Quintin Oliver: “a delicious irony if Scotland were now given welfare & it were taken away from us” #indyref #fallout

On Friday morning I spoke to Better Together campaign insider Quintin Oliver – a veteran of referenda – and asked him about the result and the implications for Northern Ireland. Like me he hadn’t bothered to stay up all night to watch the slow process of declarations but instead got up early to catch the later stages that would be most significant.

Quintin’s prediction of 55/45 came true. He said that the post-referendum talks on devolution with the UK beginning “on Monday” are an opportunity for both political leaders and civic society “to get back to the principles of the Belfast Agreement” and spring out of the current gridlock. But is Northern Ireland ready?

indyref stratagem breakfast 3 Is Northern Ireland ready to work with Wales? Can we use our “special skills in making complicated sense of difficult problems”?

It would be a delicious irony if Scotland were now given welfare and it were taken away from us, that would be embarrassing for Northern Ireland.

Quintin identified some tax raising powers that could be attractive for politicians up on the hill:

… stamp duty to help regulate and raise money from the housing market, inheritance tax, the Crown Estate.

These bite size chunks might be workable for the NI Executive. But he suggested that NI had been distracted by the Haass talks and not preparing for future devolution and building alliances with other regions.

indyref stratagem breakfast 1Asked whether the one poll that put Yes in front of No was “rogue”, Quintin said that “as a campaigner that was very useful, it concentrated minds, it gave an electric shock to any complacency that might have been from the consistent 60/40 polling in favour of no”. He suggested that pollsters would now be looking carefully at the data and results. Perhaps it did truly indicate the Yes campaign peaking with a surge in progress that was stopped when potential Yes voters thought more carefully and worked out the battle between heart and head.

The Scottish Independence referendum is unlikely to Quintin’s last. He’s looking forward to the possibility of another crack at Cyrus two state federation/reunification (65% of Turkish Cypriots approved, but 76% of Greek Cypriots rejected). However, the thought of a Europe in/out referendum “doesn’t fill me with great delight”.

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Whether Northern Ireland can contribute positively to the post-independence referendum talks and discussions remains to be seen. With the focus on devolving corporation tax above all else, along with the cloud of welfare reform, I’ve yet to see evidence that the First and deputy First Ministers and their parties could collectively bargain for innovative solutions.

Malachi O’Doherty offered his opinion on the independence poll and contrasts the differences between Irish and Scottish nationalism in the Belfast Telegraph, and reproduces his comments on his blog. Worth a read.

Alan Meban. Normally to be found blogging over at Alan in Belfast where you’ll find an irregular set of postings, weaving an intricate pattern around a diverse set of subjects. Comment on cinema, books, technology and the occasional rant about life. On Slugger, the posts will mainly be about political events and processes. Tweets as @alaninbelfast.

  • Mister_Joe

    If Salmond is correct that the Westminster parties are starting to renege on their “No” promises, I don’t think a second referendum will be long in coming. It would certainly be justified. Scotland now knows how to arrange one and it would be impossible to stop them conducting one even if Westminster doesn’t agree.

  • Starviking

    Isn’t it a bit early for accusations of bad faith to be thrown around? Constitutional matters should take time – or we’ll get slap-dash measures that work badly. We also live in a democracy, so this should get the widest input that it possibly can.

    I suggest that if things are not sorted out by the 24th of March 2016, Salmond’s suggested independence date, that questions should be asked.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Isn’t it a bit early for accusations of “good faith” to be thrown around? Constitutional matters should take time – or we’ll get measures taken that may even work out badly for the political status quo. We also live in a democracy, so this should get the widest input that it possibly can, just as long as it does not actually begin favour those who will actually be affected by any decision.

    I suggest that someone should make it clear to those importunate Scots that anything said in the heat of panic actually requires long serious consideration before any binding decision can be made, and note that caution has allowed us to use the period of three hundred and seven years between the Act of Union of 1707 and this present year to fully consider the implications of permitting the Scots people the great favour of an Independence vote……