The fraudulent invasion of Ireland…

This is one that may interest Sharon and the team at 1169. Though it is too late to anything about it now, it seems the orginal papal document the Laudibiliter, which Henry II interpreted to mean he was granted Lordship over Ireland by the only ‘multi-national’ in existence back then, was frauded up by dropping three crucial paragraphs. More of an historical curio than anything else. Photos from the programme here.

  • Rory

    Yes, I listened to this. Gives a whole new meaningto the term ‘Papal Bull’.

    Still good early practice for the Parnell scandal and the Zinoviev letter and the Hitler Diaries – and they didn’t even have a Times journalist around to help with the forgery.

  • Nevin

    Mick, perhaps Duggan has done a little ‘sexing up’ of her own. Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t the alleged missing paragraphs appear in a document to a French king after the one to the English king? It seems strange that the programme makers didn’t travel to the Vatican to track down any possible correspondence between the Pope and Henry before and after Henry’s trip to Ireland.

    PS Thompson adds to the usual confusion by not distinguishing between Ireland-32 and Ireland-26. And then there’s his curious assertion about England’s claim, the Queen’s claim over Northern Ireland …

  • Prince Eoghan

    “PS Thompson adds to the usual confusion by not distinguishing between Ireland-32 and Ireland-26. And then there’s his curious assertion about England’s claim, the Queen’s claim over Northern Ireland …”

    Posted by Nevin on Jul 18, 2006 @ 10:41 AM

    Don’t worry Nevin, I’m sure that this historical anomoly that you speak of will be sorted in due course. Just a little bit more patience with Unionism until it finally see’s sense;¬)

  • Nevin

    Eoghan, I think stubbornness could well be a shared trait here. Don’t hold your breath for the likes of Thompson to make sense of our historical complexities!!

  • Slartibuckfast

    The Vatican, Nevin. Be scared.

  • Nevin

    Ne Metus, Br Slarti, Ne Formidilosus ….

  • DavidD

    Reminds me of the old example of graffiti – ‘Archduke Ferdinand found alive, first world war a mistake’.

  • Ciaran Irvine

    It seems strange that the programme makers didn’t travel to the Vatican to track down any possible correspondence between the Pope and Henry before and after Henry’s trip to Ireland.

    Because, IIRC, there is absolutely no record in the Vatican archives of Laudibiliter being genuine, nothing at all to back it up, no corrobarating correspondance…nothing.

    Hence the persistent rumours ever since that it was a complete forgery.

  • Rory

    Bloody hell, Ciaran, you appear to have gone further than Dan Brown (or even Lord Archer) has gone before.

    How did you sneak into the Vatican archives past the ever vigilant Swiss Guard?

    Don’t tell me – you borrowed your Auntie Mary Ellen’s wedding guest outfit and slipped past disquised as Mary Kenny. Brilliant!

  • harpo

    ‘Though it is too late to anything about it now, it seems the orginal papal document the Laudibiliter, which Henry II interpreted to mean he was granted Lordship over Ireland by the only ‘multi-national’ in existence back then, was frauded up by dropping three crucial paragraphs.’

    Well at least the English HAD a document of some sort.

    What did the Celts have to justify their invasion?