“speed of Sinn Fein’s rejection makes it clear Gerry Adams’ intransigence is still in place…”

Falls to the UUP leader to point out the bleedin’ obvious about SF’s rather hasty presser…

“While we acknowledge the attempt by the DUP to provide fresh impetus to bring the Assembly and Executive back after a considerable hiatus, the speed of Sinn Fein`s rejection makes it abundantly clear that Gerry Adams’ intransigence is still in place – and it is Sinn Fein`s red lines that are bringing real hardship to all the people of Northern Ireland.

“In the meantime the future of our health service and lengthening waiting lists, our children and their education, and our small businesses are at stake. All these issues should trump political ideology.

“If Sinn Fein and the DUP can no longer work together then other alternatives should be explored to ensure that Northern Ireland is governed by Northern Ireland politicians.”

Almost as though they were afraid people might have time to consider the DUP’s proposal on its own merits. [Saints preserve us from all harm! – Ed] Calm down. I’m sure there’s a reasonable explanation for Gerry being so keen to bin his own indigenous deal.

  • Despicable Ulsterman

    Why should those trying to eradicate Northern Ireland be guaranteed a position if “equal” to those not? That is not a recipe for stability. Get over yourself.

  • Toye native

    Well said

  • Georfe Jungle

    “Street signs are permitted in dual language where a majority wish it”

    There was a sign erected outside an Orange Hall in Rathfriland despite local protestations, the council refused to meet local residents, even after it was cut down it was replaced.

    Their mantra of respect and equality is nothing more than a sick joke.

    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/irish-road-signs-being-imposed-on-unionist-areas-1-7855201

  • Dónall

    I’m sorry you feel that way Dan2. However I don’t think things are ever going to be the exact way you want them to be as other people with different aspirations live here too. In fact, they make up almost half the population.

    You stated earlier that you want direct rule but I don’t think that this would pan out well for either nationalists or unionists. In 5 years time a coalition involving the British Labour Party, Lib Dems and SNP could well grant a border poll. Meanwhile direct rule from the Tory/DUP coalition does not suit nationalists. Stormont may be the only show in town.

  • Dan2

    They’re dishonest with their aspiration.
    Irish nationalism knows it won’t have to face the financial reality of what a united Ireland would cost, and is able to indulge its selfish agitation from a comfy secure UK funded existence.

  • MainlandUlsterman

    both areas with low numbers of SDLP or SF councillors.

  • MainlandUlsterman

    I hope that cross-community political co-operation is the future, that’s all

  • Ian Rate

    Hard to disagree with any of this. Well said.

  • Sub

    And your point would be? Newtownabbey council managed to elect a UDA deputy mayor on two occasions despite him being his parties only elected councillor.

  • Stephen Kelly

    Thank you glad to be of service.

  • Stephen Kelly

    Sorry good for you.

  • Stephen Kelly

    Here dan2 you seem to know about the block grant anychance of getting Teresa to up it about say even four billion.

  • Stephen Kelly

    Is there hundreds of thousands of them prepared to vote the way you want them to. I don’t think so.

  • Stephen Kelly

    Good for you but you wanted to live where i grew up and yes let them keep their culture but i want mine shoved right up there along side theirs.

  • Stephen Kelly

    Oh dear us wee Catholics are voting how we want just like the wee protestants oh my. The moral failure was the unionist majority of the north east of Ireland thank you.

  • Dan2

    Spent wisely, by competents, we’d have more than enough already

  • aquifer

    Unionists only need to be that when it comes to a vote on a United Ireland, and until then it could pay them to make sure that Northern Ireland works and works well for everybody without incessant sectarian insult to nationalists. If they want a Union they should actually be voting SDLP to keep the shinners in check, or just vote Alliance. Complicit in Sinn Fein’s analysis, Orange parties are a threat to state security and should be dumped before demographics dumps the Union.

  • Skibo

    Your analysis of unionists voting for the SDLP no longer holds water. That was self evident in the last GE.
    They could vote for the Alliance but past interviews have shown that the Alliance is neutral on the constitutional question and open to negotiations.

  • aquifer

    So Ulster Unionists did not even transfer to the SDLP and Sinn Fein were not kept in check, but now humiliate the overdominant DUP. Happy about that?
    So you agree with SF that the constitutional question is the only political show in town. Congratulations.
    Do you see the problem?

  • MainlandUlsterman

    everyone is responsible for their actions. Are you really suggesting voting UUP or SDLP is exactly the same as voting PUP or SF, in terms of one’s attitude to political violence? I hope not.

  • MainlandUlsterman

    That is terrible

  • Dónall

    I’ve never heard that opinion before Dan2. I think that most
    nationalists believe that a United Ireland would be just as prosperous as any other small european nation and that our dependence on Great Britain, both in the north and south, is curtailing our development as a truly independent nation. Quite the opposite of what you think. That is that, NI’s dependence on Britain leaves no insentive to grow and build the economy and peripheral regions of both states are left underdeveloped, such as Tyrone, Fermanagh, Derry, Donegal, Sligo, Leitrim, and parts of Armagh and Monaghan.

    Northern Ireland in its current form is not going to last forever (no state lasts forever) and people need to start to think about the future and what type of country they want to live in. I think nationalists care just as much as unionists about bread and butter issues and I think that a lot of people on this site are underestimating just how concerned nationalists and people in general are about future border arrangements.

    All that said I think Unionist and Nationalist relations outside of politics are better than they have ever been.

  • Dan2

    How can Ireland ever be a truly independent nation when it’s sold itself entirely to the EU?

  • Barneyt

    you’ve kind of answered it yourself. I dont believe unionism right now wants to share power. From their perspective, there is a difference between ruling this region in a devolved capacity (which did not dillute the union for them) and co-ruling it in a shared capacity. They’d prefer direct rule right now as it cracks the mighty British whip and relegates sinn fein to the status of beligerant bystander. They can now fly the DUP teinted Northern Ireland flag at westmister and colour this region as they see fit. There is noone there to offer an alternative Irish perspective presently. Each day the DUP fail to support something as reasonable as a standalone Irish act, they continue to demonstrate their distain for anything Irish on this island. Direct rule, being lone rangers at westminster and having the ear of the governement is much more attractive to them these days.

  • Alan N/Ards

    Apologies for the late reply, Skibo.

    I appreciate the symbolism of what the Tricolour was supposed to stand for. Unfortunately, republicans, (by their actions down the decades) have made it practically impossible for unionists to ever embrace it as their own.

    Surely, the green and orange are the two most important bits of the flag. So, in the event of a UI, why not remove the white from the flag and have the green and orange side by side with an edging of St. Patrick’s blue. It’s no longer the hated Irish Ticolour (in the eyes of unionists) and it is not as plain as the gold harp. Just a thought.

  • Hugh Davison

    http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/health/sick-elderly-patients-queue-7am-8331968
    Not sure what your point is. Is NI health service going to be as bad as England because of SF?

  • Hugh Davison

    Most Unionists thought they were under threat 105 years ago. After over 100 years of hegemony, they still feel under threat. What is the matter with them?

  • Hugh Davison

    That’s your single transferable comment, keep.

  • Hugh Davison

    Blame it on the bogey man. Gerry, the Pope, Napoleon, whatever.

  • Hugh Davison

    I expect it will be the fault of “the leavers of power” 🙂

  • Hugh Davison

    Tbh, NI is a waste of tens of millions.

  • Hugh Davison

    How does being in the EU curtail a country’s independence?

  • Hugh Davison

    Simon is new to the game. Besides he’s from Cork, which is as far away from here as London.

  • Hugh Davison

    MU, and DUP/UDA? When did nationalist hope die?

  • Hugh Davison

    “Bunging three sprogs for every one prod sprog onto the labour market “. Disgusting. Some things haven’t changed, and probably never will, in unionist attitudes to your neighbours.

  • Hugh Davison

    Are those ‘crocodile tears’ MU? Only geggin’.

  • Hugh Davison

    So the Welsh have devolved rule, the Scottish have devolved rule, but the poor NI unionists would feel safer with direct rule?

  • Hugh Davison

    So, dialogue is not your thing, then?

  • Dan2

    If you need to ask that…

  • Nevin

    The Irish government has its team of civil servants from the departments of foreign affairs and justice in the Irish Secretariat (aka British-Irish Secretariat) in Belfast so they’ll have their finger on the political pulse here. Their new offices are being established in Linenhall Street.

  • The worm!

    Idiot!

  • john millar

    Accuracy a problem for you?

  • Hugh Davison

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5056953/
    Conclusion: Catholics have 4% more kids than protestants.

    Your post remains disgusting.

  • Hugh Davison

    Well? Can you answer?

  • john millar

    Correction
    “Conclusion: Catholics” currently ” have 4% more kids than protestants.”

    Try

    https://www.nisra.gov.uk/publications/1951-census-reports
    https://www.nisra.gov.uk/statistics/2001-and-earlier-censuses/1961-census
    where the figures tell a different story

    “Your post remains disgusting.”

    One section of the community places more burdens on health education -social services -employment- housing than the other?
    Fair ?
    Do the section consuming proportionally more provide the ( proportionally more) more funding for these services?

  • Hugh Davison

    1951 census???
    Do you know what year it is?
    I haven’t heard language like yours since Basil Brookeborough’s time.
    When are you going to start euthanising the halt, the lame and the mentally infirm to reduce the burden on the system?

  • Hugh Davison

    1951 census???
    Do you know what year it is? I haven’t seen language like that since Basil Brookeborough’s time. Your post remains disgusting.

  • john millar

    “1951 census???”

    I invite you to consider the census results from say 1951 on

    When you can dispute my arithmetic you may be able to dispute my conclusions
    Try again

  • Skibo

    Could be a goer. In the event of reunification, I can see a PR company being brought in to resolve flags and emblems.
    I didn’t realise St Patrick was connected to the blue colour.
    As for the issue of Unionism and their feelings for flag that the IRA recognised as their own, you can understand how the Nationalist community have similar feelings for the Union Flag and the flag the Ulster flag that Unionism has chosen as it’s own.

  • Skibo

    Barney I get the impression that Coveney has decided to grow a pair and say in public what I think Dublin has been saying in private for a long time.
    The Irish government has to stand as a co-guarantor and the very fact of standing for Nationalist rights, will embrace them to the Nationalist people and endear the people of the 26 counties to take ownership of the island as a whole.

  • Dónall

    It depends on your attitude towards the EU. I think it is a mixed bag some good things and some bad. However as Britain have shown we could leave the EU if we wanted. It probably suits the 26 counties more to stay there at the moment.