Sure, they’re homophobic bigots, but at least they’re Loyal bigots

A UUP Councillor has inadvertently exposed the dangers presented to political parties when embracing long-term enemies in pursuit of short-term electoral joy.

Doug Beattie, a decorated British Army captain, joined the Ulster Unionist Party in 2014 in a move which was seen as a bit of a coup for the minority party of unionism.

He was subsequently elected as a councillor for the new Armagh, Banbridge and Craigavon District Council.

Last night, Cllr Beattie mounted a defence of the DUP/UUP pact whilst also labelling the DUP as ‘homophobic bigots’ in the same tweet. Impressive, given that he’d only 140 characters to play with.

Today, Beattie has weighed in with a comment on the latest Corner Boy politician Gregory Campbell hates Irish story, slamming the “Pathetic behaviour from DUPs Gregory Campbell MP MLA- any wonder N Ireland can’t be taken seriously.”

Of course, there is no indication that either Gavin Robinson or Nigel Dodds differ in any manner regarding the Irish language from their DUP colleague, yet Doug Beattie as a UUP representative is signed up to endorsing both DUP candidates for the upcoming elections, and to encouraging all UUP voters in those constituencies to vote DUP.

So, the message would appear to be pretty clear: Yes, the DUP are bigots, but they are Loyal bigots, so mark your X accordingly…..

  • Joe_Hoggs

    Social Media does not mix well with idiots.

  • Ian James Parsley

    I think this is a little harsh on Doug, but I take the fundamental point.

    Doug is clearly a progressive. He opposes the Conscience Clause without reservation and accepts that his party has to do much more to reach out to Catholics (and others among the 52% who did not tick Protestant).

    People like Doug are hung out to dry by pacts based on exclusion and exceptionalism, because they always play to the extremes.

    The simple fact is the UUP has endorsed religious zealotry and deliberate discrimination by asking its voters to elect DUP candidates. To anyone outside the UUP (even including prospective lenders of votes to oust extreme candidates elsewhere), this is obvious. To those within the UUP who genuinely oppose the DUP, the outcome is confusion.

    All of which harms the UUP electorally and moves it into the arms of the DUP. Nesbitt is a fool – that’s the main conclusion here.

  • Joe_Hoggs

    Didn’t Alliance stand aside and ask voters to support the UUP?

  • Dan

    You’d think a military man would know ‘loose lips sink ships’

  • james

    Doesn’t seem to mix well with SF generally 🙂

  • Practically_Family

    “Yes, the DUP are bigots, but they are Loyal bigots, so mark your X accordingly…..”

    Yes. Correct. What were you expecting?

  • BetsyGray

    My father used to say that if you put an orange sash on a monkey and do a bit of sectarian tub thumping your sure to be elected. I think we all know what he mean’t……history doth repeat itself…..he being a Protestant and ex-army to boot himself…loyal bigots indeed.

  • barnshee

    Sure they are bombers , murderers of innocents and child abusers

    but they are OUR bombers, murderers of innocents and child abusers

    Get out there and vote

  • Ian James Parsley

    Which is my point. Lady Hermon a homophobic bigot? I think not.

  • Joe_Hoggs

    Yeah, yeah, drone, blah….

  • mickfealty

    He’s also seemingly interacting with a U.S. based troll (an embed would better than a selective screen shot to give us context.

    If there’s a serious point here it is that pacts of the type proposed by the DUP and Sinn Fein invite people to ignore important grievances.

    SF’s stance on child sex abuse would be an analogue to this probably made it easier to reject Martin McGuinness’s kind offer.

    But the real problem is that you weaken you’re own party identity in the process.

  • Colin Lamont

    I truly believe when we look back on the May election, for all the talk about this pact I don’t believe it will have affected the result of any constituency it involved.
    IMO NB and EB were always likely to go DUP, Newry Armagh Sinn Fein and FST likewise. Tom Elliot will not maximise the unionist turnout, barring large scale nationalist apathy and a resurgent SDLP he’s unlikely to win. A good, high profile independent would have seen another close contest but a party candidate not a chance now.

  • Glenn Clare

    The recent high percentage numbers backing Ashes bakers and by extension a conscience clause seems to put Beattie out of step with most of the Northern Ireland public.

  • Reader

    I support gay marriage, I support Ashers, I oppose a conscience clause and I support Beattie.
    I am not sure the dividing lines are exactly where you suppose they are.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    “He’s also seemingly interacting with a U.S. based troll (an embed would better than a selective screen shot to give us context).”

    Do you mean thon ‘Irish Gaels’ fella?

    He referred to BJS and me as something like ‘uber brits’ and ‘imperialists’ (or something along those lines) one time. Terribly amusing…

  • Joe_Hoggs

    I support gay marriage, I support Ashers, I oppose a conscience clause and I oppose Beattie.

  • banana man

    Why bring SF into it? but since you did, Gerry Adams most followed Irish politican on twitter, last I seen SF had about 5 of the top 10 to be exact. SF official twitter and facebook pages also most supported on the Island

  • Glenn Clare

    I support gay marriage, I support Ashers, I support a conscience clause and I oppose Beattie.

  • mickfealty

    Yep. The main criticism I would have of the councillor is responding to the racialist provocation of someone he doesn’t know and who goes to some lengths to keep his identity concealed…

    Clearly, some conversations are not worth having. Personally I’d be very cautious in drawing any serious inference from what amounts to a Twitter troll sting..

  • Sir Rantsalot

    I think that’s because the chuckie mentality is to always ‘talk up’ SF and particularly it’s leaders. Seen on slugger to ridiculous levels every day ? So they see following on twitter ‘a duty’ to try and make SF seem important.
    Supporters of other parties see the chuckie drone as a bit of a moron. …

  • mickfealty

    I’d add that under a liberal east based leader the party is now in danger of both wasting what’s left of that liberal base, and in the process losing the vestigial advantage they had in the border areas.

    Tom will turn up the nationalist volume because of his minor intemperances of the past: refusing to go to GAA matches (at a time when the DUP will); and that shout of ‘scum’. He meant the Shinners in the hall, but what Catholic voters heard out in TVLand was them.

    Two of nothing for half of something I saw Tom Kelly say on Facebook. JUst about right. And now this kind of cheap baiting from a party that cannot see itself square on its own child protection rules.

  • james

    Four legs good, two legs bad.

  • Chingford Man

    How is asking voters to support DUP candidates in FPTP so very different from asking them to vote down the ticket for unionists in PR-STV?

    Of course, the UUP was also previously happy to make a pact with a party riddled with PC bigotry, which discriminated against social conservatives such as Adrian Watson and which nominated you as a candidate in your sojourn from Alliance.

  • mac tire

    “high percentage numbers backing Ashes bakers and by extension a conscience clause…”
    Care to elaborate?

  • barnshee

    I suggest “bigots” are preferable to murderers— unless of course they fit both desctiptions

  • Glenn Clare
  • mac tire

    “The survey was carried out by ComRes and commissioned by the Christian Institute, which is supporting Ashers bakery in the ‘gay cake’dispute.

    The research consultancy firm spoke to 1,000 adults across Northern Ireland between March 10-15, 2015.

    The participants, who were all over 18, were asked a number of questions over the phone, and the results recorded.

    It is not clear where the adults who took part are from, as no geographical breakdown was available.”

    Christian Institute commissioned it. It’s like An Phoblacht commissioning a poll about Irish unity.

    1,000 adults – out of a population of?

    Phone? Landline or mobile? These things matter.

    No geographical breakdown available. Hmmm, interesting.

    How you then extrapolate that this would also extend to support for a conscience clause is beyond me.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    I imagine it’s a sign of his relative novice, he may still care about each and every criticism, when you get to the level of Robinson/Adams the criticisms from mortals may not be so pressing.

    I do it too.

    Because no one knows me.
    And I’m bitter.
    And lonely.
    So vewy rrron-reee..

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Mick, what do you mean when you say ‘twitter troll sting’?

  • submariner

    And just who do you think the DUP are standing shoulder to shoulder with up at Twaddell the still very active terrorist of the UVF and UDA.

  • Cue Bono

    Your father’s analogy doesn’t stand up very well in west Belfast. There you need to put a black beret and a pair of sunglasses on the monkey.

  • Cue Bono

    There are no murderers in the DUP, Submariner. The party that tops the poll in nationalist areas cannot make the same boast.

  • barnshee

    oh dear

  • Glenn Clare

    So all opinion polls are not worth a croc of do do them.

  • mac tire

    No, not all, Glenn. I’m merely pointing out that this particular poll can be criticised for a number of reasons.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Indeed, mac tire! As you are pointing out here, opinion polls can be constructed to herd the participant into any answer they wish! Of course there are polls that are constructed to be as neutral as possible in order to elicit reasonably accurate information for a genuinely concerned customer, but in this case…….

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Ditto, Betsy, on all counts! My own grandfather (both C of I and decorated ex service) actually pointed out some of the actual monkeys for me when I was little in the 1950s! He knew them socially if distantly.

  • WindsorRocker

    But she was a unionist and Alliance are not Unionist.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Ah, CB, both lots are still simians! It would be rather fun to have a few genuinely “human” politicians with even just a smidgen of moral probity and some public spiritness regarding the whole community just for a change……