Durkan and Trimble most trusted…

A NEW survey has indicated that Mark Durkan is the most trusted leader in Northern Ireland, and David Trimble the second. Slugger regular and Trimble aide Alex Kane doesn’t seem to share that confidence in the UUP leader though. Perhaps there is a reverse corrolation between political support and the degree of public trust in leaders?!

  • peteb

    Strangely, or perhaps not, even the original press release from the conference doesn’t give a corresponding ‘trust’ figure for Gerry Adams.

  • David Vance

    “Most trusted” to wreck their political parties – perhaps?

  • peteb

    In which case, David, Bob McCartney must be odds-on to have a rating of 100%.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    When even nearly 60% of SDLP voters perceive SF to be the more effective in protecting nationalists interest, figures on trust are a scant comfort to Mark.

  • peteb

    Pat

    While the poll does contain mixed messages for the UUP and the SDLP.. let’s not over-inflate the figures given.

    The original press release, and most other reports, show the figure you quote to be actually 51% – not 58% as reported by UTV (closer to 50/50, Pat) – it’s still not good news for the SDLP but not as bad as you would like to believe, Pat.

  • Ciaran

    Pat, the trust aspect is in relation to political leaders doing good for ALL people in Northern Ireland. Whilst 51% may see SF as being better at looking after Nationalists interests, that figure may not be as high when asking if they look after everyone in NIs interests!!.
    Its the failure of some political parties/figures to see the bigger picture and only try to look after their own groupings interests which has been counterproductive in building a NI that can work be it as part of the UK or as part of a United Ireland.
    Unfortunately for Durkan his party will continue to be in trouble as long as the ‘them and us’ attitude prevails which plays into SF and the DUPs hands.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Peteb,
    I simply followed the link to the 58%, so it was they who over inflated the figure, if you have a problem with the link take it up with Gonzo.
    The SDLP do put great store by opinion polls, before the last Westminster elections Alex Attwood spent a fortune of SDLP money commissioning one that told how they were all things to all people and how they were in with a chance of winning 7 seats. Therefore whether 58 or 51 percent they will be concerned.
    As for myself I see polling organisations as merely companies who keep people gainfully employed. I prefer the doorstep, the street and the real election. Therefore your assumption that the figures are not as bad as I would like to believe is incorrect.

  • peteb

    Pat

    I was merely pointing out that you took the 58% figure, which was incorrectly reported by UTV to start with, and ran with it as hard as you could go.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Ciaran,
    you are absolutely correct. But the real politik of NI means that the four main parties fish in two separate ponds for votes. In the pond that the SDLP and SF fish out of (the now corrected figure) of 51% on defending nationalists interests will be of concern to the SDLP.
    I’m unaware of the SF policy on opinion polls, but it’s probably along the lines of,” if the figures are for us they are good,” and ” if they are against us, you can’t trust opinion polls.”

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Peteb,

    How can I simply stating,”When even nearly 60% of SDLP voters perceive SF to be the more effective in protecting nationalists interest, figures on trust are a scant comfort to Mark” is running things as hard as I can go. I wasn’t aware we were so well acquainted.

  • Ciaran

    Pat, see your point – perhaps then its the electorates failure to see the bigger picture and keep the two seperate ponds going which is the counterproductive issue!
    However parties who feed and encourage the ‘them and us’ attitude only stand to gain electorally possibly at the expense of the electorate in the long run..

  • peteb

    That would be the ‘over-inflating’ of the figure I mentioned earlier, Pat.. and let’s not try to kid anyone, you’ve had to wipe plenty of froth from your chin before on this site.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    peteb,

    I suggest you take up any gripes you have with UTV it was they who over inflated the figure and the link from Gonzo was to that site.

    The froth from the chin stuff really is quite childish.

  • peteb

    Of course it is, Pat, silly me, what was I thinking? It’s all very childish and all UTV’s fault.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Peteb

    Thank you, I accept your apology and recognise your difficulty in following a simple link.

  • Keith M

    This poll is proof positive of the failings of any consociational solution. People vote for the parties that best represent their interests and not the parties that the trust to do the best for everyone. The one depressing thing I’m seeing in any new potential agreement coming out of Leeds Castle is that designation will remain. As long as there is designation there can be no “greater good” and the tribal nature of Northern Irish politics is likely to be perpetuated.

  • Kevin Mc Kinney

    It doesnt Really matter what the poll shows regarding Durkan and Trimble. Both have been shown to be ineffective in the past and have no real relevance in the negotiations now.

  • willowfield

    Trimble can hardly be said to have been ineffective, given that he negotiated the Agreement that the DUP and the other negotiators are currently reviewing with a view to making some minor improvements.

  • Kevin Mc Kinney

    Willowfield
    I take your point regarding the negotiations 6 yrs ago but my problem with Trimble is that he was never strong enough to take his party support base at that time with him

  • willowfield

    Trimble has a core of determined dissidents within his party which hampered him. He was also hampered by the decentralised nature of control within the party.

    The DUP faces neither of these problems, which makes their job a hell of a lot easier.