FIFA removes Irish penalty rule…

THE Sindo reports that FIFA is about to make a textbook U-turn and announce that players for Northern Ireland won’t have to carry a British passport any longer and an Irish passport will thus be regarded as valid to demonstrate a player’s eligibility. So everybody wins… especially the mystery NI player who refused to carry a British passport!

  • Ziznivy

    Sanity has prevailed. Good news for the IFA.

  • Norman

    Considering the number of ifa flags being put up with orange order & other loyalist flags to celebrate the 12th of July, i’m surprised players don’t have to produce their lodge membership cards when playing.

  • Paul

    A surprisingly logical decision from FIFA.

    “So everybody wins… especially the mystery NI player who refused to carry a British passport!”

    I think it was rather his family who were unhappy….allegedly;)

  • Ziznivy

    “Considering the number of ifa flags being put up with orange order & other loyalist flags to celebrate the 12th of July, i’m surprised players don’t have to produce their lodge membership cards when playing.
    Posted by Norman on Jun 18, 2006 @ 08:55 PM”

    What a stupid comment! How on earth can the IFA be held responsible for where people choose to put up an IFA flag?

  • Paul

    Ziznivy

    “Norman” and his many aliases is a troll who infests this site any time a thread on here starts about the Northern Ireland team.

    I believe he’s the man who once claimed once to have seen King William and Oliver Cromwell joining the GAWA in the ritual sacrifice of a certain overweight Celtic centre forward before last year’s Wales game.

    If we ignore him, hopefully he’ll soon scuttle away and join the rest of his mates under the floorboards.

  • Norman

    “I believe he’s the man who once claimed once to have seen King William and Oliver Cromwell joining the GAWA in the ritual sacrifice of a certain overweight Celtic centre forward before last year’s Wales game.”

    Wales game blighted by sectarian abuse

    (Keith Bourke, Irish News)

    Northern Ireland soccer’s attempt to clean up its image suffered a setback on Saturday when sectarian abuse was directed at Wales and Celtic forward John Hartson.

    Hartson was booed throughout the match for his Celtic links and the Welsh national anthem was drowned out by some Northern Ireland supporters.

    The big striker compared the atmosphere at Windsor Park on Saturday to “playing at Ibrox”.

    The IFA is trying hard to rid the game in Northern Ireland of sectarianism, but the boo boys were out again on Saturday.

    In 2002 Glasgow Celtic midfielder Neil Lennon retired from international football after receiving a death threat

    SDLP assembly member for East Derry, John Dallat, said he was not surprised at the abuse directed at Hartson.

    “I’m disappointed but not surprised because there’s still a hardcore group of fans out there who still use football as outlet for sectarianism,” he said.

  • Keith M

    A bit of common sense as the only successful and lasting legacy of the 1998 agreement is the resolution of cross border relations which allowed people in N.I., to hold Irish passports. If this was good enough for the people of the U.K. and Ireland, it should be good emnough for FIFA.

    There are also other footballing examples where (for examples) players representing the Faroes that have never have visited the islands in their entire lives qualify to play if they have a Danish passport.

    “What a stupid comment! How on earth can the IFA be held responsible for where people choose to put up an IFA flag?”

    Indeed, it would be akin to blaming Celtic for in volvement in the Dublin riots because some of the hooligans had Celtic shirts on. Pure nonsense.

    “Hartson was booed throughout the match for his Celtic links .

    Happens every time a Rangers player plays in Dublin as well I’m afraid.

  • brian

    “A bit of common sense as the only successful and lasting legacy of the 1998 agreement is the resolution of cross border relations which allowed people in N.I., to hold Irish passports.”

    People within the 32 counties of Ireland have always been eligable for an Irish passport.

  • ted

    Is it not about time that serious consideration was given to the formation of an all Ireland team

    Jennings, Best & Dougan all supported the formation of an all Ireland team.

  • Keith M Hartson was booed throughout the match for his Celtic links. Happens every time a Rangers player plays in Dublin as well I’m afraid.
    Altough I can’t comment on whether Rangers players are booed in Dublin, please remember soccer clubs in the North of Ireland have been directly implicated in sectarian killings. Remember that young woman who was lured to her death after going to a party in one?
    Fact is Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales should not have their own soccer teams as 1. they are crap; 2. they are not sovereign nations. 3. the intenrational community would be better off without htem.

  • Taigs

    “please remember soccer clubs in the North of Ireland have been directly implicated in sectarian killings. Remember that young woman who was lured to her death after going to a party in one?”

    That post says all I need to know about you and where you are coming from.

    Please link to the murderous football clubs story.

  • Keith M

    Brian“People within the 32 counties of Ireland have always been eligable for an Irish passport.”

    Yes but it only beccame a constitutionally defined right in 1998. “It is the entitlement and birthright of every person born in the island of Ireland, which includes its islands and seas, to be part of the Irish nation. That is also the entitlement of all persons otherwise qualified in accordance with law to be citizens of Ireland.”

    Taigs “Fact is Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales should not have their own soccer teams as 1. they are crap; 2. they are not sovereign nations. 3. the intenrational community would be better off without htem.”

    1 : If having a crap team stopped countries having a national team, we could wipe 20 teams out of UEFA and probably over 100 out of FIFA.

    2 : There are several countries which are not sovereign states which have national football teams. Off the top of my head I can list Macao, Hong Kong, Palestine and The Faroes, but I’m sure there are a lot more as FIFA has over 200 members.

    Personally I would agree with you and that the U.K. should have one national team rather than four.

    Is it not about time that serious consideration was given to the formation of an all Ireland team.

    If having one soverign state represented by four teams is bad, have two juristicions represented by one team would be a complete nonsense, and FIFA would not allow it because it creates a very dangerous precedent. Recently the IOC has allowed the two Koreas march behind one banner but FIFA is far more restrictive on things like that.

  • Pakman: Look up Anne Marie Smyth and Gletoran befroe you open your mouth again.

    Keith: Interesting but inappropriate examples I think. Paelestine: Do the Israelis allow them to compete? Also Israel should not be in any European competition. Let them play the Arabs on a level playing field for once.

  • George

    Brian,
    before the Good Friday Agreement, there were less than 30,000 Irish passport holders in Northern Ireland. Today there are over 200,000.

    Keithm,
    I was at that game against Denmark when Lovenkrands was booed and many more Ireland fans actually cheered him. I assume this is the incident you are talking about.

    Not saying that there hasn’t been an infiltration by the hoops in recent years but I wouldn’t compare it to the Celtic-Rangers obsession north of the border.

  • George: You have reference for your Irish passport figures? Though Hong Kong Chinese collect passports the way most kids colect used stamps

  • Realist

    Sense has prevailed.

    Oh, and I know who the “mystery player” is 🙂

    Taigs,

    Perhaps you will expand on how exactly Glentoran Football Club are implicated in the brutal murder of Ann Marie Smyth?

    What could the officials of the football club have done to stop it?

  • Scotsman

    It’s groundhog day all over again, as someone else demands that the world’s oldest international football fixture, Scotland v England, be outlawed by the highly democratic and not at all corrupt FIFA.

    Incidentally, history records that England have won the fixture 44 times to Scotland’s 41.

    I fail to see how ending this fixture will be better for the international comunity.

    Besides, football is a game of associations, not states.

    Not many Catalans backing Spain, despite Catalans in the side. They’d rather have their own team, even if it were “crap.”

    They’ve had enough of fascists telling them to support, and so have I :0)

  • I think it says a lot about sliding standards of debate here that we can’t even have one post about the Northern Ireland football team without some muppets throwing up half-facts about off-topic issues, that have already been discussed in response to posts about those matters, simply to vent their own petty bitterness.

    If it’s ok with Norman, I’d like to make a point about the original story. I’m happy for FIFA to reverse their decision but to say the “Department of Foreign Affairs has forced soccer’s world governing body to abandon moves” and that it ‘violates’ the GFA is getting a bit carried away. FIFA was not a signatory of and is not bound by the GFA, although their position and their explanation of it seemed entirely inconsistent (a southern passport may not demonstrate conclusively a player is eligible for NI, but neither does a UK one).

    Oh, and Paisley Jr’s dummy-spit reaction is sad. One would think there are more important issues he could fight with regards to keeping politics out of sport.

  • Beano: Sectarianism and the NI soccer team are like Siamese twins. Remember when they played the South at Windsor Park in the World Cup? I sincerely hope you do not think Ms Smyth’s murder was a sign of “petty bitterness” here.

    The passport issue is important and if George’s figures are correct, both pre and after Irish passports are very interesting. Both seem very low to me so I would like to learn.

    Realist: Her murder didn’t cost them a second’s thought. Theirs is the true face of soccer there. Nothing has changed since Belfast Celtic got the red/orange card.

    The Hong Kong,. Macao etc examples are interesting but the Home Countries were in at the bginning of international football. Time to chuck that I think.

    Good point about the British passport not being a necessary qualifier but it must be hard for FIFA to make sense of failed entities like the 6 cos.

  • Paul

    “Realist: Her murder didn’t cost them a second’s thought. Theirs is the true face of soccer there. Nothing has changed since Belfast Celtic got the red/orange card”

    Taigs
    You come out with some incredible shite sometimes and it’s usually the best policy is just to let you wallow in it, but this particuliar sentence can’t go unchallenged.

    The horrific murder of Anne Marie Smith was not the “true face of soccer”.

    It was not sanctioned by Glentoran Fc or the IFA.

    I’ll repeat, it was a brutal sectarian murder with fuck all to do with “soccer”.

  • Mike

    Beano –

    “I think it says a lot about sliding standards of debate here that we can’t even have one post about the Northern Ireland football team without some muppets throwing up half-facts about off-topic issues, that have already been discussed in response to posts about those matters, simply to vent their own petty bitterness.”

    Yes, it aptheitc and completely depressingly predictable. It really does highlight a decline in the standard of comments and commenters on Slugger. As soon as I saw the title to this thread I knew that on reading the comments I would be ‘treated’ to the usual stream of hate-filled bile.

    ‘Taigs’:

    “Sectarianism and the NI soccer team are like Siamese twins. Remember when they played the South at Windsor Park in the World Cup? ”

    Times have changed immensely since 1993. I’m sure you’re aware of this as far as NI as a whole is concerned, can you not accept this is the case for NI matches too? There is no secxtarian singing at NI matches, which take place in an excellent carnival atmosphere – thanks to the work of the IFA and NI fans. It’s sad that narrow-minded prejudiced indiviuals (and I don’t know whether you are one or not, these people are surrounded by a penumbra of the ill-informed) can’t accept times have changed and prefer to wallow in the past, which is evidently more confortmable for them than accepting the work that has been done and is being done in the present day.

  • Mike

    Scotsman

    “It’s groundhog day all over again, as someone else demands that the world’s oldest international football fixture, Scotland v England, be outlawed by the highly democratic and not at all corrupt FIFA”

    Presicely. We in the home countries of the UK invented international football. the first international match took place between Scotland and England. The first international competition was the British International Championship. The first competitive international match was between Ireland and Scotland, in Belfast. All this took place a long time before FIFA even existed, so to say FIFA should be dictating that the four UK teams merge is somehwat flawed.

    And as you say, the likes of Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan (‘Chinese Taipei’), the Faroe Islands, Palestine, American Samoa, Bermuda, the Cook Islands, etc have international teams.

  • Realist

    Taigs,

    “Realist: Her murder didn’t cost them a second’s thought. Theirs is the true face of soccer there”

    Can you please answer my question. How are the officials of Glentoran football Club implicated in the brutal murder of Ms Smyth, and what could they have done to stop it?

    What are your thoughts on other sporting associations that permit clubs and trophies to be named after members of death squads who were responsible for sectarian murder, and who knowingly included members of said death squads within their membership?

    As for John Hartson, isn’t he the baffoon recently caught on video dancing a drunken jig at a Celtic supporters function in Donegal when the patrons were singing ditties glorifying members of sectarian death squads?

  • Paul: So you agree with Gerry Adams that we should move on? Ok, I guess.

    The definition of football varies form place to place. Soccer is soccer, Gaelic is Gaelic and rugby is boring.
    Mike: So some tradition from over 100 years ago is a reason to give the so called UK 4 teams and most others one? Democracy, “UK” style. I’d be interested in more news on the Palestine team.

    And Pail: before I tune in to watch Togo (hopefully beat Switzerland, Scotland are not up to much and never will be again I guess due to the internationalization of the game. Same goes for Wales and the two Paddy squads. How many Taigs and Huns play for the Old Firm now as a matter of interest? Not so many I would reckon unless baptisms are a condition to secure a work entry.

    Outy the Iirsh team, Ivory Coast has not done well.

    Now on to football: Good resultby Louth but I reckon they won’t get a second chance.

  • @taigs:

    You’re not worth taking seriously.

    Glentoran FC had NOTHING to do with the Anne-Marie Smyth murder. Your link is so tenuous, it’s embarrassing.

    “please remember soccer clubS in the North of Ireland have been directly implicated in sectarian killings” Go one, name one, I dare you.

    As for the whole Hartson abuse, not wanting to make you out to be a hypocrite here, but did not Lovenkrands receive a similar response one time at Lansdowne when playing for Denmark? People in glass houses should shut the fu ck up.

    “Now on to football: Good resultby Louth”

    Hmm, methinks if you asked 99.9999999999999% of the world’s population what they understood by football, they would not talk about GAA. Petty man.

  • Realist

    It seems as if booing Old Firm players is “OK” – at least according to these Celtic/ROI fans.

    They claim it is not sectarian, so Big John was fair game for the bird.

    http://www.ok2boo.com/faq.php

    Anyone for a dose of double standards?

  • Cahal

    “Hmm, methinks if you asked 99.9999999999999% of the world’s population what they understood by football, they would not talk about GAA. Petty man.”

    Here’s a hint Jimhancot:

    “Notes on Northern Ireland Politics and Culture”

    Does anybody care about this ruling except the one mystery player. If he cares so much about not carrying a Brit passport, why is he representing the North?

  • kensei

    “It seems as if booing Old Firm players is “OK” – at least according to these Celtic/ROI fans.

    They claim it is not sectarian, so Big John was fair game for the bird.

    http://www.ok2boo.com/faq.php

    Anyone for a dose of double standards? ”

    Opposition players are always fair game. Ergo Big John was fair game.

  • Jim: You have the same disdain for the young lady abducted and killed from Glentoran as Glentoran have. Her death was glossed over at the time But then, she was only a Taig, like so many others.

    As regards the Old Firm: two second rate teams in a fifth rate league. (though the English Premiership is going the same way). They milked that shit down the years for all it was worth but now they want out of Scotland as they need more $$. The difference between Rangers and Celtic historically was Catholics in Glasgow had fuck all else besides Celtic. Sectarianism I think they call it. Maybe much like Belfast Celtic or Derry City.

    Football: Well Americans call soccer soccer for a start. Abd so do Ossies. So if we speak to the English speaking world, soccer is a minority game, just as it is in Ireland

    And as regards death squads and the GAA: I supose that excuses torturing Co Derry GAA men simply because htye like Gaelic football. And of course discriminating against them when they win the All Ireland cup, called after a Protestant.

    A game of football should be just that, a game but with the “Two world wars and a world cup” brigade”, it is always something else for the last of the bulldog breed.

    Maybe learn some decorum like rugby fans.

  • Realist

    “And as regards death squads and the GAA: I supose that excuses torturing Co Derry GAA men simply because htye like Gaelic football”

    Taigs.

    Absolutely not.

    I abhor your insinuation that it should.

    The “sure wasn’t Sam a Prod” line always creases me 🙂

    “Maybe learn some decorum like rugby fans”

    I am a rugby fan – Ulster & Ireland.

    Maybe a sport that is set up along identicle lines as the IRFU, could learn a thing or two about cross community support from it, ie. ditch the political claptrap.

  • Mike … one point …
    “so to say FIFA should be dictating that the four UK teams merge is somehwat flawed.”

    Not at all as FIFA are the ruling authority NOT the 4 UK teams.

  • Briso

    Beano:
    >(a southern passport may not demonstrate
    >conclusively a player is eligible for NI, but
    >neither does a UK one).

    Yes it does, obviously excepting that the player has not already played for another association. A UK passport = eligible for NI (and Scotland, England and Wales)

  • Mike

    This is quite a show Mr. ‘Taigs’ (revealing moniker) has going. Essentially it boils down to “Yousuns are bigots, you’re a bigot, you hate Catholics, and you don’t care about Catholics being murdered”.

    Step 1 – hijack a thread about the passport row to claim without foundation that NI football is the same as sectarianism. Cynically use the murder of Anne Marie Smyth to “prove” your point. Trot out the old predictable line about a match back in 1993.

    Step 2 – When someone points out that Miss Amyth’s murder ctually had nothing to do with Glentoran FC, claim they are indifferent to her murder. Use the word ‘Taig’ and imply a poster is a bigot.

    Step 3 – when someone points out some GAA clubs/Trophies are named after terrorists and he isn’t complaining about them, claim that what they are doing is in fact claiming this is justification for murdering GAA members.

    What a display of mud-slinging, whinging, childish “you’re a bigot” name calling, deperation to be a victim, to be oppressed, by the evil nasty themmuns.

    Hey, guess I’m an evil bigot who wants to exterminate Catholics now in the eyes of Mr “Taigs” now too, eh?

    The standard of commenting on Slugger really has gone downhill recently. This sort of trolling, hpyerbolic accusation-throwing at various people including fellow contributors makes for very poor debate indeed and only shows the paucity of the poster’s argument.

    Hell, I could easily do exactly the same thing and claim that because of what Mr “Taigs” has said, he justifies the murder bids against NI fans by the IRA and INLA in the 1980s…

  • Paul

    Mike
    Along with our other “friend”( you’ll know who I mean) “Taigs” is a pathetic prick, who seems to spend most of his day getting his kicks from trying to wind us all up, best to ignore.

    It’s a pity that the internet gives a berth for such scum to let loose with their bigotted crap, but hey that’s free speech and we just have to live with it, I suppose.

    I probably deserve a red card for that little tirade, but seeing the depths that this and other threads on here has been dragged by the likes of “taigs”and “norman”, I’m better out of it anyway.

  • “The standard of commenting on Slugger really has gone downhill recently”

    Not having a go at you Mike but why do people keep saying that? People have been saying it for about 2 years now, just how far downhill can discussions possibly go … and where were to start with? The standard of discussion hasn’t gone anywhere, there’s still the same bitching and moaning there always was 🙂

  • gary

    Having a go at an opposition player is a pretty regular occurance at games, although the sectarian element is clearly wrong.

    The problem is that players representing the home team at windsor park have always been subjected to sectarian abuse, which is fairly exclusive to Northern Ireland.

    Pat Jennings said he was subjected to sectarian abuse during his entire career, when playing at home in windsor park.

    The sectarian abuse Lennon received has been well documented.
    http://www.williamkeane.clara.net/lennon.htm

    Anton Rogan was also on the receiving end of sectarian supporters for all of his 18 appearances.

    Perhaps the young player who refused to carry a british passport will be next.

  • “Yes it does, obviously excepting that the player has not already played for another association. A UK passport = eligible for NI (and Scotland, England and Wales)”

    Right so I’m eligible for Wales now? Wise up.

    A UK passport only makes you eligible for the 4 home nations if you’re born outside the UK (eg Channel Islands a la Matt Le Tissier). In other words you could have a UK passport but be born in England, Scotland or Wales and you’re only eligible for the country you’re born in. As such the UK passport alone is not conclusive proof that you can play for Northern Ireland.

  • Realist

    Gary,

    Are the nationalist/Catholic players playing for Northern Ireland nowadays subjected to sectarian abuse?

    What was the last Northern Ireland game you attended?

  • Paul, Mike etc: So Ms Smyth is not even worth a mention. Or the GAA members abducted? The fact is soccer in your litte corner of Ireland is very sectarian and sectarianism has, by and large, been a one way gun. Keep calling me names but consider the state of your sectarian souls.

    Realist: Rugby supporters don’t do the violent shit soccer hooligans do. Cricket has Bay 13 in Sydney and more but soccer is definitely a case apart. It reeks of hatred and hooliganism by the last of the bulldog breed. Sooner soccer in all of Ireland folds up the better.

  • Realist

    “Sooner soccer in all of Ireland folds up the better”

    Taigs,

    What a ridiculous sentiment which, frankly, will never come to fruition.

    Your notion that hooligans should win the day is pathetic.

    Will be be answering my questions regarding the officials of Glentoran Football Club and the tragic death of Ms Symth or not?

  • Realist

    Gary,

    The report you posted regarding Neil Lennon was written by the Daily Ireland correspondent, Robin Livingstone.

    It may have carried more validity had he of managed to get country of origin of the opposition on the night in question correct.

    Not a good start really.

  • http://tinyurl.com/frzbq

    Gary etc: The above link shows this issue being discussed on another site bringing up many of the points I do. None of the posts are mine.

    Realist: I was asked to give an example of a soccer club involved in sectarian murder and I did. Her murder was particularly sickening, as was Glentoran’s Pontius Pilate approach. The English soccer fans are at it again today.

    The other thread makes the point soccer is a global game/business now. All the more reason to consolidate teams here. I don’t think a United Ireland team would work for many of the (soccer historical reasons the other thread raises. Look at the South where rugby has Landsdowne, the GAA have Croker and the FAI have half a million euros.

    Also, because the scout system that gave us Best and Keane is dead (easier to poach from Africa etc) Scottish and Irish soccer is fucked (how many Jocks play in Old Firm teams). Scrap the lots of them I say.

    One final thing about the global game of soccer: The Northern Orangies and the British could learn a lot in self control from other supporters, such as the Japanese, Brazilians and Koreans.

  • Briso

    Beano:
    >Right so I’m eligible for Wales now? Wise up.

    >A UK passport only makes you eligible for the 4
    >home nations if you’re born outside the UK (eg
    >Channel Islands a la Matt Le Tissier). In other
    >words you could have a UK passport but be born
    >in England, Scotland or Wales and you’re only
    >eligible for the country you’re born in. As such
    >the UK passport alone is not conclusive proof
    >that you can play for Northern Ireland.

    I’m afraid you are wrong and I am right. There is a gentlemen’s agreement between the home associations not to ‘steal’ each other’s players, but for FIFA, a UK passport qualifies you to play for any of NI, England, Scotland or Wales.

  • Briso

    VII. ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR ASSOCIATION TEAMS

    Any person holding the nationality of a country is eligible to play for
    the representative teams of the Association of his country. The
    Executive Committee shall decide on the conditions of eligibility
    for any Player who assumes a new nationality and for whom par. 3
    of this article does not apply, or for any Player who would, in principle,
    be eligible to play for the teams of more than one Association
    due to his nationality.

    2 As a general rule, any Player who has already represented one Association
    (either in full or in part) in an official competition of any category
    may not play an international match with another Association
    team.

    3 If a Player has more than one nationality, or if a Player acquires a new
    nationality, or if the Player is eligible to play for several Association
    teams due to his nationality, the following exceptions apply:
    (a) Up to his 21st birthday, a player may only once request changing
    the Association for which he is eligible to play international
    matches.
    A Player may exercise this right to change Associations
    only if he has not played at “A” international level for his
    current Association and if at the time of his first full or
    partial appearance in an international match in an official competition
    of any other category, he already had such nationalities.
    Changing Associations is not permitted during the preliminary
    competition of a FIFA competition, continental championship
    or Olympic Tournaments if a player has already been
    fielded in a match of one of these competitions.
    (b) Any Player who has already acquired eligibility to play for one
    Association but has another nationality imposed upon him by
    a government authority, is also entitled to change associations.
    This provision is not subject to any age limits.

    4 Any Player who wishes to exercise this right to change Associations
    shall submit a written and substantiated request to the FIFA general
    secretariat. After submitting the request, the Player is no longer
    qualified to play for his current Association’s team. The Players’
    Status Committee shall decide on the request. The committee’s
    decision may be brought before the Appeal Committee. The Regulations
    for the Status and Transfer of Players contain more detailed
    provisions.
    5 Any Players who have already had their 21st birthday at the time of
    implementation of these provisions and who fulfil the requirements
    in par. 3 (a) are also entitled to submit such a request to change
    Associations. This entitlement will expire definitively twelve months
    after implementation of this provision.

  • Realist

    Taigs,

    “I was asked to give an example of a soccer club involved in sectarian murder and I did”

    How exactly were Glentoran Football Club implicated in the murder of Ms Smyth? Please answer the question. You have made a serious allegation, and I challenge you to fully substantiate it.

    “The English soccer fans are at it again today”

    A very small minority of them. The vast majority of England fans at the WC have been a credit to themselves and their country.

    “The Northern Orangies…”

    Who would that be then?

  • Realist

    Briso,

    I would refer you to FIFA Circular 901, concerning eligibility.

    It short:

    FIFA have said that players can only play for a national team on the following basis:

    1/ “Born on the terrority of the relelant national association” (note not country)
    2/ Parent or grandparent “born on the terrority of the relevant national association” (note not country)
    3/ Resident for 2 years “on the terrority of the relevant national association” (note not country)

    You are therefore incorrect.

  • Realist

    It’s Samba time.

    http://www.irishfa.com/the-ifa/news/2268/brazil-are-coming/

    I wonder where the match will be played? 🙂

  • Realist

    A younng womasn was kidnapped, tortured and murdered from Glentoran;s club. They didn’t give a shit about her at the time and still do not. Their attitude, perhaps reflected in your own, is that she was just like a drunk and her torture and murder were of no consequence. Hers was one of the more despicable murders in a long list. Until Glentoran make restitution, they, not I, stand in the dock. Geddit? They,m not I, give santuary to low life sectarian murderers. Geddit?

    The English fans. Yes, it is always a minority. Of English fans. Never Japanese, Korean or Brazilian. Remember Heysel Stadium Landsdowne etc. As I say, ban all four teams in the interests of the beautiful game. Or at least put electronic ID tags on them, or brand them. Remember Germany beat htem and they smashed up German cars in England. Enough of that.

  • Briso

    Realist

    http://www.fifa.com/documents/static/regulations/Statutes_09_2005_EN.pdf

    Page 60 and 61

    There’s my reference. Where is yours?

  • kensei

    ““The Northern Orangies…”

    Who would that be then? ”

    Well, I’ve seen a lot of fake tans recently.

  • Realist

    “A younng womasn was kidnapped, tortured and murdered from Glentoran;s club”

    Ms Smyth was kidnapped from the Hillfoot Glentoran Supporters Club on the Castlereagh Road. Has it been established that those charged and convicted of the murder were members of the said club?

    “They didn’t give a shit about her at the time and still do not”

    I think you will find that officials from Glentoran Football Club made a statement at the time totally condemning the murder. Stop telling lies.

    “Their attitude, perhaps reflected in your own, is that she was just like a drunk and her torture and murder were of no consequence”

    I was not their attitude, and nether is it mine. Stop making things up. I was revulsed by the murder, as were the officials of Glentoran Football Club.

    “Hers was one of the more despicable murders in a long list”

    Agreed 100%.

    “Until Glentoran make restitution, they, not I, stand in the dock. Geddit? They,m not I, give santuary to low life sectarian murderers. Geddit?”

    No doubt you will expand on the “restitution” you expect.

    Do you condemn other sporting organisations that honour “low life sectarian murderers”?

    “The English fans. Yes, it is always a minority. Of English fans”

    The biggest incident of hooliganism at the WC so far involved German and Polish fans – not English fans. The vast majority of English fans have behaved remarkably well – a point acknowledged by the German police.

    “As I say, ban all four teams in the interests of the beautiful game.”

    Why, and in what interests? Can you not accept that the vast majority of football fans go to matches to watch, erm, football?

    Shall we call for a ban on ROI fans too, given the anti semetic abuse dished out to visiting Israeli fans recently in Dublin?

    I think not. A small minority must never be allowed to dictate and ruin things for the vast majority.

    “Or at least put electronic ID tags on them, or brand them.”

    There’ll be nobody putting an electronic tag on me to enable me to go to a football match, I can assure you. Your suggestion is ludicrous.

    “Remember Germany beat htem and they smashed up German cars in England. Enough of that.”

    I do indeed. However, I think your memory is somewhat selective.

  • Realist
  • http://tinyurl.com/f7rlr: The latest cooments, none mine, on the English fans giving Jerry (and a few more) what ho.
    Realist: I am glad you agree her murder was one of the sickest. Of course, this does not diminish any other death. But the way her death was brushed over by Glentoran and other sectarian apologists wrankled a lot of people, me included. Hierarchy of victims and all that.

    The 26 cos v 6 co World Cup qualifier was a disgrace, Billy Bigot Bingham in particular. As a soccer head, he should have been above his base base. Of course, Binghanm did play for Geltnoran so maybe nothing more could be expected of him.

    Can’t say I notice much anti Semitic chanting when Israel did the dedd. Personally, I thought the Israelis did a good job unsettling the Micks and their hired foreigners. I was not unhappy to see Israel win.
    On that, anybody know much about the Palestine team? Do they qualify to play for the World Cup? Or is that another Israeli Bantuland scheme?

    If you are referring to the GAA (as in let’s kill a Taig), well the GAA have been targets of sectarian gangs since at least 1920. And, if a group such as the IRA is looking for young men, well sporting organizations are a good place to start. They are part of the community. Which is probably why this sporting organization has always been high up the list of “legitimate targets” by B&T/RUC/UDR/UUP/UFF etc.

    Gotta go now. Let’s hope the Blagult do the busienss tonight and slow the last of the bulldog breed down.

    Remember when Brazil sent Mother England packing last time? The Falls was full of Brazilian flags.

  • Mike

    ————————
    The 26 cos v 6 co World Cup qualifier was a disgrace, Billy Bigot Bingham in particular. As a soccer head, he should have been above his base base. Of course, Binghanm did play for Geltnoran so maybe nothing more could be expected of him.
    ————————

    See what I mean? More pathetic drivel from a hate merchant.

    ————————-
    If you are referring to the GAA (as in let’s kill a Taig),
    ————————-

    “Oh, please, please, be a big nasty bigot, I’m deperate to be oppressed! I’m going to keep saying ‘Taig’ because none of you evil bigoted bastards will call me it, you’re spoiling my victim fantasy!”

    ————————
    On that, anybody know much about the Palestine team? Do they qualify to play for the World Cup? Or is that another Israeli Bantuland scheme?
    ————————

    Goog God, now he’s even decided to specualte about ficticious examples of other eople being ‘oppressed’.

    Yea, the Palestine Football Association is a big Israeli plot right enough. The bigoted bastards. bet they don’t like Catholics either eh.

  • Mike

    Realist –

    That circular seems unclear – could it not be argued it only relates to players who have CHANGED nationality?

  • Realist

    Taigs,

    “But the way her death was brushed over by Glentoran and other sectarian apologists wrankled a lot of people, me included”

    It wasn’t “brushed over” by the officials of Glentoran Football Club. Stop telling fibs. What did/do you expect them to do?

    “The 26 cos v 6 co World Cup qualifier was a disgrace, Billy Bigot Bingham in particular”

    Imagine Billy not lying down in the face of provocation from wor Jackie in what was Billy’s last game in charge of his country. Were NI expected to roll over?

    “And, if a group such as the IRA is looking for young men, well sporting organizations are a good place to start. They are part of the community.”

    How revealing. Says it all really.

    “Remember when Brazil sent Mother England packing last time?”

    I certainly do. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

    “The Falls was full of Brazilian flags.”

    Ahh…so that’s where the numerous Brazilian flags seen at Windsor Park for Northern Ireland matches nowadays came from then. Brilliant. 🙂

    Maybe our Assistant Manager, hailing from the Falls, got a deal on them.

    “Gotta go now”

    Bye, bye.

  • Briso

    >Realist –

    >That circular seems unclear – could it not be
    >argued it only relates to players who have
    >CHANGED nationality?

    >Posted by Mike on Jun 20, 2006 @ 02:09 PM

    I think so too, but it’s certainly a good deal more complicated than I confidently asserted!

    -slinks off, tail between legs.

  • Bye bye Realist.

    So we agree Billy the Bigot Bingham, proud son of Glentoran, was a sectarian git for his “country”. Still, at leat all the 26 co players got out alive.
    Young Catholic men play GAA, yes. And they get shot for it. Or even going to watch it (McAnnespie and Carragher). Or managing it (the brave men of the UUP/UVF). And anyone recruiting targets such groups.
    Why not follow up on the one small stop campaign and find something out about the GAA?
    So: kick your little “country” and Scotland and Wales out and have a great “UK” team. Similarly merge the English FA and Scottish FA to put an end to the shambles that is the Scottish league.

  • Realist

    Taigs,

    “So we agree Billy the ##### Bingham, proud son of Glentoran, was a sectarian git for his “country”.

    No, we don’t agree.

    “Young Catholic men play GAA, yes”

    So you favour exclusively nationalist sporting organisations which express divisive political sentiment do you?

    “Why not follow up on the one small stop campaign and find something out about the GAA?”

    I have thanks.

    “So: kick your little “country” and Scotland and Wales out and have a great “UK” team”

    Why?

    “Similarly merge the English FA and Scottish FA to put an end to the shambles that is the Scottish league.”

    Yeah…that should meet with popular support in England & Scotland.

  • http://tinyurl.com/hzt2f

    The moderate Daily Ireland have a good summary of various positions on this. The IFA attack Dermot Ahearn and the DUP make some anti 26 co attack I don’t quite follow. If they want to ban 2nd rate Italians, Jocks and Britis playing for the 26cos, why not, I suppose?
    Anyone got any info on the Palestine team?

    Realist: The Old Firm want out of the farce that is the Scottish system and have tried on more than one occasion to jump ship. The others dfon’t want them too as, without the old firm, they would be as pathetic and boring as the FAI and IFA. Read up some more about the GAA and then come back to me.
    Many modern sports were codified by the French anbd British armies in the nineteenth century? Are these purveyors of nationalist sentimetns (at the point of a bayonet) what you mean? Or is it the Bloody Sunday victims, Charlie Kearns. Kevin Lynch etc that you mean? Hey, read up on them too? Or the great Kerry team of the 1920s. One small step and all that.

  • Realist

    Taigs,

    “The Old Firm want out of the farce that is the Scottish system and have tried on more than one occasion to jump ship”

    Perhaps the FA don’t want the sectarian baggage associated with the Old Firm polluting their leagues?

    “The others dfon’t want them too as, without the old firm, they would be as pathetic and boring as the FAI and IFA.”

    I support the Irish league because it’s my local league…crap or not. Should crap GAA counties just merge with better ones?

    “Read up some more about the GAA and then come back to me.”

    I have read the “Official Guide” thoroughly 🙂

    Which of it’s contents would you like to talk about?

    “Many modern sports were codified by the French anbd British armies in the nineteenth century? Are these purveyors of nationalist sentimetns (at the point of a bayonet) what you mean?”

    This is 2006.

    Do you, or do you not, support exclusively one sided sporting associations in a divided society?

    “Or is it the Bloody Sunday victims, Charlie Kearns. Kevin Lynch etc that you mean? Hey, read up on them too?”

    Do you, or do you not, support the notion of sporting clubs and trophies being named after members of groupings responsible for sectarian murder?

    “One small step and all that”

    Absolutely.

    What exactly is your point in this discussion?

  • http://www.cathnews.com/

    Realist: Here is the Australian Catholic News, maybe all you need to know. They call soccer soccer, and have a piece in about Denis Faul (Come On, Louth).
    Irish League, Scottish League etc: The Jock League wants $$$ so they hire non Scots, which does not help the Scottish team as less and less Jocks can get the big time breaks. Good on you for supporting the Irish League but I can’t see it going anywhere, in this $$$ driven age.

    Of course, the GAA have major problems in lop sided competitions and they have been addressed here. But it is an evolving organization.

    The GAA is a private organization so they can name their trophies and clubs after whoever they like. The fact that Orangies try to make pariahs out of some dead GAA players does not help matters just as burning down their clubs, killing their members etc does not help. The GAA is the most successful sporting organization in Ireland and I only wish its blessings were spread even more widely. When Orangies take up hurling and camogie, it will be a good day for all of us.

  • Rose Tyler

    Taigs when you draw your final breath, it will be a great day for the rest of us.

  • Rose Tyler Taigs when you draw your final breath, it will be a great day for the rest of us.
    Maybe I sohuld get out more, to Glentoran or some other place where ATAT.

  • Mike

    So have you anything at all to suggest Ctholics have been “targetted” at Glentoran (a suggestion which is of course utter nonsense) or is this just more bulls**t from you?