Shoukris expelled from UDA…

AS Andre’s court case takes a twist, it’s announced that the Shoukri brothers have just been kicked out of the UDA. More later…

  • Rory

    Perhaps someone has at last puzzled out that his name is not a traditionally Ulster protestant one.

    But, whatever the Racial Equality Commission might say, that seems a valid reason for expulsion to me.

    After all you dont get many “Johnny Adairs” or “Ian Paisleys” in Al Quaida or Hamas – be fair now – do you?

  • Realist

    How can they have been expelled?

    According to the courts, they were not members in the first place.

  • Pete Baker

    For anyone waiting for more from Gonzo *ahem*

    The BBC report has some more detail.

    and since the Belfast Telegraph et al have been predicting this, as an imminent announcement, for the past month, it does at least prove that even a stopped clock can be right some of the time.

    How this fits in with the comments of Judge Burgess is worth considering.. was the decision not to proceed with those membership charges influenced by reassurances from someone that the membership had been, or was about to be, revoked?.. perhaps by someone about to be seen glad-handing, again, with the head of state of the Republic of Ireland?

  • Peking

    ‘perhaps by someone about to be seen glad-handing, again, with the head of state of the Republic of Ireland.’

    You have, as they say, hit the nail right on the head.
    There is barely even an attempt made now to conceal the depth of corrruption and contamination here.

  • mark adams

    Do they get a redundancy package? Do they keep their balaclava’s? What? Perhap’s they could open a shop – shoukri sweets

  • Belfast Gonzo

    UDA statement:

    “We, the ruling body of the above named association, have, following a protracted period of negotiation and investigation, decided to expel a few individual members from our association in North Belfast.”

    It’s understood Alan McLean has been kicked out as well.

  • Crataegus

    I would like to thank the people who are acting as witnesses against Andre, difficult decision to take. From what I hear many will rejoice if Andre is confined.

    So one wonders why the UDA are replacing them? What is so noticeable different between the Egyptian brothers and the rest of the organisation? It is hardly a matter of saints and sinners?

  • Rory

    It’s possibly a conflict over lack of observance of strict dietary habits. The old Buckfast/Tennent’s Superglue division rising its ugly head again.

  • Colm

    Perhaps they could go to an industrial tribunal. They might have a case for unfair dismissal. And if that doesn’t work, they could always try the good old Human Rights Act..

  • Crataegus

    Rory

    Could be a matter of dress sense; Andre has a thing about suits and looking smart. Just the wrong image.

  • Rory

    I don’t know, lads. We can only but idly speculate. As that most popular of all great American philosophers once sang “Fools give you reasons/wise men never try”. Thank you, Elvis.

  • loftholdingswood

    “So one wonders why the UDA are replacing them? What is so noticeable different between the Egyptian brothers and the rest of the organisation? It is hardly a matter of saints and sinners?”

    There are many differences but, to put it as succinctly as possible, the transition that the vast majority of the rank and file wants is not shared by a small minority. So those in the small minority that cannot or will not accept change will have to leave the stage. There is a huge gulf between what the vast majority want and what a handful of the minority want. This announcement today marks a huge turning point and, finally, represents what has been asked for (demanded even) for a long time.

  • elvis parker

    Maybe they’ll join the Ulster Unionists? I mean who better than this pair of hoods to help bring loyalists in from the cold Reg? And after all they’re a bit out in the cold themselves so doubtless the UUP will be tripping over themselves to comfort them.
    I mean its not like they’re in an organisation that’s up to its necks in crime and murder?

  • Pat

    Andrex and Etab – Their only crime Loyalty!

    Maybe an old friend of theirs in Troon can put them up for a while.

  • harpo

    ‘There are many differences but, to put it as succinctly as possible, the transition that the vast majority of the rank and file wants is not shared by a small minority.’

    What transition is that then?

    From politically motivated defenders of the people, to a mafia-like crime organization?

    Or vice versa?

    That reply sounds as pompous as any from PIRA apologists and they way they spout on as if their terrorist organization is supposed to have some legitimate say in the way things should be. To me, neither the PIRA or the UDA should have any say in anything. They are terrorists and organized criminal thugs, and any attempts to portray them as anything else should be challenged.

    So while some talk of them as if they have feelings that have to be considered, I say bugger that. I doubt that the UDA in this case has any thoughts about the good of society as a whole. I’d say they are just interested in eliminating any elements that won’t play ball in their ongoing moves to becoming an ‘accepted’ organized crime syndicate.

  • Rory

    Whoops!

    I can see that this debate is best advanced from contributions from those within the unionist/loyalist community and I do not now think that my whimsical remarks added much light.

    The lack of response to my possibly provocative remarks from these contributors demonstrates their maturity in the face of my lack of it.

    Contrite apologies.

  • loftholdingswood

    It is more in the way of a political and social transition. Criminality is an entirely separate issue and is being dealt with (with varying results in each respective area). I am more interested in the transition from naive used working class Loyalists to confident, politically aware Loyalists who are confident in where they want to take their people. There is an upsurge in support in the position that the UPRG and the Inner Council wish to take. Deride it of course, the middle class and the media are hell bent on keeping the status quo of depicting us as Neanderthal thugs and drug addled swine. It gives people a reason to fear the bogeyman. Change is coming and with change comes fear and loathing. And violence no doubt. That is the nature of the beast.

    I see only positives from today. The doubters and the media pundits and the clueless see what they want to see. It will not change the direction we are going in and it will not change the principles that we are getting back to.

  • lofholdingswood

    “the middle class and the media are hell bent on keeping the status quo of depicting us as Neanderthal thugs and drug addled swine.”

    Did you ever think that maybe they simply see these events as cheap publicity stunts now that loyalists have finally caught on to the benefits of a PR department a la Sinn Fein/the IRA. That’s certainly what it looks like to me: a simple case of loyalists looking at Republicans muttering “look what they got” and trying to emulate it.

    So far I’ve seen a lot of high profile expulsions, yes, but is there any sign that they intend to give up the lives of crime?

    It’s a big step from doubting the sincerity of the loyalist paramilitaries to what you seem to be suggesting, which is that people want them to be up to their necks in drugs and crime.

  • loftholdingswood

    It is not just the high profile expulsions. Real progress is being made in all levels and in all areas. But you do have a point about looking at the Sinn Fein political machine and realising that, yes indeed, we can and should be putting our position in a more positive light. Also known as spin!. For too long we have let our so called political leaders in the UUP and DUP speak on behalf of Loyalist working class areas when they do not give a damn for us most of the time. I have always maintained that the UPRG should hit the airways in a similar vein to David Ervine and speak up and to the membership. All too often our spokesmen have been handcuffed by the tiny but vocal minority who have wanted to keep things the same whilst they line their own pockets. But this has changed and today’s very important announcement is just a start on what will become the total transformation that is taking place in the UDA. This in turn worries people hence my comments about certain people happy to see us as mere criminals and not people aspiring to a better way. The status quo keeps so many people in so many high paid jobs. We want to change that and I am sure we will.

    I can’t emphasise enough the importance of the statement today.

  • Pete Baker

    “Also known as spin!” Indeed. Led, I’d suggest, and implied earlier, by the NIO.. and where is Jonathan Powell anyway?

    As Peking correctly pointed out in the comments, it is another indication of the depth of the corruption and contamination of the political [and judicial] system which was supposed to enable and assist progress to the fully peaceful democratic society which was held up as an objective in 1998.

  • P113

    Who actually gives a fuck about these jumped up hoodies, promoted to the status of wanabees for the sake of protecting the Union…somebody pass the pyramid ice cream……..

  • Crataegus

    Loftholdingswood

    depicting us as Neanderthal thugs and drug addled swine.

    I’ll settle for swine the adjectives really are superfluous. How else do you describe a group that murder and extort. I have very good reason to hold the UDA in such esteem and I see no redeeming features.

    I can’t emphasise enough the importance of the statement today.

    I genuinely hope that you are right and wish you every success in that particular endeavour, but until I see some concrete sign of change for me the UDA will remain a second rate organised crime syndicate.

    With regards politics, if any of you have any sense you would distance yourself from association with the UDA. Political poison in most Unionist areas though I do agree that working class areas need proper representation I don’t think that this is the best way of achieving that goal.

  • pitt park

    Who is likely to take over the ‘drugs gang’ in North Belfast.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Loftholdingswood:

    For too long we have let our so called political leaders in the UUP and DUP speak on behalf of Loyalist working class areas when they do not give a damn for us most of the time.

    Jesus, I wish I could a quid each time this old chestnut was rolled out.

    If loyalists don’t want to be represented by the UUP/DUP then why do they keep flipping voting for them ? Why do they consistently reject the political representatives of the UVF/UDA whenever they stand for election ?

  • gg

    I will not vote for any political party linked to the UDA. I feel no reason to reward someone for stopping what they shouldn’t have been doing in the first place. (And if I were a nationalist, I wouldn’t vote for SF for exactly the same reason.)

  • bertie

    gg

    Absolutley! I am sick and tired of this presure for us all to pretend that we’ve all been up to our ears in terorims and criminality in the past so that we can all have a group hug wallow in our communal guilt and “move on” together,

  • Rapunsel

    “But this has changed and today’s very important announcement is just a start on what will become the total transformation that is taking place in the UDA. ”

    The only positive transformation that I can imagine is needed that the UDA dissolve . So much for the expulsion of a couple of thugs and bully boys– I wasn’t aware that there were people in the UDA who weren’t. I notice that the Belfast Telegraph reported tonight that it is coming to the anniversary of the murder of that young guy in Lisburn, beaten to death by UDA men. For a start and a real transformation in the UDA let’s see the organisation and it’s affiliated ex prisoner groups and politicos in Lisburn passing on the details of the people involved in this disgusting crime to the Police.

  • Sure, even the mad dogs on the street know they are Touts.

    they just reached their “sell by date”

  • Peking

    Rapunsel
    Yes, I agree entirely about the wee lad in Lisburn.
    I wonder within whose UDA domain does Lisburn lie?

  • Nevin

    Bertie, if you want such a group hug perhaps you should head for Finaghy Crossroads when Mary McAleese comes to town!!

  • bertie

    Nevin

    *shudders*

  • HLA

    I think its a disgrace that the Shoukri brothers have been constantly victimised and portrayed as ‘thugs’ and ‘criminal gangsters’ over this past several years by the media. The majority of people are naive and narrow minded to believe everything they read in the papers. Both Andre and Ihab Shouhri are very caring, down to earth men, who if anything, have tried to help their local community. Its very convenient the media fail to mention about the community work they have done i.e. setting up youth clubs to keep young people off the streets and out of trouble, coaching local football teams and encouraging young people to aim for their goals in life.
    To be frank, I think people should look at the wider picture instead of commenting on people and things they really know nothing about.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Aye, saints the lot of them(!)

  • HLA

    If you would have taken the time to actually read my comment, u would have realised that unfortunately u obviously fall into the catagory of being ‘narrow minded.’ Everyone is entitled to their own opinion however I think its abit of a ‘cop out’ for people, like yourself, to judge people you dont actually know. May your opinion/comment be based on the media, religion or origin – it would maybe be an idea to remind you that it takes all kinds to make a world and also in recent years both the media and our justice system have been criticized worldwide for its incompetance and victimisation.