Ireland third most patriotic country after United States

Ireland has come in third behind the United States in the patriotrism stakes, according to a survey of 34 countries carried out by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago. Venezuela came in a close second in the survey, apparently helped by the “Chavez factor”.
The U.S. ranked highest overall and in five categories: pride in its democracy, political influence, economy, science and military. Venezuela ranked highest in four categories: sports, arts and literature, history, and fair treatment of all groups in society.
Eric Wingerter, a Washington spokesman for the Venezuelan government, said many Venezuelans believe President Hugo Chavez has helped create a new sense of national pride. “There’s been a real emphasis on rediscovering what it means to be Venezuelan,” he said.

The media report gives no indication as to why Ireland is ranked so highly but it doesn’t seem to be following the trend of other Western European states, which like East Asian and former socialist countries usually ranked near the middle or bottom.

However, former colonies and newer nations were more likely to rank high on the list.

  • FewsOrange

    “Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.” — Samuel Johnson

  • pith

    FewsOrange,

    Ahhhh, right.

  • LoyalSubject

    What do the pathetic, third-world Banana Republic to our South have to be proud about? These people obviously didn’t survey the people of Northern Ireland as if they did the United Kingdom would have been in first place.

  • Crataegus

    fewsorange

    Dead right and a massive problem in the NI context.

  • Tochais Siorai

    Go away and troll somewhere else, ye eejit.

  • The Beach Tree

    “Ireland came in at No. 3, followed by South Africa and Australia.” – from the survey.

    Ah, come on, George, that was a fairly obvious pattern to miss!

    Post Colonial, Post Imperial. Wonder where Canada and New Zealand finished?

  • George

    The Beach Tree,
    there are those in this world who don’t think Ireland was ever a colony so I decided to leave it open.

  • People rated how proud they were of their countries in 10 areas: political influence, social security, the way their democracy works, economic success, science and technology, sports, arts and literature, military, history, and fair treatment of all groups in society.

    Political influence: mmm
    social security: mmm
    democracy and tribunals: mmm
    sports: ??
    military: Ireland has the htird strongest navy in the world. All the rowing.

    Typical bs survey. Rubbish in, rubbish out.

  • The Beach Tree

    As I suspected; New Zealand came 6th, Canada came 7th in that scale. GB were about 11th for the record.

  • The Beach Tree

    George

    It might have been better if you’d shown the info on SA and Aus, rather than express blank puzzlement. People can then make their own mind up. Instead you (unfairly) suggested Ireland was a complete out-lier, with all the national psychois that entails 😉

  • George

    The Beach Tree,
    I don’t have the full table and only have the information I linked to. I couldn’t find the full table. If I had I would have linked it and given more information.

    I don’t think I suggested anything other than the media report not saying why Ireland is ranked so high and that it was different than other Western European states.

    To say Ireland is a former colony is one possible answer as to why this is so but as I don’t have the information to back this up I left it open.

    It could be feel good feelings about the economy for all I know. It could be because Irish people are supposedly the happiest in the world.

    I found this about Canada though:
    “Canadians rank higher regarding pride in their social security system and their treatment of different groups within their society. Canadians ranked relatively low in their pride for their sports, arts, literature, military and history.

    When asked if they would rather be a citizen of their country than any other in the world, people in the United States, were first with 75 percent strongly agreeing with the statement. The Canadians were sixth, with 56 percent strongly agreeing.”

    National psychosis never even occurred to me.

  • Rory

    The survey rather seems to survey how positively people now view their country and it is interesting that Venezuala now feels good about its prospects and self-image now that for the first time they have a president truly elected by popular will who is willing to satnd up to the oligarchy and US imperialism. I suspect that Australians also now enjoy being more independent as a nation, in image at least and no longer tied to mummy England’s apron strings. In that sense it seems less to test the “my country right or wrong” type of thinking which we often think of as patriotism but rather how confident one feels about one’s country’s image in the world as a whole.

    On that basis I wonder how positively NI people would have voted for their “wee country” and if the result would provoke acknowledgment or howls of derisive laughter from the wider community of the world?

  • Greenflag

    ‘there are those in this world who don’t think Ireland was ever a colony ‘

    But not in the BBC . The recent radio series the ‘ Sceptered Isle ‘ in it’s first program referred to Ireland as Britain’s first colony . Sadly despite the long and tangled history of British imperialism since 1169 there was no reference to Ireland being the last colony . But as the program dealt with the past that’s only to be expected . A great series for anyone who wants to get a bird’s eye view of the rise and fall of Brittania’s empire.

    Rory,

    ‘I wonder how positively NI people would have voted for their “wee country” and if the result would provoke acknowledgment or howls of derisive laughter from the wider community of the world? ‘

    Not to mention the derisive laughs from within . Northerners are known to have a sense of black humour . A necessary survival trait I’d say.

  • rafa benitez

    What do the pathetic, third-world Banana Republic to our South have to be proud about
    Considering the ROI is NI’s biggest trading partner, ou lot must be the monkeys who buy all our bananas then eh. 😉

  • Canadian

    “Canadians ranked relatively low in their pride for their sports”

    Umm… I don’t know about that one!!!

    That’s probably because Hockey (the greatest sport in the world) doesn’t get much media attention in the world as it does in canada.

    I think every new Canadian should get a hockey hand book and a ticket to a game 🙂

  • Greenflag

    ‘former colonies and newer nations were more likely to rank high on the list. ‘

    Which perfectly explains the three top spots on the list : All former colonies and Ireland though an ‘old’nation in terms of it’s history is a relativeley new nation to political independence . Both the USA and Venezuela have an almost 200 years start on Ireland as regards political independence from their former colonial power. Considering that I think Ireland comes out ‘well’ in the survey . Given the fact that the former colonial power is still politically ‘active’ in a part of Ireland we could at least expect Ireland to have topped the list ?

    As for Canada ? How can that country ever expect respect from the rest of the world when it continues to have Queen Lizzie’s face on it’s banknotes and coinage . Nice people Canadians and a nice country but really such homage to a distant Queen is frankly -yuck.

  • Canadian

    “How can that country ever expect respect from the rest of the world when it continues to have Queen Lizzie’s face on it’s banknotes and coinage”

    If we don’t get respect because of how our money looks then that’s not our problem!

    Besides I think we’er starting to ween our self’s off the “Queens Head”!

  • woof mcdog

    slightly off topic but…Last night I had one of those zen moments, just as Radio 4 was signing off.

    When they started playing God Save the Queen – I suddenly burst out laughing.

    What an utterly utterly ridiculous thing.

    God save the queen………sweat jesus what year is this.

    I mean the soldier song is um well, out of date, needs changing. Deutschland uber alles might raise a few eyebrows… but the national anthem of a country of 60 million people imploring gods blessing on some German parasite.

    Truely laughable.

    I also wondered if everyone who was going to bed actually prayed that the great architect would save the queen.

    Could I ask Royalists on here if they ever pray for the Queen?.

  • Greenflag

    ‘Besides I think we’er starting to ween our self’s off the “Queens Head”! ‘

    Good for you 🙂 However in NI the ’empire’s loyalists’ are still clinging on to her tail 🙂

    God shave her the poor woman . She may yet be disrobed by that shower of ingrates:)

  • Greenflag

    If you think God Save the Queen is laughable or that the Soldiers song needs changing then you haven’t yet read the words of the Marseillaise in translation . Makes ‘Deutschland uber Alles ‘ sound like the Teddy Bear’s Picnic .

    As an aside Teddy Bear’s Picnic was written by a man from Northern Ireland – forget his name but he was also responsible for the Hokey Pokey ?

  • Brian Boru

    “What do the pathetic, third-world Banana Republic to our South have to be proud about? These people obviously didn’t survey the people of Northern Ireland as if they did the United Kingdom would have been in first place.”

    The Republic’s GDP per capita is double that of NI. Southerners earn on average £3,000 more per annum than Northerners. We are a First World country. You are poorer than us. And it doesn’t take us years to form a govt. You’re the banana-republic even if you are in the UK!

    I put the patriotism down to a mixture of our post-colonial pride in throwing out the world’s biggest superpower (in 1921), and the Celtic Tiger boom. The latter banished forever the myth that countries leaving the UK could not survive economically – especially small countries therein. We are also proud of the previous 754 years of resistance to sectarian anti-Catholic laws that confiscated our lands and handed them over to British colonists and destroyed our economy with a trade-blockade against successful Irish industries that competed with British companies. Proud of our resistance to a regime that had 4 million Irish people living in one-room huts in 1841 and made Ireland (except the Protestant parts of course) a Third World country for reasons of sectarian hate and racial hatred. Proud that we not only have survived this Nazi-like ordeal but thrown it out, without help from foreign powers. We did not have a D-Day but we liberated ourselves from the Fascist British Empire. We should clap ourselves on the back methinks.

  • Canadian

    It probably irks lot of people from the province of Quebec to see the Queen on our money as it does a lot of people from NI to see her on theirs.

    We still have a long way to go!

    The UK royalty does show up a lot for example:

    The flag for the province of Ontario has the Union Jack and England in it.

    Also our highways are Royal in Ontario.

  • Objectivist

    ”As an aside Teddy Bear’s Picnic was written by a man from Northern Ireland – forget his name but he was also responsible for the Hokey Pokey ?”
    Jimmy Kennedy

  • Garibaldy

    Greenflag,

    How can you insult the words of the Marching Song of the Army of the Rhine? Best anthemn ever bar none

  • Not sure i’d agree with those results, smells a bit like bs to me. Except the top spot … first place undoubtedly belongs to the US.

  • Chria

    If there was a place for Northern Ireland on it’s own, I doubt it would rank highly. Certainly Im not very proud to come from a country that is sectarian, racist, homophobic and has more depressing crap little towns in it than anywhere else I know…

    Luckily I don’t live there anymore then!!

  • Donnacha

    Australia’s high placing (and NZ’s for that matter) are more to do with emerging from the cultural cringe than anything else, I would suggest. Fro decades, anything home-produced was deemed inferior to anything from “home” but this has changed in recent generations, with many now thankfully referring to their country of origin as home, rather than a cold and distant place huddled in the North Sea.
    The arts, industry and society as a whole have come to the conclusion that what is made here can be as good if not better than what is produced overseas. The quality of NZ/Aussie wine, food, environment, lifestyle, literature and music are of world-class, which helps the poor post-colonialists here to hold their heads up.
    In sport, of course, Australia have the edge on pretty much everyone, which is a source of national chauvinism to the point of revulsion. Cricket, league, rugby, swimming, netball, and now football are all on the up. In NZ, we are reduced to (slavishly) supporting the All Blacks as all-conquering, to the point where the economy dips after a test loss. The recent nature of the emergence from the criinge is obvious too in how much news coverage any favourable mention of New Zelaand oversaeas gets. It’s quite laughable, like picking up the Irish Times and seeing a headline saying “See? They DO like us!”
    In the Australian case, I think there is also a long tradition of insularity and isolationist tendencies among people. And let’s not forget a sense of irony. After all, many, many people in Oz are descended from criminals transported there by the Mother Country. Of course, the laugh was on Pom-erania, as the country turned out to be quite delightful and now is one of the top destinations for Poms to emigrate to. Who wouldn’t be laughing with bitter pride over that?

  • Interesting Statistic

    I’d be interested to know, and I’m not saying that there is, if there’s any correlation between the patriotism of a nation and that nation’s levels of racism. Anecdotally I’d say that a few of the ones on that list suggest that there may be.

  • Occasional Commentator

    Whatever this survey is measuring, it sure isn’t patriotism, and that may explain the false interpretations drawn by the researchers or journalists.

    One definition I’ve seen of patriotism is ‘love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it’. That seems like pretty reasonable definition, and it’s got nowt to do with how well you rate your country’s economy or even political system.

    Somebody may well love their country and be willing to sacrifice for it, but still want change. They might believe the economy and even the political system are rubbish, but still be a patriot. In fact, I would think that patriots are as likely as non-patriots to want change and to criticize the status quo, meaning this survey is totally irrelevant.

  • pid

    The Hokey Pokey? Never heard of it. The Hokey Cokey perhaps. Right leg in …and all that.

    Now back to the business.

    My old man (Gawd rest ‘im) used to pull me up if I said ‘hocus pocus’. He claimed it was a Proddy skit on a Latin part of the Mass.

    From a google search..

    Like transubstantiation, do the words change blood into bread? ‘Hocus-pocus’ is a deliberate corruption of “Hic est corpus meum” (“This is my body”)-the words of Christian consecration making bread into the body of Christ. For the faithful the words are sacred and transformative, for the faithless they are ‘hocus-pocus,’ a deception.

  • DK

    “Hocus Pocus” actually refers to transubstantiation! Excellent – now I know that if I refer to something as Hocus Pocus, I really am using the term correctly to mean “superstitious nonsense”. Made my day.

  • Greenflag

    Garibaldi ,

    Don’t get me wrong . I too can agree that the Marseillaise is the anthem of anthems . It’s just that the words in English are somewhat gory in parts – cutting of throats – ripping from wombs, that kind of thing . All no doubt part of the spirit of the times during which the anthem was written.

    Objectivist,

    Thanks for the reminder . It was indeed Jimmy Kennedy who wrote the words of those two old time favourites which brought pleasure to millions around the world 🙂

  • Greenflag

    ‘for the faithless they are ‘hocus-pocus,’ a deception. ‘

    Perhaps but it’s at least less ‘offensive’ to the faithful than the term used by a German veteran (WW2)(Ex Catholic) who I heard referring to priests as Himmelcomiker (Heaven magicians) .Apparently the practice of lifting the veil above the chalice reminded this faithless German of the vaudeville magician who regularly produced a rabbit from the hat:)

    Exposure to years of war left that veteran with an abiding detestation of all who wore ‘clerical ‘ collars. Protestant and Catholic . It happens.

  • Keith M

    “Occasional Commentator” you beat me to it. Whatever this poll is measuring it isn’t patriotism. Sometimes the greatest patriots are those that put in the greatest effort to change the status quo.

    Take Ireland in the 1980s. Wiould someone who was satisfied with the economic climate etc., be more or less patriotic than someone who was unhappy and tried to change things around?

  • Nathan

    Patriotism isn’t as lively it used to be.

    Once upon a time, all it took was for an Irish leader to speak his mind, and Irishmen would come flocking in their thousands e.g. those who volunteered for the Crown forces, and were subsequently ‘blown to kingdom come on the shores of Gallipoli’ (to borrow The Fureys words). Today, however, we tend to be more skeptical and suspicious of leaders.

    Thats why patriotism in the grandady, unthinking sense is as good as dead – bar the ultra-patriots who end up in Na Fianna Eireann or dissident IRA groups of course. Indeed, these people can tell us until we’re blue in the face that they are inheritors of the 1918 democratic manifestation of the Irish people’s will for independence, which has been denied by the Brits, but we’re still turn round and classify them as terrorists rather than as patriots and role models.

    We’re therefore very selective in what we want to be patriotic about these days – we prefer those who are à la carte patriots (i.e. we adore the type of Irishman that is patriotic about the COI one minute, and then gets all excitable about the Easter Rising celebrations or Irish cricket the next) and as for the fixed menu patriots much, well they leave alot to be desired in alot of peoples eyes.

  • Philippa Smith

    When ABC News (that is American ABC News) reported the results of this survey, Australia was not even mentioned in the top 10 countries. They had instead ‘Austria’. And you Irish think you have an identity problem!