Daphne Trimble to challenge Donaldson

David Trimble’s wife Daphne is to enter Ulster politics, by challenging Jeffrey Donaldson in his home territory. At this stage of the game at least, Jeffrey does not seem unduly worried by the prospect.

  • Delrio

    Trimble vs Donaldson in Lagan Valley. Its what everyone has wanted, even if it is Mrs Trimble standing. One has to wonder if the Ulster Unionists in Lagan Valley have anyone else that could have stood? I do not believe that Jeffrey will have much to worry about, and I believe that the two Trimbles will be defeated by the two DUP candidates, Donaldson and Simpson.

  • peteb

    “I believe that the two Trimbles will be defeated by the two DUP candidates, Donaldson and Simpson.”

    Bart’s standing for election here? or is it Homer?

  • Jesse James

    What a joke? I bet Jeffrey is going to love keeping Lagan Valley even more now that it is at the expense of Mrs Trimble.

  • Jesse James

    I see from David Trimble’s comments that he still has not woken up to the fact that the electorate have rejected him. There is no such thing as a safe UUP seat any longer and anyone who believes that Daphne is going to win is completely barmy.

    Even an impartial observer must recognise that Donaldson is an excellent constituency MP so why would you dump in favour of someone who is the wife of an MP who does nothing for his constituency?

  • Delrio

    Quite right. It is never as if Jeffrey has supported the ever changing policy of DT. Jeffrey has been anti-agreement since the signing of the thing, and the people of Lagan Valley know what and who they have been voting for!

  • Peter Brown

    What about the UUP’s alleged aversion to DUP family dynasties which was particularly keenly felt by a number of new YUs one of them from Lagan Valley? Will they be supporting Mrs DT at the Selection Meeting?

  • willowfield

    Delrio

    Jeffrey has been anti-agreement since the signing of the thing, and the people of Lagan Valley know what and who they have been voting for!

    I wonder what the people of Lagan Valley think now that Jeffrey, as a DUP man, has signed up to the very Agreement he opposed as a UUP man!

    Obviously, Lagan Valley will be a DUP hold, but Daphne Trimble’s as good a candidate as the UUP could get. She’ll be a better candidate than Billy Bell, Ivan Davis, or any of the other possibilities. Good luck to her.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    I haven’t seen Daphne Trimble debate or even discuss any political issues. She is certainly of a sufficient profile to rally UUP supporters.

    At this stage one can bet that some element of the electronic media will be planning some sort of debate between them. It will be intersting to see how she fares against a fairly solid media performer.

  • davidbrew

    those other UUP candidates in full

    East Antrim-Fymble Trimble-little known uncle

    East Belfast-Fido Trimble-rottweiler with rare genetic condition of no teeth or backbone

    North Belfast-Tiddles Trimble-“just as much a pussy cat as his owner” (G Adams)

    East Londonderry-Crymble ffolliott smith-smythe- smith Trimble-aristocratic cousin who hopes to be the second family member given a seat in the House of Lords after the next general election

    South Down-Dermot Nesbitt(-I’m sorry , it’s getting silly now)

    So….the safest UUP seat in NI 18 months ago, and they can’t find a brave pigmy to stand for it…say’s it all really

  • AndrewD

    I think members within the UUP have excepted that Jeffery Donaldson will retain has seat in Lagan Valley.

    Jeffery may retain his seat but his vote will fall. There is alot of traditional Ulster Unionists out there. I know of some and I think that, that is a sample of Lagan Valley.

    I agree but not completely that no seat is safe for the UUP and I think that alot of work has to be done from now to Spring.

    I for one don’t believe IRA decommissioning and ‘the closing up phase’ of the IRA has or will begin soon. I don’t believe that, this was top of the DUP’s agenda at Leeds Castle nor the Governments. They are more worried about saving devolution and also saving their pockets.

    I think Sinn Fein/IRA at the weekend didn’t say anything different than what they have said before, only that ‘give us another chance, we will be good boys this time.’

  • Mark McGregor

    IMO Daphne is not as attractive as Iris. I think Daphne needs less makeup though.

  • Michael Shilliday

    “What about the UUP’s alleged aversion to DUP family dynasties which was particularly keenly felt by a number of new YUs one of them from Lagan Valley? Will they be supporting Mrs DT at the Selection Meeting?”

    Is that a referance to me Cllr Brown? I was an old YU too!

    My aversion is with the DUP’s liking of taking three elected posts each, not the fact that some of them are married.

  • Davros

    “IMO Daphne is not as attractive as Iris. I think Daphne needs less makeup though.”

    Mark, what would the feminist wing of the party say about that one ? 😉

  • Davros

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  • Rebecca Black

    indeed Peter, not all the old YUs felt the same, I remember certainly getting increasingly fed up and depressed with the persistant negative attitude to everything talked about by the old YU organisation. It was like being at a meeting of very old jaded men instead of under 30s.

    I can’t decide if running Mrs Trimble is genius or madness – they say a slim line separates the two afterall!!

  • willowfield

    This blog is misleading since apparently Mrs Trimble is merely putting herself forward for selection. It is not yet the case, therefore, that she will be challenging Mr Donaldson.

  • Peter Brown

    “My aversion is with the DUP’s liking of taking three elected posts each, not the fact that some of them are married.”

    If so then your aversion has changed – there used to be much comment about the inability of DUP to find candidates outside their own families

    “I remember certainly getting increasingly fed up and depressed with the persistant negative attitude to everything talked about by the old YU organisation. It was like being at a meeting of very old jaded men instead of under 30s.”

    I think that this description of the concerns of the vast majority of the unionist electorate is indicative of the attitude of the UUP and is why most of them now vote DUP including in Lagan Valley. Will there be a selection meeting or will Jeffrey’s fiercest critics and previous undertaking breaching opponents in the case of at least 1 current MLA not be putting themselves up for selection but simply be canvassing for Mrs T? There were those at the time of Jeffrey’s defection who said on this site any by-election would be won by the UUP but there appears to be a resignation on this thread that its not whether Jeffrey will win but by how much!

  • Rebecca Black

    “I think that this description of the concerns of the vast majority of the unionist electorate is indicative of the attitude of the UUP and is why most of them now vote DUP including in Lagan Valley.”

    I think you missed the point Peter, not every unionist under the age of 30 is quite so depressing.

  • Peter Brown

    No you are right – I suspect that the Young Democrats are cock a hoop about this announcement and subsequent UUP self fulfilling defeatism and the weakening of their main rivals in the UYUC

  • North Antrim Realist

    Does anybody know if Peter Brown has, as yet, followed his heroes Jeffery Donaldson and Arlene Foster in joining the DUP?

  • willowfield

    Does anyone care?

  • Peter Brown

    Has NAR joined the UUP?

  • Peter Brown

    Who is Willowfield anyway?

  • willowfield

    That’s me.

  • Peter Brown

    Anonymous, East Belfast – remember ball not man particularly if you wish to hide behind your anonimity. Your apparent reluctance to play the ball on this subject is duly noted…..

  • Michael Shilliday

    “If so then your aversion has changed – there used to be much comment about the inability of DUP to find candidates outside their own families”

    Not from me there wasn’t. You do puzzle me sometimes Peter.

  • willowfield

    Peter Brown

    When did I play the man?

  • Peter Brown

    Does anyone care?

    Hardly relevant to the thread – how does it play the ball?

  • Peter Brown

    Not from me there wasn’t.

    There were numerous comments about the amount of money being received by the Robinson household from their various positions – the loss of the archive does not allow me to cite specific examples at the moment and may be lost permanently. You say that you were not one of those who made these comments? That is not my recollection but I am subject to correction.

    I happen to agree with that position but unlike others I will not revise it now simply because it as so often in the past has come home to roost.

  • willowfield

    Does anyone care?

    Obviously you do, since you raised it!

    Hardly relevant to the thread – how does it play the ball?

    How does what play the ball?

  • stephen nicholl

    I think the idea of putting up someone who has not held political office at even council level against a sitting MP with the largest majority says a lot for those supporting Daphne. It would appear to be an act of desperation with a number of potential candidates (davis, bell Dermot etc) not wishing to waste their money. We can have no doubt that the newly appointed director of elections will be focusing his efforts on Lagan Valley and for that those of us elsewhere can be thankful.

  • Rebecca Black

    Peter

    “There were numerous comments about the amount of money being received by the Robinson household from their various positions – the loss of the archive does not allow me to cite specific examples at the moment and may be lost permanently. You say that you were not one of those who made these comments? That is not my recollection but I am subject to correction.”

    Yes Peter I think we all agree that the money that floods into the Robinson household is pretty obscene. However you were accusing Michael of objecting to politicians spouses being involved in politics, there is a world of difference between the Robinsons empire where they are both councillors, MLAs and MPs. Mr Trimble is merely going for the westminster seat, you can’t really compare the two cases.

    “No you are right – I suspect that the Young Democrats are cock a hoop about this announcement and subsequent UUP self fulfilling defeatism and the weakening of their main rivals in the UYUC”

    er, yes Peter, you are just proving the point I was making earlier about the old YU being determined to look at the most bleak aspect of everything that happened. For goodness sake cheer up!

    North Antrim Realist

    “Does anybody know if Peter Brown has, as yet, followed his heroes Jeffery Donaldson and Arlene Foster in joining the DUP?”

    presumably not yet as he is still secretary of the councillors association and very involved. Can’t decide if its on the cards or if he just likes having something to moan about.

  • Rebecca Black

    Stephen Nichol

    like Mrs Trimble, Dermot is not a confirmed candiate for the UUP, he has declared his interest in running for selection, that doesn’t mean he will actually run, same with Mrs Trimble.

    Stick to the facts inside of random speculation.

  • Rebecca Black

    “Stick to the facts inside of random speculation.”

    inside should be instead.

    “Mr Trimble is merely going for the westminster seat, you can’t really compare the two cases.”

    That should read Mrs Trimble is merely going for the Westminster seat in Lagan Valley.

    apologies, somewhat tired today

  • North Antrim Realist

    PB

    When you stand for public office you are open to having questions asked of you about your policies and actions, if you don’t want to answer you shouldn’t stand for office.

    I have no intention of doing so and therefore have no need to answer questions from you or anybody else.

    Do you support the policies of the UUP or the DUP?

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    “I think the idea of putting up someone who has not held political office at even council level against a sitting MP with the largest majority says a lot for those supporting Daphne.”

    Is Daphne attempting to stand in Lagan Valley or West Belfast

  • Peter Brown

    NAR

    Do you support the policies of the UUP or the DUP?

    Isn’t your point on a number of other threads that these are now the same thing and in the light of this do you want to rephrase the question? ;-p

  • Rebecca Black

    Pat

    nah, Gerry has only the threat of Diane Dodds to hold off in West Belfast – reckon he can do it?!?!?!!

    Is it true that certain shinners are going to contest Dail seats in the republic as well as Westminster seats so that some shinners might be TD as well as MP?
    I heard that rumour the other day, would northern shinners follow their southern counterparts and take seats in the Dail?

  • Butterknife

    Public purse drain of the family Robinson

    Councillors
    CASTLEREAGH CENTRAL

    Peter Robinson

    CASTLEREAGH EAST

    Iris Robinson

    Members of Parliament

    Peter Robinson
    Iris Robinson

    Members of the Northern Ireland Assembly

    Peter Robinson
    Iris Robinson

    Last home rule Minister responsible for the water rates (i.e. DRD)

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Rebecca,
    I believe Diane has bigger fish to fry elsewhere rather than being the standard bearer in W Belfast. Especially if the ooundary changes bring Court Ward into N Belfast. Diane is obviously looking to the election after next.

    Heard that one about the Shinners before, especially before the last Dail elections. Adams, at that time, dismissed it as being short term and preferred local candidates. Haven’t read anything different since then.

  • Butterknife

    If Mrs Trimble wants to try and become the UUP touch-bearer for Lagan Valley so be it. I think after being on the receiving end of the DUP bully tactics used on her person, and of her husband, in the last General Election that she is used to the cut and thrust already.

    As for Jeffrey: he is an opportunist, being an MP you may expect this but he knowingly made plans to leave the UUP before he stole their votes at the last MLA elections. It has been suggested by the people of the Shankill that he used certain people up there for his own ends. I think the

  • Peter Brown

    NAR

    When you stand for public office you are open to having questions asked of you about your policies and actions, if you don’t want to answer you shouldn’t stand for office.

    Possibly partly but certainly not universally true – I do not need to answer anonymous questions from non constituents – if you want answers yiou should lose the anonimity. At least I give up that right which is what you claim makes me liable to be questioned….

    Butterknife – simply including the word alleged does not make you immune from libel proceedings whenyou make serious allegations without any evidence to back it up. As for the bullying of the DUP there are those in the UUP not afrid to make threats of physical violence when it suits them – and as for Jeffrey is there any evidence of the preplanning or of the vote stealing or of abuse of the people of the Shankill – at least the elections next year will reveal the true picture….Vague non specific but still serious allegations without evidence are merely mud slinging unless you can back them up

  • Butterknife

    Peter the DUP defender: thanks for the free legal advice anyway however it would never come to court for he has much to loss!

  • North Antrim Realist

    PB
    ‘Possibly partly but certainly not universally true – I do not need to answer anonymous questions from non constituents – if you want answers yiou should lose the anonimity. At least I give up that right which is what you claim makes me liable to be questioned….’

    If you don’t want to answer the questions just say so, who asks a question is less important than the answer that is given…

    The UUP supoport the GFA in principle and always have done, the DUP pretend not to. If they are now the same why did JD leave and will he leave the DUP as well when they do…………….

  • Peter Brown

    Peter the DUP defender: thanks for the free legal advice anyway however it would never come to court for he has much to loss!

    I think you mean lose – but I see that you still produce no evidence…..and without evidence in court he wouldn’t lose!

    NAR you haven’t answered my question so take the plank out of your own eye…

    You say they are the same in other threads I don’t – the fact that the UUP would have come away from Leeds with a deal but the DUP did not I believe is indicative of the difference between the 2 parties. Both have bottom lines but only one sticks to theirs. The supplememtary question is what is teir bottom line?

  • willowfield

    The DUP said they’d get a better deal.

    They failed.

  • Peter Brown

    Did they succeed in so far as they didn’t sign up to a worse deal?

  • willowfield

    No.

  • Peter Brown

    cf Weston Park, Joint Declaration for example? Care to expand?

  • Rebecca Black

    “Did they succeed in so far as they didn’t sign up to a worse deal?”

    ah right, so success is doing nothing now is it? Well, that’d make for a fine world wouldn’t it!

    Talk sense Peter

  • Christopher Stalford

    Willowfield

    “The DUP said they’d get a better deal.

    They failed.”

    So when exactly did you see the final draft of the new deal? Oh right you haven’t! Good to see you’re making an informed judgement.

    Fool.

  • Davros

    Who NEEDS the IRA or even Sinn F

  • Butterknife

    Christopher Stalford

    You are the reason people will never trust the DUP. Roman Catholics and nationalists, and other liberals can never vote for a bigoted party. Unionists on the other hand have lent you their vote for you have sepent so long putting the fear of God into people and spreading half-truths that when it comes to finally agreeing on power-sharing you feel find that you will as surely as the man who builds on sand.

    But that aside it was time that the DUP became No. 1, for now, for by reading letters in The Newsletter and The Belfast Telegraph people are beginning to understand that the fair deal is the old GFA and the never is maybe ….

    Get the 30 pieces of silver ready DUP!

  • willowfield

    Christopher Stalford

    So when exactly did you see the final draft of the new deal? Oh right you haven’t! Good to see you’re making an informed judgement. Fool.

    What new deal?

  • Rebecca Black

    Stalford

    As far as the general public are aware the DUP have not got a deal or anything like it. You just made a slip up.

    Fool.

  • Rebecca Black

    by the way, according to other young duppers, stalford wasn’t at Leeds Castle (Just in case he tries to let on that he is)

  • Davros

    After Spotlight last night I will forever think of the DUP as the Camel-Swallowers 🙂

  • Butterknife

    All those years at university and still my English is dreadful. O well, at least i can still think for myself … another reason why people do not join the DUP.

  • Davros

    whoops, not Spotlight , Hearts and Minds …
    Thanks DV !

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    The DUP do not recognise the GFA, they have stated it often enough. Despite the hypocricy of taking up their Ministries and sitting on committees they were able to stand over the illusion that they were still against the GFA.

    No one knows for sure the exact content of the Leeds Castle talks (well those who know aren’t exactly sayng). But one thing is for sure The GFA will still stand, there will be no new deal and the existing talks are taking place within clearly defined parameters witin the context of the GFA.

    It will be a measure of the UUP and its immediate future as to how the capitalise on the volte face by the DUPers. If the roles were reversed the DUPers would pound the UUP with abandon. Has the UUP anyone with the bottle for the next few weeks?

  • willowfield

    Interesting on H&M last night, the UUP tactic seemed to be to dismiss the DUP (they’ve finally followed the UUP on board) and launch into the Provos about decommissioning.

    They must have calculated that there is no electoral mileage to be gained by attacking the DUP: better to be seen to be attacking the Provos about guns while letting the DUP witter on about “accountability”.

  • Butterknife

    Being objective i would let the DUP get on with it: If they get their so called fair deal without betraying their pledges then they deserve the prize but if not then they deserve everything that will be thrown their way.

  • Christopher Stalford

    Willowfield/Rebecca

    There is no new deal – that’s the point! There may not even be one. You are rushing to condemn us without the slightest clue as to what has/has not been agreed to.

    Rebecca.

    Are we still an advocate of Home rule?!?!

    HA HA HA HA

  • barnshee

    Poor deluded woman – I hope David makes her pay the lost deposit out of the housekeeping

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    If there is no new deal we can now add that particular failure to the DUP promise to smash their prospective ministeial partners in Sinn Fein. That one dated circa 1983 and was apparently running up until last week.

    Just one big long chapter of success.

  • willowfield

    Christopher Stalford

    There is no new deal – that’s the point! There may not even be one.

    Which is why I said the DUP failed.

  • Christopher Stalford

    Willowfield

    So the DUP have failed because of something which may or may not happen at some point in the future.

    Good to see you aren’t rushing to a conclusion.

  • willowfield

    Fair enough: they’ve failed so far.

    If they manage to alter a few paragraphs of the GFA will you count that as a success?

  • Christopher Stalford

    No I will not. There are serious fundamental issues that need to be dealt with regarding the structures of government.

    It is not “wittering on” to expect government ministers to be accountable for their actions to the assembly.

    Other issues which need addressed: North-South, enhancement of East-West, Victims etc. What we will not settle for is the Belfast Agreement four years late. Total decomissioning, while very, very welcome, will not be enough.

    I would urge you to wait and see before accusing us of failure. I will be more than happy to be judged by what we said in our assembly election/european manifesto and in “Devolution Now” and “North-South, East-West” policy documents.

    Those are the yardsticks against which success or failure are to be measured.

  • willowfield

    If you can’t get the other parties to agree on accountability, is there much chance you’ll get them to agree to your other issues (in addition!)?

    Even though these merely amount to tinkering.

    Why didn’t you just take part in 1998 and you could have shaped the Agreement at that stage? Far harder to get it done six years late!

  • peteb

    “Other issues which need addressed: North-South, enhancement of East-West, Victims etc.”

    You wouldn’t, by any chance, have left “removal of” from the start of the first item on that list, Christopher?

  • Belfast Gonzo

    The News Letter’s letters page is red hot with unionist in-fighting at the moment. How would the DUP answer the charges below? If DUP principles are consistent with the Agreement’s, and the DUP should (according to one letter writer) not be a party of power sharing, will it be able to bring along its backwoodsment. While the DUP are excellent at presenting a united front (take note UUP), there may well be cracks appearing.

    DUP In For A Policy Shock!
    Friday 24th September 2004

    On television on Tuesday night, Peter Robinson uttered the incredible statement that “at the very beginning, we had agreed with the Government that the fundamentals of the Belfast Agreement that they outlined were consistent with the fundamentals that the DUP had put forward for a way forward”.

    It certainly came as news to this Ulster Unionist voter, and I have no doubt that, if they take the trouble to digest it, it will come as news to the vast majority of DUP voters as well.

    In their ‘Devolution Now’ document (home of the illfated corporate assembly model), the DUP said that the Belfast Agreement had “failed to deliver for the people of Northern Ireland and a new form of devolution is required”.

    They have spent the past six years telling us that the Agreement is the product of “failed negotiators” and “pushover unionists”. Yet Peter Robinson is now telling us that the fundamentals of the Belfast Agreement are consistent with DUP fundamentals?

    Has he told Ian Paisley?

    * Ulster Unionist Supporter, Comber

    Many Will Have A Problem With Power-sharing In Assembly
    Thursday 23rd September 2004

    I would like to comment on a question posed by DUP deputy leader Peter Robinson today (September 21).

    Outlining the DUP’s concerns about the operation of the decisionmaking process within the Assembly executive, Mr Robinson argued for cross-community votes in the Assembly.

    He then proceeded to ask: “Is there anyone who has a problem with that?”

    Seemingly, Mr Robinson is of the view that the thing is so self-evident that no-one could possibly have a problem with it.

    May I say, I have a problem with it, and may I in turn pose a question for Mr Robinson?

    Since when did we become a power-sharing party?

    I certainly did not know that when I canvassed outside a polling station in June, otherwise I would not have been there. The whole concept of a power-sharing administration was one of the fundamental tenets of the Belfast Agreement, the Agreement which the DUP wanted, at least until recently, to replace.

    I can tell Mr Robinson that when I stood outside a polling station in Ballymena in June, a lot of the people who enthusiastically took our election literature said to me things like: “We want to make sure we keep Sinn Fein out.”

    Now, we seem to be on the verge of sharing power with them.

    Power- sharing is a flawed system and, especially in Northern Ireland, it will cause the whole administration to get bogged down on contentious issues. It will be a recipe for political inertia.

    It is also undemocraticin principle: the unionist electorate will vote in an Assembly election for unionist policies and end up with many issues being decided on a crosscommunity vote, which means, in effect, the outcome will have to be acceptable to Sinn Fein.

    So, there you have it, Mr Robinson. Maybe you would like to explain to the 170,000-odd people who voted DUP in the European election why power-sharing with Irish republicans is such a great idea?

    * Philip Rainey, Ballymena

  • Christopher Stalford

    Peteb

    No. The DUP has no problem whatsoever with sensible North-South co-operation that is mutually beneficial to both countries. Rivers don’t stop at the border, after all. What we oppose is the way in which the current structures are not accountable to the representatives of the people of Northern Ireland.

    “If you can’t get the other parties to agree on accountability”

    The only party I’ve heard taking an absolute position on accountability is the SDLP. Alliance seem to be making very positive sounds indeed. The current system does not equate to power sharing, it is in fact power division – everyone gets their own chunk of ministerial power in isolation of everyone else and they can go off and do what ever they like. The DUP’s proposals on the other hand require everyone to move forward together, with cross-community consensus. What’s wrong with that?

  • willowfield

    Belfast Gonzo

    On television on Tuesday night, Peter Robinson uttered the incredible statement that “at the very beginning, we had agreed with the Government that the fundamentals of the Belfast Agreement that they outlined were consistent with the fundamentals that the DUP had put forward for a way forward”.

    Oh, wouldn

  • Christopher Stalford

    Gonzo

    I’ll have a go.

    “Yet Peter Robinson is now telling us that the fundamentals of the Belfast Agreement are consistent with DUP fundamentals?”

    What are the fundamentals of the agreement/any agreement that may be reached in the future?

    The “fundamentals” can be as broad or as narrow as someone using the word wants them to be. So, according to Mark Durkan a joint FM-DFM election procedure is a “fundamental” – personally I disagree.

    To my mind, the “fundamentals” is the three-stranded template used to reach the last agreement. Of course operating in that template is consistent with the pursuit of DUP policy objectives, why wouldn’t it be?

    “Power- sharing is a flawed system and, especially in Northern Ireland.”

    Previous forms of power-sharing, especially the most recent example have had serious flaws. I don’t think the system currently being advocated by the DUP is flawed at all. In fact, I think it is a recipe for stable, durable and lastinf devolution.

  • Christopher Stalford

    Willowfield

    “Oh, wouldn’t it be hilarious….”

    Whatever rocks your boat, Willow?!!

  • peteb

    Christopher

    I love the ironic use of “sensible” :o)

  • Christopher Stalford

    ;-P

  • Paul P

    If the efforts of the DUP to have stable, accountable devolved goverment is only the GFagreemnet “tweaked” a bit, why hasnt SF UUP and SDLP shook hands on a deal?

    If the DUP’s Devolution Now proposals are as in the words of Michael McGimpsey the Father and Mother of all concessions, why hasn’t SF agreed to them?

  • Christopher Stalford

    Paul P

    Exactly!

  • Rebecca Black

    ah yes christopher, slight slip of the tongue, cameras faze me.

  • Christopher Stalford

    Don’t worry about it – McNarry took the bad look off you!

  • stephen nicholl

    Perhaps mr stalford could let us all know the date of the referendum

    After all new deal new referendum

  • jonty

    Chris, remember you dont support sinn fein in any type of government

  • jonty

    I will be more than happy to be judged by what we said in our assembly election/european manifesto and in “Devolution Now” and “North-South, East-West” policy documents. –
    Chris remember you were against the proposals in devolution now just 3 days before its release

  • jonty

    Jonty.

    “is he in favour of sinn fein participating in a committee sytle government BEFORE they have done away with their weapons?”

    No. Until the IRA decomissions all of it’s terrorist arsenal and Sinn Fein renounces the use of violence, I am not in favour of Sinn Fein being in any government – committee-style or any other style for that matter.

    This has always been the DUP position.

    Jonty.

    I repeat, you really have no idea, do you?

    I think I’m a little better placed to know than than you are.

    Christopher Stalford on February 3, 2004 10:08 Pm

    have they decided yet to tell yo u what theyre actually doing chris?

  • jonty

    Chris, when did the DUP actually adopt power sharing???? Cna you show it to me somewhere.

    thanks

  • jonty

    If the DUP’s Devolution Now proposals are as in the words of Michael McGimpsey the Father and Mother of all concessions, why hasn’t SF agreed to them? –
    Simple, these were given BEFORE negotiations began, SInn Fein are cute enough to know if they can this much free up front, god only knows what they will get later on, such as the DUP agreeing to s SINN FEIN minister for justice and policing, the DUP ignoring the issue of on the runs at leeds and giving it to the shinners as a sweetner and goodness knows what else.

  • Rebecca Black

    nah christopher, I think your Willie Hay took the bad look of me when carruthers got laid into him about the “romanist journalists” comment by your leader.

    Incidentally, what are your thoughts on that? What line did Peter Weird skill you to use on that particular thorn?

  • barnshee

    Gregory gave tha game away on TV –the words “the 2005 agreement” —Mitchell McLoughlin picked it up but no one ran with it. There will be no agreement until after the elections next year

  • Anonymous

    “why hasn’t SF agreed to them?”

    SF are used to playing the victim ?

  • willowfield

    Paul P

    If the efforts of the DUP to have stable, accountable devolved goverment is only the GFagreemnet “tweaked” a bit, why hasnt SF UUP and SDLP shook hands on a deal?

    Because they don’t want to make life easy for the DUP.

  • Anonymous

    “There were numerous comments about the amount of money being received by the Robinson household from their various positions”

    I have scipped vast parts of this thread to respond to this – Peter, those comments were aimed at the keeping of the office cost allowances in the family.

    Having read your contributions in this thread, which party are you in?

  • Anonymous

    that was me, Michael Shilliday