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Is Peter Robinson ready to mete out some tough love to loyalist paramilitaries…

Mon 2 December 2013, 2:07pm

Harsh words today from Tom Kelly in his Irish News column when he accuses the Chief Constable of living in Narnia if he thinks the rest of us believe that loyalist paramilitaries are not behind the orchestration of violence in recent weeks.

This morning Newshound links to this feature in the Belfast Telegraph:

A mother of four has told how her children watched in horror as a fire engulfed their home.

The UDA has been blamed for the malicious fire started at the house in Shankill Terrace. The Fire Service sent seven appliances and 33 firefighters at 7.15pm last night as flames threatened to spread to nearby roofs.

Residents on either side were evacuated from their homes and eye-witnesses described a hole in the roof where flames were bursting through. It comes just three days after UDA killer William ‘Mo’ Courtney (50) was convicted of headbutting Ms Coulter during a confrontation over drugs.

Tracey Coulter told the BelTel…

She called on First Minister Peter Robinson to immediately end funding for community centres that employed members of the paramilitary group.

Courtney assaulted Ms Coulter after she travelled to the Lower Shankill Community Association offices to speak to one of his associates about the death of a relative.

Her cousin Neil Orr had died from suspected drug abuse a week before the incident.

She said: “The government have to take action. They cannot continue to let law-abiding citizens be tortured by these thugs. The situation on the ground and the level of intimidation of ordinary people like me is getting worse.”

This, like failure to root the child sex abuse problem through state agencies is one of the hideous and difficult to reach legacies, not simply of the Troubles but of a peace process that has thrived in part from ‘buying people in’.

It’s almost completely hidden because unlike the Loyalist street protests these guys go largely about their business inside single identity communities where local people’s access is conditioned by insanely jealous paramilitary leaders.

It’s the Catch 22 of NI’s peculiar model of engagement politics. If you are inside the camp you are almost completely protected. Woe betide people like Ms Coulter who get in their way.

But as Margaret Ritchie discovered closing down funding for projects perceived to be close to or benefiting paramilitaries is more complicated than just waving a ministerial pen. It requires cross cutting strong political will.

As Tom Kelly notes today, there are political causes to the local bolstering of paramilitaries…

With elections imminent, the PUP – the UVF’s apologists-in-chief – are intent on creaming off the loyalist discontent for electoral gain.

The rise of dissident republican activity is like a super Christmas present come early for Billy hutchinson and his mates. The PUP needs a resurgent republican threat to shore up their self-proclaimed loyalist protector role.

So what can Peter Robinson do? The straight answer is to start backing citizens over vested local interests (like the UVF/UDA). And back the PSNI in the field.

But as Kelly also points out, there’s is currently little reciprocation on the other side, with special pleading being made for ‘senior Republicans’ who find themselves on the wrong side of the law:

Sinn Fein spokespeople are rightly quick to condemn dissident actions but are slow to support the justice meted out to them by the police and courts system. This is not a sustainable position.

Sinn Fein need to have the same political fortitude and judicial resolve against former comrades as was displayed by the Cosgrave and De Valera administrations in dealing with the recalcitrant elements of militant republicans post-Treaty.

Methinks it’s time for some tough love all round.

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  1. Is Peter Robinson ready to mete out some tough love to loyalist paramilitaries…

    Not so long as pussy is a cat, Mick. He just doesn’t have any power to be effective in that line of work. He be more bending willow in a storm than proud oak in a tempest and he needs their support to continue to survive and prosper and play them at their own game.

    And please, no tittle tattle about Iris being able to confirm dire consequence rather than satisfactory performance. Play the ball, keep the game clean please.

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  2. Ruarai (profile) says:

    This quote from Tracey Coulter is worth repeating:

    “The government have to take action. They cannot continue to let law-abiding citizens be tortured by these thugs. The situation on the ground and the level of intimidation of ordinary people like me is getting worse.”

    1. She’s a profile in courage.

    2. Where she may be wrong is in the call for govt. action. It’s the govt. action that is the problem here.

    I hope to post on this later.

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  3. Charles_Gould (profile) says:

    ““The government have to take action. They cannot continue….””

    “Should that be the government has to take action? It cannot..”

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  4. carl marks (profile) says:

    Peter is going to find it very difficult to tackle the loyalists, many leading members of his party insist on turning up at protests organised by the UVF, and all we need is Ruth or Nelson to be seen beside Winkie, Billy or any other member of the “PUP” at say Twaddell and bang goes any credibility he has as a leader.
    Then there is also the problem best described by David Irvine when he said of senior unionist politicians “I know what skeletons are in what cupboard” and said he knew the colour of the wallpaper is in Big Ian’s living room. PR refuses to talk about Clontribet but maybe if he has a go at the UVF somebody else might decide to fill us in,
    No I won’t hold my breath while waiting for anything more than weasly words from the DUP.
    By the way it will be amusing if any supporters of the TUV or the UUP post on this condemning PR for not taking action against the UVF as they are as guilty of turning a blind eye to the drug dealers as he is as he is.

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  5. Red Lion (profile) says:

    I agree with all of Mick’s words above.

    I would add, that I don’t believe the DUP particularly care about what goes on in the lowest-rung-of-the-ladder paramilitary infested unionist areas, especially not at the individual or personal level where many still suffer daily. They currentlydon’t have a big enough party gain for getting stuck into that, it pays not to rock the boat and look the other way.

    The DUP virtually practically abandoned areas like Shankill estate, Tigers Bay, Sandy Row, Templemore Av long ago.

    I remember the chief constable 1-2 years ago informing Robinson and J Donaldson of the level of loyalist paramilitary activity in such areas. Their response; they were ‘shocked’! An admittance from the DUP of how out of touch they are as to the control and intimidation and harm that loyalists inflict on working class unionist areas when virtually anybody who lives in or close to these areas can tell you what life is really like in an instant. See the reluctance of good people in Sydenham to speak out over UVF murals as an example.

    DUP simply do not have the same influence or knowledge of working class unionist areas as SF have of republican ones, nor do they really want it. The DUP’s knowledge on the issues affecting these areas is vague and unfocussed, DUP in something of a bubble. That said, the DUP can still do their bit to whip up such areas to riot from a safe removed vantage point.

    Quite often , Northern Ireland in 2013 makes me sick and frustrated to the stomach, and utterly powerless.

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  6. tacapall (profile) says:

    Peter Robinson will not condemn or take action against the UVF or UDA for the same reasons the PSNI and British government excuse their involvement and turn a blind eye to their activities. The fact is the UVF and the UDA represent British interests in Ireland, they are and always have been controlled by the RUC now PSNI and British intelligence and they are still being controlled by elements within both those state agencies. These state controlled paramilitary groups have a free hand to ensure the status quo and promote the idea that the British identity is the dominant identity in this part of Ireland. This arrangement has been there since the formation of this state for the UVF and the various unionist parties has since its formation turned a blind eye to this arrangement.

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  7. Looking at the whole situation from the outside, it seems that the Chief Constable must be under orders not to lay a finger on certain people. If that is true, who is issuing the orders to him?

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  8. Morpheus (profile) says:

    The fact that 9 out of 10 of those eligible to vote in NI have now registered to vote means that PR won’t lift a finger against the loyalist paramilitaries, just in case. I would even go as far as to say that he will be courting the very same guys in the coming months in an attempt to eliminate the balance of power at Belfast City Hall.

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  9. Turgon (profile) says:

    The DUP and other unionist political parties should be condemned for their inaction over loyalist criminals. They have been too quiet far too often. There would be massive gain for the communities and for mainstream unionists if the latter properly represented these working class areas especially in Belfast. The DUP and UUP have always been too middle class dominated and over the last 20 years their number of working class based politicians has fallen.

    The unionist parties need to get into the areas and represent the people. Then they can gain electoral rewards and also undermine the loyalist terrorists. In the failure to do this previously Republicans may see conspiracy here: I suspect the problem is more inertia, complacency and at times a bit of snobbishness.

    However, the DUP (and other unionists) are not the only one to blame. For far, far too long large segments of the media have fawned before assorted loyalist “brigaders” and politicians euphemistically described as linked to loyalists. The same goes for assorted letsgetalongerists, churchmen and others. It even occurred within the British governments (Mo Mowlam) and the Irish president with the loathsome spectacle of loyalist criminals being invited to meet the Queen when she visited the RoI.

    One thing which would also help would be noting that things like the flag decision caused great anger in working class unionist areas. There is a difficult line to be drawn between supporting the legitimate right to complain about that decision and similar issues of concern and separately supporting loyalist criminals who so enthusiastically jumped onto that bandwagon. Had the DUP etc. had a greater presence on the ground in working class unionist areas the paramilitaries would not have been able to gain such traction and make this issue one of benefit for them.

    The police also need to start arresting loyalist criminals on a regular basis and bringing them before the courts. The sickening display of Matt Baggot entreating loyalist godfathers at the meeting in Wales last year produced nothing of benefit.

    There was never a good and a bad UDA or UVF: they were all always bad. There are organised loyalist criminals who should be arrested and gaoled.

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  10. carl marks (profile) says:

    Turgon could not help noticing you left out the TUV in your last post which is strange since you managed to have a go at nearly everybody else.
    Just for the record and to prevent any shouts of hypocrisy perhaps you could give us your opinion on Jim Allister’s stand of ignoring loyalist Parades lauding dead terrorists and his appearing with UVF leaders at Twaddell to support an illegal UVF linked protest,

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  11. babyface finlayson (profile) says:

    Morpheus
    “The fact that 9 out of 10 of those eligible to vote in NI have now registered to vote”
    I note that the 2011 assembly election saw an increase of 9% in registered voters, yet turnout on the day was only about 54% a drop of 8% from the previous assembly election.
    So I am not sure you can read too much into the recent figures, in terms of turnout at the next election.

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  12. Morpheus (profile) says:

    Fair point BF but it doesn’t really take away from my point that PR can’t afford to do anything to upset the loyalists just in case – he will be relying on their vote to eliminate the balance of power at Belfast City Hall.

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  13. aquifer (profile) says:

    Prominent politicians have form in strutting their stuff with the paramilitaries, using them for their own political ends, and in promoting paramilitary involvement in community organisations.

    Communal rights are crushing civic rights, but that does not trouble our political elite, who divide to rule.

    I do not think that Peter Robinson has the will to face down loyalist paramilitaries.

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  14. babyface finlayson (profile) says:

    Morpheus
    Sadly I agree.
    I suppose it is too much to hope that some of the 56% that did not vote last time might come out to support Alliance in respect of the thuggery they have had to face over this flag nonsense.

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  15. Morpheus (profile) says:

    I am fairly confident that The Alliance will be rewarded in election booth for the strong, principled stance they took BF. Let’s not forget that this all started in 2002 when the council (the entire council, not just the SF bogeymen) approved an equality assessment after legal advice. 10 years of discussion later, coupled with the advice from The Equality Commission and it was vote time. SF/SDLP went for neutrality but then bent to support The Alliance Party who brought the flag flying policy into line with Stormont and the rest of the UK. The Fleggers should be saying thank you and jogging on instead of these death threats, firebombs, intimidation etc. brought on my the gutless wonders at the DUP/UUP.

    The people of Northern Ireland are not stupid, they won’t fall for all the bluster and bollix. They can see that a compromise was made and when the dust settles they will see that the right decision was made for the right reason.

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  16. Carl Marks[4.42] Your post having been given a yellow card is proof it should be worn as a badge of pride as Slugger only wants criticism of republicans and gives Robbo,the most yellow spineless raw sewage of all, a bill of health even while the arch bigot Gregory Campbell overtlooks the attacks on police offficers as a ‘peaceful march. Ye Gods

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  17. Politico68 (profile) says:

    Morpeus – There isn’t a hope in hell of Unionism changing the power balance in Belfast. Any increase in the loyalist vote will be counter- acted by young Nationalists voting for the first time. Alliance might lose a seat or two due to the arrival of NI21 onto the stage but it is likely they will still hold the balance. Moreover, the recent phase of results from the census (showing the demographic shift in all age groups) paints a very bleak picture for both Unionism and Loyalism, in fact I would go so far as to say that Nationalist and Republicans could come within a hair of achieving a majority of the seats, if not this time then definitely next time. As far as Belfast is concerned the death of Unionism is moving faster than ever before.
    Mick, you seem to have a very tolerant attitude to PR considering his questionable behaviour in the past particularly when it comes to clontibret and his tango with those very dodgy but dangerous loyalists with the little hats back in the eighties. I got the impression that you preferred to see the downfall of these guys of dubious credentials or maybe u just like to be consistently in-consistent.
    The problem for PR is that the conditions on the ground are not anywhere like those that forced the IRA into the picture back in the early 70s. So he has no way of credibly justifying their behaviour. A revival of militant loyalism and the hysterics on the streets seem to be out of place in NI given the relative steadiness of politics and society in general. Robbo won’t lift a finger; with a veritable stew of Unionist Parties popping up daily like boils on an overheated corpse; he needs the votes badly. Or maybe there is a sneaking regard for the orphans of the defunct Unionist Monolith. In any event if he tries to reign them in, he will be hit by a backlash severe enough to potentially destabilise the DUP. And he will not risk that; not for God, Ulster or anybody else.

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  18. The people of Northern Ireland are not stupid, they won’t fall for all the bluster and bollix. They can see that a compromise was made and when the dust settles they will see that the right decision was made for the right reason. …. Morpheus 2 December 2013 at 9:51 pm

    Oh yes they are, Morpheus, and they do, for they will still be voting for the same bigoted circus clowns to be representative of them in the farce that presumes and pretends to govern bodies from Stormont.

    Politicians don’t wield power and control, they generate dissent and division, opposition and derision.

    Have you ever watched the mad house and behaviour of the braying buffoons in Parliament at Wednesdays PMQ time, and that is what Stormont is a clone of, a media reliant apology for an intelligent assembly of selfless servants of the people.

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  19. GEF (profile) says:

    “The DUP and other unionist political parties should be condemned for their inaction over loyalist criminals.”

    Turgon, thats like saying SF & other nationalist political parties should be condemned for their inaction over republican criminals.

    Its the PSNI’s job (not political parties) to condemn, uphold the law and arrest both individual republican & loyalist criminals whenever they have enought evidence against those who may have committed an offence..

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  20. carl marks (profile) says:

    Yellow card Mick, that’s the second one I have got for challenging turgon about his obvious Hypocrisy,
    while this thread is about PR and how (if at all) he will deal with the loyalist terror groups surely pointing out the double standards about the UVF/UDA abound, and if look at Turgons post although dressed up in righteous indignation is more about having a dig at PR than actual concern about the activities of the Paramilitary’s, or he would have no problem including the party he supports in his condemnations as wee Jim does just the same as Peter.
    Mick your lack of even-handedness with these cards is showing, PUL commenters get away with the most blatant trolling and Man playing with no cards but nationalists are not allowed to point out blatant hypocrisy when we see it.
    DM is right I will take it as a badge of honour and I will also point out Turgons (or anybody else’s) self-serving hypocrisy when I see it, if you wish to card me for that it is your right but by protecting the PUL: community from the facts of Life by suppressing critism of them is not going to help them in the long run

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  21. Morpheus (profile) says:

    “There isn’t a hope in hell of Unionism changing the power balance in Belfast.”

    It’s an outside chance but it’s still a chance. If political unionism, doesn’t matter which party, take 5 Alliance seats then it eliminates the balance of power. Although difficult because Alliance are obviously strong there but a concentrated effort in The Victoria ward of East Belfast with its 87% Protestant population could see off 3 Alliance Councillors with 1 swoop if they can hammer home the message that The Alliance are the spawn of Satan. That leaves 3 more Councillors in Laganbank, Balmoral and Pottinger.

    Laganbank will be tricky with just a 38% Protestant population and a candidate who topped the poll so the targets should be Balmoral (could be tricky, also a poll topper but it’s a ward with 53% Protestant population) and Pottinger (also tricky, also a poll topper but it’s a ward with 78% Protestant population).

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  22. mjh (profile) says:

    Morpheus

    Your scenario is, like any change in voting patterns, theoretically possible. And I appreciate that you are not actually predicting this will happen. But in order to judge how likely it is let’s look at the facts.

    On Ark, Nick Whyte points out that Victoria was the best result for Alliance in the last Local Government Elections. Alliance took 36.5% of the vote.

    To lose all three seats their vote would need to drop to around half a quota, or below. About 7% or less.

    In the 10 other Local Government Elections since 1973 (including 1 by-election) the Alliance vote has only been below 30% twice: in 1973 it was 19.6% (winning 1 seat) and in 2001 it fell to 22.8% (winning two seats).

    What you are describing is a total melt down of the Alliance vote. When a party is in even half that much trouble you see symptoms, such as rock bottom opinion poll results, bitter public in-fighting and defections.

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  23. Morpheus (profile) says:

    You are right mjh, what I am describing is unlikely but unless the DUP/UUP have given it up as a lost cause these are the areas I would be focusing my resources and using the excuse of the flag to galvanize local support i.e. “look what they did to us in our country”

    I am open to correction but I can’t think of anything in living memory where the Alliance have raised their heads so far above the parapet and judging from the despicable, cowardly leaflet drop last year there are not many levels the DUP/UUP won’t stoop to in order to keep power. Imagine the brownie (orange?) points they would get if they put the flag back up and made Belfast more British than the British again.

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  24. Politico68[4.10]Of course political unionism is moribund in Belfast but any unionist politician interviewed about the future of unionism in the statelet it created with a ‘fixed democratic margin, will only answer that they’re confident about it, so as to avoid giving satisfaction to ‘themmuns’ by voicing pessimism. How they must be cursing whover left Tyrone inside the border back in ’22, as they’d be sitting pretty now with a buffer zone. Their days in the sun are numbered and they know it. What use will they have for a Norn Iron they’ve lost control of?

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  25. mjh (profile) says:

    On the new Belfast council boundaries the various PUL candidates took about 36% of the total vote in the 2011 elections, while the various CNR candidates took 49% to 50%. Given the voter turnout and transfer patterns this would almost certainly have produced a hung council, with Alliance holding the balance of power.

    Given those figures, the one outcome in 2015 that we can positively rule out is a unionist majority. I don’t believe that the DUP strategists entertain the slightest hope that this can happen. You may well be correct that they will campaign for a unionist victory, but in reality that would be with the intention of maximising the DUP vote.

    As for diverting resources from other areas, this is something that smaller parties can do more easily. They risk nothing and can gain disproportionately by taking volunteers from no-hope areas and putting them to work in target seats. For large parties like the DUP this is more problematic. Since they stand a chance of winning seats in most areas, it is possible to lose more than they gain by robbing area A to help area B. And it can be much more difficult to persuade their local parties to do so.

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  26. Mick Fealty (profile) says:

    You do it every time he comments. It’s off topic man playing. Now, ball please?

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  27. carl marks (profile) says:

    Mick Fealty
    You do it every time he comments. It’s off topic man playing. Now, ball please?

    I’m sorry Mick, the post is about PR tackling the loyalist gangs, so surely the whole issue of the tolerance of all unionist politicians of the UVF/UDA is central to the issue, and while for someone to attack everybody else with his single repeatable post and can completely ignore it when the party he supports does the same thing shows that Turgon is not actually interested in tackling anybody but the DUP,
    It is a reasonable question why is it Bad for PR, Church Leaders, Getalongaists (whoever the hell they are) ,the UUP the NI office and the media but not bad for the TUV.
    I could be very easily shut up on the issue if he would explain why he makes this difference in judgement instead he prefers to duck the question,

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  28. Seamuscamp (profile) says:

    “But as Kelly also points out, there’s is currently little reciprocation on the other side”

    As nothing is being done on the DUP side, how could there be “reciprocation”? “Pump-priming” perhaps; but is there any evidence that self-sacrifice by SF (or any other Nationalist group) would be taken as a peace-offering?

    Turgon
    “There is a difficult line to be drawn between supporting the legitimate right to complain about that decision and similar issues of concern and separately supporting loyalist criminals who so enthusiastically jumped onto that bandwagon. ”

    Please explain where the difficulty lies. If anyone cannot detect the difference between rioting and legitimate protest, there has to be an intelligence deficit of considerable scale.

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  29. Reader (profile) says:

    carl marks: It is a reasonable question,
    Asking questions is reasonable. Stalking people and demanding answers isn’t.

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  30. Politico68 (profile) says:

    Morpheus – I get ur assertion and it is theoretically possible and mjh has hit the nail on the head. Alliance would have to be devastated in the elections to pass enough seats over to Unionists. Another issue here is the number of Unionist voters who are no longer with us. The older voting demographic is top heavy Unionist which means thats they lose a couple of thousand votes every year, these lost voters are not being replaced in adequete numbers to fill the gap. in fact, in the under 40 age group natural Unionist voters make up only 38% of the population, the game is up in Belfast for sure.

    Danielsmoran, u have a good point there but its a little bit trickier than u may think. A Nationalist majority will not result in a United Ireland if thats what u were suggesting (begging ur pardon if i have misinterpreted ur post) but…and here is wonderful magic of Unionist political disfunction….the Unionist/Loyalist reaction to a Nationalist Majority could potentially sow the seeds for Unity.

    Robbo, is aware of this I feel. I can see no way that Nationalism in a Political majority will support the status quo regarding, Flags, Symbols, Dublin connection and involvement, Irishness of the North, etc. etc. The british in fairness to them will be open to this new world order and Unionists will be mad as hell. As much as I like to see the hide of any Unionist/Loyalist nailed to the wall I dont relish the thought of civil unrest; but I think its unavoidable unless Respectable Unionism (Dont make me laugh) can get a handle on their angry trash brigade.

    I have a certain amount of admiration for Robbo given his bonkers wife and having to put up with his inbred sectarian morally corrupt fanatic colleagues, plus the fact that he like Adams has managed to leave militancy behind, I suspect, and I might be wrong that just before Robbo hangs up his hat, he will launch an offensive against the dirty rabble that is causing such angst on the streets. he will be lauded for it by some at home and by many abroad, setting himself up nicely for a distinguished retirement.

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  31. gendjinn (profile) says:

    Mick,

    You do it every time he comments. It’s off topic man playing. Now, ball please?

    You mean like how Turgon hounded Billy Pilgrim on every thread he commented on about RUC & Nazis? Same or different?

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  32. carl marks (profile) says:

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    3 December 2013 at 10:13 pm

    carl marks: It is a reasonable question,
    Asking questions is reasonable. Stalking people and demanding answers isn’t.

    It is questioning if the person refuses to answer and reappears in another thread repeating his original statement.
    However as I said an explanation for the difference between words and deeds would settle it.
    All this is irrelevant what is important is that if we are unable to question statements made (repeat questions follow repeat statements) then debate is stifled.
    I will not trouble him again, I think I have got my answer.

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  33. Nevin (profile) says:

    “Methinks it’s time for some tough love all round.” .. tom Kelly

    Peter and Martin may have the power to divvy out the budget allocations but I’d have thought they have limited influence amongst those who exercise or seek to exercise control in local communities. Even a PSNI sergeant and two constables will have little control locally if they are also expected to participate in projects organised by paramilitaries. London and Dublin have gifted us a dubious legacy.

    The Secretary of State has also been briefed about a failed mortar attack in south Armagh but I don’t know whether or not Tom Kelly addressed that in his attack on the Chief Constable.

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  34. streetlegal (profile) says:

    Latest British Intelligence reports focus on continuing volatility within the leadership of both the UVF and the UDA in Belfast. Tentative approaches have been made to Johnny Adair about the possibility of his return to Belfast. Adair now has extensive business interests in England and Scotland and it is understood that he would only be prepared to come back if he is fully accepted as overall commander of both the UVF and UDA in Belfast. The Belfast Desk feel that Adair’s return could be useful as handlers were able to work closely with him in the past.

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  35. tacapall (profile) says:

    “The Secretary of State has also been briefed about a failed mortar attack in south Armagh”

    Nevin if your good self or someone, anyone, including the secretary of state could show the world some evidence of this sophisticated technology being used in this instance in South Armagh. No-one saw any evidence of actual explosive devices nor actual mortars. The only thing we were shown and expected to believe was advanced technology was distant photos of six inch diameter plastic waste pipes painted black and protruding from some trees at different angles. No up close shots of any of the firing mechanisms or the actual bombs.

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  36. Nevin (profile) says:

    The SoS also responded to a query about paramilitary ‘justice’, perhaps a local expression of ‘tough love’:

    I completely agree with my hon. Friend’s condemnation of these brutal attacks. We have seen a number of horrific attacks along these lines: the murder of Kevin Kearney, the attack on Jemma McGrath and, distressingly, an attack on a 15-year-old boy in [Coleraine in] recent weeks. These vigilante attacks are cowardly, ruthless and callous, and they are utterly unacceptable. I know that the PSNI is doing all it can to bring those responsible to justice.

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  37. Politico68[11.52]You were right to cast doubt on whether I was extending the point to infer I expected a nationalist majority to result automatically in a UI. I’m making the point that unionist politicians claim that they only ever wanted A NI in the union and nothing else, whereas we know they really want it to get back to the way it wasd pre 1970 but they know it’s not politic to admit that openly, thereby exposing their sectarian attitudes.They want repartition to that end but realise the Brits won’t give it to them.The future’s definitely not Orange

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