Two green lines…

BACK again after a break in Cyprus. Lovely, since you asked. Had a laugh at the Nicosia excursion being advertised as a trip to “the last divided capital in Europe”, where crossing the UN ‘dead zone’ of abandoned streets and homes into the Turkish-occupied area led to a strong sense of deja vu for the Northern Irish contingent on our bus… Talking of crossing borders, I have a hunch that there are a few other Northerners about to cross a different border for the first time tomorrow, when the Love Ulster parade for unionist victims of republican violence parades through Dublin. Love Ulster or not, this controversial march has certainly caught our attention. Hope it passes off peacefully, and there’s no provocation or silliness. Is anyone going, either to parade or protest? Keep us up to date!

  • Belfast Gonzo wrote “…Hope it passes off peacefully, and there’s no provocation or silliness.” Likewise, I hope the day is a peaceful one but isn’t the parade itself provocative and silly?

    If the parade is (as quoted by CL) “…to highlight the plight of the forgotten victims of IRA violence and to show the Irish people that the Protestant, Unionist, Loyalist community of Ulster are not monsters but victims of a concerted campaign of sectarian genocide, perpetrated by the IRA, at times in collusion with elements within their own government and security forces…”

    Isn’t this provocation and silliness as it’s one sided in it’s aim of being anti-republican and turning a blind eye to the monsterous acts carried out by the NI governments and quasi-police force. Having an Orange parade in Dublin is provocative as no one in Dublin supports them. The Love Ulster parade is silly because obnoxious parades might be a mainstay of the Sick Counties but not Dublin.

    The fundamental basis of Orangism is anti Catholic and anti Irish. Why would they have a parade in the capital of the Irish Republic which has a large majority of Catholics, if not seeking to be provocative and silly.

    If I was in govern or a Dub city counciller, I’d have allowed the parade ( a la KKK parades allowed in the US – freedom of speech, even tho it’s racist bile). However, I’d have it very, very strictly policed. I do believe there should be protests as it’s an unjust parade but I think the demonstrators should be silent and/or non confrontational. Frazer and co. would just love if there were problems.

    Who foots the bill for Gardai overtime for such occasions…be they provocative parades or welcomed expressions of culture like the St Patrick Day parade?

    Niall

  • Realist

    I am not going to the parade or protest.

    “Having an Orange parade in Dublin is provocative as no one in Dublin supports them.”

    It is not an Orange Parade.

    “The Love Ulster parade is silly”

    It is not a Love Ulster parade either.

    “The fundamental basis of Orangism is anti Catholic and anti Irish.”

    It’s not…on both scores

    “Why would they have a parade in the capital of the Irish Republic”

    They’re not.

    “I’d have it very, very strictly policed”

    So would I.

    “I do believe there should be protests as it’s an unjust parade”

    It isn’t.

    Niall,

    When will the people of the Irish Republic be removing the Orange from their national flag?

  • George

    Jeffrey Donaldson said tonight on Today FM that the victims of the Dublin and Monaghan bombings will also be remembered on the day and that a wreath will be laid north of the border for those victims from NI and south of the border from those victims from the Republic.

  • Keith M

    Tomorrow I will demonstrate that I can not only “talk the talk” but (literally) “walk the walk” in solidarity with this worthy campaign. I would expect everybody in this country to welcome our visitors from Northern Ireland.

  • George

    Keithm,
    as a matter of interest what are your views on marching on a parade with a person who according to police intelligence had his Firearms Certificate revoked and was unfit to be in possession of firearms and that:

    “He based his decision on a reliable intelligence report that you associated with Loyalist terrorist organisations. He considered that your association with these organisations did not arise from your work with FAIR and could not be described as legitimate.”

    I assume you accept this intelligence.

  • George

    That quote is from a letter sent to Frazer by the Explosives Branch of the Northern Ireland Office where he was informed that the Chief Constable had revoked his Firearms Certificate.

    The “he” in the quote is the Chief Constable.

  • Realist

    There’s a Provo parade in Strabane this weekend…the local “top men” are going bananas because the parades commission didn’t like their “colour party” and pro IRA chanting last year.

    The commemoration is about three chaps who faced the consequences of war and joining an “army”…being eliminated by their enemies.

    Apparantly the community is “hurt and angry” still about events in 1985 when the three “volunteers” met their death.

    “Angry” about what? That their enemy fought back? I can understand their hurt.

    There’ll be a few blokes attending in Strabane who associate(d) with terrorist organisations who would have blew your head off as quick as look at you with any firearm they could get their hands on. They now masquarade as politicians and community representatives of one group or another.

    Any difference with Willie’s parade?

    When one support the Provos, surely you accepted the legitimacy of their enenies to fight back and mirror everything the Provos did, with whatever means was at their disposal?

    Or…did the Provos ever publish rules of engagement?

  • Realist,
    Did you ever hear the expression “gamekeeper becoming a poacher”…

    *…chaps who faced the consequences of war and joining an “army”…being eliminated by their enemies.* like RUC / UDR being shot

    * Apparantly the community is “hurt and angry” still about events * like Frazer still protesting about his numberous relatives killed years ago.

    * …surely you accepted the legitimacy of their enenies to fight back… with whatever means was at their disposal * I’ve heard a similar expression before…where was it…oh yeah, An Phoblacht / SF / Provo announcements.

    Congratulations, you have become a mirror image of your enemy. You are part of the problem.

  • Realist

    Niall,

    Congratulations…you have twigged the irony, inspite of your dogmatic and spurious assumptions about me.

    “you have become a mirror image of your enemy. You are part of the problem”

    Yes…that is exactly what I am saying to both the Provos and some of Willie’s bunch.

  • realist

    Sorry Niall, I meant to add that I’m quite sure you will be as horrified at the “provocation and silliness” in Strabane this weekend.

    Is that the case?

    Would you have allowed the Strabane parade “a la KKK parades allowed in the US – freedom of speech, even tho it’s racist bile”?

  • Fear Oraiste

    Going by their name, I presume these people profess an equally great love for counties Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal? As these counties come under the jurisdiction of Dublin, then it’s their lawful right to march in a country which contains one third of their beloved province!

  • alex

    WHY IS IT ORANGEMEN ALWAYS HAVE TO WALK THROUGH CATHOLIC AREAS LIKE DUBLIN, DO THEY LIKE CAUSING
    TROUBLE ,LOOKS LIKE IT TO ME.I THINK THEY ARE ALL SAD AND NEED SOMETHING ELSE TO ENTERTAIN THERESELVES

  • Realist

    “WHY IS IT ORANGEMEN ALWAYS HAVE TO WALK THROUGH CATHOLIC AREAS LIKE DUBLIN”

    Saturday’s event in Dublin was not an Orange Order parade. In fact, to the best of my knowledge, it was Dublin & Wicklow District Orangemen who requested that Orange sashes should not be worn.

    Since when was Dublin City Centre a “Catholic area”.

    The Orange tradition is represented as an equal on the flag of the Irish Republic…it’s capital city is Dublin.

    Posted by Realist.