Legitimate fundraising..?

THE INLA is pissed off that eBay has banned its paraphernalia from the auction website. “The INLA has been identified to us by a government agency as a group that fits into this category, and therefore will not be allowed on eBay,” was the US company’s reply to a complaint from one republican socialist, who grandly accused eBay of being “part of an effort to demonize any organization prepared to defend the interests of working class people against the armed might of the imperialist powers of the world”!28 Ocotber 2005
E-Bay Bans the INLA

Despite the various badges, buttons, and pins having been sold on e-Bay for a number of years, six different listing of items related to the Irish National Liberation Army on e-Bay were recently removed, with the explanation that e-Bay did not permit the posting of items that promoted hatred or violence. In response to this action, Peter Urban of the International Republican Socialist Committees wrote to e-Bay protesting the suspensions and arguing tha, after seven years on cease-fire, it was absurd to claim that the INLA were advocates of violence.

The response to that protest from e-Bay identified an ‘agency of the government’ as the party who had identified the INLA as advocates of hatred and violence. The message read:

Hello Peter,

Thanks for writing to us. I appreciate the chance to help you with your questions.

I have reviewed your listings and found that they were removed correctly. eBay does not allow the sale of items related to groups who promote violence, racial or religious intolerance, or glorify hatred. The INLA has been identified to us by a government agency as a group that fits into this category, and therefore will not be allowed on eBay.

This intervention of governmental agencies into the affairs of e-Bay, especially when the information they are providing appears to be inaccurate, arbitrary, and intended to censor shades of political perspective, must be condemned.

Peter Urban commented, “As was stated to e-Bay in the original letter of protest, e-Bay clearly allows the sale of a great many items related to military and paramilitary organizations, which include emblems that feature representations of weapons. E-Bay has not suspended these listings, accusing U.S. or other national military organizations as advocating hatred and violence, despite a good many such entities being active in the world today, in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as elsewhere, wreaking death and destruction on innocent civilians; but the INLA, which has been on a cease-fire since August of 1998 is labled as advocates of hatred and violence.”

“This ban of items bearing the emblem of the INLA,” he concluded, “cannot be justified under the quidelines e-Bay quoted. Clearly, this is nothing less than an act of political censorship and part of an effort to demonize any organization prepared to defend the interests of working class people against the armed might of the imperialist powers of the world.

ENDS

  • Sorensen

    Hmm… But then, government agency or not, ultimately is eBay’s business, and therefore eBay’s decision is it not?

    I can’t see why these people are whining. It’s not as if eBay was one of those so-called public services…

  • Pete Baker

    Damn securocrats.. obstructing honest capitalists..

    [/sarcasm]

  • Slapnuts

    ““This ban of items bearing the emblem of the INLA,” he concluded, “cannot be justified under the quidelines e-Bay quoted. Clearly, this is nothing less than an act of political censorship and part of an effort to demonize any organization prepared to defend the interests of working class people against the armed might of the imperialist powers of the world.”

    Surely not another bunch of Republicans telling a private business how they should be running themselves (or else)?

    Your items break the guidelines set down when you claim to have read the “Terms and Conditions”, you lose, goodbye!

  • tra g

    “eBay does not allow the sale of items related to groups who promote violence, racial or religious intolerance, or glorify hatred.”

    There’s a lovely Red Hand Commando t-shirt for sale at only 3 quid

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Red-polo-shirt-size-XXL-with-UVF-Red-Hand-Commando_W0QQitemZ8346846926QQcategoryZ53054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    Or the uvf’s combat amagazine

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/uvf-ulster-northern-ireland-combat-magazine_W0QQitemZ6984796538QQcategoryZ101070QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

  • mwk

    tra g: Then complain about them to ebay, don’t come on here and give it the old usuns and themmuns schtick.

    I mean, ignore the thread completely, push your own agenda, don’t add anything new.

    I propose a corollary to Godwin’s Law:

    The Slugger O’Troll Law: If one side in a discussion invariablies ignores the argument and can only put up ‘whataboutery’ or ‘usuns and themuns’, we should disregard their points entirely, be they justified or not.

  • Socialists are funny 🙂

    And well said mwk. If one actually cared about the sale of said items one would presumably report them to eBay instead of using one’s energy to whinge about it on some other website.

  • TAFKABO

    Socialists?

    Who are the socialists?

    Maybe I just didn’t learn about the basic tenent of socialism that allows people to support a bloddy conflict in which working class people fight against each other, leaving the ruling classes largely unscathed.

    From every man, according to his weapon, to every man, according to his religion

  • Dick Doggins

    These revolutionary, republican, socialist, Trotskyite, Maoists always make me laugh when they use the capitalist system to futher their aims! Maybe like their forefathers the Sticks, they should go after the Yankee Dollar!

  • The individual complaining about not being able to sell INLA merchandise is not a member of the IRSM nor does any of the money go to the IRSM.

    That said, I am curious about what anonymous government agency is responsible, as they apparently take no interest in loyalist or other republican merchandise sold on eBay.

  • Belfast Dissenter

    I find myself in strange sympathy with the INLA folk on this issue. I have listed for sale a number of items that have been withdrawn on the same grounds. Two badges featuring busts of Sir Edward Carson and Sir James Craig and a replica badge of the 36th (Ulster) Division. On appeal the Carson and Craig badges were unbanned, only to be banned again a fortnight later. Again on appeal they were reinstated but have been banned again last week some three months later. At the minute all I am getting from eBay is a reiteration of the policy forbidding items that incite hatred and intolerance or that fund illegal organisations without any explanation as to how this policy actually applies to my items. I am still awaiting clarification on this matter.

    My view is – if you want it, buy it. If you don’t want it don’t buy it and don’t try to stop those who do want it from the opportunity to buy it.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    Did the Darkley massacre, for example, carried out by the INLA, “defend the interests of the working class people”? They sprayed a church hall of Protestant worshippers with machine gun fire…not because they were Loyalists or members of the security forces, but because they were Protestants.

    Well done eBay

  • RedMart

    As has been said on numerous occasions, the Darkley massacre was carried out without the knowledge or approval of the group’s leadership. Remember McGlinchey even gave a press conference while on the run to condemn it.

    It WAS a disgusting sectarian attack, and may say something about the INLA’s lack of discipline, but I don’t think it’s an act you can judge the INLA on.

    They’re on ceasefire (or ‘tactical cessation!?) and don’t warrant being banned off eBay, neither for that matter do Belfast Dissenter’s Craig or Carson badges. Would I feel the same about Nazi or overtly sectarian stuff…no, that’s probably beyond the pale.

  • RedMart

    ‘It WAS a disgusting sectarian attack, and may say something about the INLA’s lack of discipline, but I don’t think it’s an act you can judge the INLA on.’

    I meant to say…

    It WAS a disgusting sectarian attack, and may say something about the INLA’s lack of discipline in that period, but I don’t think it’s an act you can judge the INLA today, or as a whole on.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    RedMart,
    The INLA are a motley crew made up of child-abusers, drug-dealers, thieves, hoods and sectarian murderers. (did I leave anything out?) The organisation refers to it’s members as “socialist republicans” and have the audacity to call their magazine the “Starry Plough”, when most of them cannot even spell socialism, let alone understand it’s ideology!

    I am not saying I am a socialist, but I at least understand it’s ideology, although don’t agree with it all…

  • RedMart

    Concerned Loyalist,

    Care to point out any convictions or evidence for any of the above?

    Child abuse? Not sure where this comes from, perhaps the misguided punishment beating of two (count ’em!) teenagers a couple of years back that the IRSP condemned and hasn’t been repeated?

    Drug Dealers, I keep hearing this, and I keep hearing a deafening silence when I ask for any back up.

    Theives… I think that all paramilitary organisations have undertaken robberies etc to fund their activities. Not sure that this is something good or bad, just seems the way things are in a screwed up sectarian state.

    Hoods? See previous two answers.

    Sectarian murderers. Have the INLA been guilty of murdering anyone because of their religion? I’ve said what I know about Darkley, any others?

    I’m not an Irp, but I am a socialist and a republican. You describe yourself as a Loyalist, what party/organisation do you believe offers a way forward?

  • billy

    The INLA are a motley crew made up of child-abusers, drug-dealers, thieves, hoods and sectarian murderers.

    Sounds like a carbon copy of the UVF, the only difference being, the UVF protect & are commemorated at orange order marches and steward love ulster rallies.

  • RedMart

    On the two beatings, they were out of order, and haven’t been repeated. This puts the INLA in a differant position to the IRA, UVF, UDA etc. Not right, but get it in perspective, plus the best way forward is not to repeat one’s mistakes.

    As for theft, it’s one of the ways that an illegal group funds itself, and this is a group that arose in a vicious, horrible sectarian state. In that context, it’s preferable to the drug dealing or brothel keeping of other organisations.

    One in seven murders sectarian….that’s obviously not a figure plucked out of the air, and I’d be interested in the basis for it.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    Apologies for taking so long to address this issue, but I feel it needs to be done.

    As regards to INLA drug-dealing, one example I can give is this. I am not going to name names as I don’t want Slugger to get into bother, but a close relative of the late INLA mass murderer Dominic ‘Mad Dog’ McGlinchey, is a well-known drug-dealer in Londonderry, with links to the INLA.

    As regards to child-abuse. It is well known, even in Protestant/Loyalist areas of North and West Belfast, that the young men (nine I believe it was?) from Ardoyne who took their own lives last year within a few weeks of each other, had all either been threatened, beat or shot by the local INLA “defenders” of the nationalist community, prior to their tragic deaths.

    Regarding sectarian murders…give me a break! Do you really want examples?

  • MWK /Beano,

    Their is surely nothing worse than the blaise “fence-sitting” which you have indulged in with your ridiculous criticism of Tra G ?.

    What right do either of you have to try and dictate the way in which Tra G chooses to respond to this story? Is he not allowed to respond in any way that he chooses? After all, this IS a democratic forum, is it not?

    As it happens his contribution was both informative and valuable. He pointed out the blatant hypocrisy of E Bay in banning these items while continuing to allow the sale of other items promoting Terrorist organisations such as the UVF and Red Hand Commando.

    MWK – You in particular are guilty of a degree of hypocrisy here in stating that if one happens to hold either a Nationalist or Unionist opinion then it is deemed to be worthless in your opinion. I can only say, that it is better to believe in something and have the courage to justify it, than to sit on the fence in a cowardly way and critcise just about everyone else like you do. If you stated what you actually believed in rather than the umpteen things that you actually dont, then it would be a start…