Daily Ireland takes to the courts

UTV report that Daily Ireland is suing the Office of the First Minister and Deputy First Minister for £3million in lost advertising revenue [another rates hike in the offing? – Ed] and, according to the report, the Equality Commission are backing the County Court action, although the case may have to move to the High Court due to the amount being claimed.. Hmm.. I’ll admit to not knowing the comparable advertising rates, but £200,000 a month seems a lot to pay to reach an average, actively purchasing, audience of 8,768.. [ABC certificate here pdf file]

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  • Mr Angry

    Lunacy!!

    I see egomania and mopery are alive and well at Teach Basil.

    The irony of this, of course, being the Andersonstown News group’s exemplary record of non discriminatory employment.

  • Shore Road Resident

    I assume the ‘jurisdictional issue’ refers to the paper’s insistence that it is an all-Ireland publication – although it sells almost no copies in the south and wants compensation for its commercial failure solely from the goverment of the north.

    Partitionism, how are ye?

  • Keith M

    Who in their right mind would spend £200k/€300k a month to reach less than 10k people?

  • slug

    Didn’t the taxpayer give them a lot of money to start up, unlike the other papers in NI? If so then they actually have had a government help (an uneven playing field in their favour).

  • The Devil

    The office of the First Waster and Deputy First Waster can relax a Barrister friend of mine has informed me that they can only be sued by a NEWSPAPER.

  • fair_deal

    IIRC local departments didn’t advertise in the ill-fated Daily View (or whatever it was called) so the policy of no immediate advertising in new titles has been consistently applied. Garden centre prods should sue 😉

    Mairtin’s contacts with Bob Collins is paying off anyway.

    Even if the challenge is a success this will probably not save the DI. There is a major review of public advertising in NI and the era of big spending is over. First thing to go will be government advertising at a higher premium plus a decline in overall spending (Gordon needs to make a squeeze in public spending and advertising is one of the targets). Local advertising companies who lived off this are rushing about trying to expand client portfolios or buy out companies with a private sector base.

    Anyone know why they dropped the idea of renaming the paper?

  • slug

    Shore Road Resident has a point, its supposed to be a paper for all of Ireland, so the ROI government is surely as guilty of non-advertising as the NI government?

  • I wonder when the Newry Reporter will be taking its action- after all, it sells twice as much as DI.

  • SRR-

    “I assume the ‘jurisdictional issue’ refers to the paper’s insistence that it is an all-Ireland publication.”

    Indeed, it does claim to be an all-Ireland publication. I work that out be around 274 copies sold per county. Awe-inspiring…

  • SlugFest

    I’m reading something entirely different (all about self gain):

    DI expects $200K (pounds really, but my keyboard doesn’t allow for foreign currency)from the OFMDFM for recruitment advertising, ostensibly because that’s what they pay out to the Belfast Telegraph, News Letter, and Irish News … every month?

    Dang! That settles it … with all those jobs readily available in Belfast (and actively advertised), i’m moving there … putrid coffee or not!

  • SlugFest

    On a more serious (or at least more on point) note, I was in the ad game for many years … took a look at the Telegraph’s ‘media kit’ vs. DI’s, and the two pubs aren’t comparable (though DI does give it their best shot with the ol’ ‘combined circ’ thing, and their online media kit is pretty impressive).

    While i rarely dealt with newspapers (usually magazines and other print media), from a strictly objective pov they have no grounds to sue … while circulation is still one of the strongest deciding factors, media planners have to take many other aspects of any publication into account: editorials (ahem), journalistic quality, competitive presence, and, of course, which pubs take us to the best broadway shows and steakhouses.

    but that’s me looking in from the states … back in the day and on this side of the pond, we didn’t have to deal with any Equality Commission or the like.

  • Shore Road Resident

    Well at least this threat of Daily Ireland legal action has actually made it as far as a court listing. Presumably that’s only because the hapless Bob Collins has been brow-beaten into paying for it?

  • slug

    As a tax payer I resent my money being spent on setting up this or any newspaper, I resent my money being spent on taking the government to court, I resent the expense that the government has to go to to defend itself, and I would resent the advertising expense that it is being asked to cough up seeminlgy just to keep this outfit afloat.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    ‘I wonder when the Newry Reporter will be taking its action- after all, it sells twice as much as DI.’

    I was unware that the Newry Reporter was a daily newspaper.

    On a lighter note to paraphrase Mr Mc Dowell ‘see you in court’.

  • SlugFest

    Pat McLarnon,

    Do you, in all honesty, think DI has a case? I’m an admitted outsider, but have been invited (always grateful, always accept) into many nationalist and/or republicans homes in Belfast. among other things (all positive), i’ve noticed on a number of occassions that the host will have the current copy of both the Irish News and either DI or the Andersontown News.

    Coming from a media planning background, that tells me that there’s duplicate circulation … those reading DI are also reading IN, and vice versa. Given the higher circ of IN and allowing for needing to come in on budget (return on investment, bla bla bla — no laughs on any government coming in on budge — just for the sake of argument if you will), wouldn’t it make more sense for me, the advertiser, to choose IN over DI?

  • wild turkey

    ..hmmm

    over the past few years, has anyone seen an equality commission job advert in DI or for that matter the Irish News?

    Since its last article 55 it would be interesting to know what newspapers the Commission advetises in

  • Pat-

    “I was unware that the Newry Reporter was a daily newspaper.”

    I don’t believe DI is either. 5 days a week I am led to understand it publishes now. The Irish News and News Letter can boast six, and the BT seven if you include the Sunday Life.

    “On a lighter note to paraphrase Mr Mc Dowell ‘see you in court’.”

    Would that be Her Majesty’s Court? A court whose criminal counterpart provides the working mechanism for the Public Prosecution Service, a British judicial law enforcement body which relies heavily on the work of the PSNI and which Conor Murphy MP recently welcomed to Newry?

    The provisionals and their acolytes have been getting used to seeing the inside of civil courts recently through their actions or threat thereof, but I suppose it makes a change from being in the dock.

    But I digress.

    I would imagine that at times more people read about DI on Slugger than actually read the paper itself.

  • Ingram

    Quote”On a lighter note to paraphrase Mr Mc Dowell ‘see you in court’

    Would that be a British court Pat?

    Marty

  • Fenian Bastard

    Pats a spy now as well?

  • Shore Road Resident

    SlugFest – it’s been patently obvious for some time now that the only paper Daily Ireland competes with for circulation is the Andersonstown News.

  • southbelfastnewsman

    One of the notable difficulties with the A’Town News group is that since the arrival of DI, their premier publication, the Thursday edition of the Andersonstown News has really suffered. whether its the switch of resources or whatever, the A’Town News is now basically an ad sheet, with very little ‘real’news anymore. thats a shame as the paper used to genuinely reflect what was going on in the west.

    Its time for the guys to swallow their pride and admit defeat. probably what this case is designed to facilitate.

  • Gerry

    awful paper. nothing in it.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    ‘Do you, in all honesty, think DI has a case?’

    I have no idea.

    ‘I don’t believe DI is either. 5 days a week I am led to understand it publishes now. The Irish News and News Letter can boast six, and the BT seven if you include the Sunday Life.’

    It was dishonest of you to try and attempt to make a comparison between the daily sales of one newspaper to the weekly sales of another.

    ‘Would that be Her Majesty’s Court? A court whose criminal counterpart provides the working mechanism for the Public Prosecution Service, a British judicial law enforcement body which relies heavily on the work of the PSNI and which Conor Murphy MP recently welcomed to Newry? ‘

    And which many an SDLP barrister fed off for decades, aint that right Alban.

    ‘The provisionals and their acolytes have been getting used to seeing the inside of civil courts recently through their actions or threat thereof, but I suppose it makes a change from being in the dock.’

    ‘And which many an SDLP barrister fed off for decades, aint that right Alban.’

    ‘I would imagine that at times more people read about DI on Slugger than actually read the paper itself.’

    When you get more than a half a dozen posters to your site then you can climb on a dung heap and wail about figures.

  • Now now Pat. Temper.

    “And which many an SDLP barrister fed off for decades, aint that right Alban.

    So did many provisional-leaning lawyers, but that’s not really the point, is it?

    The point is that provo cheerleaders often use the threat of court action to silence critics or to challenge those whom they perceive have a grudge against them. And as I said, Conor Murphy has welcomed the arrival of the PPS in Newry.

    But without an ounce of irony, they apparently do not recognise the courts when it suits them (or has that policy changed since the days when provos were often seen in the dock of said courts?), nor do they support the police, an integral part of the justice system.

    As regards my site, unlike DI I’m not taking anyone to court because they haven’t advertised on it- you take the rough with the smooth. As it happens, visitor figures are riding high- strange, as the weather outside is great- I would’ve thought people would have better things to do with their time. There must be something about it 😉

    Now, are we going to get back to the point of the thread or continue the whataboutery involving Alban and El Blogador?

  • Oh, and I forgot to mention- I hear that three execs from DI have been fined £1000 each for contempt of court for publishing an article which led to the postponement of a criminal trial.

    Do they ever leave that place?

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    ‘Now now Pat. Temper.’

    now, now I caught you using a deliberately erroneous comparison, just hold your hands up.

    ‘But without an ounce of irony, they apparently do not recognise the courts when it suits them (or has that policy changed since the days when provos were often seen in the dock of said courts?), nor do they support the police, an integral part of the justice system.’

    I was under the impression that refusing to recognise the courts was abandoned by the IRA during the 1980’s, though I may be wrong. Though they are still forbidden from pleading guilty, again i’m not too sure.
    the police debate has been flogged to death and the reasons for SF not buying into it yet, while the SDLP sold out for less have been well aired.

    ‘As regards my site, unlike DI I’m not taking anyone to court because they haven’t advertised on it- you take the rough with the smooth. As it happens, visitor figures are riding high- strange, as the weather outside is great- I would’ve thought people would have better things to do with their time. There must be something about it ;)’

    The point of the case, going by the introduction, is an equality issue, supported by the Equality Commission. That is the point of the thread.

    I am unable to determine whether your site would merit consideration.

  • SlugFest

    “I was under the impression that refusing to recognise the courts was abandoned by the IRA during the 1980’s, though I may be wrong.”

    No, Pat, you’re right. According to Richard O’Rawe’s book ‘Blanketmen, “Our trial began in February 1978. By this time, IRA Volunteers were allowed to recognize the courts.” [Page 25, first edition]

    And while there’s been quite a bit of back and forth about the veracity of O’Rawe’s account of the 1981 hunger strikes, i don’t recall anyone challenging this particular claim.

  • Shore Road Resident

    Well – that certainly shut Pat up.

  • SlugFest

    SRR,

    er … do you mean my post? i certainly doubt that shut Pat up — after all, i’m backing up his statement. i’m sure he’s just busy.