Here comes the Ulster Tiger

DUP deputy leader Peter Robinson believes Northern Ireland can replicate the Irish Republic’s economic success and become a sort of Ulster Tiger. First there is just the small matter of Northern Ireland getting a stable devolved government as well as breaking away from its dependency culture on grants and handouts, replacing it with an economic environment which rewards entrepreneurship.
“The Republic talks about the Celtic Tiger,” Robinson said during a conference in Belfast organised by financial firm KPMG and attended by Irish Enterprise Minister Micheal Martin and businessmen. “If we can get those features into place you will see the stripes and hear a mighty roar from Ulster.”
Robinson also argued that Northern Ireland would have to address its reliance on the public sector, highlighted elsewhere, making the transition to a private sector dominated economy and that it was the responsibility of government to come up with policies which helped rather than hindered the private sector, and which were supportive of small and medium size enterprises. Unfortunately, the article doesn’t say whether he named any of these policies.

He also admitted that while the region`s relationship with its southern neighbour was important, he naturally felt the relationship with Great Britain was more important. The economic relationship between Northern Ireland and the Republic was best left to the market to determine, he said.

“I believe that there is no reason why we cannot have the best of both worlds,” the East Belfast MP said. “We are part of the fourth largest economy in the world and have a successful economy to our south which we can also exploit to our benefit.”

Cooperation with the Irish Republic was to be welcomed as long it made common sense.

“Government can seek to remove obstacles to co-operation but political interference in the process can be counterproductive,” he said.

“When I was Minister for Regional Development I had no difficulty working with the authorities in the Republic on roads and transport issues. It made common sense for us all and I believed it worked well.

“I have no doubt that in the context of stable political institutions at Stormont where co-operation with the Republic is based on practical, not political considerations our relationship with our nearest neighbour will continue to grow.

“There are many areas where working together with the Irish Republic would be enormously to our mutual advantage and we should not allow politics to be an obstacle to such an advance.

“Equally it would be a real threat to north-south relations if there were politically motivated attempts to enhance links where the merits of the individual proposals are lost in the politics of it all.”

  • hovetwo

    Harry

    “The purpose of this is to ready us for accepting the maintenance of a british presence for at least another 50 years.”

    With the possible exceptions of Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair, every British PM for the past fifty years would have been thrilled to get rid of NI – so long as the Republic joined NATO (thanks for Knock Airport) and they could guarantee the Unionist population would be relatively quiescent (no Loyalist bombs in Canary Wharf).

    That’s not to say that there are no sentimental links to Northern Ireland, particularly among Tories, but it has always been too big a problem to ignore and too small a problem to devote serious time and energy to its resolution – hence isolation of the “Irish Question” in political deep freeze until the end of the Cold War, to avoid contamination of the body politic on the “mainland”. The “gnomes” in Dublin adopted a similar policy.

    The sentimental interest in Northern Ireland might remain among British politicians, but the strategic interest has disappeared. The future of Northern Ireland is genuinely in the hands of the people who live there. The two governments may not be ideal honest brokers, but they’re not going to stand in the way of any dynamic local leaders who can thrash out a deal – as you say yourself, you make facts rather than face them.

    I want a United Ireland – one that unites people rather than merely territory. From reading Slugger I know that there are lots of Unionists who could make a phenomenal contribution to a United Ireland. I also know that if a bitterly divided society votes by 50.1% for a United Ireland, it’s likely that the “gnomes” in Dublin will a) wet themselves and then b) struggle to avoid an accommodation with the worst aspects of Loyalism. Nationalist areas could suffer greater intimidation, with Gardaí crushing any resurgence of the ‘Ra but otherwise adopting the PSNI softly softly playbook.

    Alternatively, the people of Northern Ireland could work out together how to make the place successful. Today. A peaceful, prosperous Northern Ireland reduces the economic benefits of reunification, but it makes a gentle slide into a United Ireland far more practical. It would also eliminate the temptation to add the Joint Authority option to any border referendum, with the UK and ROI paying an equal amount per capita to keep a lid on festering sectarian supremacism on both sides.

  • DK

    Repartition – Why would the Irish government want to get the poor dependent bits of Northern Ireland and leave the only wealthy bits (Belfast & North Down) out? I would prefer it the other way around. Let Belfast and Down join the Republic and leave Sinn Fein and the DUP to rule their own independent culchieland which they can then divide between themselves and launch a socialist republic/theocracy respectively.

    Taigs – why pay the British to move to Bolton. Surely the logistics and numbers involved mean that it would be cheaper to pay all the Irish to move to Tralee? The money saved could be used to dig a big canal around the six counties, thus isolating Northern Ireland as a separate Island. Then you can refer to the Island of Ireland being united and be happy!

  • Crataegus

    Greenflag

    Not sure about what point you are trying to make

    The point I am trying to make is that such people are extremely difficult to work with because their view of the world is not entirely rational and their perception of threat somewhat heightened. Their concepts and views have a rational to them alone.

    So how do you proceed without threatening whilst giving reassurance?

    I think we will agree to differ repartition is not a road I would go down. Too risky, islands like West Belfast and God knows where else, it is destabilising and in many ways counter productive. Means Britain will be in here for a very long time to come.

    Anyway agree to differ.

    DK
    The intolerant tone of many of the above would suggest a future of grief.

    By the way can I have the contract for the canal?

  • Greenflag

    ‘That’s not to say that there are no sentimental links to Northern Ireland, particularly among Tories, ‘

    Indeed, hoveto.

    Tory MP Edward Leigh, chairman of the House of Commons Public Accounts Committee, also declared himself mystified over the continuing absence of devolved government here.

    Replace ‘mystified ‘ with ignorance and ignorance with lack of interest and there you have the Tory contribution to Irish politics and political history both North and South . ‘

    ‘I want a United Ireland – one that unites people rather than merely territory.’

    A nice theory however the brutal facts of recent and not so recent political history not to mention the greater demographic separation within NI make this about as likely as Trinidad and Tobago becoming the first country to land a manned spaceship on Mars.

    I wish it were otherwise but it’s not . Traditional wishful thinking Irish nationalists can continue to wish Canute like, the ocean waves away. They should not be disappointed if the ocean ignores their wishes. . Apologies if that sounds too harsh a judgement but that’s how I see it in all honesty .

    A house divided like a two legged bar stool cannot stand without support . However that very support means that the two legged bar stool will remain a two leged bar stool and the house will remain as divided as before.

  • Greenflag

    ‘because their view of the world is not entirely rational’

    Since when has ‘rationality’ as a world view become the ne plus ultra for solving the NI constitutional mess? One could say that the GFA was a major effort down the rational road but it has now been ‘diverted’ into the irrational highways and byeways of NI’s myriad political cul de sac’s

    ‘So how do you proceed without threatening whilst giving reassurance? ‘

    You don’t . You go back to basics and fix the problem at it’s source on the basis of a fair and agreed Repartition of Northern Ireland so that the injustice of the 1920 Unionist/British imposed settlement can be undone . With that out of the way Unionists would be reassured that they will never be ‘outvoted’ into a UI against their majority consent . Recognising fully Unionist claims to be British, by withdrawing automatic entitlement of Irish citizenship to the British Unionists of a 2 county sized State, would also send Unionists a signal that the Irish Government was finished ‘playing’ pretend and fudge games with Unionists on this island .

    In truth there is nothing much beyond the above that can give Unionists the reassurance they need . Despite the repeal of Articles one and two in the Irish Constitution and the pledges made in the GFA by the Irish Government re ‘consent’ Unionist politicians and people are still distrustful of both Governments and particularly distrustful of SF .

    ‘I think we will agree to differ repartition is not a road I would go down. ‘

    I can understand your fears but I see it as the only road left . The GFA/NI Assembly road is a shambles despite both government’s pretence it isn’t . With Bertie Ahern now more focused on next year’s election and Tony Blair preparing to hand over the reins , Northern Ireland’s political and thus economic future will be put on ‘hold’ for another 2 years at least . I know many commentators are putting their faith in the Nov 24th deadline to motivate the parties . But this is a lamb that has cried wolf for too long . I suspect by Nov 24th Mr Hain’s replacement will be learning the NI ropes and will be as freshly mystified as Tory MP Edward Leigh, chairman of the House of Commons Public Accounts Committee, who declared himself mystified over the continuing absence of devolved government in Northern Ireland .

    Ignorance on Northern Ireland for an English politician Tory or othewise is a kind of bliss . And who can honestly blame them for not wanting to drink of the ‘poisoned’ chalice ?

    As you say we’ll agree to differ 🙂

  • Ghost of Tito

    Repartition = the greater Serbian problem

    Who wants to be the Irish Slobodan?

  • Greenflag

    ‘Why would the Irish government want to get the poor dependent bits of Northern Ireland ‘

    Because the Irish people in those areas will never overcome their ‘dependency’ as long as they are in a 6 county State . If Unionists are happy to continue their ‘dependency’ status within the UK in a 2 county size State then good luck to them IMO.

  • Greenflag

    ‘Repartition = the greater Serbian problem ‘

    A better scenario is the Czech and Slovakia ‘velvet’ separation or the more recent Serbia -Montenegro separation .

    There’s no point in trying to keep or include people in a State to which they have no desire to belong either in Northern Ireland or in Serbia . That was the Serbian problem and to a lesser extent the Croatian problem. And it is the Northern Ireland problem .

  • Harry

    What would the consequences of repartition be? I mean over the next 20 – 50 years? What compromise of our economic potential would it have? What ongoing instability might it bring? What advantage is there to the Irish in agreeing to a foothold in ireland for a british military presence? What strategic disadvantages has it for ireland?

    What strategic consequences might there be for us in allowing the british retain full control of the northern approaches to the Irish Sea? What repsonsibility in this regard might a more strongly assertive Europe lay upon is if we are close to Europe while Britain remains more distant?

  • PHIL

    Greenflag,

    Repartition is not the answer. Irish nationalism needs to move away from the ethnic kind of extremist nationalism and try to adopt a more civic kind of nationalism where ones race or religion is of no importance to your place in the nations make up. You can’t start creating micro-states for a part of your society just because they are different. All democratic nations are compromises that reflect the different make up of its people. If we started giving different ethnic groups in every country their own states then England would be divided into several statelets for all of our various people! Ireland should never have been partitioned in the first place, it would be criminal to repeat that mistake.

  • Dualta

    Greenflag,

    You claim that 100,000 nationalists in a 2 county northern state would not be a sizable minority.

    Firstly, there would be many more than that, closer to 200,000, but that aside, 10% of any society is a sizable minority. Also, how would they be treated?

    The same goes for those Unionists coerced into a UI, and let’s face it, which northern Nationalists would consent to be included into a 2 county territory and which Unionists would consent to being included into a UI as a group greatly diminished in number.

    The answer is none. You would have to coerce both groups. On this point alone your argument for repartition flounders.

    You have dismissed my argument by claiming it to be the traditional Nationalist line, which it is certainly not.

    Which nationalist party or leader has argued to abandon the Irish state as we know it for one agreed with Unionists? Hume yes, but he is was the first, and even then, he was not as precise as I have been. That’s hardly traditional Nationalism.

    Traditional Nationalism argues for a united Ireland, i.e. the inclusion of the north into the existant southern state. That represents a defeat to Unionists and garnering their consent to it would be next to impossible.

    Which Nationalist leader or party has even recognised the full extent of the sectarianism within our community? Even the SDLP struggles under the weight of the sectarianism held by its membership.

    You have also dismissed the two options I outlined as ‘junkie thinking’, (which I cannot understand what you mean by that), and which have been around for 80 years and have never worked. They have never really been tried. O’Neill suggested it on the Unionist side once and he was nearly hung from Carson’s statue!

    Finally, your argument shows that you don’t understand the nature of our problem and, therefore, you cannot provide a viable solution.

    The problem on this island can be best described as a ‘double-minority’ problem. You will have a minority of Nationalists in the North or a minority of Unionists in a United Ireland and both are resistant to that reality and prospect respectively.

    Your proposal would make it a triple-minority problem by dumping so many Unionists into the southern state. It’s not as if the Northern Nationalists would give up on the ideal of a UI, is it?

    You cannot overcome negative divisions within a society, by creating more negative divisions, which repartion would do.

    The way to overcome the double-minority issue is to overcome one minority’s resistance to being in a particular state.

    Either Unionists convince Nationalists that it is in their best interests to live in the UK or Nationalists persuade Unionists to join with us in building a new nation on this island to which we all can give our allegiance.

    Consent is necessary. Without it the cycle of sectarian violence will continue for generations.

  • Harry: Good points. Maybe the Orangies could be herded into a well sign posted Larne and that could be treated as a Treaty port, with plenty of extra one way ferries and cheap lager laid on.

    Controlling the seas is not al that important as England jumps to America’s tune in that respect.

    It might be more important to have Irish artillery overlooking Larne just like what the Israelis do the long suffering Palestineans.

    The main thing would be to let the spongers know their contribution. A dog track for them to march around in July might also be ceded as a sop.

  • Dualta

    Taigs,

    The problem with anger, is that it morefoten pushes reason to one side.

  • Greenflag

    The treatment of both ‘new’ minorities in a 30 county size Irish Republic and in a 2 county size Unionist State would be in accordance with the laws of both British and Irish States and European Union Human rights . Yuur ‘triple’ minority argument is a facile one. Already in the Irish Republic the number of Polish immigrants alone would outnumber the number of Unionists ‘transferred’ into a 30 county Republic as a result of the repartition of Northern Ireland .

    ‘It’s not as if the Northern Nationalists would give up on the ideal of a UI, is it? ‘

    I’m not suggesting they do. The new Unionist minority in a 30 county Irish Republic can also hold on to their aspirations. However practical politics post repartition would make both ‘new’ minorities politically powerless . Taken together both new minorities a total of approx 200,000 would amount to less than 4% of the total population on this island or about half the number of immigrants already in the Irish Republic .

    ‘Consent is necessary’.

    What does consent mean in practical numerical terms? 100% of the people of NI have to agree on the constitutional future of the province ? Even the GFA referendum could only manage 70% support within Northern Ireland .Compared to the 30 % opposition to the GFA and compared to the 47% Irish minority in Northern Ireland I believe having just 4% of the island’s population having to endure living in a political entity which would be their second preference would be a major advance on the present situation.

    ‘Without consent the cycle of sectarian violence will continue for generations. ‘

    Sorry I tend to believe that with or without consent the cycle will continue for generations anyway . As long as the Orange Order marches where it’s not wanted and as long as there is a 6 county NI political entity there will be sectarian violence . As long as there is Republican opposition to British rule in any part of Ireland there will inevitably be action and reaction and ‘normal’ politics will be impossible .

    So without wishing to upset ‘peace process’ activists or those who believe in fudging the issue in the hope that someday it will all go away I suggest that facing the issue and implementing a fair Repartition of Northern Ireland administered by a neutral international agency is the only practical solution at this time .

    As for persuading Irish nationalists to become Unionists or persuading Unionists that they are Irish – well you could also try persuading Palestinians they are Jewish orvice versa .

    Not going to happen . There is I know a small number of Northern Irish protestants who are Irish nationalist in outlook just as there are a small number of Irish catholic Unionists . There are other NI people who can describe themselves as British & Irish , Irish British , Anglo Irish etc etc etc . But all of these minority groups have one thing in common . They are seldom if ever elected in Northern Ireland.

    And that brings us back to the necessity for a permanent political solution of the NI problem which can only be repartition , and preferably one imposed by a neutral international agency .

  • Greenflag

    Harry,

    What compromise of our economic potential would it have?

    Repartition would be less expensive than a full UI . As for our economic potential a 30 county Irish Republic would have an increased labour force which would in time through increased productivity add both to their own prosperity and the State’s .

    ‘What ongoing instability might it bring? ‘

    Less instability than having 850,000 alienatd and disgruntled former Unionists in a political entity which they are forced into without their consent . Those who foresee ‘irredentist’ republicans starting a new ‘civil war ‘ over repartition need to remember how the Irish Free States ‘civil war’ ended in 1923 in 6 months .

    ‘What advantage is there to the Irish in agreeing to a foothold in ireland for a british military presence?

    The same advantage as at present except reduced from a 6 county area to a 2 county area i.e

    ‘What strategic disadvantages has it for ireland? ‘

    None that I can think of . The UK is vastly superior to the Irish Republic in terms of miltary power /navy /numbers etc etc . There is not a whole lot the Irish could do to resist a full scale British ‘attack’ /invasion of Ireland regardless of whether we are a 26 county /30 county or 32 county republic. Yes we could appeal to the UN/US etc etc but the above is an unlikely scenario given that both countries are members of both the EU and UN.

  • Greenflag

    Phil,

    ‘Repartition is not the answer.’

    So what is the answer ? If you know it please also include the practical steps needed to achieve it.

    ‘Irish nationalism needs to move away from the ethnic kind of extremist nationalism and try to adopt a more civic kind of nationalism where ones race or religion is of no importance to your place in the nations make up’

    The Irish Republic in modern times is already well advanced down the road of ‘civic’ nationalism . SFAIK we have had at least two Protestant Presidents and several Government Ministers , several Jewish Lord Mayors and Governmentt Ministers etc etc . And today we have 400,000 non ethnically Irish immigrants composed of people from Poland , Lithuania , China , Bulgaria , etc etc etc etc . In less than a decade the number of foreign born immigrants in the present day Irish Republic will outnumber the population of Unionists in Northern Ireland .

    ‘You can’t start creating micro-states for a part of your society just because they are different.’

    Firstly Northern Ireland i.e the 6 counties is not a part of our society at least not in the political sense . Secondly ‘differences’ per se have nothing to do with Repartition . People can be different as regards their religion/race/national culture in both the Irish Republic and the UK . The question is should they be be forced to ‘politically’be in the same if they disagree fundamentally on the nature of the State .

    The English example you give misses the point . England has many regions and there are probably more ethnic /cultural differences between the North and South of England than there is in Ireland . But there is no constitutional difference in politics in England between North & South . They are all supporters of the British Constitution . Britain as a State has the support of the vast majority of it’s citizens as has the Irish Republic . Northern Ireland does not have that kind of legitimacy and never had would be my point.As a 6 county State they can’t have it either .

    ‘ Ireland should never have been partitioned in the first place, ‘

    Perhaps . But given that the constitutional differences between Unionists and Nationalists were as great then as they are now , partition was the easiest way out for HMG .

    ‘it would be criminal to repeat that mistake. ‘

    The mistake perhaps was not partition. The mistake was including too many Irish nationalists in the Unionist State . And we Irish are now supposed to believe that including an even greater number of Unionists in a 32 county Irish State against their expressed will is not a mistake ?

    Sorry I don’t buy it. Of course in some mythical future land of Shangri La or Tir Na Nog Unionists may give their political consent to a UI. And pigs may fly too . Meanwhile on planet earth I believe it would be best to allow the cartographers get on with changing the line of the border under the auspices of a neutral international agency.

  • Dualta

    Greenflag,

    Your comparison of the number of Polish immigrants and the potential number of Unionists in the Irish Repubublic after any repartition doesn’t hold water, inasmuch as the Poles want to be there.

    Furthermore, the chances of achieving the consent of either community or either government for repartition are nil. It’s a non-runner. It will merely prolong the agony.

    An all-island nation is, at the very least, the beginning of the end of division on this island.

  • Dualta

    Greenflag,

    And on a final note. The percentage of Nationalists in your proposed two county territory would be roughly the same as the percentage of Unionists/Protestants in an all-island state, about 1/5 or 1/6 of the total population. If creating workable majorities is what your proposing then why not keep it simple?

  • stephen

    nonsense.

    If there ever was an attempt to unite Ireland, then the loyalists would replicate the ira’s violent struggle.

    Also, you are forgetting that most of the south dont want anything to do with our ‘ problems’.

    Even the government dont want sfira in their government, but of course, hypocritically want us to embrace them. yuk yuk yuk.

    It is a dream and will stay that way. If the rest of Ireland want to join us in the UK, then that would be both sensible and logical.

  • Also Poles weant to work and spongers don’t

  • Greenflag

    ‘Your comparison of the number of Polish immigrants and the potential number of Unionists in the Irish Repubublic after any repartition doesn’t hold water, inasmuch as the Poles want to be there. ‘

    So the fact that the British Unionists don’t want to be ‘there ‘ in an Irish Republic doesn’t hold water either ?

    ‘Furthermore, the chances of achieving the consent of either community or either government for repartition are nil. It’s a non-runner. It will merely prolong the agony. ‘

    As opposed to the present situation which does not prolong the ‘agony’ because of the imminent power sharing agreement between the DUP and SF at midnight Nov 23rd ? or perhaps at Easter 2216 AD?

    ‘ An all-island nation is etc etc ‘

    Fine but how is this all island nation to be created in the face of irreconcilable political and constitutional divisions never mind sectarian differences. Like the doctor who pronounces the terminally patient is cured by just saying so your methodology to achieve this all island nation is suspect by it’s lack of visibility or content.

    ‘The percentage of Nationalists in your proposed two county territory would be roughly the same as the percentage of Unionists/Protestants in an all-island state, about 1/5 or 1/6 of the total population.’

    At most the Nationalists in a 2 county size Unionist State would number 12% and nowhere near 20%. In addition the 100,000 ‘new ‘ minority on either side of the new border would probably reduce over time through assimilation and through probably about a third of each new minority moving back to the ‘right side’ of the new border . Thus both the Irish nationalist minority in the new State and the Unionist minority in a 30 county Republic would probably be less than 70,000 each or less within 5 years of Repartition .

    I’m sure you are attached to the idea of an ‘island ‘ nation but ‘island’ by itself is not the most important factor as regards ‘nationality’. I’ll admit to ‘geographical ‘ convenience but then Cyprus , Hispaniola , Indonesia Aceh , etc etc are all examples of politically divided islands.

  • Greenflag

    ‘If there ever was an attempt to unite Ireland, then the loyalists would replicate the ira’s violent struggle. ‘

    Fine as long as they keep their powder dry during Repartition . Of course if they want to shoot at UN troops well they can also stand trial at the Hague a la Milosevic .

    ‘Also, you are forgetting that most of the south dont want anything to do with our ‘ problems’. ‘

    Correct but you don’t define the problem . Let me help you . The problem is Unionism . Repartition takes care of that by excluding Unionism from a 30 county Irish Republic .

    ‘If the rest of Ireland want to join us in the UK, then that would be both sensible and logical. ‘

    Sorry chief we tried that before and I’m afraid the results were not good . Losing half your population and being reduced to the poorest part of the UK may have been acceptable to the British Unionists of Ireland but the vast majority of Irish people in Ireland have come to believe otherwise . One look at Northern Ireland’s ‘junkie’ economy and farcical ‘politics today just helps confirm the sense and logic of our choice .

  • Brian Boru

    “Fine but how is this all island nation to be created in the face of irreconcilable political and constitutional divisions never mind sectarian differences. Like the doctor who pronounces the terminally patient is cured by just saying so your methodology to achieve this all island nation is suspect by it’s lack of visibility or content.”

    I don’t accept it’s irreconcilable. There is no precedent for the British reincorporating territory into it’s state after granting it independence. And the British will not want anything to do with military action in the 6 counties after a UI. The Unionists will therefore have to come to terms with the new reality of a UI in which people are treated equally instead of the Orange Supremacism of the past.

    “If there ever was an attempt to unite Ireland, then the loyalists would replicate the ira’s violent struggle.”

    They would not be able to because they lack the size and of the arsenal the Provos had. They also lack their intelligence-gathering capabilities. Unlike the Provos, they also lack a sponsor regime like Libya in the 80’s (from where the Provos got most of their arsenal).

    “Furthermore, the chances of achieving the consent of either community or either government for repartition are nil. It’s a non-runner. It will merely prolong the agony.

    An all-island nation is, at the very least, the beginning of the end of division on this island.”

    Correct Dualta.

    “It is a dream and will stay that way. If the rest of Ireland want to join us in the UK, then that would be both sensible and logical.”

    It would not be sensible to return the South to the status of Third World country it had under the Union. No return to the days when millions had to get the boat to Liverpool.

    “The mistake perhaps was not partition. The mistake was including too many Irish nationalists in the Unionist State . And we Irish are now supposed to believe that including an even greater number of Unionists in a 32 county Irish State against their expressed will is not a mistake ? ”

    I accept that including so many Catholics in the Unionist state was crazy. But partition itself was wrong. It violated natural justice and democracy. The British should have pursued the “Algerian option” and just gotten out. The French faced similar threats from the OAS (which tried even to kill De Gaulle and threatened to invade France) as the Brits did from the Old UVF.

    “Who wants to be the Irish Slobodan?”

    Noone.

  • lib2016

    The situation is changing yearly and unionism is a beaten docket, hence the recent collapse of all the unionist institutions.

    The only successful Orange institution at the moment is the DUP which is a last desperate throwback to the 16th Century and visibly unable to deal with the compromises necessary if they are to share power, hence all the attacks on Sinn Fein for negotiating and modernising their policies.

    We’re lucky enough to have a ringside seat for the birth of a new inclusive and post unionist Ireland.

  • Greenflag

    ‘I don’t accept it’s irreconcilable. ‘

    I suspect it’s your psychic powers and not your sight , vision or hearing that enable you to see/hear that SF and the DUP are on the verge of an historic breakthrough ?

    ‘There is no precedent for the British reincorporating territory into it’s state after granting it independence. ‘

    So what? There was no precedent for the State of Israel and prior to the American Revolution there had been no precedent for any colony in declaring itself ‘independent’ ?

    ‘The British should have pursued the “Algerian option” and just gotten out.’

    Easy to say in hindsight . The result would have been 20,000 plus dead if not more and probably would have ended with a 4 county size Unionist State in Ulster anyway .

    ‘I accept that including so many Catholics in the Unionist state was crazy. But partition itself was wrong. It violated natural justice and democracy.’

    Of course but hang on here a minute . Did anybody ever tell you that life isn’t fair ? It isn’t now and it was’nt in 1920 either .

    ‘The Unionists will therefore have to come to terms with the new reality of a UI ‘

    And how exactly do you propose to do that ?

    I’m suggesting it’s not worth the candle!

  • stephen

    more nonsense….

    Keep dreaming guys, you will never see a united ireland…