand I have the Home Office report which was the response to the New Zealand Govt who in 72 tried to re-open the Suffolk Inquest (I first found out about this in 1992 twenty years after resigning police). The report from Chief constable via Home Office to the NZ Govt is a pack of lies. Some of those lies are attributed to an anonymous officer identifiable as me.

    I am suing .. but just got struck out on statute bar limitation.

    What is done in Ireland is done in our name and I would like you Heck to acknowledge that.

    Bear in mind that people like Airey Neave (a trustee of the Sue Ryder charity) were allegedly invlved in plans to prescribe the proper government in this country because democracy had clearly got it wrong.

  • skinbop

    Patrique – “The valid point about the rule of law and the state becomming terrorists is lost on the uneducated.”

    Que? Moi?

  • harpo

    ‘He was recruited into the British Army, then persuaded to go back to his home town and kill people, and then, when the brits were finished with him they tried to kill him. They considered him one more disposable paddy. Just like the British establishment looks at the rest of us.’

    heck:

    You say all that like it’s a bad thing.

    What’s your point?

  • skinbop

    harpo – heck’s logic is pretty twisted. i have genuine concerns for him – maybe you should send him some of your chill pills, they seem to be working out for you these days. 😉

  • harpo

    ‘What gets me is how the bloggers on this site can get so exercised about some farmer smuggling a box of cigarettes or a tank of diesel but seem so willing to let this slide’

    heck:

    Didn’t you know there was a war on? That’s what I keep on being told. Nasty things happen in war they say.

  • harpo

    skinbop:

    I’m always well chilled.

    What’s the chill pill thing about?

  • skinbop

    hmmm thinking of some posts here around the 12th, don’t worry about it, maybe a side effect… 😉

  • heck

    I will stop now. It seems like you guys must have taken some good UDA crack.