Running out of tricks?

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By very kind permission of Niall O’Loughlin

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  • Joe_Hoggs

    No doubt Gerry will be tweeting tonight about how his dog always predicts the correct scores for the Saturday football fixtures to present himself as the loveable but slightly doting elderly man that he isn’t.

  • Jay

    Making rape into satire. Nice!

  • Joe_Hoggs

    It’s making a valid point that when such cases arise Gerry uses bizarre means usually in the form of tweets to deflect attention, now that is “Nice”.

  • Jay

    I’m sure Paudie will be joyed people are drawing caricatures of him. His trauma, is already being used to get at Gerry. Tell me this if I drew a cartoon of soldiers marching into Kincora with their trousers down would it be posted? Your all sickos, using rape for your own political gains. Nice!

  • Practically_Family

    The elections will determine whether he has or not.

    I’m leaning towards the “not”.

  • Jay

    Your already on the bandwagon. The programme only aired last night and people are already excited about comedic tweets. Christ, some people are obsessed, obsessed with a man they hate. I don’t understand it at all.

  • Cue Bono

    I would be fairy confident that the only people Paudie sees as sickos are the republicans directly involved, and the ones who are trying to deflect attention away from Adams with pathetic whataboutery.

  • Jay

    Oh no Cue, not at all. Keep all the attention on Adams. Don’t worry about whatca-ma-call him!

  • Sergiogiorgio

    Why worry about rape victims when you get the excuse to have a pop at Gerry/SF? Sure everyone else is whiter than white…..

  • Jay

    Look at the drawing. Gerry Adams takes up more visual space than the two victims. What’s that tell you about the artists subconscious?

  • Sergiogiorgio

    Not a thing but I’m worried you are about to tell me….

  • Tacapall

    Honest question. Were the two victims above asked if they would be offended by the above appearing on a political website to be used as a tool to humour. The other side of the coin would be victims of collusion and the magician would be the British government but I suppose there would be nothing politically to be gained from treating all victims equally.

  • Jay

    Adams is the prominent figure. The others are the background characters. I shouldn’t have to explain that. Its right in front of you.

  • Cue Bono

    Adams leads the whole rotten cabal. He is the Archbishop in charge of trying to make it all go away.

  • Cue Bono

    Adams is also the prominent figure in real life. He had the others well hidden in the background until now.

  • Jay

    I know. We’re doing a good job of keeping it that way.

  • Jay

    This is my problem. If Adams resigns tomorrow, all these issues leave with him. The pawns are useless without a King to mate.

  • Granni Trixie

    A good example of ‘a picture/cartoon speaks louder than a thousand words’?

  • Cue Bono

    Just the opposite. They are front and centre now and they aren’t going away.

  • Cue Bono

    If Adams resigns tomorrow his successor will still have to deal with the perverts in the ranks of the republican movement, and the cover up of their activities. It is not all about Adams. He just happens to be the man who has been in charge throughout all of this.

  • kalista63

    Looks like the cartoon is saying, sod the disabled and the vunerable, shinner bashing is more important.

  • Cue Bono

    The cartoon is saying sod Sinn fein. The vulnerable victims of their abuse haven’t gone away you know. Nor will they.

  • chrisjones2

    Are you implying that the victims arent?

  • chrisjones2

    that he was ,making a point about Gerry …why shouldnt he. Its not an equal contest

  • chrisjones2

    …and others still are. BTW has SF handed over any of the rapists yet – as opposed to offering to disappear them

  • chrisjones2

    You mean collusion with republicans in covering up murder? crimes? tax evasion? OTRs? RPMs?

  • chrisjones2

    …while trampolining, downing a pint of Guinness and reciting the Rosary

  • chrisjones2

    satirising the hypocrisy of those how covered up rape

  • chrisjones2

    Your all sickos, using rape for your own political gains. Nice!

    And what pray did SF use the coverup of rape for?

  • chrisjones2

    …and that says more about SF voters doesnt it. But if they can stomach that, its up to them

  • chrisjones2

    let me explain ……2000 dead later ………………….

  • Jay

    Coverup? They offered to kill the man. That’s real justice for rapists!

  • kalista63

    Did you watch the programmes?

    Have Sinn Fein said either weren’t victims? Given the histories of governments on both islands, the Shinners came out as super heros last night.

  • james

    I think it tells us much, much more about yours.

  • Catcher in the Rye

    It’s so irritating that people have the teremity to draw attention to what appears to be a systemic culture of child abuse cover up in Sinn Féin.

  • kalista63

    Imagine a GB paper doing a Brooks/Coulson/Minnie Dowler cartoon.

  • Catcher in the Rye

    Millie Dowler is dead.

    The victims of IRA child abuse are alive and are demanding justice from Sinn Féin; specifically that they stop lying and stop obstructing police investigations.

    I’m not sure what your agenda is, but you certainly don’t seem concerned about the possibility that a party with declared objectives to lead government in Ireland has been implicated in several serious sexual abuse allegations. That’s a shame.

  • Jay

    Yip. Its all about Gerry.

  • Jay

    Explain

  • The Firemen

    Honest answer: I asked Mairia and she was not remotely offended. You should research satire before commenting in future.

  • The Firemen

    Aye those rape victims – how dare they get in the way of Gerry Adams. They are a disgrace.

  • The Firemen

    That he is talented?

  • The Firemen

    An interesting interpretation. I really do despair of some people.

  • The Firemen

    Horrible isn’t it? Satire: what a F**ker.

  • Jay

    The entire picture reads like a joke. The set up followed by the punch line. I’m glad you find rape such a funny subject

  • The Firemen

    Please feel free to submit such a ‘cartoon’ and while you’re at it provide some footage of victims claiming soldiers were “marching into Kincora with their trousers down”. Kincora and all other instances of institutional abuse are abhorrent. The issue is that Sinn Fein are systematically denying that any of their own could have been part of such a thing.

  • james

    It seems he looms much larger than the victims in your imagination as well – almost obscuring the many skeletons in the closet.

  • The Firemen

    There are sick and depraved individuals in many organisations. No one would deny that. The difference is that Sinn Fein not only denied that such individuals existed within their ranks but systematically tried to cover this up but also moved them to other places where they could continue their crimes (allegedly).

  • The Firemen

    ” whether he has or not” – what the hell does that mean? Please explain.

  • The Firemen

    It’s shocking isn’t it? How dare people ask questions of an organisation that may (or may not) have covered up rape and moved sex abusers elsewhere within Ireland (or elsewhere) to continue their crimes. How dare anyone suggest such a thing based purely on eyewitness testimony and documented evidence.

  • Jay

    So its not about the rape, its about SF. I’ve been saying this all night. I don’t know why I’m being met with such hostility.
    Regards Kincora, it has been claimed British military were involved. So just like Gerry has a wee rabbit in the above picture, I’ll draw my soldiers with there pants down. Will you post it?

  • Jay

    Don’t know how you came to that conclusion. I was using the composition of the drawing as a bases for my claim. Often that can be just as interesting as the subject matter itself.

  • mac tire

    What happened Paudie McGahon is disguting and wrong. I hope the perpetrator is caught, charged and sentenced. That will probably be a relief to him considering his earlier “sentence”.

    However, The Irish Times has an interesting piece. It begins: “Allegations by Co. Louth man Paudie McGahon that he was raped by a member of the IRA as a
    teenager, and then threatened he would be murdered if told anybody, were
    widely reported by the media last year.”

    Last year. We know that because Micheal Martin mentioned it in the Dáil (without names).

    “Mr McGahon was not named in the reports at the time and, while they were
    carried in a large number of media outlets, they were overshadowed by
    similar allegations made by Belfast woman Mairia Cahill. Some of the media outlets that reported the claims as “new” or “fresh” in the past 48 hours described them in the same terms last year.”

    So we are not on new ground here.” [ED: Many knew something was to come] (Sorry, had to try this new fangled thing of “ED-ing” your own comments; it is fun – but silly).

    “…While the allegations are not new, Spotlight’s interview of Mr McGahon represented the first time he was named and identified.” [ED: still Spotlight presented them as new] (God this ED stuff is great).

    “He was expelled from the North after the 2002 internal IRA inquiry and,
    while he spent time in the Republic, he is now believed to have left the
    island of Ireland and is hiding in Britain. Security sources said the fact he was abroad would complicate the criminal inquiry now underway.”

    So he is NOT in Ireland, as claimed in Spotlight (unless the interviews were taken months ago).

    “…Formal statements of complaint were made to the Garda in Louth last December and a criminal investigation commenced.”

    That would be December 2014. 5 years after SF told him, and offered to accompany him, to An Garda.”

    5 years after Martin, leader of FF, advised it.

    “If the DPP recommends criminal charges against the suspect named by Mr McGahon, the suspect could be extradited to the Republic.

    However, he cannot be extradited just to be questioned.”

    According to Spotlight, the IRA would have had this abuser back in Ireland long ago. [ED: Wouldn’t we all?]

    Question is, why did Spotlight wait so long to release this material, if it was known so long ago? Staggering?

  • Glenn Clare

    The shinners / provos have supported every republican victim now you are critical of their sex abuse victims wanting their story told and the help and inquiries that the shinners / provos demand of others. Hypocrisy of the highest order.

  • chrisjones2

    he is the embodiment of his party …its history culture and values……. a sort of dark Virgin Mary for the cult

  • chrisjones2

    ….well not as bad perhaps as 1 doing rape 2 covering it up 3 perverting the course of justice

  • chrisjones2

    remind me what Francie Molloy said on a SF tweet?

  • chrisjones2

    imagine a political party that systematically helped organise the cover up of rape after rape daring to stand candidates for office

  • Tacapall

    Thanks for the reply and the advice. Im sure Mairia wasn’t remotely offended, why would she, fair play to her she’s now getting the proper attention she deserves. I know her and her family and her rapist and I have no doubt in my mind what happened to her happened, but like I said, there’s lots of victims in this part of the world and lots and lots of them, unlike Mairia, cannot speak for themselves. Satire is a good way to highlight injustices or it can be used as a tool to demonise, like Charlie hebdo, Gerry Adams deserves every satirical slap in the face he gets and you wont find me defending him but so do others and its about time someone other than the above and his party started focusing attention on the box of distractions being used to pull the wool over the eyes of the public too.

  • Sergiogiorgio

    Chris, Catcher and Firemen – you misunderstand me. My issue is with Unionists leveraging rape victims for their own political ends. They (Unionists) and I’m generalising to the commentators on this site don’t give a tinkers cuss for rape victims, they just love the opportunity to have a go at SF. I’ve no issue with SF bashing but its a sad state of affairs when this takes the form of political opportunism at the expense of victims of sexual abuse. The whiter than white comment related to proven sexual abuse by certain DUP members and the likes of the Kincora state cover up……and this is not to justify SF’s position by any means.

  • Joe_Hoggs

    You feel that all of Sinn Fein should be attacked rather than just Gerrard?

  • Tacapall

    Should all of the Orange institutions be attacked for the actions of the minority, should all Tory politicians be attacked for the actions of its minority, should all DUP politicians be attacked for the actions of the minority who engineered the birth of Ulster Resistance, should a baby conceived through rape be responsible for the actions of the father.

  • Joe_Hoggs

    All of the Orange is attacked for the actions of the minority as are the DUP. To be quite frank if either the Orange, DUP, UUP etc were found to be covering for pedophiles and rapists etc they would be finished in the morning, why the hell is it a different story for Sinn Fein who will probably get more votes??

  • Tacapall

    Everyone attacks all of the Orange institutions and the DUP/UUP for the actions of the minority of its members ! Now your just being ridiculous Joe, are you not the same man who defends the Orange institutions exactly on the basis that the actions of the few should not be used as a rod to beat everyone in the Orange institutions ? Anyhoo’s why do you think Baron Molyneaux of Killead took his suspicions about the murder of Robert Bradford to the grave rather than making public what he suspected. Every political party around from the formation of this state and conflict has skeletons in the cupboard none of them hold the moral high ground but obviously some of their supporters believe they do.

  • Joe_Hoggs

    Enlighten me regarding Molyneaux and Robert Bradford. I’m genuinely interested.

  • Niall Noígíallach

    And likewise we despair of you Fireman Sam

  • Tacapall
  • Joe_Hoggs

    Not much to go on in that link to be honest.

  • Tacapall

    “Weeks before his murder, Robert Bradford confided in a Conservative Party member that he had concerns about activity in East Belfast – what exactly, he never said. Over 30 years later, senior Unionist figures including local Member of Parliament (MP) Jeffrey Donaldson and former
    Ulster Unionist Party leader Jim Molyneaux, have expressed suspicion about the murder”

    Not much even in the above, you could hardly have missed it, its right at the start and what about the revelation by an eyewitness to the murder who fingered British agent Freddie Scapattchi as the trigger man or would the words of this ex RUC special branch officer sway you –

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/mp-could-have-been-saved-28400493.html

    “But they shouldn’t have been too late. They (the RUC) knew for three f*****g days what was going to happen, but there was no operation put in place around the IRA team as they set off from Andersonstown, there was no operation put in place around Mr Bradford or his home on the Malone Road, and the operation for the community centre was still leaving the station when the murders took place.

  • Granni Trixie

    Tac

    Incase you don’t know: one can and does with validity blame the OO for wrongdoing by individuals because it operates an exclusive and sectarian system (and it will always be wrong footed as long as it has rules such as forbidding members to attend Catholic funerals.).

    Remember for example how individual burnt down a family’s house and killed Michael mcGoldrick in an atmosphere polluted by Druncree?

    Similarly, you are entitled to blame the iras culture of silence and intimidation as fostering a climate in which abuse victims were subject to coverup. Another key consideration relates to policing – people knew they risked death or torture should they report to police – the ra set up their own ineffective ‘justice’/police system. It was no surprise therefore when they eventually conceded this to support the Psni.

  • MainlandUlsterman

    serious sexual abuse allegations, ironically, is the least of it for SF. That should tell you something too. Amazing how people can be so wilfully blind towards them. Or perhaps not – Daniel Goldhagen’s “Hitler’s Willing Executioners” captured the mindset of how people can know about awful stuff done by a party and go along with it, without ever really judging either the party or themselves.

  • John Collins

    I despise Sinn Fein with a passion for all their lies, u-turns and manipulations. However it is unbelievable what politicians get away with. In the Republic the response of both Fianna Fail and Fine Gael led Governments to the plight of Louisa O’Keeffe where their absurd approach to her situation was shown up by the European Court, who rightly condemned the way the Irish State dealt with her case. However no politician of any hue has appeared to be held to account for this

  • Reader

    It looks like you and your up-voter (kalista63) approve of the death penalty for rapists. The actual vicitms, being better people, did not. That seriously limited their options for redress, didn’t it?
    And it does look like the IRA were on safe ground in offering to shoot one of their own, as such an offer has never been taken up.
    But let’s try a bit of real cynicism – maybe the victims were not just humane, but also wise, not to push the Provos too far.

  • MainlandUlsterman

    what’s this thread got to do with the OO? I thought it was about SF’s diversionary tactics?

  • Granni Trixie

    I am answering the point above concerning “do you blame the OO for what individual members do”?

  • Spike

    it depends what side of the fence you are on. some people only want to comment on the neighbours, not their own. i hope all the commentators on this page have contributed in sensible debate to the Kincora, Mairia Cahill and Louise O’Keefe forums. Lets not lose sight of the alleged victim, their angst and how to to administer justice to the alleged perpetrator.

  • MainlandUlsterman

    ah OK – I joined in late