May’s extreme version of Brexit has “forced the Scots into terrible choices…”

This morning’s FT editorial says it all (especially when read beside the Mail’s hysterical “Hands Off Our Brexit”)…

The irony here is that the Tory government has refused to outline exactly what sort of Brexit it wants. A bit like the blind men and the elephant everyone thinks they can define the whole thing by the bits and pieces the government chooses to release to the public. Even the FT. 

It’s also worth reading Janan Ganesh (in the IT)…


Some of us are keeping dry powder for when the real thing kicks off. Two years is a very long time in politics.

  • Bobbell

    I have wondered how much of the DUP opposition to the EU comes from the belief that the whole thing is a Vatican conspiracy.

  • Obelisk

    Overall it’s a dark path though, what we are hoping for is that we can escape before we dragged down with the rest of them.

  • 1729torus

    Don’t forget that the repatriation of Fishing and Agriculture powers from the EU will mean that Scotland will represent itself abroad in future.

  • Karl

    They would also be entitled to 10.3% of the assets. Given that the majority of the UKs wealth is based in London, it would easily exceed 192 billion

  • Karl

    The British government wants to bring the powers back to London not Edinburgh

  • eiregain

    Your “whataboutery” hair trigger makes you sound really bitter. Would it ever be possible for you to have a political discussion?

    “Obviously others did awful things too, but let’s not forget it was mainly republicans”

    Classic!!!

  • BonaparteOCoonassa

    Well, obviously you know better than the UK governments own definition, and obviously any loose usage elsewhere takes precedence over the actual definition, as used in their official site which deals with definitions of the UK.

    Are you this cavalier with other inconvenient facts?

  • BonaparteOCoonassa

    That of course is the desired outcome.

  • MainlandUlsterman

    Are you suggesting it’s not true?

  • MainlandUlsterman

    I am quite bitter about what Republicans have done and the gall with which they avoid responsibility, yes. Most people are.

  • congal claen

    Hi HotDog,
    Perhaps the rise of Adair was “unavoidable”? Or perhaps you shouldn’t pick and choose your terrorists?

  • Tom Smith

    Don’t worry about us unionists we find the odd glimmer of nationalist honesty that appears from behind the “equality” and “respect” facade in its rarity quite refreshing.

  • Tom Smith

    As I as I am often quite shocked by the nonsense that passes for an accepted Irish nationalist worldview.

  • Obelisk

    And that’s equally contemptible. You look for the one person who spreads bile and declare that person the honest one, because it fits in with a pre-conceived mindset and basically says the rest of us are liars.

    I am not a liar.

    But you are pandering to your own prejudice.

  • Tom Smith

    I don’t “look” for them they appear all by themselves.

    Look I understand in the nationalist mindset it is unionists who are the unreconstructed sectarian bigots and thus when a DUP politician or an Orangeman puts her/his foot in their mouth that is merely the natural manifestation of the unionist character.

    Of course when nationalists talk of “bastards”, or “putting manners on unionists”, or like our junk food aficionado above, express base sectarianism they are individuals who can tell an observer nothing of the nationalist community’s true opinions.

  • Obelisk

    You yourself said that you look for the ‘odd glimmer of nationalist honesty’…which can only be taken to mean you don’t find these ‘honest’ individuals very often.

    On the other hand we have video of the DUP faithful chortling along to Gregory Campbell mocking the Irish language at a party conference…

  • Tarlas

    Yes. It was important for the tories, to get the art 50 brexit bill through without any safeguards as proposed by the house of lords. (A bit like Arlene taking the brakes of the RHI train). I think today’s U turn on Nat Ins, came only after they realised, that breaking a manifesto pledge would portray them as not being trustworthy to the plebs; just before the pre-planned T May brexit road show was about to tour the UK, and sell the wonderfully inflated utopian land that a red white and blue brexit would create. Leaving the gate open that when negotiations run onto the rocks, they could crash out blaming those horrid Europeans for not having the same starry eyed vision.

  • MainlandUlsterman

    I’ve been living in England on and off since 1988. Can’t say your comment rings true to me. No unbridgeable cultural gap, just the pleasure of mixing with people from all over.

  • MainlandUlsterman

    We’re a country of 65 million people. You’re going to get some idiots and some people wrapped up in their own region like it’s the only place that matters. Sounds oddly familiar …

  • congal claen

    Hi HotDog,

    Maybe. Maybe not. The point is, you’re accepting of one side of the terrorist divide. But repulsed by the other.

    If the whole of Ireland had been taken out of the UK, the British Isles would have been divided. Why is that OK but division of Ireland wrong? You’re picking and choosing your divisions now as well as your terrorists…