Scots urged to forge closer Irish connection…

A REPORT by the Scottish Parliament’s European and External Relations Committee has urged the Scottish Executive to forge closer ties with the Irish Government for mutual benefit. Independent MSP Dennis Canavan said: “[T]here is considerable scope for co-operation projects in areas such as cultural exchange, tourism, sport, education and transport, with significant potential for social and economic benefits for each country.”

  • Brian Boru

    Maybe we can learn from each other, in how to keep Gaelic alive and the economy. I understand that Gaelic is in a healthier state than Irish as a native language in Scotland (even if there are more fluent speakers in the Republic). We can also show Scotland how leaving the UK has benefited our economy by allowing us full control of economic policy.

  • eranu

    “We can also show Scotland how leaving the UK has benefited our economy”

    well, eventually anyway 🙂

    hopefully NI could benefit from scottish – irish links as we’re right in the middle, especially on the transport side of things. wonder if scotland and southern ireland would like to pay for a motorway from the border up to belfast or larne ports???

  • Prince Eoghan

    This is a total no-brainer. The links b/w Scotland and Ireland are obvious. As Scotland continues to evolve from the pro-union/anti-Catholic time warp, the possibilities for co-operation are boundless. And I don’t mean failed football bids.

    Maybe after Scotland finally becomes independant. A kind of Scots/Irish federation may appeal to the no-men of the 6 counties. On their terms of course;¬}

  • smcgiff

    Scotland and the Republic have a lot to gain from closer ties. We’re of similar size so nobody’s going to be disadvantaged. Of course closer ties would be more beneficial for an independent Scotland.

    I sometimes wonder if England created NI so that Scotland and Ireland would split down sectarian lines so as to not to unite and take over England! :¬)

  • Crataegus

    WHat about Wales?

  • Ciaran Irvine

    Maybe after Scotland finally becomes independant. A kind of Scots/Irish federation may appeal to the no-men of the 6 counties

    If the UK collapses eventually, I could see an Irish/Scot/Welsh loose alliance emerging. Something like the Scands have – cooperation and somewhat shared culture without Union.

    Course, a Celto-Scand alliance might be pretty groovy too 🙂

  • smcgiff

    ‘Course, a Celto-Scand alliance might be pretty groovy too 🙂 ‘

    In a mad max post WW111 kinda way!

  • Prince Eoghan

    CI.

    Course, a Celto-Scand alliance might be pretty groovy too 🙂

    You’r thinking about the women there aren’t you?

    Or am I the only one?

  • Rory

    Any initiative that Dennis Canavan supports is recommendation enough for me. All through his years as a Westminster MP he was unstinting in taking issue with injustice and state involvement in that wherever it reared its ugly head, not least on matters relating to Ireland. His election and retention of his seat in the teeth of opposition from the New Labour apparatchnik is a measure of how his constituents regard his integrity and a mere glance at his entry in the Members’ Register of Interests would indicate why he is not popular with the new tories who have hijacked Labour.

    Thankfully the Scottish electorate are more sophisticated and politically astute than their English counterparts and know a true man when they spot him. This can only but be good for both Scotland and Ireland (North and South) and I just hope that we have a representative to the iniiative that lives up to Dennis Canavan’s standards of integrity.

  • Peking

    “Thankfully the Scottish electorate are more sophisticated and politically astute than their English counterparts and know a true man when they spot him.”

    Such racist crap.

    Tony Benn and Dennis Skinner not to your taste then?

  • Prince Eoghan

    WHat about Wales?

    Only a minority realise that they are Welsh. To use Harry’s colonialist mentality spiel, most think that they are English with funny accents. A more pro-British mob I have yet to meet.

    Anytime they wish to join their Celtic comrades, I for one would make them welcome. See we are empire building already.

  • Prince Eoghan

    Peking. You have it wrong.

    Canavan, won and held onto his seat despite the full might of the labour party in central Scotland being against him. In his seat in Falkirk west you used to weigh the labour votes not count them.

    I believe Rory was praising the electorate for not giving into new labour bullying, not sullying English representatives who are still in the labour party.

  • Ciaran Irvine

    See we are empire building already.

    All hail our new Celto-Scand Imperial Overlords!

  • George

    What have the Scots ever done for us?

    (Are Scottish women good looking ?)

  • Prince Eoghan

    CA. The green bits

    Love it. We will have Iceland for sure(women again) and Tunisia to give the Ulster-Scots somewhere to settle;¬}

    George.

    Scots girls are honey’s and the ones who aren’t make up for it with enthusiasm. I’ve been bevied a few times you see.

  • George

    Okay that’s good enough for me. Scotland can join but only as long as we don’t lose our foothold in East Celtia, currently known as Latvia. They put the H in honey.

  • Betty Boo

    I go for the celto scandinavian empire too. They have men my height.

  • Rory

    Prince Eoghan clarifies and defends my remarks well, Peking. I made no reference to English political representatives but rather to the electorate who have allowed New Labour to undemocratically deselect popular representatives and replace them with yes-men who were then subsequently returned. It most certainly was not a racist comment nor indeed a slur on the English electorate but a commentary on New Labour’s ability to more easily manipulate that electorate to its own ends. We saw a similar situation to that of Dennis Canavan’s constituency in Blaenau Gwent in South Wales were the sitting MP was deselected, stood as an Independent and cakewalked the election. He has recently died and despite New Labour’s most desperate efforts his widow is expected to retain his seat as an Independent. There has been no similar reaction in an English constituency I am sorry to say. In that I share part of the blame for not doing enough to stop the carpetbaggers taking over. Oh, I tried to stop them all right, I just simply did not succeed and that is my failure.

  • manichaeism

    Maybe we can have a union between Scotland, Ireland and Wales and then after a while we can ask England to join also! Ooops! It’s been tried!

  • Crataegus

    Prince Eoghan

    Only a minority realise that they are Welsh.

    That’s not the Wales I know. Visit mid Wales and prepare for a shock, they speak Welsh as their first language.

    What about Brittany up until the French revolution a place apart?

    A Celtic Scandinavian Alliance stretching over to Greenland. I could get interested in that. Lots of Winter sports locations.

  • Prince Eoghan

    Seriously now. Do any Unionists/Loyalists find the idea of a union of a sort b/w Scotland and Ireland objectionable. I am not assuming that all Scots or Irish Nationalists would be for it, though it would be reasonable to guess that many would.

  • Prince Eoghan

    Crat.

    Only a minority realise that they are Welsh.

    That’s not the Wales I know. Visit mid Wales and prepare for a shock, they speak Welsh as their first language.

    That is the minority of whom I speak. The rivalry b/w Cardiff and Swansea is partly due to Swansea being mainly Welsh-speaking and Cardiff not. So it comes as a surprise to find that those from Swansea are in the main very pro-British. I’ve been there/know people there, and this is what I found.

    Of the rest Aye ok.

  • Overhere

    What about Cornwall and Britany (no I don’t mean Spears)

  • “Do any Unionists/Loyalists find the idea of a union of a sort b/w Scotland and Ireland objectionable.”

    I’d only object to the fact that what is being proposed is basically an “Everyone but England” union which just seems a bit childish.

    That said, if England decided they no longer wanted to be in the UK, I’d be open to the idea of such a union/federation instead (and obviously also open to Eire rejoining the UK as it stands, should they wish).

  • John East Belfast

    Interesting how this enthusiasm for a Celtic Union as proposed by nationalists on this thread illustrates just how racist and anti English they really are.

    I thought they wanted an independant sovereign Ireland for the Irish – were do the Scottish and Welsh fit into that ?

  • Prince Eoghan

    I’d only object to the fact that what is being proposed is basically an “Everyone but England” union which just seems a bit childish.

    Ah grow up Beano;¬] It’s nothing to do with anti-English. It’s to do with those with historic ties of blood and culture forging closer links. You are one of us. Aren’t you?

    I mean are we as peoples, Scots and Irish not able to make our own grown-up decisions?

  • lib2016

    The problem for Irish nationalists (this one, anyway) is that they tend to see Britain as fundamentally unbalanced by the huge English urban centres, particularly in the South East.

    We are known as the ‘Celtic Fringe’ after all.

  • John East Belfast

    Prince Eoghan

    “Ah grow up Beano;¬] It’s nothing to do with anti-English. It’s to do with those with historic ties of blood and culture forging closer links. You are one of us. Aren’t you?”

    That is what makes some of us unionists – its just extends to all the peoples of these Isles on the Western edge of Europe.

  • Prince Eoghan

    I want to be a unionist as well. A neo-Celtic unionist John. Much better than the unsatisfactory union we have at the moment.

    BTW. I am Scottish.

  • John East Belfast

    Prince Eoghan

    What is this irrational objection you have to the English ?

    I hope it hasnt been inspired by Mel Gibson in Braveheart or something ?

  • Prince Eoghan

    John.

    Gie’s a break. Think outside the box man. Try thinking full stop. This is to do with us, fuck-all to do with the English. Ok.

  • Brian Boru

    No I don’t want a “celtic-union” with Scotland would would welcome closer ties.

  • John East Belfast

    Prince Eoghan

    I am trying to understand what you are saying

    “This is to do with us, fuck-all to do with the English. Ok”

    who are us ?

    It is just my view of ‘us’ also recognises those other historical, cultural and ethnic ties that are staring us in the face – ie the people who inhabit that big track of land just down the road from you ?

    therefore this has everything to do with the English – and god knows what proportion of them would have celtic ties not too far back

    You really arent making sense

    An independent and parochial separatist Ireland is bad enough but the Scots wanting to join in as well is just too much

  • Prince Eoghan

    John.

    who are us ?

    The Scots and Irish.

    It is just my view of ‘us’ also recognises those other historical, cultural and ethnic ties that are staring us in the face – ie the people who inhabit that big track of land just down the road from you ?

    Most of both of our histories have been fighting the fuckers. The Welsh national anthem yearns to reclaim Britain for her ancient people the Celts. Nah, the Germans have been there too long to start evicting them now.

    An independent and parochial separatist Ireland is bad enough but the Scots wanting to join in as well is just too much

    John. Now you aren’t making sense.
    There is an element of exploration, with a strong tinge of humour. You just might not get it.

    Rory.

    I feel as if I have worked myself into a corner promoting this. It was mainly just fun. However for the life of me I can’t see too much wrong with it.

  • John East Belfast

    Prince Eoghan

    Oh I get it now – the Scots and Irish are part of the ancient Celtic people and the English are the Anglo Saxon bad guys – is this what really motivates Scottish and Irish nationalism ?

    Where do the Gaels, Danes, Afro Caribbeans, Pakistanis…… not to mention modern day Eastern europeans fit into this neat little box you are thinking yourself into ?

  • Prince Eoghan

    Rhetorical questions.

    John.

    Go and have a lie down. I don’t think you are getting it. Much too serious.

  • George

    John,
    are there no good looking women in East Belfast or is it only English totty you are interested in?

    Don’t want a millystone around your neck I suppose.

    P.S.
    Nobody has been able to tell me what the Scots have ever done for us but I’m assured their ladies are not to be sneezed at.

    P.P.S.
    I once went out with a tasty little glass blower from Sunderland and after that I even briefly considered voting to join the UK.

  • Prince Eoghan

    Nobody has been able to tell me what the Scots have ever done for us but I’m assured their ladies are not to be sneezed at.

    George, we gave you the Ulster-Scots;¬), James Connolly and my iniquitous wit on slugger. I suppose the exchange could be deemed fair. We gave you Gallowglasses to fight the Sassenach, and you gave us Celtic F.C.(in a roundabout way)

  • Ali Bally

    This talk of a “celto-scandic alliance” shows how race focussed nationalists in Ireland and Scotland are. It’s all about how much you hate “The English”, not about how we improve things for everyone in all the bits of Ireland, Scotland and everywhere else. For me, Scotland is better placed in the Union in the long run, but of course it makes sense to open up contacts and break down all barriers with Ireland and all Irish people.

  • The Beach Tree

    JEB etc,

    Oh for goodness sake lighten up! It’s a joke, that’s all. Do you’s not get it? We’re (gently) mocking ourselves, and you try to score political points out of it? Sheesh!

    The reality, for what it’s worth, is that Scotland and Ireland, two countries with roughly the same population are cheek by jowel with the much larger country (which in this case happens to be England), and both feel (whether rightly or wrongly) that they sometimes suffer by reason of that. It’s perfectly natural to feel that way; Canada and New Zealand would undoubtedly agree.

    One (ROI) has independence, and has seemed to prosper, one has not (SCO), and feels (rightly or wrongly) that it isn’t prospering, so it looks to its independent ‘cousins’ for ideas.

    No-one in their right mind GENUINELY seeks a Pan-Celtic Republic, or Federation. And if they did, (extremely unlikely) it would be a matter for the people of those nations to do as they saw fit.

    And you don’t have to be some ABE, anti-english racist to reasonably conclude, if you were part of a tiny minority of a pan-celtic mind, that an agreed consenusal federation between two roughly equal (in size, historical culture and prosperity)partners might have advantages over being stuck in bed with the elephant that is England. Kind of like North and South Island in NZ. (Probably do far better than either would as a state of Australia)

    Far more likely of course in the (very long) run is that , as the Empire was replaced with the Commonwealth, the UK will be replaced by a Nordic Council style group, INCLUDING England (which may or may not suffer its own regional factionalism by then), working together for mutual gain. Who knows, without the UK political ramifications, the phrase British council might well be very appropriate then 😉

    But I wouldn’t hold my breath for any of this. Except maybe Scottish Independence if the Tories win the next election, and SNP do well at Holyrood.

  • Ciaran Irvine

    Oh for goodness sake lighten up! It’s a joke, that’s all. Do you’s not get it? We’re (gently) mocking ourselves, and you try to score political points out of it? Sheesh!

    Mad, isn’t it? I would have thought it was obviously a joke, Irish republicans cheerleading for an imperialist construct (and joining the Empire mainly because of the hot Swedish chicks).

    And along come the dour, joyless Ulster Prods to moan and whinge and tell us how Oppressed they feel by all this rampant anti-English racism. And them not English in the slightest. Don’t get that bit of “logic” at all.

    Lunacy.

  • The Beach Tree

    Ciaran

    Just goes to show I suppose that some people will believe what they want to believe. The belief comes first, the justification a poor second.

    What with supporting England rather than NI, contacts with english nationalist political groups, and now jumping to the defence of England, you’d almost think some people wanted to be English 😉

  • Prince Eoghan

    I think it was all a cunning plan to force us out of our reverie.

    Send in the hard of thinking to claim anti-Englishness. SHITE.

    I SUPPOSE IT MIGHT BE MY FAULT, in my joy of the moment of exploration( a bit like when Englang get a flukey win against Trinidad, and the commentaters immediately begin to speculate about who they will play in the final) I foolishly asked if any Unionists/Loyalists would have any objections to a Celtic federation of sorts.

    What I imagined may be relevant replies like “well we won’t be too outnumbered by them fenians, or can we have blue and purple as well as orange in the new flag.” What I got instead was all about anti-England and Scots/Irish Nationalism.

    Kidding aside, what kind of mentality does not have the cojones to see beyond their own noses. None of these guys are English, We hear constantly about strength of identity, why aren’t they confident enough to have one?

    Anyway, I have a cunning plan to win over the most bitter of Orangeman/Unionists. After this expanded Celtic tiger makes us all rich, we can build a mock town with all sorts of robots that don’t want the orangies marching through their streets. The beauty of it is these robots are fenian robots, and they can be insulted with impunity, even kicked the shit out of if the mood takes(I’m sure it will)

    To top it all off, a pogrom may be allowed once a year(on the 12th of course) resplendant with B-specials and everything. Those participating may wear their favourite mock up costumes to teach these Taigs a lesson. Be it 17th century Dutch dragoons or 20th C black’n’tans.

    Now come on ye begrudgers, I’ll provide the razor so yese can sign in claret;¬)

    I want to be minister of defence, please let me.

  • John East Belfast

    It is also interesting when the anti English and racist Irish Republican veil slips they resort to the most cowardly of all defences – “I was only joking”
    then start insulting the people, who pointed out your racism, with equal bile that portrays your prejudice against unionists

    I have a great sense of humour and you are not fooling me with your back peddaling.

  • Ciaran Irvine

    Is it compulsory in Unionist circles to be so dour all the time? Do you have to take classes in it or does it just come naturally?

    It was clearly a joke from the start, and no-one is back-pedalling on anything. If it triggers an attack of MOPEry in your Happy English Child subroutines then that’s your problem….

    And anyway, like most people from the north (including me, look at my surname) yer most likely of Scots-Irish heritage. Why on earth would a bit of ABE, even if it actually existed, be offensive to you?

  • Stiofán de Buit

    You know, all joking aside, I wonder how Unionists would react to an independent Scotland, with or without close links to the Republic. Most Unionists (and I’ve known a few, growing up in Newtownards) seem to have more of an attachment to Scotland than England. If Scotland left the Union, what then?

    Any Unionists like to answer?

  • Prince Eoghan

    John. You said;

    “I have a great sense of humour and you are not fooling me with your back peddaling.”

    This is obviously a lie of the most henious kind;¬)

    A wee bit of advice, go and get your nat king, or a BJ, worse comes to worse, even a ham shank will suffice. You are in desperate need, You will feel better for it.

  • Stiofn de Buit asked:

    Most Unionists (and I’ve known a few, growing up in Newtownards) seem to have more of an attachment to Scotland than England. If Scotland left the Union, what then?

    Any Unionists like to answer?

    Good question. Anyone?

  • PHIL

    Expanding Stiofn de Buit’s question further, would any unionists care to comment on how they would react to England leaving the union?

  • Prince Eoghan

    Who would pay for the upkeep of the 6 counties Phil?

  • IJP

    I’ve a lot of sympathy with JEB‘s points here. Throw Scotland into the ring and the real negativity (on both ‘sides’, to be fair) comes out.

    On the subject, I would be a lot more cautious than most Nationalists (in either country).

    Scotland and Ireland (specifically Republic of) have very little in common, in fact.

    The former is overwhelmingly culturally Presbyterian, has a history of scientific invention and industry, was the focus of the Scottish enlightenment, and is basically social democratic.

    The latter is overwhelmingly culturally Catholic, has a history of music and the arts and an agrarian economy, largely ignored the Scottish enlightenment, and is basically Liberal.

    The Republic of Ireland, in fact, has as much if not more in common with England than it has with Scotland…

  • Prince Eoghan

    IJP

    “The former is overwhelmingly culturally Presbyterian, has a history of scientific invention and industry, was the focus of the Scottish enlightenment, and is basically social democratic.”

    50 years ago, yes.
    I can’t speak for Ireland, but it would surprise me if Scots were not more left of centre than the Irish. In any event, what you have described would complement partners, rather than divide. You do seem to be talking in the past tense. Things move on, cultural heritage stays much of a muchance, I believe.

    I’m sorry, but you will have to point out the negativity. As I, and others have pointed out(repeatedly) there is humour, exploration but gey little negativity. Your post excepted of course;¬)

  • George

    I have to agree with IJP on this one. The Irish Republic would have much closer economic and cultural ties with England than Scotland (with the exception of Donegal). Dublin, home of the Jaicin (little Union Jack) especially.

    I have absolutely no links with Scotland and feel a closer “affinity” to England.

    What have the Scots ever done for us (apart from their women, Gallowglass and Connolly).

    Prince Eoghan,
    North Sea oil revenues would cover the Northern Ireland subsidy nicely. And I hate to tell you this but even with the North Sea revenues England still subsidises Scotland.

    Things haven’t been helped I admit by Thatcher selling off the oil for a pittance in the 1980s rather than thinking long term.

    I liked the quote in trainspotting where one of the characters said Scots “are even lower than wankers. We allowed ourselves to be conquered by wankers.”

    Does that make me anti-English or the film?

  • Nevin
  • Prince Eoghan

    George.

    It’s all about opinions. While some studies agree with yours, most agree with mine on the oil wealth. Indeed the recent discovery of the suppression of the scale of that wealth by westminster says it all. The 30 year rule let’s us see that the SNP had vastly under-estimated the oil wealth in their opinion.
    We all have generations of wankers, don’t we?

    Nevin.

    Repeating stupid orange sectarian theories proves what? your misnomer of a headline tells all.

  • George

    Indeed Prince Eoghan,
    I like to think of my generation as an island of contemporary Irish wisdom surrounded by a sea of past and future wankers. Behind my Catholic stormtroopers, in front of me Nihilist ones. No doubt, they think I’m a wanker. One man’s wanker, is another man’s lover.

    On oil wealth,
    whatever way you take the figures, there is no denying that the money could have been better used and it could have been a springboard for greater things.

    Scotland seems to have lost its way in the world, in my view. Whether this is true or just a perception is for Scots to decide.

    Or maybe it’s just that for the first time in my life Ireland seems to know exactly where it’s going and what it’s doing thus accentuating the difference to Scotland.

  • Prince Eoghan

    George.

    “Scotland seems to have lost its way in the world, in my view. Whether this is true or just a perception is for Scots to decide.”

    I think for a long time you were right. The Scots parliament was used by New Labour as a sop to our growing need to be in charge of ourselves. Now that this has been established we might see Scotland reemerge as one of the leading lights of the world again.

  • mystic meg

    I predict a victory for the Scottish and Irish Republican movements.

  • Brian Boru

    “Like the Roman, I seem to see ‘the River Tiber foaming with much blood’.”

    Prince Eoghan out of interest, are you Irish or Scottish?

  • Brian Boru

    LOL I mistyped something from another forum quoting Enoch Powell here:

    “Like the Roman, I seem to see ‘the River Tiber foaming with much blood’”

    Was reading about him on wikipedia and accidentally pasted part of his speech here. Sorry!

    Please delete if possible lol.

  • Prince Eoghan

    BB.

    “Prince Eoghan out of interest, are you Irish or Scottish?”

    Wha’s like us?

    I am happy to be wan ae Jock Tampsons bairns.

  • Cheshire Exile

    The people of Scotland have not lost their way in the world. Check out blogs such as our-Scotland.org and independence first, you will see. The idea of fostering connections with Ireland is a worthy one.

    The days of flag burning in Ireland must surely be numbered. The Scots (and increasingly the English) are re-writting the political map on the mainland. This will inevitably impact on you guys. Not least the so-called Ulster Scots.

    As a member of the Scottish Diaspora, I object to the Ulter-Scottish entrenchment to the union. This no longer reflects many Scots attitudes now (Calvinist, Catholic, buddhist, aethist etc…).

    Lets see what happens in May 2007 at Holyrood. There will be very few union anniversary celebrations in Scotland to I do believe!

  • seanniee

    Ireland should have much closer with Portugal,Spain ,Italy,Argentina,Mexico and Brazil.
    At least they have good looking girls with nice teeth.And they do not eat mars bars in batter.

  • Greenflag

    smcgiff,

    ‘I sometimes wonder if England created NI so that Scotland and Ireland would split down sectarian lines so as to not to unite and take over England! :¬) ‘

    Just because you’re paranoid does not mean they’re not out to get you 🙂

    Here’s the facts . England did not create NI . Unionists did . There had always been very strong cultural , linguistic and family links between Scotland and Ireland (mainly Ulster) from the earliest times up until the 14th century . The conquest /submission of Scotland by Edward Longshanks and his successors was what cut the Scots off from prospective Irish allies . The Bruces went to Ireland to open another ‘flank’ against the English attempt to ‘conquer’ Scotland . Most of Ireland at that time just like 12th England was settling down to Norman rule . The Bruces can be credited with showing the Irish that it was possible to defeat their Norman ‘overlords’. Unfortunately the Bruce’s came to Ireland in a bad year . The onset of the so called ‘little Ice Age ) which lasted from 1300 through 1850 . Famine stalked the land and Bruce’s army made matters only worse for the Irish .

    It was from this time 1300 through 1400 that Scots Gaelic began to diverge from Ulster Gaelic although even today any speaker of Donegal Irish can understand probably 90% or more of Scots Gaelic .

    I’m all in favour of greater educational , cultural and economic links with Scotland and Wales and England but I’d leave the politics out of it . If the Scots or Welsh ever opt for full independence let it be because that’s what they see as best for their political and economic futures.

    Economics tells us that England will continue to be be the predominant economic power in these islands . So any ‘political’ arrangments between any or all of the countries with these islands will need English ‘agreement’ whether we Irish ?Scots or Welsh like it or not . It’s called realpolitik.

    Perhaps if the smaller countries attain ‘independece ‘ then the four countries can become federation which would share defence and some other operating costs to mutual advantage?

  • I was in both Scotland and England and I found Glasgow a lot like home.
    I feel that it’s the closest buzz I’ve ever got to being in Ireland and being abroad.
    Walking down Sauchiehall Street and seeing all the faces and seeing the very close similarities to the folk I’d see walking down the main street in Cork, in looks, demeanour, in dress.
    I’d be all for closer ties between scotland and all of ireland, it maybe something that both nationalists and unionists could agree on, because I know that many unionists have an affinity with Scotland and having been there, me, as an irish nationalist would be happy to explore and further the link with Scotland and Ireland. It maybe the key to finally breaking down the barriers between the peoples of ireland.

  • Cheshire Exile

    Well said corkdave and greenflag!