A – B = UVF

HAVING swept his keyboard for bugs, Barney Rowan reports on the UVF’s progress with its ‘internal housekeeping consultation’ on the organisation’s future. While decommissioning isn’t on the cards, the UVF seems to state a clear preference for Plan A – devolved government involving Sinn Fein – over Plan B – ‘joint management’ between London and Dublin. The group seems content to wait until the November deadline to see how things pan out…

  • Pete Baker

    Interestingly, UTV are claiming that they’ve had an exclusive interview..

    Hmmm..

  • Yokel

    As mentioned in previous posts, these guys are hovering in the background and are not best pleased with the Plan B scenario as it was initially stated and are watching carefully.

    I’m guessing this bunch are more capable of moving into organised armed action than the UDA IF they decided thats where they wanted to go. The focus of any action from this quarter may be south of the border IF they went went into political violence mode. It’ll be interesting to see if the UDA actually bothers to make any pronouncements regrding the announced process or whether they don’t bother.

  • Intelligence Insider

    Pete,

    UTV’s “exclusive” was a film of the interview printed in the Tele. Should be on tonight, and, if you listen carefully to the “distorted” voice of the balaclava covered UVF leadership representative it sounds suspiciously like a certain moustachioed East Belfast MLA aka Dictionary Dave!

  • Jacko

    Yokel
    It would be surprising if any of the UDA really understand it.

    It has to be taken into consideration as well that the UVF will have had an eye on the UDA’s efforts over the past year or so to present themselves in the media as the leaders of loyalism. Meeting dignitaries, pontificating on what needs doing in loyalist areas, ‘look how moderate we are’ interview pieces from various spokesmen.
    This is probably as much about countering that as it is about threats.
    Don’t underestimate the jealousy there exists between them.

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  • Yokel

    Jacko you may well be right, sounds perfectly viable. I’m no expert but I just get the impression that the UVF are really keeping an eye on the broader political situation, not necessarily issuing threats, but watching closely and doing so much more than the UDA. This interview seems to me to be a reminder to the governments that they are still there though I suppose I can see the value of trying to look good versus the UDA.

    Intelligence Insider….if it is Dave he’s a lot less smart a bloke as I thought he was to put himself up for that.

  • Intelligence Insider

    Yokel,

    Not saying it is Dave, but just listen to it tonight and let me know what you think yourself later.

  • Yokel

    If I’m about I’ll dig out my black and white portable that used to able to pick up the cops on years ago…

  • Brian Boru

    If Plan B happens it will be because the DUP have refused to accept Catholics in govt.

  • Loftholdingswood

    It is clearly a “holding” statement whilst consultations/discussions continue within that organisation.

    As for the UDA that particular organisation is sorting out it’s own internal problems before dealing with the wider picture of the “peace process”.

  • Jacko

    I wonder if the police will bother trying to identify the spokeman with voice analysis etc.
    The way they did with that idiot with the glasses from the Shankill.

  • Loftholdingswood

    He is clearly identifiable even with the balaclava. No doubt the security services know exactly who he is as well. However, as he has had full clearance from the organisation as a whole to make this statement, it would be unhelpful to attempt to prosecute. And prosecute for what anyway? Commenting on the current situation? Not a major crime.

  • Gonzo
    Interesting how your post and chris donnelly’s 2:15 come to different conclusions reading the same story?

  • fair_deal

    The TV interview had little extra from the press article. A good chunk of the footage went down a cul-de-sac about the Dublin Monaghan bombs.

    The one thing I think I picked up is that they don’t think the IRA fully decommissioned.

  • f-d
    “The one thing I think I picked up is that they don’t think the IRA fully decommissioned”
    Very poor deflection, amateur attempt at blackening the IRA.
    UVF refuse to decommission, and give a wounded embarrased MOPE that d’oh the IRA could re-arm.
    Don’t make your bigotry so obvious f-d, and you might just get away with it. ( Free tip )

  • Jacko

    Loftholdingswood

    Membership of an illegal organisation would do for a start.

    ‘…it would be unhelpful to attempt to prosecute.’

    I know that’s the way it works, but should it?
    Where do you draw the line in turning a blind eye to law breaking?

  • Loftholdingswood

    I understand that Jacko but presumably the government/authorities realise that this particular person could in theory lead the way forward to a future deal that would rid the province of arms (from that source at least). Therefore a relatively minor charge of membership would cause more problems than letting him have his say. It’s just the way it is.

  • pitt park

    A good days work by the big lad in the balaclava

    Now, back to the drug dealing, extortion, prostitution rackets, racketeering and punishment shootings.

    Anyone for an ‘e’.

  • Loftholdingswood

    And do you think that if that particular grouping “left the stage” these things that you list would not take place? would vanish overnight? how simplistic your world view is.

  • Intelligence Insider

    Jacko,

    At no time in the interview does it state that the person being interviwed is a member of the UVF or any other illegal organisation. It is stated that the balaclava clad gent has been authorised to speak on behalf of the leadership/Brigade Command of the UVF. Don’t Gerry Adams et al in sinn fein often issue statements that they have been “authorised” to make on behalf of pira?

    Also, if the person has already been convicted of a membership offence (and if it’s who I have suggested, they have) they can’t be tried for it again.

  • fair_deal

    Spirit level

    “Don’t make your bigotry so obvious f-d, and you might just get away with it. ( Free tip )”

    Keep your paranoid tips to yourself. How you can see bigotry in me simply providing information to slugger contributors that wouldn’t have seen the UTV film interview I don’t know.

  • Jacko

    ‘At no time in the interview does it state that the person being interviwed is a member of the UVF or any other illegal organisation.’

    Is the balaclava just a fashion accessory then?
    Try arguing in court that this was just some guy off the street who was given ‘full authorisation of the leadership of the UVF’ to outline their views.
    Particularly when at least once he talks of ‘we’ when speaking about the UVF.
    I have no time for Gerry Adams and Sinn Fein, but they have always been at pains to point out that they are not speaking on behalf of or with the authorisation of the IRA.

  • fair_deal

    Brian Boru

    “the DUP have refused to accept Catholics in govt.”

    Wrong. The DUP has said they would go into voluntary coalition with the SDLP, a party with a predominately Catholic membership, representatives and the community it draws its votes from.

  • Jacko

    As for the membership part.
    What you are saying is like arguing that if you are done for having no tax on a Monday you can’t be charged again with the same offence on the Friday.
    The very reason people are charged with membership ‘between the dates of etc.’ is so they can again in the future, if necessary, be charged with membership on different dates.
    It doesn’t mean that if charged once then you have free rein to be a member thereafter.

  • GAK

    The cops know the names of every member of the UVF, they have so for decades.Their leader Bunter has been run by the Branch for years!

  • pitt park

    “this particular person could in theory lead the way forward to a future deal that would rid the province of arms”

    lofthin……

    It the uvf’s other activities that are wrecking lives.

    You gotta laugh when people try to legitimise the actions of the drug gang.

    I don’t think the teenagers being prostituted and drugged in areas like Mount Vernon have much of a world view.

  • Brian Boru

    “Wrong. The DUP has said they would go into voluntary coalition with the SDLP, a party with a predominately Catholic membership, representatives and the community it draws its votes from.”

    That would disenfranchise 58% of the Catholic vote. Unacceptable.

  • jim2

    So the uVF and Ervine don’t think decommissioning is important. That’s ok then! Don’t worry about it! What sort of comment is that. Wonder what the media would have made of a masked IRA man coming on TV six months after loyalists had decomissioned to say it isn’t that important and don’t bother asking us for our guns!! An outcry perhaps?

  • fair_deal

    BB

    “That would disenfranchise 58% of the Catholic vote. ”

    As this 58% still have a vote how are they disenfrachised?

  • Brian Boru

    It would amount to nullifying their mandate to take part in govt under D’Hondt.

  • fair_deal

    BB

    Their mandate and representation remains the same. It isn’t nullified.

    D’hondt does not lead to automatic inclusion of everyone, a mandate of a sufficient size is needed (in the NI context about 8/9 seats Assembly seats are required).

    This actually nullified Unionist votes the last time because of the distribution of a number of seats among the smaller anti-agreement parties.

  • Intelligence Insider

    jim2,

    “Wonder what the media would have made of a masked IRA man coming on TV…..”
    Exchange mask for beard, “They haven’t gone away you know”

  • pitt park

    “Exchange mask for beard”

    Exchange mask for mustache,” we sell blow you know”

  • Realist

    Very interesting statement from the UVF.

    BB,

    “That would disenfranchise 58% of the Catholic vote. “

    Any comment about the unionist/loyalist people disenfranchised on account of having a PSF MP?

  • lib2016

    In the eighties a republican MP (Carron?) was asked why he had turned up for a particular debate. His reply was that he ‘wanted to abstain in person’.

    Most unionist representatives seem to have the same idea.

  • Brian Boru

    “Any comment about the unionist/loyalist people disenfranchised on account of having a PSF MP?”

    They are not disenfrachised in the Assembly because of multi-seat PR constituencies. Set up the executive if you’re so concerned. Unionist intransigence would try the patience of saint.

  • fair_deal

    lib2016

    “His reply was that he ‘wanted to abstain in person’.”

    It was in the 1970’s and it was Independent Nationalist MP Frank Maguire.

    “Most unionist representatives seem to have the same idea.”

    FALSE. The DUP average is 59.3% attendance at Westminster votes(lowest is 47% (Paisley) and highest 74% (P Robinson).)

    The UUP aka Lady Hermon has a 50% voting attendance.

    The SDLP average is 22.3% voting attendance. (lowest 14% and highest 27%).

    Source individual performance data
    http://www.theyworkforyou.com