Stringfellows closes Dublin club

Stringfellows lapdancing club in Dublin has closed down after just four months saying it is unable to meet its financial obligations. Residents around Parnell Street, where the club was situated, have protested against Stringfellows from the beginning and were still mounting a protest up to the end. The club said in a statement that the protests had led to some reluctance to visit the club amongst the corporate sector.

  • Keith M

    Power to the people. One up for the northside inner citizens. This week the GAA are also trying to come to a new accomodation with local residents before rugby and football finally get played at Croke Park.

  • Henry94

    A great victory for the local people. I am delighted for them. Their campaign was a classic example of how ordinary people can achieve extrodinary things. They got little enough media coverage but their picket on the ground closed down the club.

    You could call it Putting Irish Manners on Pornographers.

  • Rory

    Wonderful news! Well done Parnell Street.

    Peter Stringfellow – psshaw! String ‘im up better still. If I catch that stringy fellow trying to dance in Herself’s lap he’ll be wishing he was left to the tender mercies of Parnell Street.

    It would be a good idea if all those 100 poor girls he recruited and now made redundant were to all get together and dance on him, all singing together like Tina Turner, “You’re simply the worst!”

  • Sounds like Big Ian and the Free P’s were down there protesting

  • Rory

    Well if they had been, Cybez, I would have supported them on that and I bet so would the people of Parnell Street. If Paisley prays for rain during a drought would you have us all pray for the drought to continue just to spite him?

  • Fanny

    Good riddance. Parnell Street was tacky enough without Mr. Stringfellow’s seedy presence.

  • Rory,
    Aye them line dancers it’s of the divil😉

  • Rory

    No, Cybez,

    There is no “Yippee-aye-yea” about this sad affair apart from the victory of the people of Parnell Street and the Devil don’t come into it.

    All freely given mutual expression of joyous sexual activity is God given. The exploitation of the repression of that joy, driven by monetary greed and fuelled by the economic exploitation and debasement of dignity of others, falls far short of that simple truth.

    In short, so you will understand what I mean, wanking is fine with God and so is wanking with your mate, and so even is asking him for money if you’re a bit short (in the money department, that is) – what is not ok is then becoming obsessive about the monetary exchange part of it and losing the joy. Then add to that some big tough guy making you charge more and demanding you “do” it “better” and then taking all the dosh anyway and now you’re worse off.

    Now you might say “OK, I can live with that, at least he let’s me breathe and I get to eat three square meals a month”, would you be happy in your soul for your sister or daughter to be happy living like that?

    OK, so I lied, that really wasn’t so “in short” as I promised. But I can live with that part. You live with the rest if you choose.

  • Gerry Lvs Castro

    ”wanking is fine with God and so is wanking with your mate”

    It is? Wow thanks Rory I’m on the case right now — just look what I’ve been missing all these years.
    Seriously though why do you God-botherers reckon the big guy (it’s always a guy isn’t it) is so obsessed with our dangly bits?

  • Prince Eoghan

    Rory.

    ’’wanking is fine with God and so is wanking with your mate’’

    I personally have never missed a stroke.
    Got your point about “the game”, I do believe some do it of their own free will though. And I don’t believe stringfellow has ever been involved in that aspect to be fair. Sleazy auld git that he is.

  • I think I’ll stick to watching the Wank Webcam

  • It’s a good job too. What next- women in short skirts? Quick fumbles behind the bike shed?

  • Prince Eoghan

    I’ve actually been to the Wankdorf(think cockney) stadium to watch the fitba in Switzerland. I must say it was a pleasant experience. We lost but I couldn’t have given a toss.

    Incidently the team that plays at the Wankdorf are big favourites of a certain monkey-loving ex pal of Macauley Caulkin.

    http://www.stadiumguide.com/wankdorfneu.htm

  • Prince Eoghan

    Sorry couldn’t let this one go either.

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=337901&cc=5739

    The headline is what to look out for. A cracker.

  • I’ll not be buying any salads today, waldorf or any of the “tossed” variety. You’d never know what’s been added 😉

  • “I’ve actually been to the Wankdorf(think cockney) stadium to watch the fitba in Switzerland. I must say it was a pleasant experience. We lost but I couldn’t have given a toss.”

    Was it hard getting there? Was Seaman playing that night? Switzerland’s quite expensive though- you must have blown a load (of money).

  • Prince Eoghan

    Mat.

    I blew a wad alright, she had to wipe the remnants of me off the floor when I came home.

  • páid

    I confess I have met Mr S in a minor way over a business matter. He’s not a bad lad IMHO, but has a typical Yorkshire regard for the folding stuff.

    The word on the bog is that this is what has led to the demise of the club, a franchise affair.

    That, and underestimating the staying power of your genuine bleedin’ Dub.

    Watch out for a re-appearance in a community with less spirit, – God knows there are enough of them in this Tiger-blighted State.

  • PHIL

    Many years ago I asked Anders Limpar in the players bar at Highbury what it was like playing with Young Boys. He just smiled, made his excuses and started talking to someone else. In my defence I was very, very drunk!

  • Prince Eoghan

    Sounds like you were on a mission Phil, ever been to that neverland ranch?

  • Rory

    I see I’ve started something here all right. Lots of interest from the ‘flying solo’ club.

    Cybez, it was you introduced the God/Devil prudery connection here:

    “Aye them line dancers it’s of the divil;-)”,

    which was implying that the resident’s objections were motivated by the repression of religious sexual prudery. My argument is that that is bollocks. It is clubs like Stringfellows that thrive on prudery and sexual repression as the sex industry as a whole does and that a person with a healthy spirituality is the one most sexually free. The punters are more likely the ones suffering guilt trips induced by their acceptance of the unwholesome sex-bashing prudery from religious zealots totally lacking in spirituality.

    Now if you’ll excuse me, as Herself has gone shopping, I think I’ll just get down to my shorts (well it is hot here) and settle down with a Catherine Zeta-Jones movie with a big box of tissues to hand (it’s a weepie – OK?).

  • Joking aside,“all those 100 poor girls he recruited” there all someones daughter, sister etc etc… It’s sad that any woman has to resort to finding employment in whats termed the “sex industry” but what do they do after the club is closed? Who else will take over manipulating/exploiting them now? Is it better the devil you know?

  • Gerry Lvs Castro

    ”It’s sad that any woman has to resort to finding employment in whats termed the “sex industry”

    In 21st Century Ireland, with virtually full employment, I’m at a loss as to why any woman would have to ‘resort’ to taking this sort of job. I suspect rather that the potential earnings from ‘lap dancing’ far outweigh the rewards of supermarket checkouts and restaurant work. No-one was forcing the women in this particular establishment to do what they did and there was no question of illegality involved, so exactly what was the problem?

  • maura

    This is an excellent development. Well done to the residents.
    I am not a prude and believe sexuality is something that should be explored openly and without guilt in any society. But nudie bars and lap dances are not about sexuality- they are about exploitation and money making. Keep the stripping and lap dances to the privacy of a relationship/encounter- much more sensuous that way.

  • Rory

    Right on, Maura. The punters demean themselves, take power only in the debasement of the women and all lose out on the true sexual joy in mutual shared genorisity between open and willing people.
    Meanwhile the sleaze profiteers are coining it -and working for shit wages in Tesco’s or Superquinn is able to be lauded for its respectability and opportunity for ‘a decent life’ by the holy preachers with a vested interest in supermarket shares.

    When I see pricks like Stringfellow around I think maybe it’s time to get digging for something buried earlier beneath the compost heap.

  • Similar venues are fairly commonplace in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver. Nobody is demonstrating at the corner that I’ve heard of. No wrath of God in evidence as yet either.

    Pity Ireland’s righteous and indignant weren’t faster to pick up on kids being abused in the churches. No demos to speak of back then. The big hush hush went on for how long? Centuries? I don’t think any of us really know because it was so well covered up by the servants of Christ.

    Obvious stuff like Stringfellows is less injurious, notn to mention less hypocritical. At least he doesn’t claim to be a representitive of Jesus on earth.

    I’ll take Peter over a dodgy priest any day.

  • maura

    ‘Similar venues are fairly commonplace in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver. Nobody is demonstrating at the corner that I’ve heard of. No wrath of God in evidence as yet either.

    Pity Ireland’s righteous and indignant weren’t faster to pick up on kids being abused in the churches. No demos to speak of back then. The big hush hush went on for how long? Centuries? I don’t think any of us really know because it was so well covered up by the servants of Christ.

    Obvious stuff like Stringfellows is less injurious, notn to mention less hypocritical. At least he doesn’t claim to be a representitive of Jesus on earth.

    I’ll take Peter over a dodgy priest any day. ‘

    I am not sure how lap dance joints and priests who abuse children are related. Unless you are arguing that there is some sort of tolerance for the priests? I personally have yet to meet a person who approves of the abuse carried out by sick priests who used their positions within our society to prey on children. Not a one!
    Lap dance /strip joints are not a remedy nor do they contribute positively to any society. I am not a feminist, howling about abuse of women, I simply feel sorry for people who feel a need to frequent these sort of establishments to act out some power trip they may be on. I say power, because it is certainly can’t be about sexual gratification? I fail to understand the thrill in these places, for either men or women. It is all just a bit too pitiful in my opinion, but that’s just me!
    I remember my father once preaching to my brothers about stuff like this. He used to say, ‘if it is not situation you would want your mother or sister to be in in their lives, you probably shouldn’t want it for any woman.’ A good measure, in my opinion.

  • Gerry Lvs Castro

    ”if it is not situation you would want your mother or sister to be in in their lives, you probably shouldn’t want it for any woman.’’

    Patronising comment #46. Maura don’t you perhaps think it’s the women’s own decision to take up this type of employment? Men (particularly religious ones) have done the thinking for women for centuries, ensuring such ‘evils’ as contraception for one are kept at bay. No-one is forcing these women to work in these clubs.
    These lap-dancing establishments aren’t to everyone’s taste (that’s why there’s a pavement outside so you can walk past), but they’re infinitely preferable to back-street prostitution which Dubliners appear to prefer. Personally I find the sight of Peter Stringfellow and his latest teenage squeeze on TV chat shows quite obnoxious, but isn’t it better for frustrated blokes with little chance of scoring in real life frequenting these places than lining the pockets of pimps and drug dealers?
    As Aidan so ably pointed out, the inhabitants of Ireland in general seemed content to suffer centuries of clerical abuse behind closed doors, but can’t tolerate something as tame as a lap-dancing club ‘in their faces.’ Get a grip folks — if other ‘civilised’ democracies can tolerant this sort of thing, why the hell should Ireland be so precious about it? It’s hardly our ‘high moral standards’ now is it?

  • Henry94

    GLC

    The club failed to make money and it went to the wall. There is no point in whining about it unless you think there should be a state subsidy for lap dancing clubs in order to impose them on the people of the area.

    The people of the north inner city were never in power and were not responsible for the abuses in the institutions of the state or the church. In fact they would have suffered from them disproportionately.

    It is a fundamental democratic principle that people have the right to peaceful protest. What the residents found was that people were supportive of their position once it was explained. The protesters deliberately excluded religious arguments from their case which was based on the residential nature of the area and the unwelcome element the club would attract.

  • Henry94

    The common features of abuse and institutional abuse in particular, are misuse of power and lack of accountibility.

    Defference and lack of accuntibility was a feature of Irish society. By standing up for themselves and taking responsibility the residents are doing exactly the opposite of what people did in the past.

  • Rory

    To those who have argued against the action of the residents in deterring customers from this place I would like to hear an argument for retrieving the loss that this closure has cost the community.

    I am open to all arguments. Some crude variations on Benthamite utilitarianism have already been advanced – “A slow Stringfellow wank stops them going behind the pub for a quicker one with the local pimp’s income source” sort of thing. I remain unconvinced by this argument.

    Let us imagine for a moment a likely scenario if this haven of relief were to have remained:

    Paedophile priest (in mufti): Hello missus! Is that place near here?

    Oul’ one: What place is that, mister?

    Priesty: You know – the private place.

    Oul’ One: Janey Mac, whydidnit ye say so? I didn’t know you was a paedo, father”

  • TAFKABO

    ’if it is not situation you would want your mother or sister to be in in their lives, you probably shouldn’t want it for any woman.’’

    I don’t buy this argument.

    I wouldn’t want any of my female relatives to be forced to work in McDonalds, but I still enjoy the occasional Big Mac.
    I can find absolutely no coherent argument against sex as a commodity that doesn’t come down to prudery. The fact is that exploitation is all part and parcel of capitalism, I still maintian the woman who flashes her tits for three minutes and get’s paid thirty quid for her troubles is a lot less exploited than the woman who has to do menial labour for half a day in order to earn the same amount of cash.

    If I wan’t to spend money for sexual pleasure,and someone freely offers to provide that sexual pleasure in exchange for cash, then it’s nobodys business but mine and theirs.

  • Prince Eoghan

    “I can find absolutely no coherent argument against sex as a commodity that doesn’t come down to prudery. The fact is that exploitation is all part and parcel of capitalism,”

    I’m sure the tens of thousands of eastern European, east Asian and African women tricked or forced into being prosies. I aint no prude but closing my eyes to the trafficking of humans doesn’t do it for me.
    If someone is more than happy to sell their arse of their own cognition, fair play to them. Not something I would encourage me oe mine to be part of though, as buyer or seller.

  • Animus

    Exploitation is not necessarily about force is it? It’s about opportunity or lack thereof. I wonder if the rewards of lap dancing are substantially better than working at Tesco’s. I’m sure the hours at Tesco’s are more social though.

    TAFKABO – unfortunately, the transaction you describe is not that simple, it’s rarely between two people. Very few prostitutes are set up independently and keep their own money.
    I don’t quite understand why so many men (it’s usually men) justify lap dancing by saying that it’s good for the women. I don’t agree with the argument that if you pay enough, people aren’t be exploited. How much does self-respect go for these days? If you make more money as a prostitute than a teacher, should you ditch the teaching job?

  • Fanny

    “If someone is more than happy to sell their arse of their own cognition, fair play to them.”

    I never met a prostitute (and I’ve met lots) who went into the “trade” voluntarily. Contrary to silly movies and the like, it’s no fun. It’s sordid and it’s tacky.

  • Rory

    “I can find absolutely no coherent argument against sex as a commodity…

    Freud need not have bothered to open the door into the dark and to have so shone a light onto the causes of the psychis malaise occassioned by the depersonalisation of perhaps the most profound area of human activuty.

    I could not have believed it possible that any caring human being could honestly not be aware of the terrible psychic dangers that await either partner in an exchange of the physical manifestation of love debased to a mere commodity exchange. Indeed I would be concerned for those who are able to hold that view. I could understand it as the passing flippancy of callow youth untroubled by any great emotional experience but from a mature adult it worries me.

  • Fanny

    Very well formulated, Rory. You don’t need to be a prude to see where it all leads. Just take a stroll by daylight through any red-light district anywhere in the world but especially in the Far East. If you’re disgusted then think about how the participants must feel.

  • TAFKABO

    I could not have believed it possible that any caring human being could honestly not be aware of the terrible psychic dangers that await either partner in an exchange of the physical manifestation of love debased to a mere commodity exchange.

    Who was talking about love?, I was talking about sex. that some here cannot seperate the two merely strengthens my belief that they are motivated by some innate sense of their own moral values they feel they have the right to impose upon everyone else. I have heard pretty much the same argument regarding sex and love applied to arguments suggesting homosexual men be prohibited from having sex with each other.

    Indeed I would be concerned for those who are able to hold that view. I could understand it as the passing flippancy of callow youth untroubled by any great emotional experience but from a mature adult it worries me.

    Your concern is touching, if somewhat misplaced.

    Now as to some of the other aguments posited here, they are not so much an argument against prostitution as an argument against unregulated prostitution and what amounts to slavery. I see no evidence from those parts of the western world such as the Netherlands or Australia, where prositution is legal and regulated.
    Sex workers are just that, people who sell sex for a living.

    Next thing you’ll be telling me I’m at risk of going blind.

  • Fanny

    You’re on a slippery slope there, TAFKABO. Where do you draw the line? And who draws it? You? What is acceptable to you – clearly Amsterdam etc – but have you looked into the nastier places off the Oudezijds Achterburgwal? I’m guessing you wouldn’t like what you see.

  • Stephen Copeland

    Fanny,

    It must be the heat, or my testosterone kicking in, but against my usual habits I agree with TAFKABO.

    Nothing forced is good, of that I’m sure we all agree. Hence any sex worker who is forced into it is a slave, pure and simple. But any who choses the ‘career’ for whatever reason (money, usually) is making a choice that we should respect.

    If someone wants to sell their body, no matter how tasteless the trade is, they should be free to do so. Just as I am free to sell my body (waist up, anyway) to my current employer.

    We are all too hung up on the fact that it involves the big taboo – sex.

  • Fanny

    Correction, Stephen, I’m “hung up” on the fact that it involves crime, drug addiction, violence and exploitation.

  • TAFKABO

    Correction, Stephen, I’m “hung up” on the fact that it involves crime, drug addiction, violence and exploitation.

    Isn’t this similar to what happened when America had prohibition?

    You’re argument seems to be that the trade is controlled by unscrupulous elements more than anything else.

  • Stephen Copeland

    Fanny,

    It involves those things largely because of its illegal (or at best semi-legal) status. In countries where it is fully legal (Germany, for example), it need not have any connection with drugs or violence, and if the women (and some men) do it voluntarily, then it cannot be considered exploitation.

    People who are drug addicts do all sorts of bad stuff to get their next fix – steal, mug, beg, work …. what is so different if they chose to sell their bodies in order to get the drug? It is the addiction that is bad, not necessarily the means of earning the money for the next hit. And frankly, it is less anti-social to prostitute yourself than to mug a persioner for her savings.

  • Fanny

    Isn’t it? Or has Mr. Stringfellow grown a set of scruples since I saw him last?

  • Fanny

    My last post was a reply to TAFKABO’s.

  • TAFKABO

    Fanny.

    Peter Stringfellow is probably a lot more generous to his employees than many of the large corporations the Irish government is begging to come to Ireland in order to exploit the locals.

  • Fanny

    I don’t doubt it, TAFKABO. But he’s still a dirtbag who lives on what we used to call “immoral earnings.”

  • Stephen Copeland

    Fanny,

    … has Mr. Stringfellow grown a set of scruples

    Mr Stringfellow does not (or should not) need to grow scruples. If prostitution (sorry, ‘lap dancing’) was legal and subject to the same controls as, say, modelling or ballet dancing, then he could continue to be the self-serving capitalist that I’m sure he is. Because his employees would be covered, like you and I, by social legislation covering pay, conditions, sickness, pensions, and so on.

    Very few business owners have ‘scruples’, which is why we need a government to pass laws to oblige them to do certain things in our interest.

    Why anyone would want to single out a ‘lap dancing’ club owner for special attention, I don’t know. Pretty much all employers are ‘dirtbags who live on what we used to call “immoral earnings.”’ In our new capitalist world, though, we recognise that it is not ‘immoral’ to profit from your employees – it is how entrepreneurs are rewarded, and without it there would be less entrepreneurship and less employment and wealth.

    I get the impression that you disapprove of prostitution, Fanny, and that is a valid position. But where that prostitution is legal and voluntary it seems that you are just trying to push your moral code onto other people, and that I cannot agree with. We have spent long enough here fighting against narrow-minded control of our lives, please don’t try to bring it back.

  • Fanny

    Stephen, take a second look at my 12:24 post. I’m not kidding when I say that any decent person, no matter how broad-minded, would be disgusted by some of the sights I’ve seen in the Far East and elsewhere.

    And here’s the thing. It wasn’t always thus. It has to start somewhere, usually with seemingly innocuous stuff like lap-dancing clubs. But before you can whistle Lily Marlene the pimps and gangstas have moved in and it’s too late. There’s usually no going back.

    These things are insidious. Let me give you a small example. I’ve noticed that high-street shops have begun to stock a line in Playboy merchandise. I’ve even seen Playboy duvets and pillows for little girls, toddlers. OK, what is Playboy? It’s a porn empire. So buy this stuff for your wee ones and get them used to thinking it’s OK and respectable. It’s just another brand, like Nike isn’t it?

    Like fuck it is. Because of Hugh Hefner’s penchant for blondes with pneumatic tits schoolgirls the world over are mutilating themselves, going anorexic, or committing suicide because they can’t measure up to an impossible ideal.

    Not so respectable now is it?

  • Stephen Copeland

    Fanny,

    You’ve no argument from me about the evils of the beauty myth, apart from the fact that it existed long before Hugh Hefner. I find the whole thing objectionable. But I was talking about the lap dancing/prostitution industry, and there I think that if it was legal there would be no more reason for the ‘gangstas’ to get involved than the restaurant trade, or greengrocers. Make it illegal though, and then you’ve definitely criminalised it, and taken away any chance of ‘rights’ for the workers. Think of the effects of prohibition on the growth of the mafia in the US, or their subsequent involvement in gambling.

  • Fanny

    With you all the way, Stephen. But I no more want it banned than you do. I honestly have no answers, just opinions. I understand though why the good folk of Parnell Street said “not in our hood.” First it’s lap dancing, then it’s … well, much worse stuff.

  • TAFKABO

    Fanny.

    I’m really not sure I understand your position here. On the one hand I do understand and share your concern for the exploitation and virtual slavery of any human being forced to be a sex worker. On the other hand it seems clear to me that this profession shall always exist and given that simple fact, we need to take control of it in order to offer rights and protection to those involved in the industry. Prohibition merely ensures that the worst case scenario, as outlined by yourself, is definately going to happen.

  • Rory

    Who was talking about love?, I was talking about sex

    Such touching innocennce, TAFKABO, that a divorce is possible. Have you ever attempted any of those other essential human activities without love? No? Give it a try sometime. Try defecating or urinating without love. Try taking in sustenance or water without love. Try taking shelter from the storm without love and then if you have mastered all those impossiibilities why not try for graduation and try breathing without love.

    And do please let us know the results.

  • TAFKABO

    Rory.

    Your last post is exactly the reason I don’t want other people to have control over my basic liberties.
    I don’t want your abstract to be my actualité.

  • Fanny

    Back home again. TAFKABO, I’m not in favour of prohibition either – of anything: drink, drugs, sex, Westlife, the Corrs.

    You’re dead right that prohibition ensures the shite. What I’m wondering is: can we do away with the “need” for lap-dancing clubs? In my book there’s something weird about a guy who pays money to see total strangers waving their pussies under his nose. Real men don’t need this shit.

  • TAFKABO

    Real men don’t need this shit.

    I don’t need most of the stuff I have. Doesn’t stop me from wanting it.

  • Fanny

    “Doesn’t stop me from wanting it.”

    You’ll get over it. Most boys do.

  • TAFKABO

    Fanny.

    Enough with the real men always agree with me schtick already.
    I’m a forty one year old male who is perfectly comfortable within his own skin. At least try and understand that my testicles give me a little more insight into male sexuality, and how it is expressed, than someone without.

  • Fanny

    “I’m a forty one year old male who is perfectly comfortable within his own skin”

    Thin though it may be. Don’t worry, TAFKABO, I’m just kidding.

  • TAFKABO

    Whew!, that’s a relief, I was just about to dig out the measuring tape.

  • Fanny

    LOL

    [The form you submitted contained the following errors

    Unable to receive your comment at this time.]

    That’s what I got 3 times.

  • Fanny

    Question to Slugger admin: is there a script in force that prevents a poster submitting a 3-letter post like “LOL”?