PUP barks at “snake” & helps dinosaur…

The DUP has criticised NI Secretary Peter Hain’s assertion that the IRA has completely ended all paramilitary and criminal activity. Meanwhile, the PUP has criticised the DUP’s assertion that it was never involved in paramilitary activity. Which the UUP might benefit from…From the Irish News interview with PUP chairwoman Dawn Purvis, who set a precedent recently by becoming the first member of a party with paramilitary links to sit on the Policing Board:

“Former paramilitaries came up to me, told me ‘the hypocrisy of [the DUP] would make you sick’,” Ms Purvis said.

“One said, ‘I remember guarding Paisley with a gun down my trousers outside his house in east Belfast.’

“Another said to me, ‘I remember when Paisley was going round in the back of a flat-bed lorry and there was armed men around him. He wasn’t complaining then.’

“There is absolute hypocrisy. [Loyalists] have always known the DUP speak with a forked tongue or, as some people put it, out the back of their hand.”

Last night a DUP spokesman said he did not want to comment on “such allegations”.

The DUP’s Nigel Dodds claimed that Peter Hain was living in fantasy land if he thought the IRA had quit criminal activity. It’s a central plank of the DUP’s resistance to re-entering government with Sinn Fein. Ms Purvis’ accusation seems aimed at undermining the DUP’s moral authority to sit in judgment of others’ dealings with paramilitaries. She’s essentially asking: “Given its history, does the DUP really have the right to lecture others on links to paramilitarism?”

Unlike Sinn Fein, the PUP has been pretty open about its relationship with the UVF, sparing us the doublespeak of their SF counterparts and occasionally even being quite frank about the link. If they can refrain from ‘playing the (wo)man’, can DUP supporters convincingly refute Dawn’s accusation of “hypocrisy”?

And if they can’t, would that make it harder for the DUP to criticise the PUP’s new ‘brother in arms’, Sir Reg Empey’s UUP, for welcoming PUP leader David Ervine into his UUP fold?

  • na

    Here’s the full IN piece (Doran can sue me):

    By Sharon O’Neill Chief Reporter

    ARMED loyalist paramilitaries once guarded the home of DUP leader Ian Paisley, a member of the Policing Board has claimed.

    PUP chairwoman Dawn Purvis said UVF members believed the DUP’s criticism of her role on the Policing Board was hypocritical.

    She said UVF members asked why DUP activists did not object when armed men guarded Mr Pais-ley’s home and accompanied him at political rallies.

    The DUP, along with other members of the Policing Board, was scathing of the British government’s decision to give a seat on the body to a party linked to the UVF months after it had refused to recognise the paramilitary group’s ceasefire.

    However, Ms Purvis, pictured, insisted that, despite being linked to ongoing violence and organised crime, the UVF was no threat to the peace process and nationalists had nothing to fear.

    In her first in-depth interview since taking up her new role on the Policing Board the 39-year-old hit out at her DUP critics.

    “Former paramilitaries came up to me, told me ‘the hypocrisy of [the DUP] would make you sick’,” Ms Purvis said.

    “One said, ‘I remember guarding Paisley with a gun down my trousers outside his house in east Belfast.’

    “Another said to me, ‘I remember when Paisley was going round in the back of a flat-bed lorry and there was armed men around him. He wasn’t complaining then.’

    “There is absolute hypocrisy. [Loyalists] have always known the DUP speak with a forked tongue or, as some people put it, out the back of their hand.”

    Last night a DUP spokesman said he did not want to comment on “such allegations”.

    In a wide-ranging interview, Ms Purvis said she was worried by rac-ist attacks attributed to loyalists.

    “I do worry about that,” she said.

    “There is a racist element in all communities and racists exploit that. While there would be paramilitaries that are racist, the leadership absolutely abhors it.”

    She added: “The whole process of migrant workers coming in has not been managed well.”

    But she insisted there were “good signs” the UVF was attempting to halt all activities.

    “I don’t think the UVF is a threat to the peace process. The nationalist community has nothing to fear from the UVF. The good signs are there. We have seen it over the last couple of weeks. Look at the whole parades thing,” she said.

    “Decommissioning would be good for the whole community. I see [the UVF’s] transformation as more important at the moment than decommissioning.”

  • na

    ‘Dawn Purvis, who set a precedent recently by becoming the first member of a party with paramilitary links to sit on the Policing Board’

    If you believe Dawn and others, the DUP were the first party with ‘paramilitary links’ to take places on the Board.

  • na

    The IN reporter should have asked did the UVF ever provide this ‘service’ to other Unionist representatives.

  • heck

    “Former paramilitaries came up to me, told me ‘the hypocrisy of [the DUP] would make you sick’,” Ms Purvis said

    replace [ the DUP] with [unionists and the british government] and I would agree

  • JR

    If the Demon Doctor turns down power share on the 24th of November he will no longer have the main Loyalist Para’s to threaten the government with. Plan B will already be agreed with the main Republican and Loyalist parties, so he will be left out on a limb looking sillier than ever.

  • For the umpteenth fuuuucking time: the problem for Disgusted of Hitherto UUP votersville is not that the Paisleyites behaved like Yahoos, and in the process attracted s*c*u*m. It’s that the sodding UUP, previously FOR law and order NOW formally links itself to criminal lowlifes like the PUP. And WE’RE going to respond in one of three ways: (1) by holding our noses and voting DUP in future. Since the DUP, whatever they have done in the past, now have a future [thanks Turtle for that formulation], whereas the fricking UUP is moving in manifestly the wrong direction. Or (2) we’re not going to vote. Or, madly enough, we’re going to (3) vote for fringe parties like the local Tories or the yellah fellas. None of this is good news for what little there is left of the UUP. Or to explain that one stage further to the typing pool: NO MLAs, soon enough NO MP, and post-local government’s reorganisation (rightly predicted by, ahem), next to bugger all Cllrs. And guess what: fiddled Lords expenses won’t cover your salaries. Time to raid King’s pension scheme?

  • Fraggle

    I wonder if the ‘gun down his trousers’ was one of the weapens Ulster Resistance imported.

    Where did all those Ulster Resistance weapons go?

  • Frustrated Democrat

    Karl

    Vote for the local Tories.

    I hope they are the GB party in real power after the next election and some votes here might focus their minds.

    Plus their local policies are better than any othe ‘unionist party’

  • ‘Where did all those Ulster Resistance weapons go’?

    Well since you ask, they a.) existed and exist in massive quantities, of course they did, have you any idea of the storage capacity of yer average Orange Order Free P UFO? (ignore any common sensical objections on this point) b.) are maintained in a series of scattered dumps throughout the Province (though the government are told they don’t exist – and they’re spackish enough to believe this!), c.) they’re used in a decades long campaign of squalid sectarian murder personally directed by Peter Robinson (who when he’s not having his neighbours gunned down because he doesn’t like their political opinions/the fact that they own farms on the border/are a different religion to him/are cutting him out of some drug dealing action, is v keen on tying his own comrades and co-religionists to chairs in upstairs rooms in Derry backstreets and oh so bravely beating tied men to death), & d.) er no, wait, I’ve got that the wrong way round, haven’t I? Crumbs, think how upset you must be about that given yer gassing about ‘Ulster – it REALLY exists – Resistance!

  • JR

    Jaysus Karl I wouldn’t want to bump into you in a dark alley. Dude you should ask your GP for help.

  • Bushmills

    Why would paramilitaries gaurd Paisley’s house when he’s had police protection for the best part of 40 years. Dawn Purvis is telling porkies.

  • Pete Baker

    Actually, na and anyone else interested,

    Newshound has the full text

    Including this, from the Chair of the PUP and member of the Policing Board – as appointed by the Secretary of State for Wales and Northern Ireland [and wannabe Deputy Prime Minister] Peter Hain –

    “The [Independent Monitoring Commission] is good at telling us this stuff [the UVF link to violence], the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee, we have been hearing this for years.

    “Where are the arrests, where are the charges?” she says.

    Sounds awfully familiar..

    And here’s another gem..

    “People depend on paramilitaries for certain things. They are like social workers, they get their doors knocked day and night about a noisy neighbour, a fight in the street.”

    That is what the NIO, Hain, Blair, Ahern, and not forgetting Powell, think is the best we can hope for..

  • JR

    The question should be why hasn’t Paisley denied it?

    Maybe he’s worried about other REVELATIONS!!

  • lib2016

    There are a lot of politicans who don’t seem to want to discuss the colour of their wallpaper as Irvine put it.

    So far republicans have been under pressure. It’s early days yet of course but the really interesting thing is that it was the Brits who picked Dawn.

    Hard to know just what they meant to prove by it but one can hope.

  • bertie

    I think that someone in the PUP has a hell of a cheek even commenting about links with terrorist groups and it is disgusting that she is on the Policing Board!

  • Bushmills

    JR

    I doubt that Ian Paisley is running scared of Dawn “200 votes” Purvis. This is standard PUP-guff and it clearly isn’t rooted in fact at all. Let these paramilitaries who supposedly gaurded Paisley’s home come out and tell us when this actually occurred.

    Paisley, in common with most high-profile politicians, has had police protection for nearly 40 years, why would he need anyone else to protect his home? The woman is telling lies.

  • Gum

    David Ervine said something similar in the assembly years ago. He said he was fed up with hypocrasy and told the assembly about sitting in the homes of members of the DUP and UUP, not as a member of the PUP but as a member of the UVF.

  • I too am fed up with ‘hypocrasy’, and wish that this word [sic] was automatically replaced by hash symbols.

  • Bushmills

    Gum

    Yes Ervine did say that. So what? Does it make it true? Why didn’t he name the politicians in question if its true?

    Now back to the issue in hand. Why would Ian Paisley who has had police bodygaurds for nearly 40 years need the UV’s, who have always hated his guts, to guard his house?

  • Bushmills

    Karl

    Indeed. H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y. FFS, it’s not that hard!

  • Garibaldy

    Are people seeriously denying that Paisley and co at times worked hand in glove with paramilitaries?
    1974? 1977? And that’s for a start.

  • Bushmills

    Garibaldy

    A specific allegation was made that paramilitaries guarded Ian Paisley’s home. I feel I have demonstrated why this could not possibly have happened.

  • Garibaldy

    Bushmills,

    Depends on what one means by guarding his home. For example, armed men at the bottom of the street or sitting outside it in a car could count. Also, did the police protection stick around during the UWC strike, rallies etc? Would they have been safe, or would they have withdrawn to a safe distance? I presume for part of it they were around, but not while Ian was in meetings with the council, which included many well-know paramilitaries.

    And IF that house allegation is wrong, what about the flat-bed truck?

    The fact Bushmills is that when it has suited, Paisley and the DUP have cooperated with loaylist paramilitaries. And not just in thr 1970s. At times when they refused to share studios with PSF, they appeared alongside loyalist paramilitaries at rallies in the 1990s. They’re not the only ones guilty of such behaviour, but they can’t pretend never to have done so.

  • Gum

    Is Ervine lying then, Bushmills? Why would he want to do that? You want to talk about hypocrasy? The DUP position on paramilitaries will suit fine! How can they can share platforms with sectarian murderers or attend paramilitary commemorations when holding the office of mayor and hope to maintain some moral high ground?

    We’re not going to ever settle this – if the DUP seriously love Ulster then they will put its interests first, draw a line under whats happened in the past and move on like the rest of us. But I can just picture the DUP in 100 years time still moaning about the ’69-’97 conflict.